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[Q] Will the Xoom support dual screening with the HDMI Out?

Hi all,
I have been trying to find information about this particular feature. I know of a similar feature on the iPad 1 & 2, where Keynote can be used to project a presentation on an external monitor whilst being controlled by the iPad etc. via a connection add-on (VGA or HD output)
Is there any mention or does anyone know of support for a dual monitor setup using the HDMI out port or even the micro-USB port?
I ask because this is a feature I would love to see but I'm not interested in the iPad because of the usual 'Jobs' approach and besides, the Xoom has way better specs in comparison.
Many Thanks,
Craig

what, you mean mirroring the xoom's display over hdmi? That's there by default..

You can watch a movie on the xoom and tv at same time not sure about video on tv control on xoom but I assume that it could happen
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patass said:
what, you mean mirroring the xoom's display over hdmi? That's there by default..
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I think mirroring was a bit of an off term, I think I probably meant like a dual monitor support similar to that of a computer.
This is the iPad doing the "dual monitor" style I am trying to desrcibe
www [DOT] youtube [DOT] com/watch?v=GysMfb4_79A
Hope that clears my question up a bit better.

There was an article on Engadget recently about a new Android app that allowed that. I don't remember the name though. It was probably commercial app.

I dont see why you wouldnt be able to use any standard HDMI splitter like this http://www.monoprice.com/products/p...=10113&cs_id=1011301&p_id=5418&seq=1&format=2

Magnesus said:
There was an article on Engadget recently about a new Android app that allowed that. I don't remember the name though. It was probably commercial app.
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I shall have a look on there later thanks for your input
patass said:
I dont see why you wouldnt be able to use any standard HDMI splitter like this www[DOT]monoprice[DOT]com/products/product[DOT]asp?c_id=101&cp_id=10113&cs_id=1011301&p_id=5418&seq=1&format=2
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I don't want to split the signal from the Xoom, I'd like to create a second monitor similar to a computer dual monitor approach, like a second desktop if you will, where the Xoom would be a presentation controller and the HDMI Out signal would serve as the presentation itself, instead of duplicating the Xoom homescreen, where you could hold your finger on a part of the Xoom Screen and then on the output, a red dot like a laser would appear.
The idea is to offer a second screen, not mirroring the Xoom where you could create presentations, plug into a projector, and have the Xoom turn into a controller where you could preview upcoming slides, and then the outputted image, at the same time, would show the presentation full screen.

you can use a micro HDMI to HDMI and go directly to your projector or TV and it mirrors automatically. You can control everything from your tablet just fine.
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guitarwiz said:
Hi all,
I have been trying to find information about this particular feature. I know of a similar feature on the iPad 1 & 2, where Keynote can be used to project a presentation on an external monitor whilst being controlled by the iPad etc. via a connection add-on (VGA or HD output)
Is there any mention or does anyone know of support for a dual monitor setup using the HDMI out port or even the micro-USB port?
I ask because this is a feature I would love to see but I'm not interested in the iPad because of the usual 'Jobs' approach and besides, the Xoom has way better specs in comparison.
Many Thanks,
Craig
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Idisplay in the market

still no cigar...
I think that many people did not quite understand what the OP was asking. He/she wants to hook up an external monitor to the Xoom and display a different image on the monitor as compared to the Xoom itself. On a Windows machine it would be called extended desktop. The iDisplay software does the opposite: it uses the Xoom as a second display.
Maybe someone else uses Lenovo ThinkPad laptops. You have a presentation mode there where, for example, you can see your PowerPoint presentation on a projector but the laptop screen will show the timeline, notes, and other useful options.
This option would be useful not only for PowerPoint presentations but also for watching movies from the Xoom on an HDTV but having the Xoom display turned off to save battery.
Not that this directly helps the OP but maybe someone else has any idea if there's a software for that need.

I get it, encase you want to watch two different porn0 flix at the same time. Nice...

I was thinking whether is possible to switch XOOM display off during watching the movie thru the HDMI. It could save battery. Anyone any idea whether it coould be possible?
Thanks

craig4855 said:
Idisplay in the market
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iDisplay would make the Xoom an extended desktop monitor for the PC and like funnycreature pointed out, the OP wants to use a secondary monitor for the Xoom instead.
Besides even if you wanted to use the Xoom as an external monitor for the PC (which I would actually like to do) iDisplay wouldn't be the way to go. After reading the reviews of the app it's not even close to being worth the $5 price tag. One person said that it will work on the Xoom, but is so slow it's pretty much unusable.

[Q] bad hdmi port

My HDMI port only wirk s when it has pressure downwards. Anybody else had this?
Not sure if it is the transformer or a bad cable
Thanks

It would surprise all the other documented issues.
Also, keep in mind that not all tv's will support the transformers HDMI output.

It does work, it is just that the physical connection is really bad and unreliable
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jadesse said:
It would surprise all the other documented issues.
Also, keep in mind that not all tv's will support the transformers HDMI output.
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Is anyone keeping a list of tv models people have been successful with?
I've got a samsung LN40B750 from 2009 and hdmi out works fine from iPad but not with my transformer. I bought a $3 mini-hdmi to hdmi adaptor from eBay so don't know if that's the problem or not. Transformer detects the hdmi out is connected and displays logo in the bar at the bottom but I get 'no signal detected' on tv screen.
Can someone remind me does it do mirroring or only support various apps (eg YouTube)?

it didn't even detect that my Panasonic 32" was connected.

liput_81 said:
My HDMI port only wirk s when it has pressure downwards. Anybody else had this?
Not sure if it is the transformer or a bad cable
Thanks
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Turned out I had a bad cable. ordered a cheaper one and then it worked...
My TV is a Sony Bravia and it connects fine

HDMI to VGA adapter

Wasn't able to find confirmation elsewhere, so I thought I'd post here to let folks know: the HDMI to VGA dongle for the TF300 does, indeed, work with the Infinity. I haven't been able to test it with my projector, but it works with the monitor just fine. The dongle disables speaker output, but the headphone jack still works.
Link: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B006AR1QAA/
FYI, the less expensive CableMatters adapter does NOT work. Save your time and money.

I can confirmed that i ordered this product (from amazon too) and it worked on my Asus Zenbook UX31E & my Asus Infinity tablet

Can you confirm if it worked with your projector, and more details pls
FrontRowJoe said:
Wasn't able to find confirmation elsewhere, so I thought I'd post here to let folks know: the HDMI to VGA dongle for the TF300 does, indeed, work with the Infinity. I haven't been able to test it with my projector, but it works with the monitor just fine. The dongle disables speaker output, but the headphone jack still works.
Link: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B006AR1QAA/
FYI, the less expensive CableMatters adapter does NOT work. Save your time and money.
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Hi - I bought the same one, but it is not working with my TF700 I tried connecting it to a lenovo external desktop monitor, a VGA projector, and even a plasma tv with a VGA in - and none of them worked !
What configuration did you carry out? Are any tweaks to be done on the tablet itself?
Any details you can share will be appreciated !

cool_scorpion said:
Hi - I bought the same one, but it is not working with my TF700 I tried connecting it to a lenovo external desktop monitor, a VGA projector, and even a plasma tv with a VGA in - and none of them worked !
What configuration did you carry out? Are any tweaks to be done on the tablet itself?
Any details you can share will be appreciated !
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i have the same one that i bought when had my prime.it works just fine on my tf700 all you do is plug and play. try to see if it works with a different device other than the tf700 or grab a micro to hdmi cable and connect to a tv and see if it works.if not you might have a bad connector on the tf700. i did on my first prime thats why i say
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cool_scorpion said:
Hi - I bought the same one, but it is not working with my TF700 I tried connecting it to a lenovo external desktop monitor, a VGA projector, and even a plasma tv with a VGA in - and none of them worked !
What configuration did you carry out? Are any tweaks to be done on the tablet itself?
Any details you can share will be appreciated !
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Assuming you got the one I linked in my post, complete with the "Asus" logo, there are no settings: it's just plug-and-play. Could be you got stuck with a faulty adapter or (worse yet) a tablet with a faulty HDMI port. I'd try to RMA the adapter through Amazon and try a different one. If you get the same problem, sounds like your tablet might be the source of the difficulty.

I'm using this one ^ too and it's working fine for producing the right output on external monitor, but I'm not happy with it overall, as for some reason it LAGS the device, so the lagged output on a bigger screen is what I get with it...

Got a response from Asus and its more complicated now
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Assuming you got the one I linked in my post, complete with the "Asus" logo, there are no settings: it's just plug-and-play. Could be you got stuck with a faulty adapter or (worse yet) a tablet with a faulty HDMI port. I'd try to RMA the adapter through Amazon and try a different one. If you get the same problem, sounds like your tablet might be the source of the difficulty.
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Got a reply from Asus "Unlike a PC, Android on the tablet doesn't allow any resolution adjustments. So it'll be outputting 1920x1200. You didn't mention the make/model of the projector but you should check the available input range and check how this is handled, especially if it's not a full hd projector. Also check the projector settings and see what options are allowed for zoom/scaling the input."
So what they are saying is that this will only work with devices that support 1920x1200 as a resolution on VGA input. Can you confirm if your device does that, or does it have a max resolution which is less than this?
I checked my devices and both the plasma tv and the LCD projector are only capable upto SXGA (1280x1024) on the VGA interface. Now my questions revolve around the Asus MicroHD to VGA converter - does this only provide as an output what is the input? I noted that this works with the TF300 and TF200 as well - both of them are at 1280x800 - which means that this cable should be capable of outputting that signal... is there a way to make the cable downconvert to a static output of 1280x800? Or is it hardwired to output only what it receives as an input?

Asus is feeding you false information. It will not output the full resolution of the tablet no matter what you do.
Cross posted from another thread here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1879564
I have never seen the crop or scale options on my tf700... not sure how any of you have seen that with a stock ROM. Here is the kick with a 1920x1200 monitor.... it will output 1920x1080! It will not allow you to output the entire desktop unless the monitor scales the image itself. Once it is scaling and you can see the system bar, now go into settings hdmi.. then hit back. You will see the image fill the horizontal resolution properly, but vertical is cropped and cuts off the system bar. In either mode, you will get 1080 on the vertical res.
I WISH it would output the full res with ANY HDMI monitor!! I have several monitors that are at the native res and none of them will allow you to display the screen properly. If anyone has any ideas how to force the hdmi res to the native res of the tablet, please let me know! This would solve an issue that I have been trying to fix or find a workaround to ever since the release of this tab.

The acer branded mini hdmi to vga adapter also works with the tf700
$15 at office depot.

Things missing on the TF700 that are on the other transformers

I've notice different things that the TF300, TF200, and TF100 are able to do that the TF700 cannot:
Built-in bluetooth support for PS3 controllers Fixed in JB
HDMI out issues: HDMI over DVI does not work. Also, the TF700 is missing the HDMI menu option called "scaling". Both are fixed in JB
unable to lock the navigation bar Fixed in JB
can't change the mouse pointer shape it's in a different place - under asus customized setting
I hope these are addressed soon, since they appear to be software issues. The DVI issue is particularly troublesome as it prevents me from replacing my laptop. I have a theory that the HDMI driver in the TF700 doesn't implement the protocol that the monitor relies on to determine resolution.
I'll keep this list updated.

MattZTexasu said:
I've notice different things that the TF300, TF200, and TF100 are able to do that the TF700 cannot:
Built-in bluetooth support for PS3 controllers
HDMI out issues: HDMI over DVI does not work. Also, the TF700 is missing the HDMI menu option called "scaling."
I hope these are addressed soon, since they appear to be software issues. The DVI issue is particularly troublesome as it prevents me from replacing my laptop. I have a theory that the HDMI driver in the TF700 doesn't implement the protocol that the monitor relies on to determine resolution.
I'll keep this list updated.
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Isn't scaling unnecessary because of the native 1080p resolution?

Noticed also the ability to lock the navigation bar below is missing. I used it a lot when I had the Prime for games and watching movies and letting my 5 year old play with my tablet without accidentally hitting buttons. Missing it. Hopefully they bring that back with the new JB coming soon.
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jdeoxys said:
Isn't scaling unnecessary because of the native 1080p resolution?
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I don't want it to scale 1080p on my 1920x1200 monitor.

MattZTexasu said:
I don't want it to scale 1080p on my 1920x1200 monitor.
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Your monitor may have a setting in its' on screen menu to disable or control its' own automatic scaling. For example, my monitors have a setting called Aspect Control which I can set to 1:1 to prevent stretching a lower resolution video signal.

I noticed that mouse pointer options in the settings menu is missing, on my prime I would use the blue ring as a pointer instead of the black mouse because it was easier to see
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Yeah I miss the native PS3 controller over bluetooth. I guess sixaxis will have to do.
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Dachande said:
I noticed that mouse pointer options in the settings menu is missing, on my prime I would use the blue ring as a pointer instead of the black mouse because it was easier to see
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Those settings are still there on my TF700.... Settings->Asus Customized Settings (Touchpad/Mouse). You don't have those settings on your TF700??
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allan1313 said:
Yeah I miss the native PS3 controller over bluetooth. I guess sixaxis will have to do.
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This is my biggest complaint, too. Other than that, I'm pretty happy. Hopefully this'll get ported over with the JB update.

No lock bar.
Wifi Direct connects but doesn't work. (might as well not be there)
No Face Unlock
When Dock connected it doesn't actually show that it's charging with the >> lit up. Also, my dock seems to drain while the TF700 drains. Only way I can tell it's charging is by looking at orange button on top of Infinity.
Would have been nice to have HDMI options when connected, although on a 1080 it doesn't need it (but it does have extra pixels)
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sledgie said:
Also, my dock seems to drain while the TF700 drains.
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The dock charges the tablet and will keep the tablet charged to a certain level until it is completely discharged.

I am missing all of these features too.. especially the hdmi options. Can anyone get their tf700 to output actual 1920x1200? I have monitors that are that res and it still only outputs 1920x1080! I can't find any way to change this but I would like to find a work around or some way to set the config in the tablet to output native res only.

jordanmw said:
I am missing all of these features too.. especially the hdmi options. Can anyone get their tf700 to output actual 1920x1200? I have monitors that are that res and it still only outputs 1920x1080! I can't find any way to change this but I would like to find a work around or some way to set the config in the tablet to output native res only.
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As of now the software on the TF700 will ONLY output 1920x1200 resolution. Unless you have a monitor/tv that can adjust the input itself and downscale it then no you can't use it. I don't know of any android apps out there that allows this to happen at this time.

Bring back the native PS3 already! !!!!
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neo1738 said:
As of now the software on the TF700 will ONLY output 1920x1200 resolution. Unless you have a monitor/tv that can adjust the input itself and downscale it then no you can't use it. I don't know of any android apps out there that allows this to happen at this time.
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It doesn't make me a sandwich or transport me back to my spaceship. Dammit Asus! Slackers...

neo1738 said:
As of now the software on the TF700 will ONLY output 1920x1200 resolution. Unless you have a monitor/tv that can adjust the input itself and downscale it then no you can't use it. I don't know of any android apps out there that allows this to happen at this time.
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That is not true!! I want to see someone with a native 1920x1200 lcd that has it connected to the infinity at native resolution!! It will only output 1080 on vertical resolution. I have tried several 1920x1200 native monitors and even bought a brand new one for $300+ and it will not fill the entire screen no matter what. I want video proof of this claim-- someone, anyone, have a native 1920x1200 monitor that they can hook up to an infinity and use the monitor's menu to display the current resolution as 1920x1200?
There may be no apps that currently support that resolution but the launcher and other infinity screens should run at native res.
Word to the wise neo- test it before answering. You need a monitor that will support the native res... not very many monitors out there run at that resolution natively.

MattZTexasu said:
I've notice different things that the TF300, TF200, and TF100 are able to do that the TF700 cannot:
Built-in bluetooth support for PS3 controllers
HDMI out issues: HDMI over DVI does not work. Also, the TF700 is missing the HDMI menu option called "scaling"
unable to lock the navigation bar
can't change the mouse pointer shape
I hope these are addressed soon, since they appear to be software issues. The DVI issue is particularly troublesome as it prevents me from replacing my laptop. I have a theory that the HDMI driver in the TF700 doesn't implement the protocol that the monitor relies on to determine resolution.
I'll keep this list updated.
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Bluetooth support is there, get the sixaxis app its better than the default support anyways, lets you customize screen touches, etc. and set different profiles for different games.
HDMI over DVI does not work on newer devices because it costs manufacturers LESS to have the security / id profile included in their HDMI devices. Basically, when you plug in a device over HDMI the two devices talk to each other and set up a sort of security protocal. DVI does not have this and a lot of legacy devices do not have this which is why DVI to HDMI works but barely. You also have this problem with MHL adapters for your samsung phones, some MHL adapters support this newer profile, some do not. Those that do not don't work with some TV's. Just do your research and make sure the tech your connecting is compatible. Its like saying "My truck doesnt run on electricity! Why do i have to use gas?"
Scaling was needed when the HDMI signal being transmitted was lower resolution than 1080p. Since were transmitting a full HD signal there is no need to scale. Its already 1:1. No need to choose between upscaling or sending a smaller resolution and having it stretched or having it windowed or whatever. That is like asking why you get no money back when you buy your morning coffee and give the person exact change. I dont understand why so many people complain theres no scaling feature when if you stop to think about it you realize its a useless feature on this tablet.
Lock the navigation bar would be nice. Its about the only "feature" i can tell were missing.
Mouse pointer shape can be changed. I forget where the setting for it is, someone posted it on the forum here somewhere, mines currently the circle instead of the pointer. You can also root into the tablet and change what image it uses. Theres a thread about it somewhere....

pileot said:
Bluetooth support is there, get the sixaxis app its better than the default support anyways, lets you customize screen touches, etc. and set different profiles for different games.
HDMI over DVI does not work on newer devices because it costs manufacturers LESS to have the security / id profile included in their HDMI devices. Basically, when you plug in a device over HDMI the two devices talk to each other and set up a sort of security protocal. DVI does not have this and a lot of legacy devices do not have this which is why DVI to HDMI works but barely. You also have this problem with MHL adapters for your samsung phones, some MHL adapters support this newer profile, some do not. Those that do not don't work with some TV's. Just do your research and make sure the tech your connecting is compatible. Its like saying "My truck doesnt run on electricity! Why do i have to use gas?"
Scaling was needed when the HDMI signal being transmitted was lower resolution than 1080p. Since were transmitting a full HD signal there is no need to scale. Its already 1:1. No need to choose between upscaling or sending a smaller resolution and having it stretched or having it windowed or whatever. That is like asking why you get no money back when you buy your morning coffee and give the person exact change. I dont understand why so many people complain theres no scaling feature when if you stop to think about it you realize its a useless feature on this tablet.
Lock the navigation bar would be nice. Its about the only "feature" i can tell were missing.
Mouse pointer shape can be changed. I forget where the setting for it is, someone posted it on the forum here somewhere, mines currently the circle instead of the pointer. You can also root into the tablet and change what image it uses. Theres a thread about it somewhere....
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So your answer to this thread about features we are missing was to tell us that you are not missing the features... save 1... then discount the need for features that others find useful and needed??? Nice post.
Scaling is needed on any device that may need to output to a different resolution than what the device is at natively.... not like asking for money back when getting exact change... pretty bad analogy. Saying there is no use for this function is silly. There may be no use for you, but many others out there would love that option and I think you are in the minority of users who think it is useless. A more tactful way to approach that would have been to ask if there was a reason that people need it. I can say without a doubt that it is a feature that I am asked about frequently since I support a large number of these tablets. I have had very little luck getting hdmi output to be reliable and compatible with full size monitors. The suggestion on the first page to set the ratio to 1:1 is no help since most monitors do not have that option... it is the monitor's default mode already and starts in that mode.

A couple of things you wrote are wrong.
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HDMI over DVI does not work on newer devices because it costs manufacturers LESS to have the security / id profile included in their HDMI devices. Basically, when you plug in a device over HDMI the two devices talk to each other and set up a sort of security protocal. DVI does not have this.
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You are referring to HDCP. DVI does support HDCP. Both monitors I tested with are HDCP enabled and work fine with other HDCP devices over the same HDMI-DVI adapters that I used to test the TF700 with. Here is an informative article http://tv.about.com/od/hdtv/a/hdmidvihdcp.htm. You have to have a really old display not to support HDCP.
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Scaling was needed when the HDMI signal being transmitted was lower resolution than 1080p. Since were transmitting a full HD signal there is no need to scale. Its already 1:1.
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A scaling setting is needed for connecting the TF700 to a 1200p display. I have yet to experience this; but I've read that the TF700 will scale 1080p up to 1200p. It would be better if it did 1:1 on 1200p monitors. see this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=31420239&postcount=8
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Mouse pointer shape can be changed. I forget where the setting for it is, someone posted it on the forum here somewhere, mines currently the circle instead of the pointer. You can also root into the tablet and change what image it uses. Theres a thread about it somewhere....
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This may not be wrong; but it would be a lot more helpful if you provided the location or at least a link to the thread. You might as well be wrong about this too.

The TF101 had 2 speakers, and although there were issues with the balance it was nice to not muffle a speaker when stood it up in my lap in portrait mode.
Not a tablet feature, but the TF101 dock had 2 USB ports.

Connecting Infinity to overhead projector

I have a project coming up in one of my classes and I need visual aids. I know HDMI would work much better, but I was wondering if I could connect my tablet to a projector via USB would it be able to work in similar fashion?

ZanaZulu888 said:
I have a project coming up in one of my classes and I need visual aids. I know HDMI would work much better, but I was wondering if I could connect my tablet to a projector via USB would it be able to work in similar fashion?
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I don't think video over USB is possible. Your options are HDMI or anything else you can convert HDMI into (e.g. DVI, VGA).

I have a monitor adaptor that connects via the USB for my desktop, so I don't think it's out of the realm of possibilities. If you can find a USB to Monitor adapter give it a shot and let me know how it works. Maybe I should try plugging my tablet into my USB Monitor adapter to see what happens.
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The problem is not in the adapter, it's in how the video signal is routed out from the main device. He (and I) bet that the Transformers have no capablity to send video over USB.
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Sorry to reply so late... It's not video that I'm going to be using, just pictures in a slide show like format. Even though video would be an excellent addition to the project and would help immensely, it's not required as much as picture stills are.

I use the Asus micro hdmi to VGA adapter for work presentations, and it works great.
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ZanaZulu888 said:
Sorry to reply so late... It's not video that I'm going to be using, just pictures in a slide show like format. Even though video would be an excellent addition to the project and would help immensely, it's not required as much as picture stills are.
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You misunderstood. I'm not talking about video as in motion pictures - I'm talking video as in the video signal (as in output from video card to screen) that is not handled via USB.