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I like my new Asus Transformer Infinity, but not as much as I love my Samsung Galaxy sII. It bugs me that it appears that a lot of apps are much smoother/faster in loading data on the SII than on the Infinity, while the former is a year older with a slower CPU.
Does anyone has the same experience?
And what could be the cause?
On both devices I use almost the same apps, have the same accounts installed and i use the same wifi connection. My sII still uses ICS and my infinty JB (which in my opinion is much better then before), Both unrooted.
When I run the usual benchmarks (quadrant, antutu, browsermark), I get the scores you would expect: Infinity scores clearly higher than the SII and conform the results that other users report. Internet speed tests do also give expected results,
I'm experiencing the following. A lot of apps that load some data from the web (news apps for example) show a delay of 1 or 2 seconds, while the SII often loads the data instantly. Browsing on the SII gives me a smooth experience, while browsing on the Infinity often results in a couple of seconds that the tablet is unresponsive when the page is not loaded completely.
This effect is the strongest in the Stumbleupon app, which probably has an inferior browser built-in, but my SII still loads the new pages really fast. The infinity shows a lot of unresponsiveness in Stumbleupon and it results in a lot of ANR popups.
The ANR popups are not so prevalant in other apps. This did happen a lot more with ICS. On my SII I almost never get an ANR.
I understand that the tablet needs to render for a much higher resolution and that the tablet has some issues with IO performance. But can this make such a difference? Could it be that most apps are so terribly designed for tablets, that the tablet needs a lot of CPU time to upscale, which causes unresponiveness?
Or is it just my tablet?
gybema said:
I understand that the tablet needs to render for a much higher resolution and that the tablet has some issues with IO performance. But can this make such a difference?
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yes.
You are not alone. I also have a galaxy s2,and it's a lot faster than this tablet.
It is not that surprising. My Sensation also feel faster and more reliable than my Infinity, guess it is just right that the S2 is much faster. And yes, the resolution does matter a lot. Imagine running Skyrim or Crysis II a 1024x768 resolution versus at 1920x1080, the difference in frame rates will blow you away.
Yup,
Most games and apps are designed for phones not tablets.
Applications for phones driving that big 'ole 1920X1200 screen with a 12 core GPU just ain't going to respond the same as the junior sized screens at a much lower resolution.
Just wait when the apps catch on to the HD wave there will be many happy campers.
Takes time...
Asus uses a tegra and samsung uses exynos. The exynos/malli processor/GPU seems to perform much better than tegra despite that tegra is made by nvidia. on paper the GFLOPS and toals MADs produced by the Exynos is higher.
The screen also is a factor as FHD screen takes more time to push all the pixels on a 10.1 screen compared to a 4.3.
Architecture of chipset as well
Manufacture also plays a part. Their coding and software implementation to make the hardware and software work together. Samsung does better in this case. ASUS is always pushing updates.
Its not just the Infinity as this was the first thing I noticed when I got the Transformer Prime vs my S2. Does resolutions play a role? Maybe a bit more in the Infinity's case but the Prime and TF300 had resolutions that's not too far off from the Galaxy Nexus but the latter with 2 less cores sure did better than the Asus tablets.
Most of it is the cheap crappy internal memory Asus decided to use for their flagship device, some of it's the higher resolution.
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Most of it is the cheap crappy internal memory Asus decided to use for their flagship device, some of it's the higher resolution.
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My wife's apple ipad 3 with the high resolution runs smooth like a baby's butt. I could only wish my infinity ran that smooth. Since complaints aren't only coming from me now the proof is right here...this tablet was made without thinking. Basically Asus wanted a great tablet on paper to jump ahead of everyone, ON PAPER, but in reality it is a pretty bad device for such a large amount of money. Better off with a cheaper laptop with an SSD drive in it really.
Not to be funny, but my droid charge (2 years old, first samsung lte phone) is faster and smoother than tf700! Asus build a biggest giant cruise ship and forgot to plug a hole in the bottom of the ship!
As any gamer knows, higher resolution means more resources needed, which means a lower frames-per-second rate. It simply has to render more.
Your S2 has a resolution of 480 x 800, your TF700 a resolution of 1920x1280. In terms of resource difference between those two, it's pretty much the difference between running Minesweeper and running Skyrim.
Add to that the fact pretty much 99% of the apps are made for phones, and in most cases specifically the Galaxy series, and it's no surprise they run better on a small phone they're optimized for than on a large full HD tablet that most app-developers don't even consider.
ShadowLea said:
As any gamer knows, higher resolution means more resources needed, which means a lower frames-per-second rate. It simply has to render more.
Your S2 has a resolution of 480 x 800, your TF700 a resolution of 1920x1280. In terms of resource difference between those two, it's pretty much the difference between running Minesweeper and running Skyrim.
Add to that the fact pretty much 99% of the apps are made for phones, and in most cases specifically the Galaxy series, and it's no surprise they run better on a small phone they're optimized for than on a large full HD tablet that most app-developers don't even consider.
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The storage device is a piece of crap, there's nothing wrong with the graphics performance. Every single user experience issue with this tablet is down to data not getting read/written fast enough from/to storage. It's as simple as that.
Every application that uses "RAM" is subjective as fast as at my SGS2 (runnig CM9). But the i/o perfomance at stock ROM on my TF700 is really bad. With Browser2RAM surfing is a lot snapier but still not as snappy as at SGS2. Hopefully CM10 at TF700 works as much as possible around this storage issues.
Don't forget that the TF700T has the fastest RAM of all android devices that are on sale at the moment. But it has the slowest eMMC storage, too.
As far as the browser goes, use stock browser and if you are rooted, 1st look for app browser2ram and sideload it (and follow all instructions in thread dedicated to it), then (or for anyone else not rooted) type about:debug into browser address box, hit enter, then go to settings (three small vertcal dots in upper right hand corner of screen) and choose debug menu. Check the box next to Enable CPU Upload Pathand then close it. It speeds up the browser by a lot. I'm only using the stock browser now and I'm very satisfied with its performance.
The other suggestion I have for you that feel unhappy with the TF700's performance in general, is really consider unlocking, flashing a custom recovery (I highly recommend TWRP) and a rooted custom ROM, especially the CleanROM Ultra Light Edition v1.3. This JellyBean stock-based ROM is so fast and smooth and functional, you will wonder why you waited so long to have the device you had imagined. I kid you not. I've tried all the ROMs available for this device, and though they all have their strong points, for someone looking for a better than stock experience, where everything works, right now, this one's the best and it gets even better with each update. And this is just the beginning of wonderful development for the Infinity. This is honestly, a superb machine. We owe it to ourselves to take full advantage of it.
If you're running stock it's slow. If you optimise it it's pretty damn fast. Had mine lying next to an iPad 3 and they are on the same level. How to do it? Disable (a lot) of unneeded apps and use the right software (Firefox Aurora or the above mentioned Browser2Ram)
That's not much of a win considering the ipad 3 has a higher resolution with 2 less cpu cores and running 600mhz slower.
maedox said:
The storage device is a piece of crap, there's nothing wrong with the graphics performance. Every single user experience issue with this tablet is down to data not getting read/written fast enough from/to storage. It's as simple as that.
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Yup. This. The screen is a minor thing. If the ASUS engineers had not selected subpar parts for the internal SD, this thing would have absolute bleeding edge performance on every front. As it is, it often shows signs of brilliance but also has some limitations due to the system bottleneck. Your impression of the device user experience will depend heavily on your use model (and its associated memory footprint). The vast majority of issues/discussions wrt to this device basically come down to this one thing.
Barring some very serious OS hacking (ala the effort to allow external SD to replace internal) all the TF tabs will ALWAYS be limited by memory bandwidth. It's a hardware limitation. Either you can live with it or you can't. Too bad. Now that JB is here and the OS is finally decent/stable, this tab is one bad cost cutting measure away from being the undisputed best in class device in the industry. <shrug>
I'm not browsing very frequently and when I do, they are not heavy multimedia sites, so for me, the TF's certainly a really good user experience and I love the device. Games are great now that the driver bug is fixed for example. It's slightly frustrating knowing that the tab could have been amazing on EVERY front if they had spent another fifty cents on the memory... but that's life. I'll be happy if they just continue to support/stabilize/enhance the firmware. The hardware is what it is.
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That's not much of a win considering the ipad 3 has a higher resolution with 2 less cpu cores and running 600mhz slower.
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Well, I understand that the gpu is better and the whole ios thing is completely optimised for browsing, so yeah, it is kind of a good comparison in terms of user experience.
This!!!
My HTC Evo 4g LTE has more consistent performance than my TF700T....
It's kind of frustrating really and the fact that my daughter's ipad is ALWAYS smooth bothers the hell out of me...
Is this the way these things are designed or do I have a lemon on my hands?
The fact that there are articles instructing people that they can buy a $30 SD card and move their /data mount to the external micro SD card tells me this is a design issue...
There's nothing more frustrating than tapping the screen and not being able to tell if you mis tapped or if the tablet is IO locked and in a 'wait' state. and it happens way too damned much.
I'm not doing anything special.... all I can say is that I'm running a lot of apps and perhaps this is the problem (I've restricted background process to 4 and disabling all animations and am now using APEX launcher to even disable all animations + the wallpaper).
Max free RAM at any time is around ~250 MB...
I want to show this thing off but everytime I pull it out it's performing like **** and cache cleaning or rebooting doen't seem to help either...
Also to add - post JB I DID perform a factory reset as well. I've installed about 130 apps.
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Just curious, how does tf700 compare to other android tablets? Is it a a lot slower or less smooth? It one thing to compare it to phones. I want to know how it compares to a Samsung note 10.1.
Hi, all,
I may return the tf700 (bad LCD, a few spots (not pixels) brighter when all white) to BB.
I have tf700 OTA to Jelly bean latest, and I do notice some lag when opening stock browser, sometimes transitioning between apps etc.
I read many reviews comparing the two, but most before the latest OTAs arrived on tf700. I really wonder with all the recent OTAs, how does the tf700 score with the Note 10.1 tablet?
In the old days (aug/sep), note 10.1 felt better with smoothness because of the hardware I suppose? Is that advantage still presenting itself after tf700 moved to Jelly Bean? How good/bad is battery life between the two now?
Thanks!
P.S. I think Deusdies was in a similar situation before, but that was a couple months ago.
The 10.1 Note is known to be smoother due to it not having a full HD screen.
So if you can live with lower resolution you may find the note smoother out of the box.
However, the TF700 offers other opportunities; Keyboard Dock, battery life, much better screen, USB ports, very quick once unlocked and rooted, etc
sbdags said:
The 10.1 Note is known to be smoother due to it not having a full HD screen.
So if you can live with lower resolution you may find the note smoother out of the box.
However, the TF700 offers other opportunities; Keyboard Dock, battery life, much better screen, USB ports, very quick once unlocked and rooted, etc
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The low res is probably ok, but I kind of hate to leave TF700 as the less bright Note 10.1 will almost certainly struggle when reading needs to be done with signficant reflections. So I would either carefully check the TF700 hoping to find a good piece (without screen installation problem/etc, but have to bare with i/o freezing...), or just go with Note with suboptimal screen brightness ....
Try Nexus 10? My sister has 10.1 and after using Nexus 7 I really notice pixels on Note. It's not terrible, but you will probably notice it even more than I will. I suppose it takes time to adjust from higher to lower PPI. Nexus 10 however has 300 PPI and is probably the top 10 incher out there, not sure.
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I have done a lot of research on the tf700t and will have to say its better built and more durable than Samsung galaxy note.
After reading all the reviews on how the a700 is sluggish on ICS, Ive stayed away. However there are some really good deals on it right now, and I saw that it had the JB update. Does that resolve the sluggishness issues? Is it worth buying now? I'd love the extra resolution for PDFs etc, but don't want to deal with something that feels slow all the time.
Actually, the device is not as smooth as a galaxy s2 with jelly bean and aswell it's not as smooth as a galaxy tab 2 10.1, it still lags a bit, but it doesn't really disturb.
Edit: Actually speaking for the last official Acer Jellybean.
However, speaking of the better resolution, the display is not worth the buy, I have seen better displays with 1280x800 pixels, for example the Sony Xperia Tablet S display. The A700 Display is not very bright, also the light sensor is bugged and you basically allways use the lowest brightness settings and the display does not have a good contrast aswell, the resolution is fine, but I enjoy to work with other tablet displays a lot more.
what do you expect? it is a FullHD tablet, so you can expect slowdowns due to the high resolution.
If you don't like it, get a Nexus 10. apparently it is very smooth.
I can say that the A700 runs now more smoothly with custom roms (Coolrom 700 or IconiaN 2.2 with a custom Kernel).
So for the price it IS worth buying.
I bought the Asus Infinity after I got tired of the ICS sluggishness on the a700.
After the JB update came for the a700, I went back and forth between the Acer and the Asus.
This this week, I decided to sell the Infinity and keep the Acer a700..better sound, more responsive (the IO issue on the Infinity was killing me), and I found better battery life.
If I were you, I'd wait for the next batch of tablets powered by Tegra 4. 2560x1600
himmatsj said:
If I were you, I'd wait for the next batch of tablets powered by Tegra 4. 2560x1600
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More resolution more problems to handle good performance i think.
i don´t know what you expect to get for around 370€. Keep in mind the price and what it has on the good side. When you want to have the best, you need to pay for the best. But everything has an other side.
I wanted a tablett,which is fast enough and has the ability for getting a stock 4.2 and a good picture (sound) for watching videos, photos and tv. First i started with a 220€ lcpower sinai-1 tablett. compared to what i got for 150€ more, the acer makes me in every point happy:
- a much better case,
- a lightnings better Panel and Display glass (i mean gorilla) - try to cleaned the other one, it was not possible without cleaner, bad contrast? Not really. My photos looks brilliant, its brighter than all my laptops. together with ips angle stability it´s a great pleasure against photos frames i know.
- long lasting battery life
- everybody is writing on lags. I didn´t reallized them. But i don´t want to play with it. Maybe there are some games which are currently to much for this resolution. Its the same like on laptops, gaming is premium class LOL
- i get covers for it.
I noticed, that eather the alternative tabletts are not on stock, or are much expensiver or are much cheaper. Around 250-350 € are no tabletts. And i wanted to have warrenty, so a china import was not a choice, from the quality not speaking.
And we can root it!
If you don´t want the high resolution, you can choose maybe the a510. It depends on your preferences.
Got an Acer A701 last august, with ICS on, paid the equivalent of 550€ back then. I installed an unofficial JB 4.1.1 ROM back in november, it improved a lot, heating problems have almost totally gone away, system is more responsive, beside the JB improvements and tweaks. In general, tablet's quality is good. I have a protective case but no screen protector, the screen looks like new after six months anyway. I'd love it to be a bit thinner, but nevertheless. I'm very satisfied with my purchase.
The stock launcher seems to attribute to the slow response. I have been using Nova Launcher with JB and the response is night and day. It is almost as fast as my Galaxy S3.
Now that I have a new tablet I have found that my old TF101 is sitting on the self gathering dust. I'm trying to think of ways to make the most of it.
My note 8.0 is now my day to day use and travel companion (gaming, social media, notes and sketching)
I have traditionally used my PS3 for Games, TV (playTV), streaming services and watching media on my NAS but since the DRM has started to prevent me watching my ripped DVDs I barely use it for that any more.
I've been looking into XBMC for the TF101 and have been wondering if there is away i can control it remotely so that I dont have to get up from the sofa everytime I wish to change shows etc.
I'll also probably continue to use it to view magazines and comics as i preffer the larger screen for that use.
I dont intend on taking it out of my flat as I find the 10 inch form factor too large for portable use.
Can anyone suggest other or improved ways that I can utilise my tf101 in conjuntion with my other gear?
Im running TEAM EOS4 rom and kat kernal (release is about 2 months old), OC'd to 1400.
I'd love to be able to run skygo from it but it doesnt look like it is ever going to be supported.
Hey I am planning to sell my transformer and buy an nexus 7 and I was wondering that r u satisfied with you note 8 as its kinda similar to the nexus 7, cuz I am being conflicted with the idea of selling my tf101 for an nexus 7 but with a much higher speed and gaming performance.
With that how is the gaming, movie and web experience compared to that of the tf101 , Oh and mail experience too l
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alizafar said:
Hey I am planning to sell my transformer and buy an nexus 7 and I was wondering that r u satisfied with you note 8 as its kinda similar to the nexus 7, cuz I am being conflicted with the idea of selling my tf101 for an nexus 7 but with a much higher speed and gaming performance.
With that how is the gaming, movie and web experience compared to that of the tf101 , Oh and mail experience too l
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I hadn't seen your reply until just now.
Yes I'm very satisfied with my note. The performance is excelent and it is much more convenient as a day to day companion. I found the Nexus 7 a little to small, but thats just personal prefference. For gaming performance is should be about on par with the note and I'm happy with the results. The one downside of the Nexus 7 is the lack of expandable memory, so for gaming you will need to be looking at the largest possible memory size. I use folder mount on my note to transfer the game files to my external micro SD. this isnt an option with the nexus.
Gaming experience. Better - less combersome and heavy (tired arms with extended play on tf101)
movie experience - on par. better PPI means sharper images but its a smaller screen. bigger is always better for movies in my opinion.
web - on par. same screen resolution means I can fit as much on the screen as I could on the TF101.
email - id say better, mainly because i preffer the lighter tablet. makes it more of a pleasure to use.
reading - for books i think its better but I like to read comics as well and find that the screen is a little to small for my liking.
Main benefit - performance and portability. I always new my TF101 was in my bag due to the size and weight. My note is far less of a burden.
At the moment im only keeping the tf101 as a comic book reader, but im trying to make it my media centre for home use as my ps3 is a little overkill for that task and I am energy consious (both cost and environmental reasons). If I didnt have my note, I'd still be making good use of the TF101 though as it is a really good machine (especially if you have a JB rom and have it overclocked).
I want a 1080p 10 inch tablet mostly for watching mpeg2 1080i shows i download from my TiVo. I had picked up a refurb tf700 but returned it because it played my mpeg2's a little choppy. Also it was only giving me 2 hrs of playback with brightness all the way up. If i were to root and overclock tf700 would i get acceptable smooth mpeg2 hd playback? Wondering if i should pick up a used tf700 for around $275 or spend $350 for memo fhd. Can anyone who's used both compare for me. Most important to me is how the screen/picture looks. Black level. Battery life. Which looks better out doors? I know memo has more ram but i dont do much multi tasking so if interface is a little slower its not a big deal. Memo cpu uses different 86 architecture, not sure what that will mean. I dont game on tablet either