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What I mean is a general problem of this forum: There loads of good tools, ROMs, tweaks etc but most of you don´t spend enough time to explain what is what.
If you provide such a huge mass of information like in this forum its just impossible for new users to sort out whats good, whats bad, whats new, what can I use.....And DO NOT tell me to use the search-function
For example: I come to the Polaris upgrading thread, I´m looking for a fast ROM. Actually I use bepe 0.67, but I wanna try some others. So lets have a look...Hmm, "Vega R3", "Diamond R4", "PhamQuang"..you see, lots of ROMs.
BUT: I want to know which language it is (I think its something like WWE...what is WWE?? just a joke, I know what it means..), is radio included (I normally expect that..), what have I to watch out for when flashing it & how can I flash it (this is often included, but again, very slangy explained) etc etc etc !
In other words: Many infos are provided. But questions and answers from the rest od the thread could be added to the first/second/third post so people dont have to search for hours (yes, i tried for hours !!!!)
What to do ??
There should be some sort of template for everyone posting a new tool, ROM etc.
Must-haves of a post:
** What is it? What can I do with it? What do I need??
** What language is it
** changelog (in 90% cases included)
** links for good explanations (what is... a ROM, radio, hard-spl, WWE etc)
!!!!! Please, just make one standard thread for such infos; one single, long post, explaining "xda-developers"-language
** Links to other websites/downloads that are useful
Such questions should be summarized for each device and PLEASE write in plain english language, for everybody around the world !
And please, dont post links to threads which arent up to date or are not as userfriendly as they should be!
Another suggestion: Give me the infos I HAVE to know at ONE GLANCE. As I said, language, radio included, installation etc..
I know, what you are thinking right now: We already did this and much more than that. BUT, once again, this is just too less for n00bs like me.
And imagine, 50% less people you have to tell to use the search because you just make a understandable download-post/site with all necessary information...wouldn´t that be nice ???
regards,
Martin,
Austria (NOT Australia..)
[EDIT] You might say "there is a wiki"...its just not useful, thats the problem.
m.schmidler said:
You might say "there is a wiki"...its just not useful, thats the problem.
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The wiki is the place to go if you have questions. Are you saying you expect all the great cookers here to further spend more personal time to give you detailed step-by-step instructions on what to do because you feel searching is too much of a hassle for you? There are plenty of "how-to" guides floating around. Each cooker may give instructions, but I don't think it's their job to educate you how on how to do it, if you don't know how, maybe you shouldn't do it. It really doesn't make much sense to have instructions included in EVERY single ROM thread.
When your mechanic changes the oil in your car, is he supposed to teach you how to drive too?
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The wiki is the place to go if you have questions. Are you saying you expect all the great cookers here to further spend more personal time to give you detailed step-by-step instructions on what to do because you feel searching is too much of a hassle for you? There are plenty of "how-to" guides floating around. Each cooker may give instructions, but I don't think it's their job to educate you how on how to do it, if you don't know how, maybe you shouldn't do it. It really doesn't make much sense to have instructions included in EVERY single ROM thread.
When your mechanic changes the oil in your car, is he supposed to teach you how to drive too?
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great responce
Im saying what you dont want me to say m.schmidler, use search...
God there are written SO FRICKEN many tutorials, we have been gathering links, in the threads in the wiki.
Dont we spend enough time cooking, developing etc? Should we start a school also? Who is gonna pay the teachers? you?
No, im not gonna spend more time making it easy on you, there are so much info, so much threads to help new guys (noobs) that im damn amazed that you cant figure it out.
If you cant figure out how to find stuff on XDA, then you really should sit down and think just for a sec.
Try HTC support, or MS support. Try see how helpfull they are, how they explain every thing you think you need to know.
Get a grip on reality man..either that or you and the rest of they guys demanding the things you do can start paying us by the hours we spend on making your device better.
And hey, yea, I know, my roms, and other cooks roms has bugs, flaws, this and that missing wich you deperatly need or w/e. But you know what, here is an idea:
Go back to using stock roms (here is a little help, just to show that I CAN be nice too:
Stock ROM=A operating system provided with the phone you have, in this case windows mobile, and it is not modded, altered or changed in any way. But hey, maybe that was to hard to understand too??)
Im sure the forum could be better, but making posts like that..
let me sum this up in a few words:
Respect the time we use on this, if not you will see that many of the beloved developers here just leave..and btw...thats happening all over the forum because of **** like this
OK. we will change ALL...we will make it like in other forums...a "How 2 post" so that EVERY post looks the same...so that noob can follow...
BUT YOU check ALL NEW post if they are posted the right way.
hahahahahahaahaha
NO man. IF you cannnot follow the instructions in the threads...DO NOT FLASH!!!
I spent 1 year ONLY READING before flashing my first rom!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SO don´t come here with 5 posts and tell us how to do our job
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OK. we will change ALL...we will make it like in other forums...a "How 2 post" so that EVERY post looks the same...so that noob can follow...
BUT YOU check ALL NEW post if they are posted the right way.
hahahahahahaahaha
NO man. IF you cannnot follow the instructions in the threads...DO NOT FLASH!!!
I spent 1 year ONLY READING before flashing my first rom!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SO don´t come here with 5 posts and tell us how to do our job
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LOL! How about he gets promoted to a Mod, then he can go through and change them all just the way he wants by his specs !
Hey Guys, pls...
Hey Guys,
Im new too and I know about the probs in the forum, but the seniors and mods. are right, when they say that we, the users, should use the search an read the wiki.
I`ve been reading 6 months before flashing bepe 0.67.
But with the manuals and the posts of the other guys it makes me happy!!!
This is a great forum!!
Stay tuned!!
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What I mean is a general problem of this forum: There loads of good tools, ROMs, tweaks etc but most of you don´t spend enough time to explain what is what.
If you provide such a huge mass of information like in this forum its just impossible for new users to sort out whats good, whats bad, whats new, what can I use.....And DO NOT tell me to use the search-function
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You know, this IS a developers forum. There is kind of the understanding that when you see certain keywords like ROM, .NET, C++, winlibs, MSDQ, SQL, etc...that you aleady know what it is and do not need explaining.
If every developer explained everything their releases could do, down to the finest detail, they wouldnt have any time to develop, they would just be posting all day long. I don't think anything more than one or two lines (which is the case now), is needed for a good explanation.
This forum is perfect for my needs, and since it IS a developer's forum, you cannot expect it to be setup like a regular forum for non-techies. I mean, you don't see any soccer moms on here...no offense to the small minority of soccer moms who develop, lol
::: Connor
wow, I didn´t expect such enormous response...but I think you got me wrong. I DO appreciate the hard work all the people here do, really. But what I suggested was just a little bit of time that could change a lot. As I said, there is plenty of info, or as TheChampJT said
There are plenty of "how-to" guides floating around.
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. Yes, floating around, but there should be some kind of link list for each device...Just let me think, how much work is this ?? 1 or 2 hours, maybe? And with that 1 or 2 hours you can help hundreds of users who would spend each 2 or 3 hours searching.
I really understand your argumentation and I will spend more time on reading and just doing some trial-and-error experiences.
But please, don´t just post such super-sarcastic responses, that won´t change anything.
I´d really do the work I suggested - but I am, as you noticed, just a beginner in flashing and modding. But maybe you guys start thinking social again and work together for a big community.
regards,
Martin
BTW:
I`ve been reading 6 months before flashing bepe 0.67.
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I managed to flash that ROM in 2 days..So I´m definitely not a n00b ?? lol
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wow, I didn´t expect such enormous response...but I think you got me wrong. I DO appreciate the hard work all the people here do, really. But what I suggested was just a little bit of time that could change a lot. As I said, there is plenty of info, or as TheChampJT said . Yes, floating around, but there should be some kind of link list for each device...Just let me think, how much work is this ?? 1 or 2 hours, maybe? And with that 1 or 2 hours you can help hundreds of users who would spend each 2 or 3 hours searching.
I really understand your argumentation and I will spend more time on reading and just doing some trial-and-error experiences.
But please, don´t just post such super-sarcastic responses, that won´t change anything.
I´d really do the work I suggested - but I am, as you noticed, just a beginner in flashing and modding. But maybe you guys start thinking social again and work together for a big community.
regards,
Martin
BTW: I managed to flash that ROM in 2 days..So I´m definitely not a n00b ?? lol
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He just dont get it....
Anyways, telling us that you flashed the rom after 2 days, just show us how nOOb you are.
itje said:
He just dont get it....
Anyways, telling us that you flashed the rom after 2 days, just show us how nOOb you are.
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I agree I have been around since - alot of years - I have just flashed for the first time. (On that note I hope you donated some money to Bepe) You flash quickly if a) you are stupid B) You have loads of money or C) you are a happy go lucky chappy.......
good luck son, piss some more people off! The seniors and moderators work very hard and for you to come in this quickly........ Wouldn't it be more sensible to read, read, help, help, help, understand, understand, understand, understand, and then do the whole lot again. and then offer some advice. People listen to people that are intelligent and not to quick off the mark.
This is a complicated forum with a hell of alot of info. I want to offer my congratualtions to the Mods here and say THANK-YOU.......
Will
OMFG, this goes way too far, you guys are really, really offending. Ok, I´ll give in, I´ll use the search, I´ll read read read and won´t flash a new rom again after 2 days...Happy?
It's unbelievable how incredibly arrogant some people are. You start this thread demanding to be spoon fed the information, and then say that people are offending you. YOU are the offensive one my friend. NOBODY HERE OWES YOU ANYTHING. Hire a tutor.
and BTW I don't think anyone here cares whether you search or flash or not, just don't come here telling everyone how they should spend more time making your life easier.
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It's unbelievable how incredibly arrogant some people are. You start this thread demanding to be spoon fed the information, and then say that people are offending you. YOU are the offensive one my friend. NOBODY HERE OWES YOU ANYTHING. Hire a tutor.
and BTW I don't think anyone here cares whether you search or flash or not, just don't come here telling everyone how they should spend more time making your life easier.
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hey man, relax, i got the point. I already said, i recognized it was just a stupid post and u are right. BUT there are two ways telling me that and some replies are really a bit offending.
I hope you accept this "mistake", but it´s just a normal reaction when coming to a forum..other newbies are thinking nearly the same.
Nevertheless, when I post into other threads here please don´t think of me as some kind of moron who just annoys people the whole day
Ok. I think we should let everyone get on with what they do best. Let Noobs search and read and learn (which he has already accepted) and let the experts cook their ROMs and let the users flash them to their devices
He's got the point of no spoon feeding from anyone in here coz everyone who's a developer today was a Noob yesterday and learnt everything from the forum pages
I would love to close this thread to avoid any further forest fires, but since papamopps has a post in it, I'll leave it to the best of his judgement
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OMFG, this goes way too far, you guys are really, really offending. Ok, I´ll give in, I´ll use the search, I´ll read read read and won´t flash a new rom again after 2 days...Happy?
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GREAT you start LEARNING!!! welcome to xda-DEVELOPERS .com haha
and next time after reading and not flashing.....start thinking first before you psot such a thread in 2 different subforums
regards
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GREAT you start LEARNING!!! welcome to xda-DEVELOPERS .com haha
regards
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Thank you, kind sir.
Yet I found the idea as quite sound and thoughtful, IMHO. If only it didn't sound as too "i need to be spoonfed" and being bashed right away. LoL
Standard templates/formats are increasingly become a necessity nowadays. In my work, they are the hero of the days. Tons of thousands of reports and informations are being streamlined in a common acknowledged formats. It saves time for BOTH information originators and users/readers. Imagine what they could do to this wonderful forum, it will save time, energy and space for not wasting them in basic queries and responses. Discussion could be more fruitful since it will only talk about advanced and detailed items since all basics are already covered in page 1 in standard form.
Again, if only the idea given some thoughts over
I don't know, but I can see pattern here that every single noob are being treated the same - the harsh way. And some people are also enjoying picking on them. I actually agree to some extent, since it also quite amusing sometimes, but please be more humane. I understand fully that sometimes they (noobs - including me) are so ignorant and lazy and almost always giving stupid and silly ideas. But it's not always 100% like that.
If you want to despise one's thinking, please despise the thinking, not the person. Just because he/she a noob, all his/her ideas are equally stupid/silly? It's an Argumentatum Ad Hominem, and it's not fair.
Noobs is only by definition that the person is new to THIS forum, the WM and HTC thingies forum. But it does not necessarily mean that the person is new to Internet Forum, right? You'll never know, but maybe the person you bash is actually a mod/admin in other respectful internet forum. Yea, who knows? So, I wish this forum could be more gentle to people.
Lastly, we know that this is a DEVELOPER forum. But it also never written that no noobs entrance allowed, right? Whoever now devs, chefs, mods and seniors are once noobs too. So anyone, including noobs, are actually a potential member to contribute to this community. It only requires time and well-grooming techniques, not hammering each one of them.
@Herr Martin Schmidler
Not a very bad idea at all, mate. I understand your frustration, since i sometimes felt the same. For me, the built-in search tool is quite (sorry) lame. And google does refine it a bit, but quite lagging since the gatherer bots need some times to cataloguing new items. But please always be respectful also to others, especially the seniors, they have spent so much time and energy building this great community. We cannot expect them to treat us as if we were kids. Guten tag, liebe gruss!
I've got a server pad off until the end of Feb 2010 and came up with an idea the other day that I wanted to run by the people who spend a lot of time building ROMs and apps for all of us. Let me preface this by saying I'm not trying to take anything away from XDA (I spend a lot of time here), but my idea can really put some money in the pockets of these guys that work so hard for us.
As I said, I have a server I'm not using (along with an installation of VBulletin). My idea is to give the developers a "home", where each has their own forum. Within their own forum they would have their own ads (from Google or whatever they choose), so that they had a real income from their work and not just hope that people donate money occasionally. Within their own section their would be a subforum where only they could post (explanation of releases, instructions, FAQ, etc), so that it wouldnt become a mess. A user feedback section, and a troubleshooting section........with all the user interaction still here at XDA.
I've also set up a download section for ROMs, Themes, Widgets, and Apps, where only developers could upload, but everyone could download....so that everything is in one easy to access spot.
Again, I'm not trying to take anything away from XDA....what I am trying to do is organize something that benefits all of us, by giving the devs a chance to make a little cash, while giving them a place to post their latest releases. I'm not doing this for my own gain (Other than trying to keep my sanity reading through 400 pages of bickering and redundant silly questions)
If any of you Devs are interested (and I've already talked to a few of you), hit me up by PM or email and I'll get you hooked up.
http://androidclubhouse.com
love this idea, this will probably relive the xda servers of some stress, ROM threads have an average of 1000+ replies also might give the mods a little less to worry about, thats right mods i see you trying to keep this forum organized and appreciate your efforts
triple bump
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8To-6VIJZRE
can average joes like me sign up or maybe i can be a moderator if you allow
Yeah, as I said my goal with this was two-fold. First I'm doing this as an idea to help these developers make some scratch (I'll give developers special access and have them open a Google Adsense account). That way these guys can get paid for their efforts.
The other goal was to start from scratch with a clean and managed place. There is a lot going on here, a lot of ideas, a lot of dialogue. What I want to do is give each developer a section, one forum where only they can post (info on the releases, FAQ, etc....without any comments from followers), then have a forum where followers can offers ideas and discuss the releases, then a third forum for troubleshooting (I'd like to find some way of marking issues as solved, then closing them, so people with similar issues arent digging through 400 pages looking for answers).
I have a downloads page, which I'd really like to use.....maybe we can just have all the pertinent downloads there linked to wherever they are saved, or I can host them.
So, in closing, I am not trying to replace XDA (I'm working on adding a link to it to the navbar), I'm trying to augment it. I have the server and software paid of til Feb 2010, so I'm hoping this will turn out to be a good solution and we can keep it going. As always, if you guys have ideas or questions, let me know.
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can average joes like me sign up or maybe i can be a moderator if you allow
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Absolutely....I'm just an average Joe. I am a computer hardware guy (used to own HardwareLogic, but sold it to deal with health issues). My wife bought me a G1 a couple of months back and I've not put it down since. I've been around here for quite awhile and recommend XDA to a lot of people (My last phone was a TMO Dash, which died a sad death when I fell and cracked the screen), I just dont post unless I have something to add to the conversation.
I really want to get people involved, I want to have a nice place, but a place with limited BS, and where things are kept on topic.
I'm onboard for any site that will keep the stupid posts/reposts/BUT HOW DO I DO IT? at bay. Not to criticize xda, but it has grown beyond the moderators abilities and it's just a mess.
I'm going to need help, but my thought was to generate a FAQ post for every thread, and then take the time to consolidate frequent issues we see into stickies, and lock them......so people can find the answers without digging through the BS.
I think we can do that by marking solved issues as "Solved" and locking the threads (then making them a sticky or creating a separate forum for them). By staying on top of that, things should work well.
YO hit me back. Just to chat. Your biggest fan, this is Stan.
To throw up very basic idea for recomendation of being in the design [if happens]:
In the comments on the rom section, make it so the comments can be seperated in category [like maybe side by side or something], like the biggest issue with forums is seperation with them is too seperate. People want to ask their problem with the rom where more viewers are. Its nature. Feedback and Troubleshooting. Thats what I would suggest. Then its simple organization method that keeps the roms clean for the developers to get a good idea whats wrong and how to perfect. Random problem posts in 1 page probably has 7 problems, 3 with response to helping, and 2 for feedback. How to see whats going on. Keep it clean so people can see exactly what they are getting and how to do it, thats key. Make no assumptions about people, think no one knows anything, and make it based on that.
Just a suggestion for [anything] in the future.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=3807449#post3807449
we need to consolidate, so far (the link above is for themes) i have seen 10 or more websites to try and put all of the downloads. its a wonderful idea. but if it is to be implemented, we will actually need EVERYONE's attention, and get one site with everything.
it sounds like a good idea, it'll be nice if it can be implemented for a quick place to find useful links. I have so many bookmarks because everything is so scattered on different sites and forums it'll be good to have it all together
I will be working on this all night and tomorrow. Those of you that are developers, sign up and let me know who you are by pm or email. Once I hear from you I will set up your section and give you all the acess.....then we can work on the ads for your section and let you focus on your work.
I will need a couple people to help me watch over things, so some of you senior members hit me up as well if interested.
As to breaking down the sections...here is what I did.....only the developers can post in the rin the ROM release forum, but there is an attached forum where peopele can share ideas and make comments, and an attached troubleshooting forum...well go from there.
As to the downloads page I have it sectioned, so everything should be easy to locate...kind of a one stop shop.
Once we get people posting content, maybe we can come together and edit it down to a series of tutorials, FAQ. Guides, or whatever....one thing I would like to see is a list of all the terminal commands...kind of a glossary...as well as a glossary of terms users need to know to get started, both of those would cut down a lot on redundant questions.
I am watching a few movies with a friend, but later I plan on adding a front page, answering emails, and tinkering with the setup.....keep up with the ideas, and if you want to help out, let me know
yeah
I think it sounds like a Great Idea!!! Get signing up Devs!! Make some more money other than your Donations!!!
Thats my whole point, my idea wasnt a forum to compete with XDA and other forums....but a place for the Devs to post/store their work without all the off topic and petty stuff that ends up being posted. There of course is discussion threads, but not mixed in with the ROM Release threads (Which only the Devs can post to).....there are separate discussion threads for bug reporting and ideas/comments.
Its all set up and ready to go, we just need the Devs to jump on. As soon as they get me some adsense code I will integrate it and they can start making some money from their own ads. Devs, help me help you..........
I also dont want to limit this to the ROM writers, if you have a tutorial, hack, app, widget, etc you want to post please let me know.
I am trying to get a glossary of terms built, as well as as many tutorials as possible, which should cut way down on repeat questions.
If there is a Photoshop Expert out thwere, hit me up, I need a nice logo put together for the site.
Looking good!
The site is looking good so far! I'm sure the devs are on their way!
How Many...
How many Developers are planning to give this a go?
I would also think that letting the rom devs have the ability to moderate their own respective threads if they so choose might be a good idea.
Separate out:
Q/A - general
Q/A - bug specific
Thank you
something to that effect.
I would design the website logo for free and moderate.
That's if you let me.
Rom Devs
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I would also think that letting the rom devs have the ability to moderate their own respective threads if they so choose might be a good idea.
Separate out:
Q/A - general
Q/A - bug specific
Thank you
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The Rom Devs are given the Ability to Moderate their posts as they wish, and thanks for the Q/A tips. Have you checked the site out yet?
OK so i know this is the wrong forum, BUT I came across this and wanted to "bump" it so to speak. This was posted by kyphur in 08 and in a mods sig now. Please read and adhere to the spirit of the post. It is RIGHT ON!!!
I think what a lot of people forget is that this is not a "make my phone neat & kewl" place.
As implied by the name this is technically a Developers forum/community.
Now what does that mean? Well first off it means that there is an expectation that if you are here then you want to customize your device but rather than just installing something that someone packaged you want to understand how it works and maybe even enhance it yourself.
When I first came here with a Blue Angel it was a different environment. PDA Phones were not embraced by the general public because of the expense and complexity (I paid over $400 for my BA). A $400 phone 4 years ago was expensive, today the Tilt is $300 after rebates but with inflation & the rise in the cost of other devices and the fact that there are other sources out there giving them away for $150 our neat bit of kit has become popular with mainstream users.
Now we have a flood of new users who are asking not "How can I do this myself" but more like "Give me the quick fix" without caring to understand the process. See if you read the threads then you get to experience the learning process, you see how the issues were investigated and confirmed. Then you get to watch the different attempts at resolution and learn why some failed while others worked. That is called Development.
The NooB backlash is coming from users who have walked in the development shoes and is directed mainly at those who don't care for the journey but just want the end result or destination.
As a Development Forum we are just as much (if not more) about the journey. I've read so many comments like "I don't have time to read all of the threads" or "I don't care how it works, just that it does". These very statements are contrary to the heart & soul of XDA-Devs and that is why the backlash is so strong.
Let me be very clear on this: IF YOU DON'T CARE ABOUT UNDERSTANDING THE JOURNEY THEN YOU PROBABLY SHOULDN'T BE HERE IN THE FIRST PLACE.
XDA-Devs is about developers & hackers helping each other and working together to get the most out of our devices by understanding them better than most.
XDA-Devs is not about helping everyone who wants a "Kewl bit of kit" make their phone better than the guy next to him.
Now do we go kicking users off who never contribute anything, NO. We tolerate it to an extent. Where the toleration ends is when these users start diluting the usefulness of the forum by repeating the same questions over and over again.
You ask us to understand your position. Well if you want to benefit from our experience and time then I think it is only fair that you understand our position.
Maybe you can recommend an alternative site for people who just want the newest tweaks and software.
the idea is not that only developers should be looking at this site, but that this is a place where developers communicate with each other and the beneficiaries of their work. This is not the place for someone to post threads about general questions about how to use or mod their device. This is a place that will develop the capabilities of the android platform if it is allowed. Developers WILL abandon this forum if it becomes a bulletin board or a technical support site.....and if you need a question answered, there are other forums on THIS site to address those.
Agreed 100%. While developing for the Windows mobile, I also got the same thing. I would post a thread and WARN people of a certain things and tell them how to fix it. Then I'd get 30 pages of "geeze, you broke something. how do you fix it?" That gets annoying real fast. I would love it if this forum forced people to take a test before they could post in the development sections... Before that, they should only be able to post in the regular sections.
One thing that really bugs me is the fact that the newbs don't want to search but don't realize that they take OUR time to search FOR them. No one knows everything. Every developer on this site searches and learns. I know that if you put together all the time that I've spent on this site JUST researching and searching, it'd be MONTHS and MONTHS of non-stop, no sleep searching and researching. So why can't the average person search for 2 minutes? Is their time worth more than my time?
/rant - while talking on the phone so it might not make sense...
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Maybe you can recommend an alternative site for people who just want the newest tweaks and software.
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There are thousands, but essentially all they do is copy stuff off here.
Like the post said, if you just want to root your phone so it can do 'cool stuff' and not give a **** about how the damn thing works then maybe you shouldn't be modding your phone (that wasn't aimed at you btw, just 'people' in general the market place is made up of 99% 'these people' who don't/can't read and it's pretty irritating.)
Agree with the post 100%, fantastic
we sadly are living in the (ME) world
there is such a huge gape beetween the 10-19 generation and 20-29
10-19 generation is living in such an easy world, they never had to blow into their nintendo cassettes , know how heavy a quantum bigfoot is or what RTFM mean's
You said it, this is in the wrong forum.
You're not an admin and although you can spend your time here (and pretty much all of your posts) reporting out-of-place threads, you're still not an admin.
People always wonder into communities and it always takes a while to learn the way things work. Mickey is doing a good job on closing and moving threads that are unrelated to development.
With that said...
Reported.
Agreed. It's really, really, really, really getting to me. I wish OP's had semi-moderator power. They could at least delete all necessary posts and ban that user - if required- for a certain amount of time from their thread only.
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You said it, this is in the wrong forum.
You're not an admin and although you can spend your time here (and pretty much all of your posts) reporting out-of-place threads, you're still not an admin.
People always wonder into communities and it always takes a while to learn the way things work. Mickey is doing a good job on closing and moving threads that are unrelated to development.
With that said...
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ughh, no i'm not an admin, and no almost all my posts, or the majority, or a half are reported threads, but i do try to help out the mods when i can. they are not on all forums at all times and can use the help, and they have said as much.
Oh thank you thank you! People here should want to understand why thing the work as they work. Not just want their phones to look cool.
As it you wouldnt know it, i have been with xda for years well since the titan came out. before that i was modding an ipaq and of course the old palms. everyonce in awhile i lose interest and move on only to come back when i have something new(major a.d.d). i do write java as well as c and even c++(so on) i typically find this place useful to try stuff out and even set up my own custom rom just for me. i dont post because i can google. while i have many of my own questions i would like answered i simply dont ask most of the time(such as using micro kernels and modding app2sd to make the os have two options sd in or out. however the problem is not the generations or age difference or anything like that. its social systems outside of xda. posting a reply used to mean an answer or something useful. now its normal to simply post "great job". thats nice and all but maybe instead of complaining about it we should come up with a new system that improves xda. like a sorting system or sub thread system and set up catagorys for our replys. like thumbs up would be for the "good job". i know its hard to keep everyone happy but this is a forum first, a forum has design problems when you get the number of people xda has. use advanced search it helps a lot. a sorting system with requirements for certain catagorys would help devs. its not easy modding and getting it right and you cant do it alone. xda is the help even if its not your phone sometimes others have solutions too. such as winmo users putting android on their phones(yes i did it too my old titan for fun). things i learned and other devs learn can help us and vice versa. i have yet to find bad technology only poorly thought out ideas that could have been. which is why we mod.
p.s. wtf is up with palm and blackberry ads all the time.
Most of those kids just want the answer or fix in the next 3min. with perfect steps or a patch that supposedly will fix and hack their device,after that they´ll never show up.
All they want is to show off without bothering to read.
I totaly understand. I do feel sometimes that certain devs do get a bit annoyed with people who just want to fix the phone and not understand. I'm not linux or coding wiz. But whe I got here in may I was one of the people who just wanted me phone to be better than urs. I still have that to some extent but I have developed more of a "how and what is causeing this issue" attitude. I try to contribute as best as I can. Helping out over at q&a as best as I can. I enjoy xda and without my days would be more boring than what the are now. I dunno I guess I'm just rambling. Bottom line is I have tried to correct my attitude toward modding. Hell I even post my email so users can drop a line if they need help.
i am 20 and i fondly remember blowing into my nes super nes and genesis games.
i am pretty new to XDA. when i first found this site all i wanted was a quick fix. now i am getting more intrested in the actual dev aspect. i want to be able to create my own rom eventualy. yes i do find myself asking stupid questions and getting some foul responses but in my opinion no question is a stupid one. only the one not asked. yes alot of people just want a fix but there are new users who want to learn. like me. so i appreciate the help i have recieved from most members. and i alwasy appoligise for my stupidity. so dont get down on all noobs because alot of us want to learn and the only way to is to ask.
saprano614 said:
i am pretty new to XDA. when i first found this site all i wanted was a quick fix. now i am getting more intrested in the actual dev aspect. i want to be able to create my own rom eventualy. yes i do find myself asking stupid questions and getting some foul responses but in my opinion no question is a stupid one. only the one not asked. yes alot of people just want a fix but there are new users who want to learn. like me. so i appreciate the help i have recieved from most members. and i alwasy appoligise for my stupidity. so dont get down on all noobs because alot of us want to learn and the only way to is to ask.
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nobody is getting down on noobs. ONLY the site users who FAIL to post questions and general comments in the correct forum
jaaronmoody said:
nobody is getting down on noobs. ONLY the site users who FAIL to post questions and general comments in the correct forum
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Just want to make a statement befor someone did.
I thank you for this post. I came to this forum a long time ago I have learned quite a bit and appreciate everything that is done here. There are very skillful people that are on here and I wish I had the amount of skill then thesemodders, hackers, developers etc... have I keep my mouth shut unless i feel there is some thing that i know how to answer, i have never complained about a single rom i simply research what can be done to change for fix it, all answers rely in a search somewhere either here or google. I just wish other people would do the same then we would be able to prevent a 300+ page threads where only about 25 pages are worth anything.
look at the amount of posts from someone who knows they are barley able to contrubute(but do what he can) and been here this long. compared to people who have been here dont have much to contribute but love to post everything that comes to thier minds.
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samygent said:
we sadly are living in the (ME) world
there is such a huge gape beetween the 10-19 generation and 20-29
10-19 generation is living in such an easy world, they never had to blow into their nintendo cassettes , know how heavy a quantum bigfoot is or what RTFM mean's
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HEY!
im 18 and clearly remember blowing into those damn games to make them work. but when they worked, so much fun i still think theyre better than the crappy xbox and ps3 games of today... but thats just me. lol
pleeease yall! let's keep THIS thread on topic! LOL!!
i dont understand this here forum, (redneck voice)...
while ive been here, in the last 2-3 days ive encountered the following:
1) horrible attitudes and question answering. not that the questions weren't being answered, just the way they were being answered. if a noob asks a question, let him ask. but we all know how easy it is for us to look cooler by bashing them.
2) Inappropriate use of language and shameful and offensive harassment. now passive as it may, calling a ROM "Gay" for not having xxx feature is wrong.so is calling said members "******s" even better?
3) trolls trolls trolls. if we have nothing nice to say lets at least keep it civil.
although we could all go on all night over something, this i sno way to have a thread. ive been in many other forums, and i can honestly say none are as bad as this one. if this is the way the i727 forum will conduct its business consider me gone. although i am not much help to the communtiy, i do love the Dev work. but if its at the cost of seeing a horrible thread such as this i think im better off stock.
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it comes and it goes. hang in there and find a good way to contribute in the meantime
cdromo90 said:
i dont understand this here forum, (redneck voice)...
while ive been here, in the last 2-3 days ive encountered the following:
1) horrible attitudes and question answering. not that the questions weren't being answered, just the way they were being answered. if a noob asks a question, let him ask. but we all know how easy it is for us to look cooler by bashing them.
2) Inappropriate use of language and shameful and offensive harassment. now passive as it may, calling a ROM "Gay" for not having xxx feature is wrong.so is calling said members "******s" even better?
3) trolls trolls trolls. if we have nothing nice to say lets at least keep it civil.
although we could all go on all night over something, this i sno way to have a thread. ive been in many other forums, and i can honestly say none are as bad as this one. if this is the way the i727 forum will conduct its business consider me gone. although i am not much help to the communtiy, i do love the Dev work. but if its at the cost of seeing a horrible thread such as this i think im better off stock.
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5 Months and 14 posts???? This is by far the most deticated forum to the HELP and DEVELOPMENT for the largest selection of mobile devices and devices alike. I am not bashing you but after you have been around for awhile and contribute to this forum then your opinion with come with more value. There are many people on here that do help and are very generous but the are few and far between that are oh not so friendly (and I stress few and far between). If you are a noob then it would help to read the NOOB STICKIES to find out more about your device and learn your way around instead of just jumping in with no intelect or know how of how to use this forum properly. I have only been here for 4 years (actually 4 years ago today), I have tested hundrends of ROMs on lots of devices and have donated hundreds to the developers who help make this possible. Even though I have been through and done the forementioned I myself still read through the stickies to find out more information about the device at hand. You can never gain too much knowledge or know too much about what you are doing. There are weeks maybe even months woth of guides and stickes on this forum. If you need information about your device i'd say there is a 98% chance that someone has already gone through the same thing and has a solution to the problem. The best thing to do here is READ READ READ and try to find out on your own to solve your problem before just logging in and asking questions about something that has been answered because you are too lazy to look yourself. Hopefully you stick around and leanr more and see what this forum is all about. Don't let some asshats ruin it for you. They will be weeded out and generally the situation is solved pretty quickly. There are always someone somewhere that makes things difficult at some point.
If you have a problem with a post or thread hit the report button and let us (moderators) know whats going on. You also need to understand this forum is not a service center we are not here to make your phone cooler or get you out of your mess for not reading (that's 90% of the "HELP" threads or post) so if someone asks something that has been covered before most people will help you out not always as cheerful, but they do. Yes there are trolls, always will be but that's your job to report. We can't read every single post all day (2 moderators vs how many Skyrocket users?) so you guys have to help out. Will be locking this thread as its not really Skyrocket related (just your personal rant) about the community.
Cheers
So... Sometimes I think to myself why basically no developers care about us anymore.. I came up with an idea pretty quick.. We are annoying most of the time to them. Especially the people to ask questions without just looking through the threads a bit. Obviously they have no experience forum hunting. I haven't had that much experience myself with forums, but it does not take long before we see the downside of our community. The people who post the most on XDA are Forum peeps.. second.. newbs... Sometimes I consider myself one for I feel sorry doing that for questions so dumb, but that was before I learned google doesn't really work through XDA forums that much. You google GS4 MF3 Recovery Bounty and it shows the wrong post on the top. The right post that you'd be interested in is a few links down. But I learned that lesson.
My question to the community, is why do we bother with people like this? The second someone has a serious post about anything, a newb comes along and says "PLEASE RELEASE THE MF3 RECOVERY>> OMG>>...." Those guys should be banned... and I see that way to often... (sadly I see it more in the Jailbreak for iphone more) but it is still in this forum too. Reason for this is probably really simple. This forum has gotten to be the most popular android related forum existing. Everyone that roots their phone has heard of XDA. So... what happens when one of those 14 year old root consumers has a problem? They (hopefully) google it.. then runs into the stupid google problem with XDA for unrelated crap, then posts directly here. Then we come along and say "if you would have looked, it's right in this thread, and everyone has that problem, so don't complain". I have a little sympathy for them, but after a while, those same people become those people who just scan the forums every day for some news of a possible MF3 Exploit, then one they see a serious post, they might think SOMETHINGS BEING DONE!!!......... Ugh... Huge sigh there.
So.. what could we do about it? One, we could ask google to fix their results to be more relevant for us.. but that may or may not ever happen. What else? We could just not let newbs post anywhere for the first day, only in Q&A threads the next weeks, then everything else after 2 months, that gives them enough time to learn that your exploit may never come.. especially if people like them do what they do every day. That won't get rid of everything. Especially on the Q&A, but it would keep the serious threads not kept in the Q&A thread relevant and less of a chance of newbs coming and replying. This is more an idea for the Mod's/Admins to consider, just more strict of a new user system.
Those intentions are only to relieve some of the bad feelings most hacker/devs have here, like DjrBliss. He flat out just dropped out of the forum a little after he released his Loki. And he's having a great time over on the moto x conversations you hear him have on twitter.
That's all I have to say for now.. And this is only my opinion on matters, may not be yours, so.. ya.
Have a good rest of the day you all
Well first off, let me tell that programmers are you know what's by nature. I'm a cyber defense specialist and I work everyday with a LOT of programmers, which is the same thing as your developers, and it took me a while to kind of fit their personality so we weren't offending each other. They don't get mad at people asking questions. They get mad answering questions they have already answered a hundred times. It's not really an XDA problem, it's a problem with people just not searching. They are wanting somebody else to basically wipe their butt for them. That's what REALLY strikes a nerve with many devs.
I believe that people like your talking about will always exist on XDA and many other forums. They have an enormous amount of members, and it's to hard to keep it away.
Cool story, bro. Take the Google search course if you're having problems searching. Here's a hint. Google "your subject xda" You'll get the hits your looking for first.
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Well first off, let me tell that programmers are you know what's by nature. I'm a cyber defense specialist and I work everyday with a LOT of programmers, which is the same thing as your developers, and it took me a while to kind of fit their personality so we weren't offending each other. They don't get mad at people asking questions. They get mad answering questions they have already answered a hundred times. It's not really an XDA problem, it's a problem with people just not searching. They are wanting somebody else to basically wipe their butt for them. That's what REALLY strikes a nerve with many devs.
I believe that people like your talking about will always exist on XDA and many other forums. They have an enormous amount of members, and it's to hard to keep it away.
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Yup your probably right there.. Well My ideas were somewhat close..