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Since it is official that the Note 10.1 will be available tomorrow I thought I would pose the question since I am having trouble making the decision. Note taking on the tab is important to me, probably in my top 4 needs. I have not had much success with my stylus choice,as of yet, for SuperNote on the infinity or the prime when I owned it. My finger has been the best pen. Question is, does anyone recommend a stylus that makes note taking extra smooth on the infinity with Supernote as it would compare to the 10.1 or samsung note experience? Thoughts?
Dagi Stylus (p603 for example) is very accurate:
http://youtu.be/nP5dRXlEBSc?hd=1&t=29s
For note taking, I would recommend just using the dock for the infinity. I am sure the Galaxy Note 10.1 will be very good for handwritten notes. However, I had some issues with the Galaxy Note phone in terms of calibration of the pen and some lag. Maybe this will be fixed on the 10.1 tablet.
I'd think the Wacom digitizer on the Note 10.1 (rather than the stylus alone) would give you a better note taking experience on the Samsung Note 10.1 than the Transformer Infinity.
If you must have handwritten notes, the Note 10.1 is the way to go. If you can type, try to go for an Infinity (or even TF300) with the keyboard dock.
My Decision
I posted this in another thread but felt the need to post here as well since I started this thread. Thank you all for your input
I have struggled with this decision since I traded my 201 for the infinity. I knew that the 10.1 would come out during my 30 day exchange so was not too concerned. I want and need to take notes on my pad but also use it for entertainment. The soft sided stylus just does not cut it, although I think supernote is a real good program. My best stylus was my finger. I asked for recommendations in another post and am happy to report that the adonit jot pro is a winner with my infinity.
I believe that the infinity is hands down a better product than the samsung ( I do have a minor drop out issue with wifi that I still have not isolated but believe I can fix with some tweeks to my home network, being it is the only place I have minor issue) . The jot pro works perfect. Had to get rid of the zagg screen protector and am looking for a suitable replacement ( anyone have any ideas) because the the zagg is too sticky. With the jot and supernote it exceeds all of my needs.
Main Deciding factors:
Jot and supernote sufficiently re-create s pen experience.
FULL HD on Infinity
ASUS commitment to upgrade Operating System
Option of using TF keyboard
HD out on Infinity
I believe true multi tasking in Android is less than six months away for all so that feature is short lived for Samsung
Tired of changing tabs.
Had the note included resolution to match the newer tablets then I'd have considered it even with a hundred dollar increase. When I get a chance to play with it then maybe I will change my mind.
I say stick with the infinity just because Asus updates their devices way more often than Samsung. The galaxy S II didn't get ICS until relatively recently for example. Absurd given the Galaxy S II was their flagship device a mere 6 months ago.
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Honestly, there are several hands on and deep impressions out there. Doesn't sound very impressive. Part of me was considering exchanging the tf700 for it, not anymore.
its a hard question because the tegra 3 turned out to not be as good as everyone expected it to be, the quad exynos sounds amazing however. but after the .26 update fixed i/o the infinity is very fast and the browsing is much better than the prime, but in my experience samsung has an excellent browser performance. you should go check the note out in a store if you are seriously considering getting the note. i personally think the infinity is a much better tablet because of the screen, the faster updates, the metal build quality, and the dock. the note is still a very good tablet though
I would have definitely got the note if it wasn't for the resolution. Those processors are beast.
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I sent my TF700 back last week and will be picking up a Note today. I'll let you know what I find in comparison.
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Reviews are not very good so far. Verge hammered it. Ah well, every device has it's fans on xda I hope you guys who grab one enjoy it.
Note build quality is good. Thin and light. Screen decent. Feels much more responsive than the TF700.
Display not as nice as the Asus but I will take the better performance over the screen. Pen is nice but not sure how useful it will be . I like the dual front facing speakers. Quite loud.
Ran a couple of benchmarks .... for comparison sakes only.
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I too debated between the two tablets. I had the HTC Jetstream, which also had an active stylus, and the Galaxy Note phone. In the end, I found that handwritten notes were not as efficient as using a keyboard. Also, handwriting recognition apps are just too frustrating. I am sold on the Transformer series with the dock. I really like having the tablet propped up in the traditional laptop fashion. I do like that the Note tablet has 2 GB of RAM, which I wish the Inifinity had. I have 2 GB of RAM on my Galaxy S3 phone and I find that I don't worry about killing apps in the background. I am sure 1 GB is fine though.
Regarding a screen protector, I got the clear Acase protector from Amazon. It went on very easily and I don't even notice it. Also, it works just fine with the dock, so I definitely recommend it.
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I was debating between the two tabs too...I've decided on neither.
Like the previous Asais tabs, Infinity still has built quality issues, flash memory speed hasn't increased and the battery capacity is the same as prime...silly to increase the resolution and cpu speed....but not the battery capacity.
On Note, going by the reviews, it does not look like a premium product, not for $500+ at least. Even though the benchmarks are high it still has lag.
I'll wait for the next android tablet, otherwise it's onto MS Surface.
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Note build quality is good. Thin and light. Screen decent. Feels much more responsive than the TF700.
Display not as nice as the Asus but I will take the better performance over the screen. Pen is nice but not sure how useful it will be . I like the dual front facing speakers. Quite loud.
Ran a couple of benchmarks .... for comparison sakes only.
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Wow benchmark dont seem that far away...with antutu i get like 12400
seems like the review benchmarks over exaggerated?
I read that the infinity antutu score was close with the Note in some other reviews but that was the only one of 7 or 8 in which the TF700 was close. I don't recall now what I was getting on Quadrant with Asus but I think it was much lower. At any rate, the Note has no lag at all. Peppy even.
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Wow benchmark dont seem that far away...with antutu i get like 12400
seems like the review benchmarks over exaggerated?
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I think those marks reflect my experience in usage. Not comparable to the infinity as the Note is in a whole other league. I honestly feel the Tegra does not match the hype.
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Hi there I'm a sammy geek in relation to my mobile had s2 note s3 and just about to get note 2 on Monday however I am a apple ite concerning my tablet
I have had enough of apple and want to know if the note 10.1 is a worthy replacement ?
I use my ipad for sat nav photo editing facebook games and internet
Most important is adobe photoshop which is built into the note 10.1 plus of course that fantastic pen which the ipad doesn't have
I want to know has anyone took the step I'm losing £300 on trade in if I do as I have the 64gb 4g version so want to be sure
How good is the tablet for speed multi tasking watching film and playing music
Any help gratefully received
Thanks
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Speed of the Note is one of the fastest tablets I have tried, including the iPad3. Once you start using the stylus and other TouchWiz features (ie. floating video, split screen, floating calculator, etc.) you'll be hooked.
Just wondering, is there a return policy if you decide not to keep the Note?
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I use my ipad for:
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Sat nav - The Note will be better. You'll have more options for s/w and the front-facing speakers are loud and should be easy to hear. It also supports Glonass.
photo editing - Probably a tie. Depending on the detail you're editing to the Note could win based on the added value of the S-Pen.
facebook - The iPad app is proably better aesthetically but it'll work the same on both devices.
games - Depends on the games.
internet - The Note has the best browsing experience of any Andorid tablet. But I'm guessing the iPad's will still be more fluid but no more functional.
speed - It's the fastest Android tablet available. Because iOS is both so stuctured and limited it tends to be more fluid. But in terms of getting stuff done they should perform the same.
multi tasking - A huge benefit. The clipboard is also more of a scrap book. As you collect things from the web or apps and copy them they remain in the clipboard to be used later. Even after a reboot.
watching film - If you're coming from a retina display iPad you may notice some loss in definition. But the Note's display is great with very accurate color rendering. You can also watch a video in split view while you're doing something else or use Pop-up-play to watch a video while using the tablet normally. I watch a lot of video and am pleased with the display.
playing music - The Note has the same Wolfson DAC that's in the SGS3. Audio reproduction is brilliant. It also has BT 4.0 with aptX support which is a lossless playback method if your BT speakers or headphones support it.
mancuk29 said:
Hi there I'm a sammy geek in relation to my mobile had s2 note s3 and just about to get note 2 on Monday however I am a apple ite concerning my tablet
I have had enough of apple and want to know if the note 10.1 is a worthy replacement ?
I use my ipad for sat nav photo editing facebook games and internet
Most important is adobe photoshop which is built into the note 10.1 plus of course that fantastic pen which the ipad doesn't have
I want to know has anyone took the step I'm losing £300 on trade in if I do as I have the 64gb 4g version so want to be sure
How good is the tablet for speed multi tasking watching film and playing music
Any help gratefully received
Thanks
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I have an iPad 2 [i didn't see much of an upgrade to the iPad3] and the Note 10.1
I love both of them.
I find this tablet a lot more useful than the iPad.
multi-tasking i great. Not perfect.
watching movies is great [with the stereo].
music... well louder than my iPad.
I have the Note 10.1, my wife has the Ipad3. Due to her liking the Note 10.1 a lot better, we're saving to buy another Note 10.1 and we'll give the Ipad to my daughter.
Neither of us sees a noticeable difference in the screen, but some people do. Realistically, you probably won't note the difference with movies or pics. However, you may notice a difference in small fonts. If you read small fonts in normal use, you may notice a large difference. I HIGHLY recommend comparing screens for yourself. That way you'll know for sure what the resolution difference will mean to you.
For watching movies, the Note 10.1 wins hands down. Because of screen aspect ratios you have a 8.9 inch screen on the Ipad and a 10 inch screen with the Note 10.1. (Given a 16:9 movie.) Combined with the speakers--which are FAR superior on the Note--movie watching is a much better experience with the Note. Same with music, the speakers on the Note just blow the Ipad away.
There's no contest when it comes to photo touch up. The s-pen makes a night and day difference. Selecting areas of the photo with the pen is a game changer.
OK, now the downside to the Note 10.1. There was an update--which got pulled--that makes the Note a much better machine. Smoother with less bugs. With the update my Note runs great, without it I got a little annoyed. The update is in the development section here, so you can still update. However some people--a small minority I believe--have had problems with the update. For some, the pen stopped working. That's probably why Sammy pulled the update. The good news is that we can be sure that Samsung is working on the bugs the pre-update Note has, since they addressed them in the update. Jelly Bean should be along soon. So if you get the Note 10.1 and choose not to update you'll have to live with a few annoying bugs until Jelly Bean is released.
I like my new Asus Transformer Infinity, but not as much as I love my Samsung Galaxy sII. It bugs me that it appears that a lot of apps are much smoother/faster in loading data on the SII than on the Infinity, while the former is a year older with a slower CPU.
Does anyone has the same experience?
And what could be the cause?
On both devices I use almost the same apps, have the same accounts installed and i use the same wifi connection. My sII still uses ICS and my infinty JB (which in my opinion is much better then before), Both unrooted.
When I run the usual benchmarks (quadrant, antutu, browsermark), I get the scores you would expect: Infinity scores clearly higher than the SII and conform the results that other users report. Internet speed tests do also give expected results,
I'm experiencing the following. A lot of apps that load some data from the web (news apps for example) show a delay of 1 or 2 seconds, while the SII often loads the data instantly. Browsing on the SII gives me a smooth experience, while browsing on the Infinity often results in a couple of seconds that the tablet is unresponsive when the page is not loaded completely.
This effect is the strongest in the Stumbleupon app, which probably has an inferior browser built-in, but my SII still loads the new pages really fast. The infinity shows a lot of unresponsiveness in Stumbleupon and it results in a lot of ANR popups.
The ANR popups are not so prevalant in other apps. This did happen a lot more with ICS. On my SII I almost never get an ANR.
I understand that the tablet needs to render for a much higher resolution and that the tablet has some issues with IO performance. But can this make such a difference? Could it be that most apps are so terribly designed for tablets, that the tablet needs a lot of CPU time to upscale, which causes unresponiveness?
Or is it just my tablet?
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I understand that the tablet needs to render for a much higher resolution and that the tablet has some issues with IO performance. But can this make such a difference?
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yes.
You are not alone. I also have a galaxy s2,and it's a lot faster than this tablet.
It is not that surprising. My Sensation also feel faster and more reliable than my Infinity, guess it is just right that the S2 is much faster. And yes, the resolution does matter a lot. Imagine running Skyrim or Crysis II a 1024x768 resolution versus at 1920x1080, the difference in frame rates will blow you away.
Yup,
Most games and apps are designed for phones not tablets.
Applications for phones driving that big 'ole 1920X1200 screen with a 12 core GPU just ain't going to respond the same as the junior sized screens at a much lower resolution.
Just wait when the apps catch on to the HD wave there will be many happy campers.
Takes time...
Asus uses a tegra and samsung uses exynos. The exynos/malli processor/GPU seems to perform much better than tegra despite that tegra is made by nvidia. on paper the GFLOPS and toals MADs produced by the Exynos is higher.
The screen also is a factor as FHD screen takes more time to push all the pixels on a 10.1 screen compared to a 4.3.
Architecture of chipset as well
Manufacture also plays a part. Their coding and software implementation to make the hardware and software work together. Samsung does better in this case. ASUS is always pushing updates.
Its not just the Infinity as this was the first thing I noticed when I got the Transformer Prime vs my S2. Does resolutions play a role? Maybe a bit more in the Infinity's case but the Prime and TF300 had resolutions that's not too far off from the Galaxy Nexus but the latter with 2 less cores sure did better than the Asus tablets.
Most of it is the cheap crappy internal memory Asus decided to use for their flagship device, some of it's the higher resolution.
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Most of it is the cheap crappy internal memory Asus decided to use for their flagship device, some of it's the higher resolution.
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My wife's apple ipad 3 with the high resolution runs smooth like a baby's butt. I could only wish my infinity ran that smooth. Since complaints aren't only coming from me now the proof is right here...this tablet was made without thinking. Basically Asus wanted a great tablet on paper to jump ahead of everyone, ON PAPER, but in reality it is a pretty bad device for such a large amount of money. Better off with a cheaper laptop with an SSD drive in it really.
Not to be funny, but my droid charge (2 years old, first samsung lte phone) is faster and smoother than tf700! Asus build a biggest giant cruise ship and forgot to plug a hole in the bottom of the ship!
As any gamer knows, higher resolution means more resources needed, which means a lower frames-per-second rate. It simply has to render more.
Your S2 has a resolution of 480 x 800, your TF700 a resolution of 1920x1280. In terms of resource difference between those two, it's pretty much the difference between running Minesweeper and running Skyrim.
Add to that the fact pretty much 99% of the apps are made for phones, and in most cases specifically the Galaxy series, and it's no surprise they run better on a small phone they're optimized for than on a large full HD tablet that most app-developers don't even consider.
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As any gamer knows, higher resolution means more resources needed, which means a lower frames-per-second rate. It simply has to render more.
Your S2 has a resolution of 480 x 800, your TF700 a resolution of 1920x1280. In terms of resource difference between those two, it's pretty much the difference between running Minesweeper and running Skyrim.
Add to that the fact pretty much 99% of the apps are made for phones, and in most cases specifically the Galaxy series, and it's no surprise they run better on a small phone they're optimized for than on a large full HD tablet that most app-developers don't even consider.
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The storage device is a piece of crap, there's nothing wrong with the graphics performance. Every single user experience issue with this tablet is down to data not getting read/written fast enough from/to storage. It's as simple as that.
Every application that uses "RAM" is subjective as fast as at my SGS2 (runnig CM9). But the i/o perfomance at stock ROM on my TF700 is really bad. With Browser2RAM surfing is a lot snapier but still not as snappy as at SGS2. Hopefully CM10 at TF700 works as much as possible around this storage issues.
Don't forget that the TF700T has the fastest RAM of all android devices that are on sale at the moment. But it has the slowest eMMC storage, too.
As far as the browser goes, use stock browser and if you are rooted, 1st look for app browser2ram and sideload it (and follow all instructions in thread dedicated to it), then (or for anyone else not rooted) type about:debug into browser address box, hit enter, then go to settings (three small vertcal dots in upper right hand corner of screen) and choose debug menu. Check the box next to Enable CPU Upload Pathand then close it. It speeds up the browser by a lot. I'm only using the stock browser now and I'm very satisfied with its performance.
The other suggestion I have for you that feel unhappy with the TF700's performance in general, is really consider unlocking, flashing a custom recovery (I highly recommend TWRP) and a rooted custom ROM, especially the CleanROM Ultra Light Edition v1.3. This JellyBean stock-based ROM is so fast and smooth and functional, you will wonder why you waited so long to have the device you had imagined. I kid you not. I've tried all the ROMs available for this device, and though they all have their strong points, for someone looking for a better than stock experience, where everything works, right now, this one's the best and it gets even better with each update. And this is just the beginning of wonderful development for the Infinity. This is honestly, a superb machine. We owe it to ourselves to take full advantage of it.
If you're running stock it's slow. If you optimise it it's pretty damn fast. Had mine lying next to an iPad 3 and they are on the same level. How to do it? Disable (a lot) of unneeded apps and use the right software (Firefox Aurora or the above mentioned Browser2Ram)
That's not much of a win considering the ipad 3 has a higher resolution with 2 less cpu cores and running 600mhz slower.
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The storage device is a piece of crap, there's nothing wrong with the graphics performance. Every single user experience issue with this tablet is down to data not getting read/written fast enough from/to storage. It's as simple as that.
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Yup. This. The screen is a minor thing. If the ASUS engineers had not selected subpar parts for the internal SD, this thing would have absolute bleeding edge performance on every front. As it is, it often shows signs of brilliance but also has some limitations due to the system bottleneck. Your impression of the device user experience will depend heavily on your use model (and its associated memory footprint). The vast majority of issues/discussions wrt to this device basically come down to this one thing.
Barring some very serious OS hacking (ala the effort to allow external SD to replace internal) all the TF tabs will ALWAYS be limited by memory bandwidth. It's a hardware limitation. Either you can live with it or you can't. Too bad. Now that JB is here and the OS is finally decent/stable, this tab is one bad cost cutting measure away from being the undisputed best in class device in the industry. <shrug>
I'm not browsing very frequently and when I do, they are not heavy multimedia sites, so for me, the TF's certainly a really good user experience and I love the device. Games are great now that the driver bug is fixed for example. It's slightly frustrating knowing that the tab could have been amazing on EVERY front if they had spent another fifty cents on the memory... but that's life. I'll be happy if they just continue to support/stabilize/enhance the firmware. The hardware is what it is.
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That's not much of a win considering the ipad 3 has a higher resolution with 2 less cpu cores and running 600mhz slower.
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Well, I understand that the gpu is better and the whole ios thing is completely optimised for browsing, so yeah, it is kind of a good comparison in terms of user experience.
This!!!
My HTC Evo 4g LTE has more consistent performance than my TF700T....
It's kind of frustrating really and the fact that my daughter's ipad is ALWAYS smooth bothers the hell out of me...
Is this the way these things are designed or do I have a lemon on my hands?
The fact that there are articles instructing people that they can buy a $30 SD card and move their /data mount to the external micro SD card tells me this is a design issue...
There's nothing more frustrating than tapping the screen and not being able to tell if you mis tapped or if the tablet is IO locked and in a 'wait' state. and it happens way too damned much.
I'm not doing anything special.... all I can say is that I'm running a lot of apps and perhaps this is the problem (I've restricted background process to 4 and disabling all animations and am now using APEX launcher to even disable all animations + the wallpaper).
Max free RAM at any time is around ~250 MB...
I want to show this thing off but everytime I pull it out it's performing like **** and cache cleaning or rebooting doen't seem to help either...
Also to add - post JB I DID perform a factory reset as well. I've installed about 130 apps.
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Just curious, how does tf700 compare to other android tablets? Is it a a lot slower or less smooth? It one thing to compare it to phones. I want to know how it compares to a Samsung note 10.1.
First off let me start by saying that I just picked up the Note 10.1 and I love it. However with the Surface Pro right around the corner I am wondering if I should return my Note and wait for the Surface? I realize the the Surface will be a little more money and for the purpose of this thread I would like to leave the price out of it. I would like to focus this discussion on taking notes and comparing the two for that and that ONLY. My primary use is for taking notes by hand with the stylus. Does anyone know if the pen on the Surface Pro will be better then the Note? Is the lag any better? Any other thoughts? Will taking notes using S-Note be better then with OneNote? Again, focusing on note taking with the pen please...
The surface pro has a pen? O__O
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Yes the Surface Pro has a pen input and comes with a pen according to the specification page on Microsoft homepage. I wasn't sure so I looked it up.
what lag?
http://product.metamoji.com/en/anytime/
With this app, it should be perfect but I cannot confirm as I don't have a Windows tab or this software:
Surface pro isn't as portable as the note, it is very thick and large and will cost nearly more than twice the note, for sure windows 8 with android emulators is the best of both worlds (I have an android app emulator on my w8 laptop ) but is case of portability price and functionality I consider the note to be best for it, get surface pro as a laptop replacement not tab replacement, and personally I will go for samsungs ativ smart pro tab it is better in specs, screen and it is samsung
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Surface pro isn't as portable as the note, it is very thick and large and will cost nearly more than twice the note, for sure windows 8 with android emulators is the best of both worlds (I have an android app emulator on my w8 laptop ) but is case of portability price and functionality I consider the note to be best for it, get surface pro as a laptop replacement not tab replacement, and personally I will go for samsungs ativ smart pro tab it is better in specs, screen and it is samsung
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I agree. The touch cover keyboard is quite painful to type on, too. The type cover one is better, but adds too much bulk.
Note 10.1 is still the best.
Op perhaps you should consider a note 2 and a Surface pro? Best of both worlds.
Personally, I'm not impressed with the supposed battery life of the pro. Early suggestions give it around 4-5 hours, though early reports suggest around 2 - 3 IF you are using it for anything other then surfing. Even at 4 - 5 hours I am out. I used to love my x61 with its 5 hour battery life, now though it does my head in after using the note where I get an average 9 hours battery life.
Thanks for all the great replies and constructive ideas. That is always refreshing to see here. Someone suggested getting the note 2 phone and the surface pro. I actually already have the note 2 and its an awesome device IMO. The lag btw that I was referring to is just the delay behind faster strokes which isn't really an issue except to the anal. The size is a concern of the pro, I guess I will just have to hold it and see. I didn't know how the pen on the note works compared to the pro. Are they both using the same digitizer dpi technology? Also I have heard the full version of Onenote is pretty much the holy grail of note taking apps. Hopefully the pro comes out before my note return policy expires.
On anoter note , are there any screen protectors out there I wonder to specifically give the tablet more of a "paper" feel?
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Thanks for all the great replies and constructive ideas. That is always refreshing to see here. Someone suggested getting the note 2 phone and the surface pro. I actually already have the note 2 and its an awesome device IMO. The lag btw that I was referring to is just the delay behind faster strokes which isn't really an issue except to the anal. The size is a concern of the pro, I guess I will just have to hold it and see. I didn't know how the pen on the note works compared to the pro. Are they both using the same digitizer dpi technology? Also I have heard the full version of Onenote is pretty much the holy grail of note taking apps. Hopefully the pro comes out before my note return policy expires.
On anoter note , are there any screen protectors out there I wonder to specifically give the tablet more of a "paper" feel?
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Try antiglare screen protector it has rough finish like a paper
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I'm not terribly familiar with the Surface Pro, and I'm not too keen on Windows 8.
I do, however, have a Note 10.1, and a convertible tablet laptop, ca. 2008. It came with Windows Vista preinstalled, and I installed Microsoft Onenote.
I can say that, hands down, Onenote is the greatest note-taking application ever. Samsung's S-Note is a like a preschool toy compared to Onenote. I hope S-Note will be improved, but I doubt it will ever be as good as Onenote.
That said, S-Note is... satisfactory.
You are comparing a 450$ tablet with a probably 1000$ dollars PC. If you have the money(you obviously do) and don't mind the increased weight, there is no reason not to get the Surface Pro. You'll have a superior experience in every way.
If you're going get a Windows 8 Pro tablet, check out the Kupa
http://www.kupaworld.com/Products.html
http://www.engadget.com/2012/10/10/kupa-ultranote-windows-8-modular-tablet-hands-on-video/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_V_LK85LKE
Better Specs than Surface Pro
I have been running a Samsung Slate with W8 a while now.
Office 2013 with OneNote is superior to SNote and anything in the Android space at the moment.
The biggest drawback is still the power hungry Intel chipset, still even with the latest iterations.
For me for a tablet to be viable it has to have at least 6-8+ hours of battery life in normal operation (inking in OneNote, with good enough backlight on the screen). This is something Intel has not been able to deliver (if one do not con't the Atom, as that has to few horse power to run W8 in my opinion).
So I use the Note for meeting and light inking stuff, and OneNote for all the heavy inking lifting.
Just my 2 cent.
Ok, first things first. Do you want a Surface Pro or a Win8 Tablet? There will be a LOT of Win8 tablets with pens out (in fact, there are a few out now) in a variety of sizes and weights.
There are a few common things though.
ALL Pro tablets are running some kind of x86 processor (Atom, Sandy Bridge, i3, i5...) and ALL of these eat more current because they're more powerful CPUs. That means shorter battery life for the same battery size. They also tend to have higher resolution screens since the best resolution for Win8 is 1366x768, but most Android tablets are 1280x800, so it's not that big a difference and some have 1920x1080 or higher.
Unlike WinRT, you get full access to the desktop and can run all Win7 and Win8 apps.
In terms of price, it's kind of all over the place - the Asus Vivo is $500, for example. My Samsung Slate 7 is a hardware reference platform for Win8 and it's $1000-$1350 depending on the config.
http://www.tgdaily.com/mobility-features/68046-500-asus-vivotab-smart-goes-up-for-pre-order
In fact, the Asus Vivo might be a good one to consider:
http://www.asus.com/Tablet/VivoTab/ASUS_VivoTab/
So to flip the question - why a Note 10? Well, for me, it's convenience and compactness. I use the Slate 7 for heavy lifting or complex graphics where I want to use full Photoshop or Painter. But carrying the Slate around is annoying. You need to have a keyboard and a mouse for programming on it. So I have a Golla bag with all of that in it and you're never sure the battery will be charged when you need it. I tend to see the Slate as a VERY portable i5 desktop system - I tend to see the Note as an electronic notebook on steroids. The battery lasts days, I can take notes, draw, watch videos etc.. and it's very seamless. I carry the Note with me everywhere... I don't carry the Slate everywhere.
They're BOTH good, useful devices, but the use patterns are different.
TheWerewolf said:
best resolution for Win8 is 1366x768
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VERY MUCH OUTDATED Statement
Acer W700
Kupa
Sony Vaio Duo 11
Samsung ATIV Smart PC Pro 700T
ALL 1080P
1920X1080
Now that it is out, has anyone tried the stylus? Please stick to thread topic which is comparing note taking ONLY.
Hi there,
i just wanted to hear your suggestions. I am going to get Galaxy Tab 2 for my old playstion 3, which i never use. But is the Tab 2 worth it ? If i compare CPU power and ppi resolution the specs are rather bad.
Is the tablet as smooth as a galaxy s3 mobile phone? Whats about the resolution ? Sure the nexus 10 got a lot more, but is it worth it ? I will use the tab just for surfing the web, controlling my home cinema system and playing some small games on the couch at home.
Whats about the battery performace? Will it get through a hole day without recharging it?
Custom roms, which i will surly get offer OC to CPU, will i notice this 30-40% more power in my daily use? e.g. Smoothness ?
I hope to get some information
thanks alot and greetings from germany
If you compare any phone or tablet's processing power to the PS3, the PS3 will definitely destroy the competition, so the comparison is pretty useless.
If you rarely use your PS3 then I think you should get a Tab 2 or Nexus 10. You're not gonna play any CPU-intensive games, right? The Tab 2 can handle them, albeit with a little (only a little) lag.
It is pretty damn smooth on my stock ROM Tab, but Touchwiz Launcher lags way more than any other launcher on the market, so I recommend getting Nova or Apex launcher from Play.
My Tab 2 7.0 lasts a whole day and a half without too much intense gaming. I would recommend the Nexus 10 if you like getting Android updates earlier, but it's your choice.
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sry for the missunderstanding, i dont want to compare my ps3 to an tablet, just got offer to switch my ps3 for a galaxy tab 2 10.1 wifi + 3g. And cause the playstion is just standing around, and collecting dusk i am going to do the switch.
for any "performance" games i have really nice computer . The tablet would just be "fun". browsing the web while sitting on the couch or cooking. controlling my home cinema (apps and wlan) and be ready to take away while traveling. so no big deal.
the only thing that makes my a little bit precarious is the "slow" cpu and the "bad" resolution
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Who said anything about a bad resolution? Also, are you sure the PS3 is not being used? At all?
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1280 x 800 is really not state of the art. full hd resolution would really be nice.
at work we have two galaxy note tabs, i must say. the 146 ppi seems to be ok, not anymore needed here
You should go for the tab 2 10.1. It will suit you perfectly. I can game on mine for a full day without recharging. As for the `slow` CPU, its actually quite fast. In a benchmark I got mine only 300 points behind the HTC one X.
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don't
Don't buy it dude....go get a chinese one, whit ips and quad...don't do the same mistake as i did. Samsung is the lamest company in the world, after i****S.
now thats an unbiased opinion filled with facts...lol
now thats an unbiased opinion filled with facts...lol
reptayl said:
Don't buy it dude....go get a chinese one, whit ips and quad...don't do the same mistake as i did. Samsung is the lamest company in the world, after i****S.
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they are roughly the same cost new (PS3 and Tab 2 10.1), if your in the market for a tablet and you don't use the PS3 then I say go for it (unless your PS3 is Jail broken, then it's in higher demand and is worth more), sure they might not be top end but they work just fine, they can get pretty snappy once you Root/Rom/Overclock them, plenty good for daily web browsing, music playback and most games.
Havoc2k said:
Hi there,
i just wanted to hear your suggestions. I am going to get Galaxy Tab 2 for my old playstion 3, which i never use. But is the Tab 2 worth it ? If i compare CPU power and ppi resolution the specs are rather bad.
Is the tablet as smooth as a galaxy s3 mobile phone? Whats about the resolution ? Sure the nexus 10 got a lot more, but is it worth it ? I will use the tab just for surfing the web, controlling my home cinema system and playing some small games on the couch at home.
Whats about the battery performace? Will it get through a hole day without recharging it?
Custom roms, which i will surly get offer OC to CPU, will i notice this 30-40% more power in my daily use? e.g. Smoothness ?
I hope to get some information
thanks alot and greetings from germany
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See u may buy a nexus but it got some problem
1.nexus 10 have app compatibility problems...
2.nexus 7 have a poor build quality prob...
So if u want a reliable device than go for tab 2....and if you just want just performance go for nexus 7 with tegra 3....
Though keeo in mind tab 2 also performs great..
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