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Quad Cores on HOLD for the US (AT&T).

It seems that there are a few carriers out there still having a hard time working with the advancements of Quad-Core devices and though the processors being used (Tegra 3 chips) aren't what we're use too (Snapdragons) there are a few carriers worried about whether or not they will be able to write software right away either.
HTC One X phone gets quad-core CPU -- except in U.S.
Progress doesn't come without a price and in the case of the new HTC One X smartphone, the price of running on AT&T's 4G LTE network in the U.S. will be a downgrade from a quad-core processor to a dual-core CPU.
The HTC One X will sit at the top of a new line of One smartphones, which the Taiwanese electronics maker showed off for the first time at the Mobile World Congress event in Barcelona.
The One X will sport a huge 4.7-inch touchscreen with 1,280 x 720 pixel resolution, 32 gigabytes of built-in storage, 1 gigabyte of RAM and an 8-megapixel/1080p rear camera. It'll also run Google's Android Ice Cream Sandwich operating system, topped with HTC's Sense user interface.
And when it begins to arrive at retailers in April, the One X will be part of a growing trend in Android handsets that feature quad-core processors, except for the U.S. variation, which will be called the One XL in Asia and Australia.
The U.S. version, which will be sold by AT&T, will ship with a 1.5-gigahertz, dual-core Qualcomm Snapdragon processor rather than the quad-core Nvidia Tegra 3 processor. Dual-core is still plenty fast, but the difference is a bit disappointing as there are no quad-core phones sold here yet.
The reason for the CPU switcheroo is that Nvidia's processor lacked compatibility with AT&T's 4G LTE hardware when the One X was being developed. As first reported by CNet, phones with quad-core Tegra 3 chips and AT&T 4G LTE capability will arrive eventually, but the timing was off for the One X.
Another major feature for the One X and One XL will be the inclusion of Beats Audio, which HTC says will offer a better listening experience for music, videos and games. After all, what's the point of a $300-million deal with Beats By Dr. Dre if Beats Audio technology doesn't make it into your flagship phone?
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Story found here for more information and further links:http://www.latimes.com/business/tec...hanks-to-att-4g-lte-20120227,0,6217626.story
Personally my concern is that T-Mobile is picking up the One as well and even though T-Mo doesn't support LTE service this can still put us T-Mo customers at a disadvantage if the devices come to us as Dual-Cores. I've had my MT4G for a while now and though I got it for cheap money it's getting old as any phones life depletes in our community fairly fast considering the amount of flashing we all do, but with this being an option for the carriers including our own this might effect the cost between the Quad and Dual versions.
Well lets see where this puts us in a month or so but for now it looks like I'm buying a new extended-life battery online somewhere till the dust settles.
Example of what it should be.... But with a SD card slot....
HTC One X is an exquisite device that boasts the best of what current mobile technology has to offer, housing an NVIDIA quad-core Tegra 3 processor and featuring Android 4.0 with the HTC’s Sense 4.0 UI.
Other features of the HTC One X include:
Dimensions: 134.4 x 69.9 x 8.9 mm, 130 grams
Micro SIM
4.7″ HD LCD screen, with gorilla glass protection
1280×720 resolution
1.5 Ghz quad-core NVIDIA Tegra 3 processor
1 GB RAM
32 GB built-in memory, no microSD slot
8MP rear camera with ImageSense, 1.3MP front camera
WiFi 802.11 b/g/n
NFC support
1800 mAH battery
Beats Audio integration
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Interesting find I too wonder how all of this will turn out. I'd rather get it unlocked with quad. But I'm 14 and don't have that money haha.
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invasion2 said:
Interesting find I too wonder how all of this will turn out. I'd rather get it unlocked with quad. But I'm 14 and don't have that money haha.
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Well the concern is that all of these devices were to come solely as Quad Cores and there was a specific price point for it because of that, carriers in the US are known for changing the price point because they can get customers to pay the original price of the Quad Cores for the Dual Cores.
This pushes the price of the Quads up a little hitting our pockets and they realize our community will go after the better of the two, I think HTC should have just forced the carriers hand to work on the quad cores instead of giving them the option of downgrading the hardware.

Well T-Mobile is moving to LTE...invasion, I feel you pain bro, I wish I had enough money to buy an unlocked quad core but I would rather go to college lol. Anyway, I heard the quad core isn't better than the snapdragons
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invasion2 said:
Interesting find I too wonder how all of this will turn out. I'd rather get it unlocked with quad. But I'm 14 and don't have that money haha.
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You're 14?
And I'm in college and don't plan on spending that type of money on a phone ever, I'd much rather buy a tablet, which I will soon be doing. Going for the new Asus tabs as soon as they come out.

Orical said:
It seems that there are a few carriers out there still having a hard time working with the advancements of Quad-Core devices and though the processors being used (Tegra 3 chips) aren't what we're use too (Snapdragons) there are a few carriers worried about whether or not they will be able to write software right away either.
Story found here for more information and further links:http://www.latimes.com/business/tec...hanks-to-att-4g-lte-20120227,0,6217626.story
Personally my concern is that T-Mobile is picking up the One as well and even though T-Mo doesn't support LTE service this can still put us T-Mo customers at a disadvantage if the devices come to us as Dual-Cores. I've had my MT4G for a while now and though I got it for cheap money it's getting old as any phones life depletes in our community fairly fast considering the amount of flashing we all do, but with this being an option for the carriers including our own this might effect the cost between the Quad and Dual versions.
Well lets see where this puts us in a month or so but for now it looks like I'm buying a new extended-life battery online somewhere till the dust settles.
Example of what it should be.... But with a SD card slot....
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Don't be fooled by the number of cores a phones has. The AT&T One X has a next gen S4 Dual-core cpu which is based off the ARM A15 core unlike the Tegra 3 which based on ARM A9 cores. The Qualcomm S4 Dual-core are as fast and in some cases faster then Tegra 3 4+1 cpu's due to the newer chip design. Its not a downgrade by any means.
T-mobile is getting the One S. That particular phone has always been specked with the S4 Dual-core cpu and will be HSPA+ 42 capable.

How many times will I have to write it... It just means that your average journalist is no less stupid than your average customer, and can't do a basic research. It might be forgivable for customers, some of which are just 14-year-old kids with no understanding of anything, but it's less forgivable for journalists who should at least pretend having a brain.
Here's a comparison between dual-core S4 and quad-core T3 by Anandtech:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5563/qualcomms-snapdragon-s4-krait-vs-nvidias-tegra-3
Looks like Tegra3 will have a hard time even trying to keep up.
And the funniest thing is that One S, if HTC won't cripple it intentionally, will be way more powerful than One X - because it will have both the CPU speed advantage and, with lower resolution, GPU advantage.
Plus, it's VERY old news already.

Jack_R1 said:
How many times will I have to write it... It just means that your average journalist is no less stupid than your average customer, and can't do a basic research. It might be forgivable for customers, some of which are just 14-year-old kids with no understanding of anything, but it's less forgivable for journalists who should at least pretend having a brain.
Here's a comparison between dual-core S4 and quad-core T3 by Anandtech:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5563/qualcomms-snapdragon-s4-krait-vs-nvidias-tegra-3
Looks like Tegra3 will have a hard time even trying to keep up.
And the funniest thing is that One S, if HTC won't cripple it intentionally, will be way more powerful than One X - because it will have both the CPU speed advantage and, with lower resolution, GPU advantage.
Plus, it's VERY old news already.
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Its not worth it....

smooth3d said:
Don't be fooled by the number of cores a phones has. The AT&T One X has a next gen S4 Dual-core cpu which is based off the ARM A15 core unlike the Tegra 3 which based on ARM A9 cores. The Qualcomm S4 Dual-core are as fast and in some cases faster then Tegra 3 4+1 cpu's due to the newer chip design. Its not a downgrade by any means.
T-mobile is getting the One S. That particular phone has always been specked with the S4 Dual-core cpu and will be HSPA+ 42 capable.
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My intention of posting this is to show how the market is effected over a network of carriers and manufacturers when product is effected by the investment through marketing and demand, as it's stated in the main post the chips were not going to work with the software planed for them so in turn they changed the device to run a better core (though half of what was originally advertised) to prevent having to re-write the framework.
If the case were specific to the fact that the Tegra chips were going to be the problem then why not pony up for the quad core snapdragons and boost the price for the device as they always have in the past, it's not like they're worried about what their going to charge the consumer as that's never been the case. Personally I would have just waited for a contract deal and weighed my options when it was time, I'm not one to just run out and buy something just because the "Advertised public hype" says it's the best thing since sliced bread I wait to see what happens after the lust settles to get the facts.

Quad-core Snapdragons were not on the market yet (and you can see that there are no devices with those scheduled to arrive at the time of release for One X/S), thus they couldn't be utilized, making your point void. AFAIK, Qualcomm's competitor to T3 is dual-core S4, and this is what the device manufacturers will be choosing from, until the quad-core phone-oriented S4 will arrive. The current 8064 is not suggested for LTE phone configuration - read this article, it'll help to understand, why:
http://gigaom.com/mobile/qualcomm-no-quad-core-phones-at-mwc-but-well-have-something-better/
The carriers had their choice, and chose what they thought would suit them the best, considering the time-to-market, the potential performance/battery life differences etc. That some journalist thinks their choice was wrong - doesn't necessarily mean that it is.

Jack_R1 said:
Quad-core Snapdragons were not on the market yet (and you can see that there are no devices with those scheduled to arrive at the time of release for One X/S), thus they couldn't be utilized, making your point void. AFAIK, Qualcomm's competitor to T3 is dual-core S4, and this is what the device manufacturers will be choosing from, until the quad-core phone-oriented S4 will arrive. The current 8064 is not suggested for LTE phone configuration - read this article, it'll help to understand, why:
http://gigaom.com/mobile/qualcomm-no-quad-core-phones-at-mwc-but-well-have-something-better/
The carriers had their choice, and chose what they thought would suit them the best, considering the time-to-market, the potential performance/battery life differences etc. That some journalist thinks their choice was wrong - doesn't necessarily mean that it is.
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Obviously there's a miss communication on how marketing works here, even though they may not have had the option previously doesn't mean they don't have it now. Point is valid. Now that I think of it the Snapdragons have been around for the minimum of a year and the Tegra have been used for twice that and if you read the what you posted it doesn't say the tegra cant do it but it states that it would do it poorly draining battery. I agree with you on that but your missing my point entirely which is with the options they have their going to use other reasons to charge the consumer for over looked issues they can and have the ability to change now.
And another thing though it seems to be old news too you others still have yet to see it, this is why people don't post anything they read anymore because some people have no problem trying to shoot down anything posted before a discussion actually produces anything constructive.

Either I don't understand what you're talking about, or you don't understand how the market works - and I'm leaning for the 2nd option. For marketing to have something to show off and plan on, you have to have the actual HW (phone, that is) in the final readiness stage, which means that the HW has been developed for at least 1/2 year ahead of that time. 1 year from CPU manufacturing to phone sales is very good, 9 months is INCREDIBLY OUTSTANDING. Having the CPU ready at point X in time doesn't mean it can be used at that point - it means it can be used at the very least 9 months from that point. There are NO other phones and NOTHING to choose from 9 months ago - but the 2 choices you see now. The only other choice would be to skip international phone launch and wait until either T3+LTE modem combo of some kind is made functional (which could be already done, but we're talking 9 months time ahead, yes?), or to wait until Qualcomm prepares its quad-core for phones (which could also be already done, but again, 9 months ago it wasn't). So, let's see, what would you choose - participate in worldwide launch and use an equally powerful (if not even more powerful) version of the phone sporting LTE support to boot, which nobody else gets, or skip the launch. Oh well, let me think, a very hard choice, is it.
What also causes me to doubt you know what you're talking about, is the fact that Snapdragon-based phones have been around Android since Jan 2010 (Nexus One), and Tegra chipset saw first wide use only in its 2nd version, in Jan 2011 (Optimus 2X), a year later, and a couple more months till it was officially available in US. So it's actually 2 years of VERY widespread use for Snapdragon vs 1 year of spotty use (more tablets than phones - barely 2 phones or so, Atrix and Optimux 2X) for Tegra 2. Just the opposite of what you wrote.
For having smart discussions, there is a small prerequisite - both sides should know what they're talking about quite well. On this board, such a situation is rarely encountered. So sometimes it's better that people don't just run here posting everything they saw somewhere on the internet - especially if it's a 2nd-grade non-professional article in "business" section of some newspaper, and not a professional analysis article on one of the dedicated HW and Android-related sites.

Jack_R1 said:
Either I don't understand what you're talking about, or you don't understand how the market works - and I'm leaning for the 2nd option. For marketing to have something to show off and plan on, you have to have the actual HW (phone, that is) in the final readiness stage, which means that the HW has been developed for at least 1/2 year ahead of that time. 1 year from CPU manufacturing to phone sales is very good, 9 months is INCREDIBLY OUTSTANDING. Having the CPU ready at point X in time doesn't mean it can be used at that point - it means it can be used at the very least 9 months from that point. There are NO other phones and NOTHING to choose from 9 months ago - but the 2 choices you see now. The only other choice would be to skip international phone launch and wait until either T3+LTE modem combo of some kind is made functional (which could be already done, but we're talking 9 months time ahead, yes?), or to wait until Qualcomm prepares its quad-core for phones (which could also be already done, but again, 9 months ago it wasn't). So, let's see, what would you choose - participate in worldwide launch and use an equally powerful (if not even more powerful) version of the phone sporting LTE support to boot, which nobody else gets, or skip the launch. Oh well, let me think, a very hard choice, is it.
What also causes me to doubt you know what you're talking about, is the fact that Snapdragon-based phones have been around Android since Jan 2010 (Nexus One), and Tegra chipset saw first wide use only in its 2nd version, in Jan 2011 (Optimus 2X), a year later, and a couple more months till it was officially available in US. So it's actually 2 years of VERY widespread use for Snapdragon vs 1 year of spotty use (more tablets than phones - barely 2 phones or so, Atrix and Optimux 2X) for Tegra 2. Just the opposite of what you wrote.
For having smart discussions, there is a small prerequisite - both sides should know what they're talking about quite well. On this board, such a situation is rarely encountered. So sometimes it's better that people don't just run here posting everything they saw somewhere on the internet - especially if it's a 2nd-grade non-professional article in "business" section of some newspaper, and not a professional analysis article on one of the dedicated HW and Android-related sites.
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Wow how's that high perception of yourself. Im actually surprised how easy it is for you to judge a top paid news publicist. I'll just leave the rest for you to continue your rant on how well educated you are and how well business does for you.
I'm not some kid with nothing better to do than sit around and rant, I saw the post which I placed as a reason to see what people thought, it shows the type of people that come on line though.

"Top paid publicist" is paid to make news items, not objective analysis. Objective analysis mostly doesn't interest people, it doesn't play with their emotions (which is usually a prerequisite for creating interest). To make interesting news, you need to forcibly inflate just about any issue you're writing about, in such way that would steer people's emotions. This is exactly what you're seeing in the newspaper.
And yes, being a "top paid engineer" that happens to work in this industry, makes you kinda judgmental. I understand that you don't have valid arguments left. OK then.

hmm tmo updated their account app to support android 4.0

Bangincrazy said:
hmm tmo updated their account app to support android 4.0
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Lol, old news. I said this in one of the dev threads about a week ago. This means some device, whether it's the sensation about to update or the one s is about to come out on T-Mo soon, will give us official ICS on T-Mo, meaning we're going to get wifi calling for ICS finally.

iNew i6000 (and other Chinese 6.45" FHD phones) - $250

So lately I've been looking into gigantic Chinese phones, and I came across this one, a 6.45 inch, 1080p behemoth that goes by a variety of names:
Orientphone Mega 6.5
iNew i6000
Actwell i6000
Firefly T65
Carpad V65
And probably some others. The cheapest I've been able to find was Mode edit: link to commercial site removed[/url].
Anyway, they're all gigantic phones with the Xperia Z U screen (?) but slower internal hardware, specifically an MT6589T quad-core 1.5Ghz processor and either 1 or 2 gigs of ram. They get an Antutu score of 14k-ish (for the 1 gig version), according to an earlier post on Gizchina.
Anyway, I'm thinking of getting one, and I wanted to ask if anyone else has one, or if any devs are thinking of getting one. They strike me as a much better buy than the Samsung Galaxy Mega 6.3, which has an inferior screen and is close to $300 more expensive. My biggest qualm is the fact that the operating system probably won't ever be upgraded, unless the XDA people get to it.
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iNew i6000/Firefly v65 roms!
Stock: http://www.filefactory.com/file/1ejjgtpjprzr/i6000_Stock_Backup.zip

I'm waiting to hear actual user feedback on these phones before I order one. Promotional videos from resellers don't really tell me if you need the 1 gig or 2 gig ram version. After hearing about the problems with the 1gig Huawei Ascend mate im a bit hesitant.

I would love to know more about this phone a I am considering it.
It looks lovely anyhow, especially the black one.

Definitely the black looks better.

laggy browsing?
I was ready to buy one until I saw this video. Look at it browsing the National Geographic from 1:17 onwards. I don't know if Adobe Flash has something to do with it but the performance looks poor. Also the screen and app drawer swiping looks to not be as instant as on my Nexus 4.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDffLX4nzMY&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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Look at the stuttering from 8:45 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ccf1r5jaOLM&feature=youtube_gdata_player

the black looks better :laugh::fingers-crossed:

cmit37 said:
I was ready to buy one until I saw this video. Look at it browsing the National Geographic from 1:17 onwards. I don't know if Adobe Flash has something to do with it but the performance looks poor. Also the screen and app drawer swiping looks to not be as instant as on my Nexus 4.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDffLX4nzMY&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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Look at the stuttering from 8:45 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ccf1r5jaOLM&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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I wouldn't be concerned about that stuttering as it looks like a youtube issue. I have seen plenty of videos of its hd playback which all looked fine. I'm pretty sure that getting the 2gb ram version would help with any slowdowns as well.

Well, I'm pretty sure that it's going to have more lag than the Nexus 4, which is a premium smartphone and also has a much smaller screen to power. Antutu scores I've seen have been in the 13.5k-14k range, whereas Google tells me that the Nexus 4 is 15k-ish, I think? That's actually a smaller gap than I thought it would be, especially given that the Antutu scores I've seen for the iNew have been for the 1Gb version. But anyway, yeah, these phones are not going to compete with the Nexus series for power, but they're also somewhat cheaper and, of course, have much bigger screens.
By the way, there is a new Chinese smartphone in this category: the Goophone S4 Mega. They seem to only come in the 2 gig variant, but can be found for just north of $300. The best price I've seen for the iNew was $265 after shipping, so there's about a $40 price premium for the extra RAM.

Parcae said:
Well, I'm pretty sure that it's going to have more lag than the Nexus 4, which is a premium smartphone and also has a much smaller screen to power. Antutu scores I've seen have been in the 13.5k-14k range, whereas Google tells me that the Nexus 4 is 15k-ish, I think? That's actually a smaller gap than I thought it would be, especially given that the Antutu scores I've seen for the iNew have been for the 1Gb version. But anyway, yeah, these phones are not going to compete with the Nexus series for power, but they're also somewhat cheaper and, of course, have much bigger screens.
By the way, there is a new Chinese smartphone in this category: the Goophone S4 Mega. They seem to only come in the 2 gig variant, but can be found for just north of $300. The best price I've seen for the iNew was $265 after shipping, so there's about a $40 price premium for the extra RAM.
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Good find on that Goophone mega. I'm sure its just another rebranding, but with 2gig ram standard for $309.00 from their webstore its a good deal.

I am not sure if these phablets represent value when you can buy the premium Nexus 4 for $350 from Google Play. The 2GB versions of the 6.5"Chinese phablets including delivery work out to a similar price.
At $250 for the 2GB version I might give them a go but not at the current price.
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cmit37 said:
I am not sure if these phablets represent value when you can buy the premium Nexus 4 for $350 from Google Play. The 2GB versions of the 6.5"Chinese phablets including delivery work out to a similar price.
At $250 for the 2GB version I might give them a go but not at the current price.
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A bit overpriced for china devices. I agree with your Nexus 4 point.

Wow I fan of gaint phones, but look like non of it have LTE or Wimax only 3g
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anazhd said:
A bit overpriced for china devices. I agree with your Nexus 4 point.
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I agree, but you can't get a large screen device for a really cheap price. And the nexus 4 is a 4.7 inch screen and simply doesn't compare. If you want a similar chinese phone with a 4.7 inch screen you can get something that costs less than $200, as long as you don't need LTE.

Yeah, these phones are meant to compete with the Galaxy Mega, which is currently $500-ish and has worse specs. The Nexus 4 would definitely have better performance, but costs $100 more than the cheapest price I've seen for the 1GB version ($265 with shipping) and has a much, much smaller screen.
It's basically all about how much you want a giant phone. For me, the closest competitor is the first-gen Galaxy Note, which is about $200 used on Ebay and, of course, has better connectivity in the US (as with most Chinese phones, none of the vendors seem to be certain whether the iNew supports the 1900Mhz baseband) as well as basically guaranteed OS updates via Cyanogenmod.

Nothing else like it
if you're like me and want a real phablet, there's nothing else like this one.
1st - carpad t65 is something else. An older-gen-look (generic-looking) phone. The iNew is much better looking, has stereo speakers (chinese speakers are lousy so the carpad's single should be useless for speakerphone, let alone listening to music).
Goophone is not out yet. The demo pics are fake (you san see the samsung logo photoshopped out) and not too sure about the video. Maybe a Galaxy Mega 6.3 shown next to a 5.7, or maybe it's real - but not on sale yet.
The i6000 has the same screen as Sony's Togari phablet which is yet to be launched. Much better specs than the Galaxy Mega 6.3 or the much smaller Note 2. Also, FHD is a must on a screen this big.
And the Nexus 4 is tiny in comparison.
A good competitor would be the ViVo xplay - only it's "only" 5.7", pricier, and won't connect to the network I'm using.
I really want this phone - only problem is they're sold out on Black phones and 2/32GB phones, and I really don't want a 1/16GB white one. Will wait patiently.

Anyone can confirm what WCDMA band it supports? From the inew website it supports 850 and 2100 only, that means no 3G speed on AT&T and T-Mobile.

The Goophone S4 Mega seems to have a 2400mAh battery and for a 6.4-inch FHD screen that seems a bit on the small side.
I've asked several Chinese retailers when a black iNew i6000 2G/32GB will be available and I am waiting for replies.

Got mine yesterday (inew 1gb version) And I have to say. Quality seems good and performance in chrome beta is very good as well.
Color reproduction seems decent, screen has clear backlight bleeding and readability in the sun is do-able but not good.
No real issue so far.
Also good 3g performance here in Holland with Vodafone

Brilliant - actual user review.
Where did you buy it from? What other phone do you have/are you familiar with and how are you finding the overall performance compared with it?
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cmit37 said:
Brilliant - actual user review.
Where did you buy it from? What other phone do you have/are you familiar with and how are you finding the overall performance compared with it?
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I bought it via aliExpress
My previous phone was a note II. Compared to that the performance is a bit lower but mostly to aggressive memory management. (apps in the background close quite quickly).
I have not rooted it yet. I first have asked iNew how to factory reset it in case of a error first.

US based site reviews are starting to pile in

"Major" reviews appearing now that the Oct 1 embargo is being lifted:
Android Central: Samsung Galaxy Note 3 review (European version) | Android Central
Droid-Life: http://www.droid-life.com/2013/10/01/samsung-galaxy-note-3-review/
The Verge: Samsung Galaxy Note 3 review | The Verge
Engadget: Samsung Galaxy Note 3 review (global edition)
Ars: Review: The Galaxy Note 3 is big
BGR: http://bgr.com/2013/10/01/samsung-galaxy-note-3-review/
Gizmodo: http://gizmodo.com/samsung-galaxy-note-3-review-biggerer-and-betterer-1432786715
CNET: Samsung Galaxy Note 3 Review - Watch CNET's Video Review
Phandroid: http://phandroid.com/2013/10/01/galaxy-note-3-review/
Washington Post: http://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...f8f3f2-2a91-11e3-97a3-ff2758228523_story.html
TechnoBuffalo (FI): http://www.technobuffalo.com/videos/samsung-galaxy-note-3-first-impressions/
ZDNet: http://www.zdnet.com/samsung-galaxy...droid-smartphone-gets-even-better-7000021366/
GigOm: http://gigaom.com/2013/10/01/galaxy-note-3-review-to-ink-or-not-to-ink-that-is-the-question/

Phandroid: http://phandroid.com/2013/10/01/samsung-galaxy-note-3-review/

Anandtech - http://www.anandtech.com/show/7376/samsung-galaxy-note-3-review

Maverick777 said:
Anandtech - http://www.anandtech.com/show/7376/samsung-galaxy-note-3-review
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As always, great job from Anand. Also it was great to see that he had the Tmous edition.

ceroglu said:
As always, great job from Anand. Also it was great to see that he had the Tmous edition.
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I agree. I'm eagerly awaiting picking up my Note 3 from the T-mobile store tomorrow morning.

Maverick777 said:
I agree. I'm eagerly awaiting picking up my Note 3 from the T-mobile store tomorrow morning.
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I already pre-ordered, but lools like you will get your hands on it before the people who pre-ordered. I don't even know why it is called pre-order if there is no benefits to it!

ceroglu said:
I already pre-ordered, but lools like you will get your hands on it before the people who pre-ordered. I don't even know why it is called pre-order if there is no benefits to it!
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Yeah. I learned my lesson from previous devices with T-mobile. It's pretty much always better to just wait at the store. Unless you're getting an iPhone. The wait at the store is not really that bad considering how many locations there are. Also because there are so many android devices to choose from, the demand for any particular launch is not nearly as crazy as an iPhone release.

Only anandtech have 1 line and dare to say in them review that this phone is Region lock. It is not the sim lock. it is region lock.
the other website is not mention it at all.
I do not know that they not aware of this problem(Maybe they get the box without the sticker.) or they just avoid to mention it.

iPhonearena has given a strange review once again.

Thank god for Engadget's review of this device
Per Engadget:
The benefit of the newer connector is that it improves the effective / usable data rate from around 280 Mbps to 4 Gbps.
Good news if you like to move big chunks of data around this way, but we're not sure if the benefit offsets the somewhat uglier connection
http://www.engadget.com/2013/09/30/samsung-galaxy-note-3-review/
Who in their right mind judges the functionality of something this significant based on looks?
How is this person still employed as a reviewer...

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Per Engadget:
The benefit of the newer connector is that it improves the effective / usable data rate from around 280 Mbps to 4 Gbps.
Good news if you like to move big chunks of data around this way, but we're not sure if the benefit offsets the somewhat uglier connection
http://www.engadget.com/2013/09/30/samsung-galaxy-note-3-review/
Who in their right mind judges the functionality of something this significant based on looks?
How is this person still employed as a reviewer...
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Good catch. That's moronic. A lot of the reviewers on the major sites shouldn't be employed, unfortunately.
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You don't need any of these it's just brilliant

Maverick777 said:
Yeah. I learned my lesson from previous devices with T-mobile. It's pretty much always better to just wait at the store. Unless you're getting an iPhone. The wait at the store is not really that bad considering how many locations there are. Also because there are so many android devices to choose from, the demand for any particular launch is not nearly as crazy as an iPhone release.
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From all I've seen the pre-order is good for only 1 circumstance. If there are a limited number of shops expecting the phone in your area, with a very small number of phones coming to each, and a very high demand expected, then a preorder would get you a phone shipped for a slower but more certain delivery.
They never said the preorder was for early release, that was an assumption/wish on the part of impatient buyers.
I called 2 t-mobile stores last night to verify stocks. They wouldn't say how many phones they have on hand, but one clerk said "Plenty, you don't need to hurry in". At the other store the clerk said I should be there when they open. That store is known to get fewer handsets in stock, but some have suggested they just want credit for the sale on their early shift.
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Too bad some of the American tech review sites are heavily biased toward Apple products against other non-American companies. See The Verge reviews for Note 3, Xperia Z1 and LG G2 and compare them to their reviews for IPhone 5S/5C for example. They are so biased it's not even funny.

It is urgently needed a scientific degree for some of the reviewers. There are too many stupid arguments and contradictions in their reviews.

grifter9931 said:
Per Engadget:
The benefit of the newer connector is that it improves the effective / usable data rate from around 280 Mbps to 4 Gbps.
Good news if you like to move big chunks of data around this way, but we're not sure if the benefit offsets the somewhat uglier connection
http://www.engadget.com/2013/09/30/samsung-galaxy-note-3-review/
Who in their right mind judges the functionality of something this significant based on looks?
How is this person still employed as a reviewer...
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LOL agreed!

finally a site that acknowledges just how much you get more value for your money when compared to a phone like the 5s (well most of that knew that already i guess)
http://www.sacbee.com/2013/10/01/5784310/techinsights-stacks-apple-iphone.html
Both devices are LTE based smartphones and both are available on a two year contract for $299.991 or without contract for $799.992, but that is where the similarities end.
TechInsights' cost estimates place the 32 GB version of the iPhone 5s at $200 to make vs. the 32 GB Samsung Galaxy Note 3 at $237.50. So, which device would be the better buy for the customer? Clearly Samsung is placing more money into the Galaxy Note 3, but what does the customer get for that money?
Let's compare costs by function:
Display: The iPhone 5s is an evolution of the iPhone 5 and sports a 4 inch IPS TFT display with 1136 x 640 pixels. In contrast the Galaxy Note 3 contains a 5.7 inch Super AMOLED display with 1920 x 1080 full HD display. The Galaxy Note 3 display is bigger, sports a brighter display based on AMOLED technology and is full HD. Likewise, the cost of the Galaxy Note 3 display/touch system is approximately $32 more than that of the iPhone 5s.
Battery: The battery pack in the Note 3 is over twice the capacity of the iPhone 5s. One would expect the Galaxy Note 3 would handily outperform the iPhone 5s with battery life, but based on power consumption, that may not be the case. At any rate, the cost of the battery pack is about double that of the iPhone 5s.
Camera: The Galaxy Note 3 packs more megapixels in their cameras, but the iPhone 5s has focused their attention on things like low light conditions and increasing software augmented camera features, such as slow motion. Given the different focuses, we believe the camera costs are a wash.
Processor The Galaxy Note 3 uses a 2.3 GHz quad-core, 32 bit ARMv7 processor compared to a 1.3 GHz dual-core, 64 bit ARMv8 processor in the iPhone 5s. The Galaxy Note 3 wins the race for pure horsepower and it does so while saving about $12.50 compared to the iPhone 5s.
Overall, Samsung has delivered superior value with the features that are most important to the customer – better display and a faster processor.
Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/2013/10/01/5784310/techinsights-stacks-apple-iphone.html#storylink=cpy

Absolutely, some of the sites are sponsored by Apple to give a less than favorable review like The Verge. Furthermore, it's reviewed by an iPhone owning d-bag and one of the cons he listed is the device is too big. Reality is about 80% of the world think the iPhone is too small.

camera shootout .. I haven't seen this one posted here yet
http://asia.cnet.com/smartphone-cam...-galaxy-note-3-vs-sony-xperia-z1-62222509.htm

Chinese phones & their influence

Hi everyone
I'm new to the mobile phone scene but after a bit of research on deciding which phones to invest in I've noticed something; Chinese phones (not easily available in Western countries) have better specs and prices compared with the phones we have from brands like Samsung, Apple, HTC, Sony etc.
I'm talking about Vivo phones, Xiaomi etc. These phones routinely have 16mp cameras with OIS, large 2.0 (or even bigger) sensors, full HD or QHD 5 to 6" screens, 2 to 3GB of RAM, very large front facing cameras (5 to 8mp with flash, 1080P recording), Snapdragon 805 chips and batteries 3500mh+. All this in bodies thinner than 7mm (in some cases, the low5mm range). Many have aluminium chassis too.
Im wondering why we still see phones from Samsung, HTC, Apple and even the Nexus 6 (which is supposed to be absolutely premium in specs & quality) selling for such high prices but with specs lower than the Chinese phones. Surly Samsung & these other brands can release a phone, keep their prices the same but match or exceed the specs of these Chinese phones.
Why does the Galaxy S5 have a comparably low front facing camera, smaller battery and is thicker than these Chinese phones? Or the Nexus 6 - why is the FF camera smaller, why is the rear camera smaller, why does it have a smaller battery and why is it so much thicker? Surly these phones could match the specs of the Chinese phones.
Example: The upcoming VIVO PD1305 rumoured specs (below) should best (or at least match) the Nexus 6 in every respect. Thinner, same chipset, same amount of RAM, better front and rear cameras, stereo speakers, NFC, larger battery etc. Why couldn't Google have these specs in the Nexus 6 and sell it at the current price? The VIVO is expected to be cheaper by $100+. The specs are leaked; previous VIVO leaked specs matched very closely to the final product and there is strong evidence to support that this new VIVO phone's specs will match to the leaked specs as all the technology has been around for a short while now.
Basically what I'm trying to establish is why the Western market is so full of overpriced phones which can't complete on every front with cheaper Chinese phones? Will Samsung etc actually match or best these Chinese phones in terms of specs?
Specs:
6-inch IPS display with 2560×1440 resolution and 490ppi
5.68mm (0.22") thin
162g (5.71 ounces) weight
Snapdragon 805 processor with 3GB of RAM
32GB of internal storage with a microSD card slot that goes up to 128GB
13MP rear camera with optical image stabilization (OIS) and dual-LED flash, 8MP front camera with 88-degree wide view lens
Dedicated ES9018 and OPA2604 audio chips
NFC
LTE Radio support (confirmed at some sources; still in debate as it is useless in China)
Wireless charging
Basic water resistance
Heart rate monitor and a fingerprint trace the source function
3500mAh battery
NOTE: Before anyone says it - that most Chinese phones don't support LTE networks - from some reading there is talk that the latest and upcoming Chinese manufacturers are including support for LTE networks as their market expands. So, they are covering ground fast and innovating far faster than any of the phones we see in our Western markets.
In my opinion the specs for the latest Chinese phones (especially for the VIVO listed) put the Nexus 6 and its rivals to shame. A bit sad.

The problem with these chinese phones is, that you hardly have any warranty.

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The problem with these chinese phones is, that you hardly have any warranty.
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Who needs a warranty for a hundred dollar thing...?
Never thought about this question, but now i am really thinking that it's a great idea to buy Chinese phones!
i have had a friend that bought a phone, he was using it for two months until i told him that it is a Chinese device.......

Newyork! said:
Who needs a warranty for a hundred dollar thing...?
Never thought about this question, but now i am really thinking that it's a great idea to buy Chinese phones!
i have had a friend that bought a phone, he was using it for two months until i told him that it is a Chinese device.......
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Okay, maybe you are right, but you have hardly any support and if its an chinese phone who hardly anyone has, you can be sure you will not get any updates.

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Okay, maybe you are right, but you have hardly any support and if its an chinese phone who hardly anyone has, you can be sure you will not get any updates.
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When i buy a old Motorola phone i also don't have any support or updates....
For 100 dollars or lower it pays!

Newyork! said:
When i buy a old Motorola phone i also don't have any support or updates....
For 100 dollars or lower it pays!
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Ok you are right and if you are lucky and buy a chinese phone with an large userbase it pays twice because you get support by the community around that phone

[Q] Chinese Budget Mid-Range phones - Help me to choose ! ;)

Hey guys,
I would like to start a discussion that would aggregate meta-data available on the Chinese budget phones under £200 with mid-range specs, firstly in order to help me ,but also others to decide the correct one as there is scarcity of reviews and lots of them are paid for stubs and contain lots of misleading data.
I have spent last two weeks researching on my leisure the best possible option for the chinese budget mid-range purchase. I have been hoping to get a device priced well under £200 that would field a solid camera, 4G (800mhz) ,superb hardware perf. CPU, GPU and GPS, have solid battery 2700mh+ (ideally with quick charge function) have appealing design and ideally max up to 5" of display size with the Lollipop upgradeability.
I have seen and read lots of reviews including yours and concluded on following:
- Mediatek did really break out of its shackles and these new 64bit SoCs ARM A53 Cortex with 6732 and 6752 are real deal breakers, so I have found a plenty of quad core 5" phones that satisfy my hunger for the performance stuffed by features - >
- Kingzone N3 Plus , Elephone P6000 (and possibly P3000s) , Lenovo P70 and also a bit more expensive Zopo ZP920 magic.
--- > now from what I have seen about these devices they are united under one oblivious problem that I cannot simply overlook despite being on low budget. And that is the overall quality of their cameras. Here we can easily conclude that they generally suck, although Zopo Zp920 is one of the favourites together with ZTE Blade S6 ,but here had battery life really swept all my hopes into oblivion. One of the issues I ve found here is that almost every budget manufacturer simply loves to overstate the resolution capability of these phones, I have been digging deeper just to find out that Elephone and Kingzone simply equip their devices with a lower quality Omnivision or Sony (ElE has even issued two different sensors for the same phone due to shortage of stock) that are really just 8Mpx interpolated to 13 MPx. I have not seen many useful reviews for N3 Plus despite it's appealing design and functions comparable to P3000s, but I assume the camera problem will be exactly the same (as it is with the alleged overstated battery capacity). Despite this problematic, I have found out that the camera on P6000 is kind of controversial.
P6000 is slacked as most of the same priced phones for underperformance in low light situations., however, I have found several contrasting reviews that even claim that its low light/night images are even better that on the famous Xiaomi Mi4. From pics I ve seen I wonder whether the varying quality can be a result of different sensors used or for example that pictures have been taken on its native 8MPx res rather then extrapolated 13MPx . I am writing this really because, P6000 seems to be after all my best choice together with its 32bit brother P3000s. I have tried to look out for some comparison between these two especially camera wise (talking about rear cameras, as I am not really that concerned about the front ones), but I failed. Problem is that Ele nor reviewers really state what sensors are these phones using. But P6000 seems (at least from some outdoors pictures) quite sharper and with better dynamic range, but I am still undecided.
Is camera on these phones also fixable software wise as I am not really into vanilla camera apps.
Now first questions on you. Firstly, do you know about any device currently priced under £200 that would match my criteria or at least that would have really exceptional camera for this price range ? Is Elephone P6000 superior to P3000s in terms of performance and camera or are they pretty much comparable ? Also how much of difference we talking in terms of GPU between Mali T450-M4 and T760 M2 ? It seems that finding a solid camera that would boast at least with pretty standard Exmor 214 sensor with a solid battery life is almost impossible, or I have largely overlooked something.
I also understand that if camera wise my 5" quest would prove unsuccessful I will have to go phablet wise and I am although kinda reluctantly to do so. Here I have researched my field on comparable level.
My finalists are Jiayu S3 , Kingzone Z1 and Eco E04 Aurora (P7000 and M1 are excluded as they re not supporting my LTE band 20) On E04 side I am quite baffled as it initially looked as a superb device , but many responses pointed out its inaccurate GPS and also camera seems to be exaggerated as 16MPx with unknown sensor model. I have seen some really great shots, but also some not very good - again probably due to extrapolation perhaps. Also it only comes with 2GB at the moment and without NFC support. So in phablet side S3 seems to be the king - yet, I have seen some really crap videos took on this devices, where reviewer admitted that this is a firmware error and that fix is on its way, so the S3 leaves me with the only really big concern and that is the battery recharge time that is apparently the slowest around here (up to 4hrs !!! ) which again made my enthusiasm cease. And then we have here Kingzone Z1. Apart from only HD display, it is stuffed with features and seems to be a direct competitor for all 5.5s of its price range. However, despite being out there are no reviews that I can hold on, so for me this device also represents a great unknown.
Equally, I have been checking camera comparison for the upper-midrange flagships like Meizu Mx4 and OnePlusOne just to find out that not even these guys despite their renown are capable of great shots under low-light conditions.
Also I am in a preference of 64bit processors especially the new Mediatek 6732 and 6752. I am ready for your tips and advices, also if you can bring in links to some camera comparisons among these phones and more in depth reviews I d be glad. Also will happy if you bring up some real data about camera sensors and other modules that are under suspicion to be lies presented by manufacturers.
And if you own any of the phones mentioned, state a brief overview about their pro/cons.
Waiting forward to your responses
Thanks
Six

HUAWEI fanboy here. :thumbup:
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I recently discovered Xiaomi and think I will never go back! Good quality and low prices
I have RedMi Note 4G which is a fairly perfect phone for its price range. Never had a problem. It hasn't 800 MHz LTE though, but it's worth checking out other Xiaomi phones too.
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Also, I would reccomend avoid mediatek devices if you can. They are generally poorer in video performance than Qualcomm / Intel ones. I had a huawei G700, while specs say it's a great phone in my experience it was not. Lags and slowness was frequent issues.
Mediatek also has a bad reputation in open source community, modding/upgrading/installing recovery and custom ROMs would be impossible or at least harder.
I am very happy with my Xiaomi and maybe you could be too!

udda90 said:
I recently discovered Xiaomi and think I will never go back! Good quality and low prices
I have RedMi Note 4G which is a fairly perfect phone for its price range. Never had a problem. It hasn't 800 MHz LTE though, but it's worth checking out other Xiaomi phones too.
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Also, I would reccomend avoid mediatek devices if you can. They are generally poorer in video performance than Qualcomm / Intel ones. I had a huawei G700, while specs say it's a great phone in my experience it was not. Lags and slowness was frequent issues.
Mediatek also has a bad reputation in open source community, modding/upgrading/installing recovery and custom ROMs would be impossible or at least harder.
I am very happy with my Xiaomi and maybe you could be too!
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I got a Xiaomi Mi Note (Dual Sim and dual 4G) from China recently, which is fast (3G RAM), smooth (iphone style ROM) and good quality and just a little over £200.
But please bear in mind that it only supports FDD-LTE B3/B7, which means if your carrier is Vodafone UK (I'm in the UK by the way) you can not use LTE outside of London,Manchester and Birmingham.
(I don't have permission to post an outside link yet, but if wiki 'LTE-Advanced' you can see Vodafone UK is using B20 throughout the UK and B7 in 3 cities an the moment)
Only 3 and EE use LTE B3/B7.

GeorgeZZzz said:
I got a Xiaomi Mi Note (Dual Sim and dual 4G) from China recently, which is fast (3G RAM), smooth (iphone style ROM) and good quality and just a little over £200.
But please bear in mind that it only supports FDD-LTE B3/B7, which means if your carrier is Vodafone UK (I'm in the UK by the way) you can not use LTE outside of London,Manchester and Birmingham.
(I don't have permission to post an outside link yet, but if wiki 'LTE-Advanced' you can see Vodafone UK is using B20 throughout the UK and B7 in 3 cities an the moment)
Only 3 and EE use LTE B3/B7.
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In the end I went with Jiyau S3 Advanced, bout £160 and I cannot complain. Flashed it into Flyme OS and man this machine rocks the socks ! The resurrection of Mediatek - this 64bit M6752 Octacore smites Snapdragon 610 with an easy apparently.
Also camerawise - Sony Exmor IMAX 214 RS really delivers the promise - Removable battery makes it a dream. After 2 weeks of research, I am only happy I did not fell for anyother device, - plus supports Band 20 /800 Mhz @4G so it's GiffGaff & O2 ready.

Xiaomi phones are pretty good in many aspects. I'm planning on getting one in the near future. Some of my friends have Xiaomi devices and so far they haven't had any complaints.

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In the end I went with Jiyau S3 Advanced, bout £160 and I cannot complain. Flashed it into Flyme OS and man this machine rocks the socks ! The resurrection of Mediatek - this 64bit M6752 Octacore smites Snapdragon 610 with an easy apparently.
Also camerawise - Sony Exmor IMAX 214 RS really delivers the promise - Removable battery makes it a dream. After 2 weeks of research, I am only happy I did not fell for anyother device, - plus supports Band 20 /800 Mhz @4G so it's GiffGaff & O2 ready.
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Good for you. I'm still looking for the solution to unlcok LTE B20 on my Xiaomi MI Note LTE...
This post is not working for me...:crying:

yea, i'd look into the xiaomi options. it's surely gonna be my next purchase, although im also a bit of a lenovo fan.
now i have a jiayu g2f, i spent about 100 dollars on it at the time. i can say that it beats the quality of my previous(samsung) phones. In speed it is definately similar to my tab4 10.1. only thing is that it heats a bit more.
so like was mentioned, i'd also look into the jiayu s3 if i was you.

You can choose Huawei
I am a chinese and now i am in china ,I think Huawei is a good choice.Huawei have many patents and their devices is so good.Now i am using Huawei honor 6.(my english is so bad,if i had a misspelling,please pardon me)