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So I'm in a bit of a pickle, I can't decide if I should keep my Acer or my Asus. I have both right now but will be returning one of them, so I'm looking for any differentiators I can use to decide, here's what I've got:
Acer:
- USB support right out of the box (not planning on currently picking up the ASUS keyboard)
- Feels sturdier
- Power connector isn't proprietary
- Rotation lock is a physical button, I find I use that a lot.
- Not quite as wide as the Asus.
- Plays youtube HD smoothly in the Youtube app. This seems very strange, given they are identical hardware wise, but the Asus stutters when watching HD in the YouTube app. The Acer doesn't, for whatever reason. I can get around it by watching in the browser... but I like the app.
Asus:
- Feels snappier (might be my imagination, also I got this one 'later' so maybe the Acer is just a little extra bogged down by apps... though I have gotten them both to an identical state and the Asus seems to still have a very slight edge).
- Slightly better screen. It is noticeable when watching the same video content side by side.
- Gorilla Glass? (I can't confirm whether the Acer has this or not, have seen many posts both ways, and seen Acer confirm it both ways)
- Slightly lighter and very slightly thinner.
- Better sound (just seems better flat out, headphones are identical)
- Keyboard dock add on (though I am not planning to pick that up yet).
- $50 cheaper, though I had to pay $20 shipping so the net is $30 back to me. Not a big deal.
Any additional information, or things I should consider? I really don't know which to choose!
I'd choose the ASUS Transformer
The ASUS comes preloaded with a lot of nice apps and widgets. I LOVE the feature that I can use splashtop without any prior experience and connect to my shared media on my PC, also without changing any settings.
The wider bezel is great in my opinion. I had the XOOM and when I was holding it in one hand I would always touch the screen by accident; and I do not have big hands!
Even though you don't plan on picking up the dock you should It is an amazing piece of hardware.
I cannot comment on the comparison since I never touched the Acer but I can tell you that I am very pleased with the ASUS and it gets nice support from the devs here and ASUS directly.
Thanks funnycreature, I should elaborate a bit more on my original post.
To add to the list above, the Asus has some light bleeding on the screen, in 3 spaces. This doesn't really bother me, but it is definitely there, and not on the Acer. I have not really used the prepackaged apps on either device much, so I can't comment on that. I had a Xoom as well before I had these 2, and I think it was actually my favorite, but I didn't keep it because I thought the cost was far too high for the very small bit I favored it. I like the size of it, I didn't have the width issues you did, and I think the Asus is a bit too wide. The Acer is the middleground there. Having gotten the Thumb Keyboard now though... it is not nearly as big of an issue.
If all things were equal, I would keep the Asus. I bought it because that was my intention, but once getting it I found it was a much tougher call than I initially suspected. If that Youtube app problem wasn't there.... the Acer would be back at the store. But that scares me a little bit, and I don't know if it will *ever* truly get fixed (and I watch a lot of Youtube videos on my tablet while the wife is asleep!). It is a very, very close comparison.
The other bonus for the Asus that I didn't mention, though, is that it has about 3x the community here on XDA, which I'll go ahead and assume means 3x the development effort. That is nice to know.
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Thanks funnycreature, I should elaborate a bit more on my original post.
To add to the list above, the Asus has some light bleeding on the screen, in 3 spaces. This doesn't really bother me, but it is definitely there, and not on the Acer. I have not really used the prepackaged apps on either device much, so I can't comment on that. I had a Xoom as well before I had these 2, and I think it was actually my favorite, but I didn't keep it because I thought the cost was far too high for the very small bit I favored it. I like the size of it, I didn't have the width issues you did, and I think the Asus is a bit too wide. The Acer is the middleground there. Having gotten the Thumb Keyboard now though... it is not nearly as big of an issue.
If all things were equal, I would keep the Asus. I bought it because that was my intention, but once getting it I found it was a much tougher call than I initially suspected. If that Youtube app problem wasn't there.... the Acer would be back at the store. But that scares me a little bit, and I don't know if it will *ever* truly get fixed (and I watch a lot of Youtube videos on my tablet while the wife is asleep!). It is a very, very close comparison.
The other bonus for the Asus that I didn't mention, though, is that it has about 3x the community here on XDA, which I'll go ahead and assume means 3x the development effort. That is nice to know.
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The bleed seems to be an illness of the mobile IPS displays and since the Acer most likely doesn't have an IPS it won't show the bleed. I hardly notice it and it doesn't really bother me. I also hardly ever watch YouTube videos
You should try experiencing more what each device can do beside watching videos. Maybe that will make the decision easier!
I find it strange that you order 3 tables and only keep one! What do you do with the tables you don't keep?
Honestly, I find the whole "this vs. that" discussion boring. I say: evaluate them, give them some side-by-side use if you can, and then make your decision. This is all very subjective, particularly since the major specs--processor, RAM, storage--are essentially the same.
The TF has pros and cons, the Acer has pros and cons, the Xoom has pros and cons, etc., etc. What's better for one person may not be better for another. So, just do your research and make your choice--looking for "unbiased" input on a forum dedicated to one device is unlikely to bear fruit.
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Honestly, I find the whole "this vs. that" discussion boring. I say: evaluate them, give them some side-by-side use if you can, and then make your decision. This is all very subjective, particularly since the major specs--processor, RAM, storage--are essentially the same.
The TF has pros and cons, the Acer has pros and cons, the Xoom has pros and cons, etc., etc. What's better for one person may not be better for another. So, just do your research and make your choice--looking for "unbiased" input on a forum dedicated to one device is unlikely to bear fruit.
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That's why I say "Tablets are like shoes, they need to fit you and the purpose"
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I had a Xoom as well before I had these 2, and I think it was actually my favorite, but I didn't keep it because I thought the cost was far too high for the very small bit I favored it.
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That's quite interesting for me, how did you find the Xoom's screen, was it acceptable? I returned my TF and am now thinking of getting either a Xoom or wait and see ho much the GT 10.1 will be here in the UK. I'm getting cheesed off waiting for the GT specs and price though. :-(
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That's quite interesting for me, how did you find the Xoom's screen, was it acceptable? I returned my TF and am now thinking of getting either a Xoom or wait and see ho much the GT 10.1 will be here in the UK. I'm getting cheesed off waiting for the GT specs and price though. :-(
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Well, it was definitely on par with the Acer. I didn't have the Asus/Xoom at the same time so I couldn't compare them side by side. I didn't even know there was a difference until I got the Acer/Asus side by side, but the Asus is the winner. It is not huge though, not at all, in fact someone else brought it up before I even noticed it. When you run media, like a video, side by side you can see the colors are slightly richer on the Asus. I am sure that is a 16m colors vs. 256k colors issue. The Xoom was at least Acer quality, could have been Asus, not sure, I would find out what panel it has and that should tell you. It was a good device, basically identical I just liked the form factor a little more (less wasted space). I would have paid a ~$30 premium for it, but definitely not $200. Why did you return your TF?
Honestly, I find the whole "this vs. that" discussion boring. I say: evaluate them, give them some side-by-side use if you can, and then make your decision. This is all very subjective, particularly since the major specs--processor, RAM, storage--are essentially the same.
The TF has pros and cons, the Acer has pros and cons, the Xoom has pros and cons, etc., etc. What's better for one person may not be better for another. So, just do your research and make your choice--looking for "unbiased" input on a forum dedicated to one device is unlikely to bear fruit
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Sort of, but we aren't talking about your favorite flavor of pizza here. There are completely objective differences here, and things that are in fact just "better." I asked this forum because it is more lively than the Acer forum, and I think I lean *ever so slightly* towards the Asus anyway (maybe just because I have an asus laptop). People here are truly in the know, I figured if there was a difference I didn't know about, maybe I could learn. And if someone was interested in the differences in the 3 android honeycomb tablets, maybe they could learn something from my post, since I've owned all 3 now.
I find it strange that you order 3 tables and only keep one! What do you do with the tables you don't keep?
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I return them. I don't usually do anything like that, it just happened to work out this time. I bought the Xoom, liked it, but decided that for $600 it just wasn't enough. I went back and they had the Acer in stock, so I picked that up. I saw they had the Asus in stock online like a week later, and decided what the hell, I've tried the other 2 now let's give it a go. I expect the Asus to win in a landslide... I didn't think my decision would be difficult.
Thanks for all the replies!
I had an Acer and currently have an Asus and the Acer felt much heavier especially when holding it in one hand. The metal construction gave it a nice quality feel, but it also made the back of the device slippery and a little harder to hold than the Asus. The Asus feels a little snappier, I noticed lag on the unlock screen of the Acer. However, the Acer seemed to have a more responsive touch screen. When I first received the Asus I noticed I had to tap the screen a little harder than the Acer, now I'm used to it and is no longer an issue. Also the Asus seems to be more hackable than the Acer, I believe the Acer still has a locked bootloader and the devs are having trouble putting clockworkmod recovery on the device. My Acer did play YouTube videos in the app better than the Asus.
I am happy with the Asus, I just need to find the keyboard dock. It seems to run smoother, the devs seem to be having success with Modding the transformer, and Asus seems to be ontop of things.
P.S typed this all on my transformer gotta love the tumb keyboard.
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Why did you return your TF?
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It was due to what I consider to have been poor build quality, light bleed, creaky housing. I hope that this was just an initial manufacturing issue and that Asus will get to grips with it very soon and will produce a better Transformer. Of course there are people here who have had better units without these problems, I wasn't so lucky.
I like the solid construction of the Xoom, not so much the screen but I could get used to that I suppose. The Xoom is more expensive than the TF and that's a major consideration, also I'm not so sure that the Xoom will be as well supported as the TF, by both Motorola and not forgetting the guys here at XDA. There's a lot off stuff going off in this section.
I really am in limbo here trying to make the right decision.
also I returned my Acer because the GPS SUCKED. the Acer took forever to get a GPS lock and would lose the GPS signal randomly under a clear sky. I haven't gotten a chance to test the GPS on the transformer but I heard that it is good.
I looked at the Acer. Found it a nice tab - far better than the over priced, heavy Xoom (that I once owned 2 - until the TF came along and put them to shame).
But the Acer isn't as nice (on the pocketbook) as the TF, nor as versatile. Having the dock is nice - I don't use it often, but comes in very handy when wanting more bat life, more ports, faster typing - the kb dock is well executed. A benny of buying the kb dock is the clamshell design makes having a case unnecessary imo - stuffed it into my carry on luggage on my trip to Hawaii and no problems.
But if you don't want the dock, I'd go for the Acer due to full size USB on the tablet itself (that's the only thing I wanted extra on the TF). Marginally worse screen isn't a big deal. Didn't check the speakers, but if you say the TF is better, then the Acer's speakers must blow...
But you might also want to check the new Gal Tab 10 when it releases in the near future.
the transformer is great bang for the buck, and I like tablets with bigger bezels like the Asus and the Acer. I guess I have fat fingers because it was hard to hold the xoom with one hand without touching the screen by accident. but the xoom should always get honeycomb updates first, and should be the most hackable.
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also I returned my Acer because the GPS SUCKED. the Acer took forever to get a GPS lock and would lose the GPS signal randomly under a clear sky. I haven't gotten a chance to test the GPS on the transformer but I heard that it is good.
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The one that I had worked very well, even got a lock in my front room where my HTC Desire couldn't.
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the transformer is great bang for the buck, and I like tablets with bigger bezels like the Asus and the Acer. I guess I have fat fingers because it was hard to hold the xoom with one hand without touching the screen by accident. but the xoom should always get honeycomb updates first, and should be the most hackable.
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Hmmm, unless you're in the UK.
Transformer
I'd say TF, I found the Acer very heavy and the screen is not as sharp. The TF has lots of great widgets and the ability to remote desktop into your pc or mac.
I use that feature a lot, it comes in handy.
Polaris office is also another good feature. The Acer does have that usb port on the tablet, but the keyboard that attaches to it seems flimsy and the tablet doesn't attach 100% to it. And the dock doesn't have an extra battery.
I find that the TF gives me lots of options for expandability and ease of use.
Both are good choices, but the TF comes out on top imo.
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It was due to what I consider to have been poor build quality, light bleed, creaky housing. I hope that this was just an initial manufacturing issue and that Asus will get to grips with it very soon and will produce a better Transformer. Of course there are people here who have had better units without these problems, I wasn't so lucky.
I like the solid construction of the Xoom, not so much the screen but I could get used to that I suppose. The Xoom is more expensive than the TF and that's a major consideration, also I'm not so sure that the Xoom will be as well supported as the TF, by both Motorola and not forgetting the guys here at XDA. There's a lot off stuff going off in this section.
I really am in limbo here trying to make the right decision.
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I use to own the Xoom and its a great device but way overpriced & the screen isn't that good. The price you save by going TF again can go towards a dock. I have shown my ex-Xoom & TF dock to many family members, friends & co-workers. All of them love the TF over the Xoom & many of them plan to get the TF & dock once they are able to find them.
Like someone said earlier, its all personal preference but for me, it's TF all the way.
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Well, it was definitely on par with the Acer. I didn't have the Asus/Xoom at the same time so I couldn't compare them side by side.
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I know I just wrote that it's all subjective, but really I meant that in total. I'll say this as well: I have a Xoom and a TF sitting side by side right now (still haven't returned the Xoom to Costco, been busy), and the TF screen is heads and shoulders better than the Xoom's.
First, the angles are better. Much better. Like, night and day difference better. Second, colors on the TF are much more natural--the Xoom tends to be VERY cold (i.e., has a very strong blue tint). There are apparently two different Xoom screens floating around, each with their advantages/disadvantages, and the one I have is not even close to the TF.
In fact, even if the Xoom cost less than the TF, and even if the TF didn't have the dock, I'd still keep the TF over the Xoom on the strength of the screen alone.
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In fact, even if the Xoom cost less than the TF, and even if the TF didn't have the dock, I'd still keep the TF over the Xoom on the strength of the screen alone.
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That's the big draw, the screen (when it's OK) is head and shoulders above most of the other tablets without the IPS screens and obviously the price is right too.
I'm getting p*ssed off going back and forth to this and that tablet, each have their plus and minuses. I can see me getting another Transformer at this rate ... IT BETTER BE BETTER THAN MY OTHERS!
I had Iconia and was good, except for the wifi problems and the constant turning on when in sleep. The new software fixes them. I returned it because the screen was inferior to the transformer, the metal housing was to damn slippery...dropped it on carpet a few times...the weight of it..the thickness of it and the main was the better development community here for the transformer. It is really a good tablet(Iconia) but did not suit me.
I was wondering did anyone find any good stylus that is compatible with the hp touchpad. This was my main reason why I got the touchpad so I can use it for note taking and sketching. I want to get a really good one for the touchpad or for any future tablets i might get in the future.
This is what I´m searching for, too. I think the Wacom Bamboo Stylus is the best you can get for capazative displays at the moment...but it´s a bit too expensive for my taste. Any other suggestions?
Sorry, I don't have much to recommend. I've wondered how a stylus would work on the Touchpad. I'm coming from the Nook Color, and from what I understand, no stylus really works well with it. I personally have some el-cheapo meritline stylii that didn't work with it at all -- I'll have to try those on the Touchpad. The HTC Flyer is supposed to have a nice stylus too, but I'm not sure if it has anything special to play nice with the Flyer hardware.
The other thing is - do you have a worthwhile note-taking or drawing app to use it with? I couldn't really find anything that seemed that great in the app catalog. I downloaded one drawing app, but it seemed a little kiddie-oriented.
Just a short info: flyer is another universe...it´s an active digitizer which is just working with special hardware...you can´t use an active digitizer on a normal capacitive screen
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Sorry, I don't have much to recommend. I've wondered how a stylus would work on the Touchpad. I'm coming from the Nook Color, and from what I understand, no stylus really works well with it. I personally have some el-cheapo meritline stylii that didn't work with it at all -- I'll have to try those on the Touchpad. The HTC Flyer is supposed to have a nice stylus too, but I'm not sure if it has anything special to play nice with the Flyer hardware.
The other thing is - do you have a worthwhile note-taking or drawing app to use it with? I couldn't really find anything that seemed that great in the app catalog. I downloaded one drawing app, but it seemed a little kiddie-oriented.
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There is a great app for drawing in Android called Autodesk SketchBook Pro
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There is a great app for drawing in Android called Autodesk SketchBook Pro
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We're in a TouchPad section, not an Android one
I got this one : Targus AMM01 , and it's ok :
http://www.amazon.com/Targus-Stylus...HKIY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1315999154&sr=8-1
for french people :
http://www.amazon.fr/gp/product/B004FVZE60/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&m=A1X6FK5RDHNB96
You can find it in "two-in-one" and even "3-in-one"
There's also the Kensington one , longer, ok too :
http://www.amazon.com/Kensington-Ge...F1I8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1315999897&sr=8-1
http://www.amazon.fr/Kensington-39304EU-Virtuoso-Stylet-pour/dp/B004KDX39I/ref=pd_luc_sbs_02_01_t_lh
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We're in a TouchPad section, not an Android one
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I know in what section i am, are you? Touchpad = WebOS + uncoming Android. Im giving him a suggestion for what to use if he migrates to Android when it comes. So if you got a better suggestion, go ahead.
Till then, check this out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ell2nR8f9Wo
k, so I have three, here's my review
1) generic rubber-tipped one - it was basically a plastic straw with a rubber bubble (hollow inside) at the end. It was ok for pointing, sucked at anything that needs a longer press since it was smooshy.
2) Dagi p501 - Works great once its held at the proper angle. The angle is not hard to hit, but once off, it feels a bit weird since it's not symmetrical.
3) Dagi p504 - GET THIS ONE. It's great, can easily write with it and its got a flexible tip, so it's always in full contact with the screen.
Caveat - the hp touchpad kinda sucks for note taking. When trying to draw a circle, it turns into more of an octagon. Maybe it's the application (Just draw, got from hp app cat) but i tried to do stuff with my viewsonic gtab and it was smooth enough to write cursive (though I had to remember how to write cursive)
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There is a great app for drawing in Android called Autodesk SketchBook Pro
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Yes, that's the one... I have one of the "lite" versions on the NC. It's really good. I also have another one that's for note-taking, but you can write on the screen and it will put it inline with other text like in a notebook. Hopefully apps like this someday make their way to the TP one way or another.
I'm an old school mobile user, and actually, this is my first glass screened, capacitive mobile (other than a quickly returned Nook Tablet). When I first started reading about capacitive styli, I had to get used to complaints about friction and durability of the rubber versions. For my nook tablet, I made my own stylus out of a small flashlight (body) and some conductive foam (tip) from some old processor packaging.
Then I read about this conductive microfiber tipped one on the verge's most recent update to their styli mega post, the TruGlide. It wasn't their pick of anything, but it meets my wants and all the amazon and youtube reviews seem pretty psyched. It's supposed to be durable, soft and smooth and responsive. I'm pretty sure that's what I'm getting.
Anyone else got their eye on something interesting?
I read some reviews on Android Central about two that I liked. One being the Wacom Bamboo stylus, which seemed to be the most balanced all around for everything. It wasn't quite as good for writing as the Adonit Jot Pro, but I also didn't like that the Jot Pro had a lot of sound when writing in print. I did like that both had replaceable tips. I'm planning on picking up a Bamboo, as it seemed to be the most balanced and incredibly durable with a great, premium feel to go along with my premium tablet.
I just got the Amazon Basics Stylus: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004GCJEZU/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00 it's about $10, has 4 stars and 600+ reviews. I've had Amazon HDMI cables in the past and they were pretty good.
I bought the cheapest no-name stylus for ~$3 and it's been great so far for some drawing in SuperNote, I'm not really using it besides that, but I don't see why it wouldn't be fine for general use.
I had an el cheapo one delivered with my leather case, and it serves rather commendably. I've lost it yesterday, so I'd better get my work bag overhauled and see if I can spot it in there. Otherwise, I hope that the lucky finder at least knows what it is and makes good use of it. :S
<trembles at the very thought of possible improper uses of it>
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Ahahaha.
I think I'm going to order the Bamboo and give it a try. Maybe I'll order two and see which one I like better.
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Well, if (s)he decides to stick it up his/her own behind*, for C's sake, let's have the movie posted to YouTube for all to see. At least I'd get a laugh out of it. (Your remark made me laugh as well; hadn't thought of that point of view. )
* or someone else's behind, for all I care...
Apparently The Verge has a huge list of stylii they review and constantly update. IIRC, the ranked the Kensington stylus pretty well and it's pretty cheap. You may want to take a look at their site for the full list.
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The verge link is in the first post for anyone interested.
My truglide is everything I'd hoped for. A very light touch is all that's needed, I never have to press and it never seems to not register. I got the short tether version, I might get spares for when I inevitably misplace it.
I dont have much of a need for a stylus, but I do have one I made out of a cheap pen, some wire and a sponge. Works decent on my Atrix, so I figure it'll work fine on the Infinity as well.
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I just got the Amazon Basics Stylus: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004GCJEZU/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00 it's about $10, has 4 stars and 600+ reviews. I've had Amazon HDMI cables in the past and they were pretty good.
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I got one of those too and i love it. Smooth and TF700 is very responsive to it.
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I just got the Amazon Basics Stylus: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004GCJEZU/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00 it's about $10, has 4 stars and 600+ reviews. I've had Amazon HDMI cables in the past and they were pretty good.
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It's now $25?! I am hoping this is because it comes with a personal assistant to do the actual typing for you...
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It's now $25?! I am hoping this is because it comes with a personal assistant to do the actual typing for you...
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$25 for a stylus with a personal assistant that only types? I do not want to build myself a reputation here, but for so much overprice, she'll have to do more than that.
I've used mostly Wacomb stylus due to just having them on hand and they work very well. Usually nothing too fancy, but they are solidly built with a degree of quality that isn't always found in the cheap ones.
Makes sense I guess, seeing how they've been in the business for quite some time with their touch/drawing boards.
Too bad even a stylus costs a fortune to have shipped here.
I got the BoxWave Evertouch:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000QY9OO8/ref=oh_details_o04_s00_i01
This is my first capacitive stylus. I was attracted by the sturdier tip, and so far it has not disappointed. I don't think longevity will be an issue.
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I've bought a Belkin rubber-tipped stylus earlier today, and, like the el cheapo rubber-tipped one I had lost before, it is quite good. I am still deciding on which microtextile-tipped one to purchase, since they have a reputation to go that bit longer. I feel like ordering a bunch and picking my personal favorite and giving one away to my father-in-law. The rest will go in reserve, just in case I lose this one too...
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C4PO said:
I got the BoxWave Evertouch:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000QY9OO8/ref=oh_details_o04_s00_i01
This is my first capacitive stylus. I was attracted by the sturdier tip, and so far it has not disappointed. I don't think longevity will be an issue.
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So I looked up the link, and I might try yours. That's the kind of tip I was referring to; it's reputed to be mor immediate whe writing and drawing, and to glide over the screen more easily after longer periods of use|, whereas the rubber ones get schmutz on the tip and subsequently start to skip a bit, it seems. No idea if cleaning them regularly helps to any significant degree.
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C4PO said:
I got the BoxWave Evertouch:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000QY9OO8/ref=oh_details_o04_s00_i01
This is my first capacitive stylus. I was attracted by the sturdier tip, and so far it has not disappointed. I don't think longevity will be an issue.
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thanks, i originally ordered the Kensington one from The Verge reviews, but then reading about yours, i cancelled that order and got the Evertouch.
It was also cheaper :good:
I have both devices and would like to help people who have questions on the devices. So fire away.
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I have both devices and would like to help people who have questions on the devices. So fire away.
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That's great Well, I'm buying my first tablet and I've read many reviews and many comparisons between those 2 tablets, and I know almost everything about them. The only thing left is something that can't be written down or recorded Just out of those 2, which one is faster I know it seems like a general question but I'm talking about raw performance. As in, which one will open applications a lot faster and load them a lot faster. You know, browsers and so on.
I'd appreciate it, thanks
Im going to have to give the edge to the note. The combination of lower resolution and 2gigs of ram make it super fast. When i open an app on both devices at the same time i will say the note wins a majority of the time. When it comes to web browsing the note is a clear cut winner when scrolling through pages very little hangups. The infinity isnt far behind though and i am not a fanboy for either device i think they are both great but raw performance goes to the note.
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I spend a hour testing a Galaxy Note at a local store. Because my first TF700T was broken and I decided to test the Samsung to be sure that I pick the right one again.
Yes it's fast, but fast is not everything. Haptics, design and ergonomics goes pretty clear to ASUS.
That the ASUS is slower is just a matter of the Screen Resolution. Android is not optimized for this screen size now.
So if you have a Samsung device with the same stunning display you will see that it doesn't matters wich Company you choose if the OS isn't made for it.
Plastics against metal is a unfair war but ASUS feels a lot better to hold in hand. I don't understand why Samsung still uses this cheap plastics, ok they say it is for the wight but ASUS is lighter and thinner even in Metal Case..
Over all display res is ergonomics and ergonomics are pretty much the most important part in a held-in-hands device.
Samsung can't take any competition agains the TF700T in this point. Samsung put the same Resolution as they had on the first Galaxy Note to a double as big screen. Thats just a joke for a device calles it self highend.
Only points left for samsung, if you need it, is 3G and the stylus.
The Stylus is a pretty little toy, but at all I don't know where to use it in productivity.
So my choice again was clear, ASUS will become a lot faster with 4.1 and the screen is still amazing.
kabauterman said:
I spend a hour testing a Galaxy Note at a local store. Because my first TF700T was broken and I decided to test the Samsung to be sure that I pick the right one again.
Yes it's fast, but fast is not everything. Haptics, design and ergonomics goes pretty clear to ASUS.
That the ASUS is slower is just a matter of the Screen Resolution. Android is not optimized for this screen size now.
So if you have a Samsung device with the same stunning display you will see that it doesn't matters wich Company you choose if the OS isn't made for it.
Plastics against metal is a unfair war but ASUS feels a lot better to hold in hand. I don't understand why Samsung still uses this cheap plastics, ok they say it is for the wight but ASUS is lighter and thinner even in Metal Case..
Over all display res is ergonomics and ergonomics are pretty much the most important part in a held-in-hands device.
Samsung can't take any competition agains the TF700T in this point. Samsung put the same Resolution as they had on the first Galaxy Note to a double as big screen. Thats just a joke for a device calles it self highend.
Only points left for samsung, if you need it, is 3G and the stylus.
The Stylus is a pretty little toy, but at all I don't know where to use it in productivity.
So my choice again was clear, ASUS will become a lot faster with 4.1 and the screen is still amazing.
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This is the dumbest argument. First its not cheap plastic. Do some research.
Second the infinity problem is more then just screen resolution. Asus used cheap parts in the building. Thats why you have i/o issues.
Design and ergonomics is subjective. What's good for the goose isn't necessarily good for the gander.
And I have no clue what you're talking about with haptic. As far as I know it works fine on the Note. At least on mine.
The ONLY advantage you could quantitatively give Asus over Samsung is the screen resolution.
Aside from screen resolution, which ultimately each individual will have to decide which one he or she wants, both tablets have advantages over the other based on how you want to use it.
The Stylus is anything but a toy. I use it exclusively with S-Note for class and at work. Plus if you have any desire to do drawing/sketching on your tablet the Note is really the only choice. The infinity is horrible at stylus work. No matter how awesome your touchscreen tune is configured.
With that said the Infinity does offer a base with extended battery, sd card and a usb connection so if those matter then take that in to account. I found I didn't use the base very much. And when trying to take notes with the "office" apps I typed way to fast and there was serious delay.
As far as mirroring Infinity has hdmi out and Note has an allshare cast dongle (I believe this works with the note). Again subjective if you will use either.
I find the note better then then infinity. But that's just opinion and the way I use a tablet.
Oh and btw. Note warranty isn't voided when you root. Or at least you can get back to complete stock.
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This is the dumbest argument. First its not cheap plastic. Do some research.
Second the infinity problem is more then just screen resolution. Asus used cheap parts in the building. Thats why you have i/o issues.
Design and ergonomics is subjective. What's good for the goose isn't necessarily good for the gander.
And I have no clue what you're talking about with haptic. As far as I know it works fine on the Note. At least on mine.
The ONLY advantage you could quantitatively give Asus over Samsung is the screen resolution.
Aside from screen resolution, which ultimately each individual will have to decide which one he or she wants, both tablets have advantages over the other based on how you want to use it.
The Stylus is anything but a toy. I use it exclusively with S-Note for class and at work. Plus if you have any desire to do drawing/sketching on your tablet the Note is really the only choice. The infinity is horrible at stylus work. No matter how awesome your touchscreen tune is configured.
With that said the Infinity does offer a base with extended battery, sd card and a usb connection so if those matter then take that in to account. I found I didn't use the base very much. And when trying to take notes with the "office" apps I typed way to fast and there was serious delay.
As far as mirroring Infinity has hdmi out and Note has an allshare cast dongle (I believe this works with the note). Again subjective if you will use either.
I find the note better then then infinity. But that's just opinion and the way I use a tablet.
Oh and btw. Note warranty isn't voided when you root. Or at least you can get back to complete stock.
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for me plastic is cheap, no matter what kind u use, and if you use shiny plastics thats less cheaper haptics than ASUS.
Have you tried TF700T with 4.1 JB ROM? It is a lot more responsive and no more lags at all. More Resolution means more work for the Memory even on the UI, if it isn't optimized for this it would lag. Or did you have seen a more resoponsive Full HD Tablet now?! The I/O Troubles from cheap chips? Hynix 64GB NAND chip in 2X nm technology? Not the main problem about the I/O troubles more kernel side I think.
Yes Design is subjective. But please tell me that you better choose the Note Design over the Apple iPad's or ASUS TF700's. That should be a joke. Every review out there calls the plastic cheap.. and what feels cheap has a bad haptic in my understanding.
Stylus is a pretty nice feature for sure, but to be clear if you have the choice between Full HD and Stylus I choose Full HD because more density is just more.. more website, more picture, more from everything. If you want to draw on your tablet or you take handwritten notes often the stylus is yours. But why no full hd with stylus? the Display is just cheap and the display is one of the most important parts of a tablet.
I never had any real delay on my TF700T just little lags like on the most 4.0 Devices but from what you say delay in office I've never seen anything.
Tell me you would not prefer a Galaxy Note 10.1 and ASUS TF700T combination. The best of both worlds. ASUS Metal Body, Display, Dock, Camera, DDR3 and maybe Samsungs Stylus, 2GB Dualchannel Memory, IR-remote.
And as long as this perfect tablet doesn't exists everyone have to choose wich points he gives more wight.
And WHAT?! Rooting don't viod ASUS Warranty. Even unlocked ASUS still is cool with hardware defects.
Samsung also have a way to see what you have installed on your tablet and will don't give you warranty if you do great ****. Ever heard about Binary Counter?
Ever heard of the app that resets binary counter? Not like Asus which logs your s/n and has denied many warranty claims on that fact alone.
Please, your still spewing opinion as fact.
I guess you could search the infinity forum and the note forum and see which has more complaint threads.
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Please, your still spewing opinion as fact.
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you didn't?
I'm not a fanboy or something, yes I have a opinion and I give you a lot of facts for this opinion.
Even you do the same..
Well this got a lil out of hand lol. i was just answering a question that someone asked. He asked what one was faster and i gave him my opinion on it after playing with both side by side. He didn't seem worried about what they were made of, what JB would bring or what rooting/custom roms would do. Im guessing he was talking about sock out of the box devices if im worng then im sorry. I really didnt want this to turn into a flame war thread.
I have a Motorola Droid and an Infinity so if anyone wants to ask questions about that matchup, fire away.
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you didn't?
I'm not a fanboy or something, yes I have a opinion and I give you a lot of facts for this opinion.
Even you do the same..
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The only thing I stated that was a fact that made one better then the other was screen resolution.
Everything else about the two tablets comes down the subjectivity. I stated features that distinguish each tablet, but those features don't make one better then the other. It's up to each person to decide what features they want in a tablet and can live without from another.
Don't be mad dude.
And straight out of the box my opinion is the note 10.1 holds an edge as the better tablet.
i'm not a fan boy of asus, infact i have GS3. I have tried so hard to like the Galaxy Note 10.1. Bought it and returned it to bestbuy TWICE. trying to like it more than my asus and just can't. First i hate the cheap plastic YES CHEAP PLASTIC. hate it when you are holding the devices it feel SO CHEAP. Second the screen sucks compare to asus, cannot look at such low resolution and salutated colors, third i cannot get use to using a big touchwiz tablet, with all that crap installed. I understand that you can install custom rom, but 90% of the people don't even know about custom rom so they are force to use the tablet just has it is. With the infinity you don't have to do any of that. It looks plain ICS just the way i like it. Touchwiz looks to cartoony made for kids. I use my tablet for presentation and HDMI output is a must for me. Hate the way samsung uses HDMI, have to buy a $40 xtra connector plus using MHL hdmi requires Xtra power connector to an outlet for it to work. Asus tf700 run a microHDMI from tablet to HDMI TV and done.
OP - Since you have both tablets it would be benificial for everyone to see some comparison videos side by side. Only if your up to it. It does become time consuming.
I also have a note 10.1 that i won at work. Its nice, the pen thing is pretty cool but otherwise useless unless i want to draw or be an artsy pantsy dude. I mean using supernote on my infinity and writing with my fingers is as good if not better than the S pen app suite from samsung. The tablet is quite more responsive because lag plaigs the transformer but again, the TF700 has the ressources, just need to work on the software issue. The note is fatter, thicker and chunkier, it feels much cheaper also. The TF700 overall is the better tablet, it feel premium, has a beatiful screen resolution that in certain cases is better. I've compared both tablet side-by-side and played an MKV bluray rip and suprisingly the note has better, brighter colors, the blue is more blue, the greens are more green and in color saturation its considerably nicer. but unless you compare side by side, there is no way to know.
P.S. I can make a side by side video for you guys tonight
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The only thing I stated that was a fact that made one better then the other was screen resolution.
Everything else about the two tablets comes down the subjectivity. I stated features that distinguish each tablet, but those features don't make one better then the other. It's up to each person to decide what features they want in a tablet and can live without from another.
Don't be mad dude.
And straight out of the box my opinion is the note 10.1 holds an edge as the better tablet.
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I disagree. Cheap plastic, gimmick pen and horrible update history. TF700 ftw.... Also dude you need to calm down, calling other users argument stupid because they expressed an opinion shows how close minded you are. That kind of attitude is not needed on these forums.
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Ahhh.
I misunderstood the thread title.
It's about the Infinity and the Note 10.1.
Sorry I'm blind
pierrekid said:
I disagree. Cheap plastic, gimmick pen and horrible update history. TF700 ftw.... Also dude you need to calm down, calling other users argument stupid because they expressed an opinion shows how close minded you are. That kind of attitude is not needed on these forums.
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I encourage people to express opinion. But don't express it as fact.
beston94 said:
That's great Well, I'm buying my first tablet and I've read many reviews and many comparisons between those 2 tablets, and I know almost everything about them. The only thing left is something that can't be written down or recorded Just out of those 2, which one is faster I know it seems like a general question but I'm talking about raw performance. As in, which one will open applications a lot faster and load them a lot faster. You know, browsers and so on.
I'd appreciate it, thanks
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I had Galaxy Note 10.1 for 3 weeks before returning. Prior to which I had Transformer Infinity for almost 4 weeks. So what I have now? I am back to Infinity and plan to keep it.
Galaxy Note 10.1 essentially superior to Infinity every aspect except screen i.e. smoother, more stable, faster (especially browser), longer tablet standalone battery life. This is a fact. You put things side by side and ran same applications, it is easy to see without even running benchmark tests.
So why I chose Infinity? Because the difference in aforementioned areas are to me not significant enough to the difference in screen resolution.
Full HD is (to me) noticeble every seconds I use the tablet. Slightly less stability i.e. random crash every other day or so (which for some reason seemed to have improved) vs. once every week is manageable. Loading web page is slower but that is like 10 seconds on really flash heavy site that I visit so I am losing probably 5-10 minutes every day at most because of the difference in page loading time.
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OP - Since you have both tablets it would be benificial for everyone to see some comparison videos side by side. Only if your up to it. It does become time consuming.
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I prolly wont do any vids there are quite a few on youtube.
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Thats OK said:
Ahhh.
I misunderstood the thread title.
It's about the Infinity and the Note 10.1.
Sorry I'm blind
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Yeah little typo, it doesnt seem that i proofread. Sorry about that.
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So I'm really interested in a Note 10.1 because I've always wanted a tablet with a proper stylus. There are however a few questions I want to ask before I commit to buying one.
First, how is the build quality of it? I've read quite a few reviews where they say the build quality is not that good? What's your experience of it? Is it as bad as the reviewers say?
Second, How is Touchwiz? I've herd quiet a few complaints that it cripples the majority of Samsung's products and the Note 10.1 is no exception.
Finally, and probably the most important thing for me, is the S-Pen. How is that? I've seen a few videos on YouTube displaying it and it does look good but what are your views about it? Have you come across any problems with it?
Also are there any other problems you've had? Browsing the Q&A forum, it does appear to be quite problem prone.
KnockerDolt said:
So I'm really interested in a Note 10.1 because I've always wanted a tablet with a proper stylus. There are however a few questions I want to ask before I commit to buying one.
First, how is the build quality of it? I've read quite a few reviews where they say the build quality is not that good? What's your experience of it? Is it as bad as the reviewers say?
Second, How is Touchwiz? I've herd quiet a few complaints that it cripples the majority of Samsung's products and the Note 10.1 is no exception.
Finally, and probably the most important thing for me, is the S-Pen. How is that? I've seen a few videos on YouTube displaying it and it does look good but what are your views about it? Have you come across any problems with it?
Also are there any other problems you've had? Browsing the Q&A forum, it does appear to be quite problem prone.
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First: Build qualit may not be super deluxe style but its good, abit slippery though so watch out.
Second: TW isnt that bad, its not perfect (What you define as perfect is totally up to you) , but it works.
Finally: S-Pen is wonderful. I always seem to press the button on the pen, it annoys me like hell sometimes. Responsive and pretty fast. Ive noticed some problems on JB but its not pen related i guess.. The text Im writing dissapears too fast and it starts with a capital letter for some reason, Ive to type pretty fast.
Besides that, abit too lowres screen and OK camera its a superb tablet.
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First: Build qualit may not be super deluxe style but its good, abit slippery though so watch out.
Second: TW isnt that bad, its not perfect (What you define as perfect is totally up to you) , but it works.
Finally: S-Pen is wonderful. I always seem to press the button on the pen, it annoys me like hell sometimes. Responsive and pretty fast. Ive noticed some problems on JB but its not pen related i guess.. The text Im writing dissapears too fast and it starts with a capital letter for some reason, Ive to type pretty fast.
Besides that, abit too lowres screen and OK camera its a superb tablet.
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I'm upgrading from an iPad 2 and I think the res on that is fine so i'm not that fussed about the res. Thanks!
tcntad said:
First: Build qualit may not be super deluxe style but its good, abit slippery though so watch out.
Second: TW isnt that bad, its not perfect (What you define as perfect is totally up to you) , but it works.
Finally: S-Pen is wonderful. I always seem to press the button on the pen, it annoys me like hell sometimes. Responsive and pretty fast. Ive noticed some problems on JB but its not pen related i guess.. The text Im writing dissapears too fast and it starts with a capital letter for some reason, Ive to type pretty fast.
Besides that, abit too lowres screen and OK camera its a superb tablet.
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Its not an aluminium chassis... but then everyone complained when the GalaxyS2 came out that "the back is all plastic? no aluminium? cheap and tacky shoddy workmanship samsung" etc etc.
I've had my S2 for over a year, and its as sturdy as it ever was. Aluminium is solid, and its heavy, and it is certainly not a necessity. The build of the note so far (for me, anyway) has been absolutely fine. no give, no creaking.
I havent even noticed touchwiz really. Seems just like every other touch system. You swipe to change pages. Press apps, apps open. It works.
The S-Pen is the main reason I bought this tablet, and so far it seems to do the job just fine. Much easier than using the finger-thick stylus on the ipad (my previous tablet). If you want a wacom digitiser in your tablet pc, then there is really no other choice.
Depends what you want a tablet for really. I wanted one I could use for artwork, and the Note is the best for that.
If you just want to browse and play games, I'd probably say to get a Nexus 10.
You say you want a proper stylus though, and for the price theres no contest. I believe theres a samsung pro tablet that runs windows, with a stylus etc (someone told me it was an alternative option when I was looking at the note), but it was over £600 in the UK, which is almost 3x the price of the Note here.
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Its not an aluminium chassis... but then everyone complained when the GalaxyS2 came out that "the back is all plastic? no aluminium? cheap and tacky shoddy workmanship samsung" etc etc.
I've had my S2 for over a year, and its as sturdy as it ever was. Aluminium is solid, and its heavy, and it is certainly not a necessity. The build of the note so far (for me, anyway) has been absolutely fine. no give, no creaking.
I havent even noticed touchwiz really. Seems just like every other touch system. You swipe to change pages. Press apps, apps open. It works.
The S-Pen is the main reason I bought this tablet, and so far it seems to do the job just fine. Much easier than using the finger-thick stylus on the ipad (my previous tablet). If you want a wacom digitiser in your tablet pc, then there is really no other choice.
Depends what you want a tablet for really. I wanted one I could use for artwork, and the Note is the best for that.
If you just want to browse and play games, I'd probably say to get a Nexus 10.
You say you want a proper stylus though, and for the price theres no contest. I believe theres a samsung pro tablet that runs windows, with a stylus etc (someone told me it was an alternative option when I was looking at the note), but it was over £600 in the UK, which is almost 3x the price of the Note here.
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I want it for note taking and a bit of sketching so a stylus is a nessesity. Tried a stylus on my iPad 2 but it was awful and unaccurate.
Omg, please stop using quote from the post right above... :banghead:
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Omg, please stop using quote from the post right above... :banghead:
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Why, It outlines what we're referring too...
As for the note, It has good build quality, I've no problem on the 4 I bought, 1 for me, 1 for brother and a couple for friends... All grey and no creaking... You'll probably put it in a folder case anyway for safety and ease of carrying.
S-pen works great, not the best artist but I had the capacitive stylus and the s-pen is so far out of that ballpark its embarrassing to capacitive stylii everywhere...
Screen is actually quite good for colours, it looks like samsung really tweaked the graphics to get the best out of their hardware. Apparently there can be lightbleed on the white tab but can't say I've noticed any problem on my grey one....
Up to you if you want to get the 3g or wifi-only tab, 3g works quite well and being able to make phone calls from my note 10.1 is just awesome, add to that the bluetooth stylus and its really a good combo, no more star trek wannabe with a bluetooth headset hanging off my ear and the stylus is really no different than having that retro handset that seems to be the rage atm.... Better really as you can put it in your pocket like a pen... Also, no embarrasing conversations with the world as your audience....
Can have up to a 64gb sd card to save all you wonderful creations, music, videos and books (work files too if you have any room left)...
I have the 32gb internal 3g variant. That gives a whopping 96gb of storage.... Almost enough but I still push the boundaries of wanting more....
Having the floating apps are good when you need to be able to do 2 things at once, at this point I haven't seen any other tablet that multitasks..
I like it and have no regrets on this purchase... Best out there atm...
Thanks for the info! I've decided to take the plunge and get one. Got the grey Wifi 16GB version and should arrive tomorrow! Looking forward to using it!
Just an FYI - if you already have a wacom tablet, I have the bamboo, you may be able to use the pen from it on your note 10.1 too... This is good if you prefer the feel of a normal pen/pencil over the short square pen that's supplied.... There's nothing wrong with it but I personally prefer the feel of the bluetooth stylus because it is more like a pen...
And if you get a case it may be an idea to look at getting something that can store a wacom pen, in case you get one later...
And trust me, you'll love the note....
The build quality is good in the sense that it's all held together and it hasn't fallen apart on anyone yet in the 4 months that it has been out. Okay.
The build quality is not good in the sense that the chassis has flex and it groans when picking it up. The underside is also flexible plastic. It doesn't feel like a solid slab like the ipad and therefore inspire the same confidence in handling it.
But really, it doesn't matter because the pen input makes this tablet. If you need it then you won't mind the build quality.
Stick it in a good case and you won't care whether it's made of plastic or rubber.
Recommend any good ones? I prefer the folio cases.
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F The text Im writing dissapears too fast.
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There is a setting you can change for thism and I belice it is called recognition time. Keyboard settings/handwriting and the recognition time. Oh and you click on handwriting for the menu.
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Recommend any good ones? I prefer the folio cases.
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There are a couple threads around discussing cases.
Poetic has a decent line. You may want to get a case that allows portrait as well as landscape support, but that is up to you. Personally if I need portrait, I'll just hold the damn thing.
Got mine just the other day. I too was a little concerned about the build quality but also the screen, however it's fine in my opinion, comparable to the S2/S3 phones, plastic but solid enough, I get no creaks at all. I find the screen bright and sharp, no problems here at all.
I personally don't judge a table or any other device on the launcher as you can change and personalize that, I am happy with touchwiz though, its smooth and just works.
S - pen seems fine to me, there can be a little lag when you are moving quickly across the screen but you shouldn't really need to do that anyway, I find it very accurate and very usable.
I havent yet found any problems with the device as stock, although I had a cooked ROM in place about 30 mins after I got it home. If you can pickup one of these on a cashback offer you can get it for as little as £260-280, total bargain in my opinion.
Well I just got it today and so far it's awesome. That S-pen really is the best feature of it. Are there any essential apps I need? Also when is Jelly Bean for it going to be out in the UK? I've read a few posts but can't find a definitive answer.
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Are there any essential apps I need?
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1940731
As what other had said, just slip your GN to a solid and/or firm casing and it will becomes firm - exactly the same thing you will do with those aluminum-made tablets...
The screen resolution is not the same with an iPad or even Nexus 10 but it is not really that bad... it is decently watchable and usable, again, suitable for its purpose...
And the S pen functionality is simply the best in the market...
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