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[NEWS]Nintendo DS on Android

I couldn't help posting this because i became happy when i read it...
Tiger Lab apps(nds demo emulator)
[Only open for limited days]
1. VERY EARLY PROTOTYPE VERSION(BETA) FOR DEMO ONLY
2. It is very very slow so you shall not expect to play NDS game with this emulator.
3. It is used to DEMO that NDS game can be played on android phone
It is shown that NDS WILL be played some days on android phone, maybe 2012 or later
WHAT IS NEXT WORK (Huge efforts)
1. More powerful phones
2. Dynarec CPU simulation
3. GPU simualtion improvement for speed greatly.
4. Hareware render (eg, OpenGL ES)
5. FPU. Since NDS need lots of float calculation. FPU can improvement performance greatly. Later ARM will have FPU in feature
If you do not have a high-end phone, do not try NDS game. Even if you have a high-end phone, just try some small games(none 3D) but it is also quite slow.
How to demo (not play) NDS game
1. Put your nds ROM files to /roms/nds folder in sdcard.
Note. zip nds rom is not supported, you shall extract them to be *.nds files
2. Launch TigerNDS which will load those NDS roms in game list
3. Select one game and play
It is just DEMO and speed is very very very very slow even on high-end phones. You shall not expect to play nds game with the emulator.
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SOurce: http://www.appbrain.com/app/tiger-lab-(nds-demo-emulator)/com.tiger.demo.nds

Its amazing what a skilled developer can make and pretty soon I'm sure we'll see a app for everything and this is just one more off the list. I can't wait to see how they manage using both screens but im sure it'll be awesome!
Good job devs! Keep it up!
-D3luSi0n4L

Might work well for the Kyocera Echo

This looks promising!

I know it's just a proof of concept currently, but why are they saying it would need new devices to run well? It seems like, since the DS and our devices are both ARM based, with some obvious modifications to run arm code natively and not emulated, you could get it running pretty well. At least that's what I had gathered from previous discussions about it.

JesusFreak316 said:
I know it's just a proof of concept currently, but why are they saying it would need new devices to run well? It seems like, since the DS and our devices are both ARM based, with some obvious modifications to run arm code natively and not emulated, you could get it running pretty well. At least that's what I had gathered from previous discussions about it.
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In order to emulate a nintendo DS your phone needs to have twice the power. But to be honest I never thought the DS was too powerful... So I bet once the emulator is out of alpha it should run fine on a galaxy S. But who knows were still waiting for Zodttd to finish the N64 emulator

Wow! This would be awesome!! I miss Mario Bros on my phone

I tried on HD2, and yes is very very very slow, but it works.

maxohkc said:
In order to emulate a nintendo DS your phone needs to have twice the power. But to be honest I never thought the DS was too powerful... So I bet once the emulator is out of alpha it should run fine on a galaxy S. But who knows were still waiting for Zodttd to finish the N64 emulator
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Of course, I am familiar with emulators and how, as a rule of thumb, your device should be 10 times more powerful to expect any sort of decent emulation. I'm just saying, maybe they can avoid emulating certain things and run native ARM DS code natively, vastly speeding it up. It would be REALLY hard though, requiring vast knowledge of ARM assembly from what I've heard. Meh, Zodttd. He should stick to iPhone imo. Android will probably get some decent open source emulators soon enough.

maxohkc said:
In order to emulate a nintendo DS your phone needs to have twice the power. But to be honest I never thought the DS was too powerful... So I bet once the emulator is out of alpha it should run fine on a galaxy S. But who knows were still waiting for Zodttd to finish the N64 emulator
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decent emulation takes about 5-10 times the power to emulate
and ive heard that emulating the DS is extremely difficult
as for zod i honestly doubt he is still working on that project paul seems to be the one that is on top of the project now

I'll try it out with my Atrix tonight, maybe post a youtube video. Is there a standard game we are using?

I've been trying to run a .nds file on this. The ROM is Pokemon Platinum (128mb). It's on /roms/nds and shows up in the app, however when I click on it it flashes to a black screen then goes back to the rom selection screen.

Fehnix22 said:
Might work well for the Kyocera Echo
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LOL!!!! That's hilarious! But that might be true too.

Sighh..
I remember the time when psp can emulate ds rom even though the frame rate per second was really low! (Average 17fps!)

I stopped using handhelds after the Gameboy Advance.. besides, it feels like all these games are the same rehash with little story change and somewhat better graphics.. there doesn't seem to be any new creative things being done in the handheld market.. so I say why bother killing your phone trying to emulate the NDS..
with that in mind, we are looking at quad-core phones by the end of 2012 for SURE, and dual-core by fall 2011 I hope, so just wait a few more months haha.
my bigger concern about emulation and games on the Android is multitouch.. even my Desire on 2.3.3 (CM7) has issues where multitouch fails, rendering even most old games unplayable (how the hell can I run and jump in Mario at the same time like the real gamepad allows.. if we wanna improve the quality of gameplay on our phones, we should push the manufacturers for better hardware that'll allow coders to provide for better multitouch capability.
just my 2 cents..

I wouldn't worry about that, bluetooth gamepads are on the way.
I use a Wiimote with classic controller for emulators at the moment.

NDS emulation can be slow even on PC, so don't expect phones to run games playable

alienhunt: more like spring 2011 for dual core.
i'll be getting a tegra2 phone in the mail next week.

If you do not have a high-end phone, do not try NDS game. Even if you have a high-end phone, just try some small games(none 3D) but it is also quite slow.
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Can somebody make better explanation? How high end should devices be? Would current devices (Desire, Galaxy S) be enough or do we need to wait for dual core?
Bluetooth gamepads are nice, but i think they are more like "i can do that" than really being usable. Games on the phones are meant to be played anywhere. And i don't want to carry a wiimote around with me just to play games on my phone.
I have tried several emulators on my HD2 and games are quite playable despite HD2's limit of maximum 2 touch points. Biggest problem is the feedback of the controls. You cannot feel controls, which means you can easily miss it.
I think best on screen controls would be ones that are fully customizable. Ability to move and resize controls to match your device, finger size and playing position would be killer feature.

matejdro said:
Can somebody make better explanation? How high end should devices be? Would current devices (Desire, Galaxy S) be enough or do we need to wait for dual core?
Bluetooth gamepads are nice, but i think they are more like "i can do that" than really being usable. Games on the phones are meant to be played anywhere. And i don't want to carry a wiimote around with me just to play games on my phone.
I have tried several emulators on my HD2 and games are quite playable despite HD2's limit of maximum 2 touch points. Biggest problem is the feedback of the controls. You cannot feel controls, which means you can easily miss it.
I think best on screen controls would be ones that are fully customizable. Ability to move and resize controls to match your device, finger size and playing position would be killer feature.
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I have a Desire, the DS games run with 3 - 7 FPS...it's ok for "100 Classic Book Collection" and thats it.

[News] GTA III Releasing on 15th Dec, Xperia Play not on the release list! =(

Rockstar Games just updated their facebook post with the release info of GTA III but unfortunately Xperia Play is not on the supported device list.
Check website post http://www.rockstargames.com/newswi...year-anniversary-edition-coming-to-mobil.html

The ONLY phone it will be fun to play on, imo. Wonder if they are having trouble with the power of our phone? If so, I wonder how much an OC'd Play would help. It seems that list is filled with very powerful single core devices, and dual core only.

All supported devices are Tegra 2 or 3, apparently.

This dual-core only **** is the most stupid crap i ever heared. This does not have better grafics that shadowgun wich runs completly lagfree on the xperia play. Also it runs on iphone 4 and the Xplay has better hardware that the iphone 4, and the ultra low power gpu in tegra 2 (yes it is called ultra low power^^) is not really better than our adreno205. But for now i dont care anyway becouse my hand is broken so i cant play (look at signature)
One more thing. Here are the orgininal recomended specs of gta3:
CPU: 800 MHz
RAM: 128 MB
GPU with 32 MB RAM
The Xperia Play passes that easily. But maybe this is not compareable to the Android Version.

IE-coRe said:
This dual-core only **** is the most stupid crap i ever heared. This does not have better grafics that shadowgun wich runs completly lagfree on the xperia play. Also it runs on iphone 4 and the Xplay has better hardware that the iphone 4, and the ultra low power gpu in tegra 2 (yes it is called ultra low power^^) is not really better than our adreno205. But for now i dont care anyway becouse my hand is broken so i cant play (look at signature)
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For starters the iphone 4 is also.a dual core device, the gpu in the tegra II is called ultra low power because it uses less power to run (batteries) than other GPU's not because it's less powerfull.
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AndroHero said:
For starters the iphone 4 is also.a dual core device, the gpu in the tegra II is called ultra low power because it uses less power to run (batteries) than other GPU's not because it's less powerfull.
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The Iphone 4 is definetly not dualcore. It has a Singelcore Samsung CPU with 1 Ghz and a PowerVR SGX535. And about tegra 2 yes i know that is the real mening of the name but it actually is less powerfull than other gpu's Or not more powerfull than gpu's of singelcore devices if you want it that way.

have they said anything about button mapping for bluetooth pads maybe we could use chainfire 3d if tegra. Just like could use play controls on riptide before play version.

poo-tang said:
have they said anything about button mapping for bluetooth pads maybe we could use chainfire 3d if tegra. Just like could use play controls on riptide before play version.
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no info about pads yet. yes we could use chainfire 3d somehow but wish to play it with the gamepad of course.

iPad 2 for me then

Would prefer Chinatown Wars than III as it was far superior IMO. Confident XP will be on the next devices released although R* haven't expressed much support for the play yet. Have sent them tonnes of tweets asking for Chinatown Wars!

I can't believe they added the iPhone 4 to the list but not the Xperia Play, a phone that can easily keep up to the iPhone.
Seriously, what were they thinking???

aros2k said:
Would prefer Chinatown Wars than III as it was far superior IMO. Confident XP will be on the next devices released although R* haven't expressed much support for the play yet. Have sent them tonnes of tweets asking for Chinatown Wars!
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This must be a joke? CHINATOWN WARS is probably the worst GTA game of all time.
Please tell me you were joking.

speedyink said:
I can't believe they added the iPhone 4 to the list but not the Xperia Play, a phone that can easily keep up to the iPhone.
Seriously, what were they thinking???
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even for iPod touch. hate that tiny screen

RacecarBMW said:
This must be a joke? CHINATOWN WARS is probably the worst GTA game of all time.
Please tell me you were joking.
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Are You joking? Chinatown Wars is awesome, i played it on the nintendo ds and i loved it. Since the iphone has GTA Chinatown wars i think it could be ported if rockstar would listen to us...

Been looking forward to this.

i wonder when and which version
http://www.xperiablog.net/2011/10/15/grand-theft-auto-heading-to-xperia-play/

As a former owner of an iPod, iPhone and iPad, I fear the game will seriously blow on the small-screen iDevices.
Seriously, 3.5-inch screen + touch-screen controls and your fingers blocking one third of the screen? What a pleasurable experience... NOT.
I would like to try the iPad version though, the on-screen controls are not that much a problem there because of the big screen. Anyway, I suspect they WILL port the game to Xperia Play sooner or later, I mean why not when the device is MADE to play these kinds of games? Some graphical compromises will probably have to be made though.

This is such a pain! :/ Hoping someone will upload an apk somewhere, I reckon Rockstar have lost alot of money here. If the iPhone 4 can run it the PLAY can easily.
The PLAY has so much potential but it seems to be being mostly ignored by major developers >.> I reckon Sony will bring out a dual-core version soon.
Oh, and hello xda-developers.

Malicious_H said:
This is such a pain! :/ Hoping someone will upload an apk somewhere, I reckon Rockstar have lost alot of money here. If the iPhone 4 can run it the PLAY can easily.
The PLAY has so much potential but it seems to be being mostly ignored by major developers >.> I reckon Sony will bring out a dual-core version soon.
Oh, and hello xda-developers.
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There has been absolutely nothing to indicate they will.
EA has been putting out exclusive titles for the Play (and giving them away for free), There are other devs that have Play exclusives as well. Its not being ignored at all.
Its ONE game... bfd....

I believe Rockstar said somehwere that it is not the final list of the phones.

NDS4Droid

If you dont know what this app is, its a Nintendo DS emulator for android phones that was never taken out of BETA.Since this has been removed from the market i think all development has stopped, i think this is a real shame because it has a lot of potential especially with higher and higher specs on android phones.
There are probably similar threads already but i think the subject has run dry and i want to keep the idea of such a cool app in android owners minds.
I was wondering if any developer would take up the job of either starting fresh or adding onto NDS4Droid app. I would but i have no clue where to start when it comes to coding so i cant be much help
The reason i have posted this into the xperia play section is because i would hope that eventually it would be controller optimised.
This is my second thing i have posted in the forums so sorry if i have done anything wrong. Feel free to correct me on anything

+1
This was just the kinda thing I was hoping for, seeing all the groundwork on it going to waste is just a shame :/ Hopefully an awesome Dev will pick it up !

Do you people understand why this project never got very far?
It was because of the hardware capability of our phones. It was not enough for a fully functional DS Emulator which is why development had stopped.
And even if someone did want to continue the Development of this for some unknown reason, then it is impossible because the source code never got released.

The hardware is stron enough, NDS is compareable to N64 but much lower resolution.
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Try TigerNDS it supports physical button mapping
http://apps.tigerplay.info/
Also I do belive that with enough optimisations NDS emultion could run full (or near full) speed on the xperia play. Obviously you need to get a talented developer with enough free time on thier hand to actuall bother doing this.
If a new emu never gets made then we could use this current one with future hardware when it gets powerfull enough but thats still a good couple of years away and also none of the current NDS emulators have audio emulation...

Of course the hardware is good enough for the ds we are getting psp games soon which are better graphics than the ds.....

clewis said:
Of course the hardware is good enough for the ds we are getting psp games soon which are better graphics than the ds.....
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That is because the those games are direct ports and not emulated. Emulators require like x3+ hardware of the actual console which is why some PSX/N64 Games still lag because they are using "Emulation".
The games will be ports and not ran by an emulator so just remember that

NDS has like a 66mhz ARM processor in it. It should be possible hardware wise, but not so ideal in the physical side of things. Showing two 3" screens on one 4" screen will look awkward, especially since the screens are supposed to be one on top of the other.

speedyink said:
NDS has like a 66mhz ARM processor in it.
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I was hoping someone would bring this fact to light.
Quality DS emulation is definitely possible. I'm waiting on one of these NDS emulators to offer the option to only emulate/display one of it's screens. A lot of the times, the second screen could be completely ignored, and that'd drastically improve performance.
All I'd really want an NDS emu for is Phantasy Star Zero... that alongside many other DS games can be played using only one screen.

i'm sure that xperia play can support it . it's looooooooong time that i hope to see update for tiger NDS or NDS4droid
i'm really really eager to help someone ( donate ) want to start this project . i've sent sooooo many mails to tiger , but no answer .
lets try it together and find a way to start it guys.
do you follow me ?

Could a dev maybe port a few of the popular games? anything is better than nothing

JoshyHino said:
Could a dev maybe port a few of the popular games? anything is better than nothing
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i do agree , please port some popular games , mario series

yes! it is totally doable, especially on high end phones now, like my Galaxy Nexus. let's get to work guys!!

I already got PSP games Loco Roco Midnight Carnival in my Play, im sure this game is not a port, it run with Playstation Pocket just like Crash Bandicoot and PSXPERIA converted PSX games, only different by some software coding because it failed while i try to extract it with PSXPERIA.
PSP had better graphic than NDS, im pretty sure Xperia Play have more than enough power to run the game.

JoshyHino said:
Could a dev maybe port a few of the popular games? anything is better than nothing
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mehdi.moha said:
i do agree , please port some popular games , mario series
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You cant not just port a game with was released for completly different plattform. You need the source code to do this and no nds game (except some homebrew) is open source.

Since NDS not a Sony's . We will never get nicely emulated game on our phone

johnylim said:
Since NDS not a Sony's . We will never get nicely emulated game on our phone
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a question
is sony owner of nintendo64 , super nintendo , genesis ... ????!!!!
NDS games is different and is not similar to psp , please post your comment about psp on another forum

Please read carefully my statement. I said 'NDS not owned by SONY's' ,and i said 'I already own PSP games Loco Rock MC running in my XPERIA Play' , im not posting about any PSP device.
If i write about Arcade games running on my X Play, do you want me to post it on other /arcade forum too ?

johnylim said:
Please read carefully my statement. I said 'NDS not owned by SONY's' ,and i said 'I already own PSP games Loco Rock MC running in my XPERIA Play' , im not posting about any PSP device.
If i write about Arcade games running on my X Play, do you want me to post it on other /arcade forum too ?
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misunderstood !!
please talk about NS as much as you can ... to turn on this project

I don't know if this is enough but you can easily convert the dex file to jar and then decompile the jar file to view the source of the emulator.

Sega Saturn EMU...... awesome!!!!!!!

Found this on the Xperia Gamer website and wanted to bring it to everyone attention. I still use my Sega Saturn to this day and have the import/ additional memory cartridge and a modchip to play my backups. Anyway here is the info.
http://www.xperiagamer.com/Blog3/sega-saturn-emulator-update.html
Oh... and Albert Odyssey is an awesome game I would love to play it on my phone....... I would proudly pee my self and not be embarrased by it due to my excitement...
Again.... just sharing....enjoy

Sweet, keep them all emus coming to the XP!

That is great news (for the future). Unfortunately, given the state of Saturn emulation, I doubt we'll be able to enjoy it on our current Xperia Plays.
Saturn emulation seems to be quite CPU intensive, much more so than the PS1.
However it is great to know that the emulator is being worked on at the moment, because it may very well be usable on the next version of the Xperia Play.

benoitb85 said:
That is great news (for the future). Unfortunately, given the state of Saturn emulation, I doubt we'll be able to enjoy it on our current Xperia Plays.
Saturn emulation seems to be quite CPU intensive, much more so than the PS1.
However it is great to know that the emulator is being worked on at the moment, because it may very well be usable on the next version of the Xperia Play.
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From what I have read the reason for such difficulty with the SS is that it has 2 CPUs working togetherm completely independant and seperate. So while its easy to program for 1 CPU its a lot mroe intense to get the sofrware to work as 2 CPUs, that also a reason why most games didnt look that good on the SS as most devs at that time were not good enough or didnt want to take the time to try to use both CPUs in a game, especially considering how much cheaper and more popular the PS1 was in comparison....... I have read that in power terms if the SS was coded at its max with full hardware being used it would be much more powerful then the PS1, but thats all dust news now, 15 years.....anyway, looking forward to this.... I still play mt SS to this day but the prospects of one day playing the games on my phone.... even if its NOT the XP gives me awesome vibes...

GameLoft releases teaser about first game to run the Unreal Engine

GL released a teaser photo of an upcoming game running off the Unreal engine.
https://www.facebook.com/gameloft/app_385139164862884

owhwhhhhh sh1t . . .that engine is usual use to make game for the consol , :good: step by gameloft

Isn't nova 3 on the unreal engine? Or I'm just stupid
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Nope, Nova 3 used their in house engine which is pretty damn good looking and had amazing compatibility across different generations of phones. I highly doubt the Unreal games will be accessible for anything but high end phones even though we have proof the engine works on the Play, I would not say it works well or even meets Gameloft's poor standards. Dungeon Defenders suffered constant lag in anything but the first two levels and nearly cooked my phone while draining battery two times faster than any other game I've played on my Play. Anyways, not a huge deal to me as gamepad support has been abysmal in their last few games that I've bought (Nova 3 was **** awful and the final straw IMO) and the terrible support coupled with game-breaking bugs and little to no hope for updates makes me completely apathetic towards their upcoming lineup regardless of any miracles like device and gamepad support.

CloudShepherd said:
Isn't nova 3 on the unreal engine? Or I'm just stupid
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They definitely were talking about that post launch.
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They definitely were talking about that post launch.
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Nope, some journalists thought the game would be on the Unreal 3 engine but they were mistaken and Gameloft cleared this up pre-launch. Any talk of it afterwards was by uninformed people who hadn't heard (or for some reason believed) the clarification.
By the way, just to show the extent of how much misinformation there is regarding the engine I will quote the wikipedia page for NOVA (1 under the sequels tab)
"N.O.V.A. 3 was released on the App Store, also developed and published by Gameloft. It added new features such as 2-man cars in multiplayer and updated graphics after working with Unreal."
I know wikipedia isn't reputable but a lot of people check for information at wikipedia first and it tends to be pretty uncommon for such large mistakes to be found within a wikipedia page.
Here's a quote from IGN: "A Gameloft spokesperson also confirmed that N.O.V.A. 3 is not running on Epic's Unreal Engine as originally rumored, but like previous N.O.V.A. titles is powered by Gameloft's own original engine."
And if anyone has played NOVA 3 on their Play, it is very clearly using the same engine as Modern Combat 3.

the game will run like crap on the xplay, look at dungeon defenders wich is unreal engine based aswell...
The better idea would be to use the unity engine like madfire games does.

I just hope the Xperia PLAY can cope with Gameloft's unreal engine.
Shouldn't be a problem right ??
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I just hope the Xperia PLAY can cope with Gameloft's unreal engine.
Shouldn't be a problem right ??
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It will be a problem. The Unreal Engine even when running at its weakest was not fast enough to run Dungeon Defenders properly. Dungeon Defenders was released to garner excitement for the Play but it becomes clear after the first two levels that the phone cannot handle the game properly. Even gameloft isn't stupid enough to release a game running at an average of 20 fps; sure, they'll release a game with broken multiplayer, broken levels, and terrible controls but the Unreal Engine is not nearly as scalable as their old in house engine. I talk about this a bit more a few posts back.

Hope not... As said, their own engine is great (except the crappy pad support...).
They should have changed to unity.

First teaser video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=625fWeApKGc
Enjoy:good:
Looks like the game has some influence from Darksiders.
I don't give up hope that they will release it for our phone. Look at Infinity Blade series on ios.
That game runs on an Iphone 4 and looks great. Besides that, Gameloft can't ignore the large user base
which doesn't have a high end device.

Correct. And I think it will be some action game or RPG - hope they will optimize it for Play users (98% it's possible, cause every their big title has it ), cause Adreno 205 (so like UNCUT88RAW said little higher - most of Android users, at least not high end) is too good and too heavy used graphic chip, they will lose 70% of customers.
In my opinion - it's coming for us . I'm thinkin if they start from this game their plans for 2012 - they're trying to -> http://blog.gameloft.com/index.php/2012/07/19/inside-gameloft/

That looks really good ! I think Gameloft will release it for our Xperia PLAY's
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