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I keep finding myself thinking I could do all this on a cheap phone. What do you use your smartphone for on a daily basis?
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make myself look busy when im really not

Supamike88 said:
I keep finding myself thinking I could do all this on a cheap phone. What do you use your smartphone for on a daily basis?
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Well i have a Google Voice tied to my phone, that i use for my work line. I also have my work email tied to my phone. I also use Springpad for daily task and it syncs with my computer. I use Google docs to keep important files at my finger tips. the AD-HOC tethering is nice so i can have wireless access to my catalogs from anywhere on a table or laptop... i use mine more for business then i ever thought about with my blackberry.

stream music to my phone from my computer without having to put any music files on my SD card, tethering, wifi/wifi calling, youtube videos, flash for camera, "4G" speeds, and integrated email. didnt have any of these useful features on my previous sidekick 08 lol

Almost anything you can do with a computer or laptop I can do with my phone except its more convenient cause it fits in my pocket doesn't need to be connected to wifi and takes pictures and video so I think I would prefer my intelligent phone over my laptop anyday but of course the desktop wins cause it can run the games my Xbox360 can and it helps make things for my device lol

I think we're just one level behind where its total convenience. Right now it seems like voice recognition isn't too great outside of text messaging. I'm sure Android has a lot more to bring to the table though.
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we'll see a legitimate siri clone very soon, but even so, I regularly use the voice command- "navigate to __" to gps my way around miami. more than anything, on a personal level, my phone has made my life so much easier regarding events. My phone calendar is the only reason I'm ever where I'm supposed to be.
i think most people with smartphones who see no use in them just haven't made the effort to see how they can improve their lives. I'm not saying they are for everyone, but I truly believe they can be. You just need to see how and why.

darinmc said:
we'll see a legitimate siri clone very soon, but even so, I regularly use the voice command- "navigate to __" to gps my way around miami. more than anything, on a personal level, my phone has made my life so much easier regarding events. My phone calendar is the only reason I'm ever where I'm supposed to be.
i think most people with smartphones who see no use in them just haven't made the effort to see how they can improve their lives. I'm not saying they are for everyone, but I truly believe they can be. You just need to see how and why.
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informative and beautiful calendar widget is the reason why i'm using this "sense" smartphone. plus notes app also beautiful, and reader, beats, ds camera, alarm. hahaha this phone really make my life better.

darinmc said:
we'll see a legitimate siri clone very soon, but even so, I regularly use the voice command- "navigate to __" to gps my way around miami. more than anything, on a personal level, my phone has made my life so much easier regarding events. My phone calendar is the only reason I'm ever where I'm supposed to be.
i think most people with smartphones who see no use in them just haven't made the effort to see how they can improve their lives. I'm not saying they are for everyone, but I truly believe they can be. You just need to see how and why.
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I totally agree, that's why I started this thread
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They're good projectiles....Their slim design is quite aerodynamicky, the MT4G's weight gives it good stopping power. But seriously I use it for email, quick photos, some games, twitt, fb, gplus,etc...

Ace42 said:
They're good projectiles....
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Back on topic, considering that this is my first smartphone, I find it useful, but I'm probably old school compared to many here and I've managed to live this long without a smartphone. I finally got on board not because I care to downsize my computing devices, but because I wanted a GPS-enabled device for navigation for the few times I need it. Also, a QWERTY keyboard in conjunction with Swype is a massive improvement over an alphanumeric keypad for composing texts or simply taking notes. That said, I still prefer using my desktop over my laptop over my phone, and the phone will never be a good interface for me to perform heavy text composition.
To me, what's nice is that the apps I did rarely use on my dumbphone like the calendar and calculator are much more spacious and intuitive to use now to the point where I'm willing to use them more often. It's also nice to have a specialized flashlight app and the ability to easily check my email and the weather. I really like the voice dictation and Swype inputs as well.
Also, yes, it is much harder to distract yourself with a dumbphone if should you find yourself stuck somewhere with someone/something to wait on and nothing to do. Ever since I flashed VU, I've spent more time scrolling the home screens and looking at the animations than anything else. I could easily waste time with this thing even without wireless data or Wi-Fi.

Supamike88 said:
I keep finding myself thinking I could do all this on a cheap phone. What do you use your smartphone for on a daily basis?
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Uh this phone kicks ass...
Why don't you name something you can't do excluding playing Angry Birds in 1080p 3D HD?
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had a very similar conversation with the House Boss shortly after we got our first Android phones, (got snookered with the Samsung Behold2, almost made us go back to regular phones) once we got the MT3G-S we both fell in love with our phones (even though I jumped on the MT4G, needed more power and screen). she loves the keyboard for typing her texts and browsing web, the fact she now has Youtube on the go for watching funny vids and vids of our nieces and nephews, the great calender, games and with Pandora and her SD card no more need for her iPod.
I combine my MT4G and my Acer Iconia A500 Tablet to make my life way easier and much much less cluttered in my 18-wheeler between GPS, calender, notepad/office programs helping me keep everything inline for work and Hulu, Netflix and the games helping entertain me when I'm stuck somewhere and getting bored, I have saved money and was able to shave weight off the crap I carry in the truck allowing more cargo (means more money). Don't really know how I did this for as long as I did before.

I'm going to take the Windows Phone Challenge. Any advice?

A Windows Store recently opened near me. I figured I may as well give it a shot.
Currently running CM10, though I might switch back to AOKP Milestone 6.3 since things are a bit more stable there. Because the competition is done from boot, I can't have apps cached. It's probably a good idea to overclock this thing a bit, as well.
They can choose any challenge they want, and it's more than likely that they'll try to pick one that MS Corporate has identified to be a trouble area for my particular phone. Having a custom ROM on here might serve to level the playing field a bit, but by how much I don't know.
Certain things like disabling the lock screen and putting certain apps (Maps, Local, etc) on the main home screen are easy enough to do, but I was wondering if there was anything else to take into consideration. For example, the Facebook widget lets me update my status right from the home screen, a step less than needed with the Me tile on WP. Also, if I remember right, one of the challenges that has gotten a bit of notoriety is having to display two cities' weather data simultaneously. I think I can do this with a pair of widgets, but I'm not sure which.
Also, the prize is a $1000 MS Store gift card if I thoroughly smoke the Windows Phone (all six challenges). I'm not sure what they'll all be (I'd imagine a few of them would be lifted from the ads), but I know I can beat the Lumia 900 in a few of them.
Edit: Just thought of something - what if I were to use a WP-style launcher with some functioning live tiles to win? That'd really mess with them.

Lol they did the same thing 3 months ago but they are lame because they don't let you go in with such high end device like the hox. Make sure to have a widget showing the time in two cities, that's their favorite challange

I'm sure you've looked into it, but heres a list of the most common ones they use, plus some of the conditions:
http://slickdeals.net/f/4143624-NEW-Smoked-By-Windows-Phone-Contest-3-30-12-4-5-12-100-Phones-Per-Day-500-25-Gift-Cards
And if you can get a Windows Phone launcher set up and feel confident with it, please record it, I'm sure the looks on their faces will be priceless.

From the rules in the link above:
"Your smartphone must be using the original, unmodified operating system that came standard on your smartphone. Any entries for which the challenge task has been pre-loaded are not eligible."
Oh well.
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wondows phone challenge is stupid IMO, MS needs to stop the nonsense.
Heres a windows phone challenge, have a ton of apps in your app store

I'll have obtain a copy of the current rules from the store and pick through them. I'm not sure what the whole "can't have challenges pre-loaded" deal is, but if they disqualify me for having widgets while having live tiles pinned to the screen, that's a load of garbage.
Also, the part where it says I can't have an unmodified phone is at the least worded fatuously. Really? The version that came with the phone? Guess I have to go back to 1.85 and have nothing on it...
I don't think the employees would really be able to tell the difference if I came in with an AOSP ROM, but I suppose I could just pop the latest version of CleanROM on there and tweak it under the hood. Sense is pretty well-integrated into social networks, though I'm not sure if it's quicker than the multi-network updates from the WP me tile.

Vendetta-NY said:
From the rules in the link above:
"Your smartphone must be using the original, unmodified operating system that came standard on your smartphone. Any entries for which the challenge task has been pre-loaded are not eligible."
Oh well.
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Assuming thwy're smart enough to know. Just walk in with Apex / Nova / stock? I'm not sure how strict they are, but I wouldn't give them too much credit, their just sales reps.

If there were no rules I would : any 4.0.3 ROM to use beast mode kernel. OC to 2.1 ghz and use performance governor so it stays at max. Use dual core mod so both cores are always active, and last but not least go into developer and disable animations. And keep an ice pack near by so you don't have anything catch on fire.
[email protected] windows app store. Very true. Luckily play store in my opinion is as good as app store for iOS. I think its a little superior since it loads much faster and doesn't require a password to update and download apps. I hate visiting the app store on my iPad. Unbelievably slow. The whole os is sluggish compared to this...

Make sure fastboot is enabled. Many of the challenges are from power off....
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Would fastboot allow for quicker initialization of apps from startup? I'm pretty sure the reboot is just to clear apps from RAM, and that boot time isn't part of the challenge.

Protogon said:
A Windows Store recently opened near me. I figured I may as well give it a shot.
Currently running CM10, though I might switch back to AOKP Milestone 6.3 since things are a bit more stable there. Because the competition is done from boot, I can't have apps cached. It's probably a good idea to overclock this thing a bit, as well.
They can choose any challenge they want, and it's more than likely that they'll try to pick one that MS Corporate has identified to be a trouble area for my particular phone. Having a custom ROM on here might serve to level the playing field a bit, but by how much I don't know.
Certain things like disabling the lock screen and putting certain apps (Maps, Local, etc) on the main home screen are easy enough to do, but I was wondering if there was anything else to take into consideration. For example, the Facebook widget lets me update my status right from the home screen, a step less than needed with the Me tile on WP. Also, if I remember right, one of the challenges that has gotten a bit of notoriety is having to display two cities' weather data simultaneously. I think I can do this with a pair of widgets, but I'm not sure which.
Also, the prize is a $1000 MS Store gift card if I thoroughly smoke the Windows Phone (all six challenges). I'm not sure what they'll all be (I'd imagine a few of them would be lifted from the ads), but I know I can beat the Lumia 900 in a few of them.
Edit: Just thought of something - what if I were to use a WP-style launcher with some functioning live tiles to win? That'd really mess with them.
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Seems pretty intresting, lol I'd love to try as well . Well anyways what i can help you with is for the ROM does it have to be stock? If not just pick somthing like CleanRom 4.2 and overclock it to 2.1Glz or 1.9 (Whichever works better for you). Second choice would be to use a Vanila rom like what your using. Other than that all i can say is good luck!
EDIT: Some reason, it didnt load anything other than the OP.... Oh well, only if you could mod...

In the videos I've seen some of the challenges included booting the phone from power off.
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Don't take it. They minus will call it the: we compare our flagship phone to your outdated one and choose challenges that we have selected that specifically target the weaknesses of your phone in order to get more people to buy our phones.

atticusmas said:
Don't take it. They minus will call it the: we compare our flagship phone to your outdated one and choose challenges that we have selected that specifically target the weaknesses of your phone in order to get more people to buy our phones.
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Well, the idea is to overcome the weaknesses by eking out as much performance as I can and setting up my UI in a way that lets me do things as efficiently as WP can, like you can with Android. I could pop the latest CleanROM on there and the MS store employees would be none the wiser.

beaups said:
In the videos I've seen some of the challenges included booting the phone from power off.
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in which I'm sure sense's fast boot would win
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Protogon said:
Well, the idea is to overcome the weaknesses by eking out as much performance as I can and setting up my UI in a way that lets me do things as efficiently as WP can, like you can with Android. I could pop the latest CleanROM on there and the MS store employees would be none the wiser.
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Well then why not pop in a kernel too
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I think that the Windows Phone challenge is just plain dumb. The fact that they dictate exactly what the challenge is just seems to rigged to me

You're going to lose, and even if you win, they're going to find a way to get out of giving you anything. People have tried this, and MS has screwed them out of it.

TheNightHawk223 said:
Well then why not pop in a kernel too
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It's supposed to be "Stock" which can mean a lot of things, too vague.

vioalas said:
It's supposed to be "Stock" which can mean a lot of things, too vague.
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Yeah, this is what I'm worried about the most. They could weasel their way out of losing by claiming most any modification I make the phone has taken it from stock. I'm not safe from this clause unless I run a 1.85 RUU, relock the bootloader and make no changes to the phone except from the initial setup.

Buyer's remorse...

Okay,
Some folks have had the phone for about 24hrs.
What things do you absolutely hate about the phone?
What is disappointing about it?
What will you mod on the phone?
And what about the phone would you like to walk up to the design team and give them a great big kick in the crotch about???
• Not a big enough bump technology wise from the Note 2
• Poor Radio's
• The speaker. Wish it had dual speakers
• The back cover not feel like leather
• Small notification light
• Knox security
• Gets hot when stressing the device
• Screen Gap
• Battery Drain
• Region Locking
• Only 4 columns on home screen
• Bezel size
• Bloat ware from carrier
• Headphone jack is said to be excellent
• Rooting to mod the battery indicator
• Long press the on the soft menu button will run S –Finder not Google Now
• * Lack of Custom roms
• * Lack of custom kernels
• * Locked bootloader
• * Ease of the ability to root
* Designates TBD
There are also quite a few complaints about the polycabonate build material of this phone.
Whether this is a reasonable complaint or not is up for debate. If you purchased this phone without reading about the plastic body or without demo-ing the phone beforehand. Then I think that responsibility resides with the consumer for not doing any research about this piece of technology.

What things do you absolutely hate about the phone?
The speaker. The speaker is much better than my old galaxy s3, but i'd really liked it if they had put in dual speakers. Luckily i don't use the speakers that often, but it still bothers me, although i knew it before buying the phone obviously.
I also really dislike the very small Notification light. The light in my S3 was much bigger.
What is disappointing about it?
I thought the back of the phone would feel like actual leather, but it doesn't. It's still better than my galaxy s3, but i much preferred the metal feel of my Desire HD.
I'm also disappointed that there doesn't seem to be any place to buy the samsung accessories in my country, they don't even have the phone added to the danish version of the samsung website, but i'll have to wait for it to be released, i just usually like to get the case with the phone.
What will you mod on the phone?
I'll root it when that becomes available, and install cyanogenmod(Or something in that category) when i get tired of touchwiz.
And what about the phone would you like to walk up to the design team and give them a great big kick in the crotch about???
The small notification light & the speakers. Possible adding a metal back, but not at the cost of a removable back.

What is the point of this thread in a newly released phone's forum? people just bought their phone and you are trying to get them to remember buyer's remorse. There really isn't any point in it
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Jamal Ahmed said:
What is the point of this thread in a newly released phone's forum? people just bought their phone and you are trying to get them to remember buyer's remorse. There really isn't any point in it
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The point of this thread is to catalog any problems people are having with their phones, so others contemplating a purchase can have more information. Personally, I appreciate it.

I'm very much interested in this thread and it's a very good question.
There a ton of love for the N3, but I also want to know what people don't like. Starfigher's issues would not be my issues, but it's good to know what bothers people and see if it is a global issue or just someone's personal preferences.

Jamal Ahmed said:
What is the point of this thread in a newly released phone's forum? people just bought their phone and you are trying to get them to remember buyer's remorse. There really isn't any point in it
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Back off. This is a useful thread

clninja said:
Back off. This is a useful thread
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Agreed. Good thread, I am also very interested in what people dislike about the Device.

We already have threads covering all this, visit them so owners don't have to type it down again.

BoneXDA said:
We already have threads covering all this, visit them so owners don't have to type it down again.
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We already have threads devoted specifically to problems with the device?

bigmout said:
The point of this thread is to catalog any problems people are having with their phones, so others contemplating a purchase can have more information. Personally, I appreciate it.
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I appreciate it to...what I really want to know is how the dev support is going to be for the exynos version...and how well it works especially the octa core system and it's switching ability

I also like this thread. Problems can be a separate issue than likes/dislikes. Although I won't get my phone for a few days, I appreciate the feedback others are giving, both positive and negative.

I just got my N9000 today.
What things do you absolutely hate about the phone?
Knowing that this phone might be hard to customize because of Knox.
What is disappointing about it?
Long press on the soft menu button will run S-Finder not Google Now like in my Note II.
S-View Cover Wireless not available yet!
What will you mod on the phone?
Root it and mod the battery indicator. Basically, I will mod the touch wiz to make it look like in my Note II
And what about the phone would you like to walk up to the design team and give them a great big kick in the crotch about???
Wish it has dual speaker on the bottom

The reason why I made the thread is to have a single thread where early adopter could voice their pleasure or displeasure with particular aspects of the phone. As a Hobbyist/Prosumer you have to remember not all consumers are as phone or forum savvy as many of "YOU" are, when it comes to searching or finding out things about any phone.
So the idea behind this was to give a rundown of what people disliked and from there if they so choose to research it even more, they would have a few search terms to use in order to the using the "SEARCH" feature on the forum much easier. I will periodically update my original post with bullet points as it warrants with new found dislikes etc..

belutz said:
Long press on the soft menu button will run S-Finder not Google Now like in my Note II.
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Ugh. No way to disable that without rooting?

BoneXDA said:
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I will visit them and update my original post with I can find or understand as a gripe that isn't telecom or user error related.

physicsguymatt said:
I'm very much interested in this thread and it's a very good question.
There a ton of love for the N3, but I also want to know what people don't like. Starfigher's issues would not be my issues, but it's good to know what bothers people and see if it is a global issue or just someone's personal preferences.
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And there are many good reviews and information available so most buyers should know what they are buying and in most countries you can return the device. Pointless thread.
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Nah. Wouldn't say so. Generally speaking, I trust members of xda more than random reviewers whose agenda I don't know.
Just as a starter: if I had known about this Knox - thingy, I might not have bought the N3. I read many reviews - but when I made the decision to buy the device, none of those were talking about Knox at all.

I hate the plastic build.
I dislike amoled.

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Ugh. No way to disable that without rooting?
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Install Apex (or a similar launcher), which lets you customize what long-pressing the menu button does. For example, I have mine set to open up Contacts.

Love everything, but the speaker! Its crap!!!
I'm working on a volume boost though..just as I found for the Note 2. Phone is now rooted..so should be able to edit settings!
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Would you trade the S7e for the Pixel XL?

I'm debating between the two. I have a change to get one soon but I'm leaning on keeping the S7e since the U firmware runs well. I also think the S7e looks way better than the XL. It also means giving up SPay, Qi, IP68, compact body,... But Android 7.0 with the new goodies... hmmmm
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Samsung Pay, and the sleek look of the S7edge are the only things that keep me on.

I've never liked the camera UI of vanilla android.... also water resistant, sd card support & big ass battery

wait for the Galaxy S8 edge it will have all the upgraded specs and way more.

to get rid of touchwiz..... in a heartbeat

I'll put an end to this. The S7 Edge has the following advantages over the Pixel XL:
Bigger battery
Edge shortcuts
Waterproof
Better always on display
SD card
Wireless charging
Floating window
Screen gets brighter in daylight and darker at night
Scroll capture
Samsung widgets, magazine, weather, calendar..
Can still use JOD
Can use T-Mobile insurance
Samsung backup
Samsung pay
Better price
Dimensions are way better
As you can see the choice is a no-brainer. Shouldn't even require any thought actually. The only thing the Pixel has is android 7.1 and some software tricks for the camera. 7.1 doesn't do much (I have it on my Nexus) and the photos look better in all lighting conditions on the S7e, even though the Pixel has really great stabilization and is faster at snapping the photo.

The only thing the Pixel has is android 7.1 and some software tricks for the camera.
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...Yeah, what's "real root on a usable kernel" anyway?

DOMF said:
...Yeah, what's "real root on a usable kernel" anyway?
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I don't know why don't you explain to me exactly what you'll be gaining with root. And then explain how that is worth throwing away android pay.

seh6183 said:
I don't know why don't you explain to me exactly what you'll be gaining with root. And then explain how that is worth throwing away android pay.
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Host-file based ad blocking, Xposed and everything that goes along with that, viper, freezing system apps you don't like, DriveDroid...
All for the low low price of "having to swipe a credit card instead of tapping your phone on a thing"

DOMF said:
Host-file based ad blocking, Xposed and everything that goes along with that, viper, freezing system apps you don't like, DriveDroid...
All for the low low price of "having to swipe a credit card instead of tapping your phone on a thing"
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Ad blocking can be done without root.
Viper is buggy and totally unnecessary.
Freezing system apps can be done without root.
DriveDroid? Lol
Xposed is the only decent thing on your list and even it is buggy and questionable.

seh6183 said:
Ad blocking can be done without root.
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Not very effectively
seh6183 said:
Viper is buggy and totally unnecessary.
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Untrue, dont even know where to start on this..
seh6183 said:
Freezing system apps can be done without root.
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Again yea kinda
seh6183 said:
Xposed is the only decent thing on your list and even it is buggy and questionable.
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WTF are you even doing on XDA? Are you a shill for closed systems and locked bootloaders? If you are that naive about the benefits of real root then you really should do some homework.
Custom roms
debloating
Overclocking
Expanded app features
Root explorer and the like (and if you say samsungs file manger is good enough I'll beat you with a sack of doorknobs)
Titanium backup
X touchwiz
Feature tweaking and customization
Busybox
Actual Privacy control
Actual control to do what you want with your property
And more, not to mention each of those has a bunch of reasons all their own.
Android and samsung pay and any other mobile pay option are jokes. I have credit cards that also are tap and pay and have been for many years. You feel free to explain why something available in cards already is worth throwing all that away just to put it on a phone that is unless all youre doing is trolling.

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Not very effectively
Untrue, dont even know where to start on this..
Again yea kinda
WTF are you even doing on XDA? Are you a shill for closed systems and locked bootloaders? If you are that naive about the benefits of real root then you really should do some homework.
Custom roms
debloating
Overclocking
Expanded app features
Root explorer and the like (and if you say samsungs file manger is good enough I'll beat you with a sack of doorknobs)
Titanium backup
X touchwiz
Feature tweaking and customization
Busybox
Actual Privacy control
Actual control to do what you want with your property
And more, not to mention each of those has a bunch of reasons all their own.
Android and samsung pay and any other mobile pay option are jokes. I have credit cards that also are tap and pay and have been for many years. You feel free to explain why something available in cards already is worth throwing all that away just to put it on a phone that is unless all youre doing is trolling.
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Ad blocking is not very effective without root? I don't see a single ad, don't have root. Seems pretty effective to me.
I have 180 apps frozen on my phone right now. What is this "kinda" you speak of?
XDA was created when phones NEEDED to be rooted and tweaked just to make them enjoyable. The OEMs are eliminating the need for root one item at a time and eventually it will be totally unnecessary. Believe it or don't but that's reality and it will hit you in the face like a ton of bricks in the next year or two.
Every single thing that you mentioned can be done without root or is unnecessary.
If you have to have those features you mentioned, excellent then go ahead and choose a phone that can be rooted, and root your heart out so you can change the color of your status bar LOL
I personally prefer not to give up things such as Samsung pay. If you cant wrap your head around why Samsung pay is popular and useful then there is nothing I can say to educate you. Maybe you don't even know what mst is? Anyway have fun with whatever it is that you do.

Your arrogance is amazing, do you purport know better than everyone else?
seh6183 said:
Ad blocking is not very effective without root? I don't see a single ad, don't have root. Seems pretty effective to me.
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LOL wow so because you dont have any adds that means the method you use is just as good for everyone? If everyone uses your method there would be no adds whatsoever, is that what you are saying?
seh6183 said:
I have 180 apps frozen on my phone right now. What is this "kinda" you speak of?
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As for freezing, you cant freeze certain system apps w/o root that's why I said kinda. See how that works? Not to mention the overall problem of freezing instead of removing. But yea keep the bloatware and limit your space.
seh6183 said:
XDA was created when phones NEEDED to be rooted and tweaked just to make them enjoyable. The OEMs are eliminating the need for root one item at a time and eventually it will be totally unnecessary. Believe it or don't but that's reality and it will hit you in the face like a ton of bricks in the next year or two.
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As far as you rationale on xda and rooting, OEMs are not eliminating the need for root, otherwise most people wouldnt be on here. And who are you to say what is needed to make other's phones more enjoyable? The fact that people want root is indicative of their need to make modifications to make their phone enjoyable to them. And also is that why the international versions have unlocked bootloaders? To educate you, OEMS lock bootloaders at the request of carriers. Locked bootloaders have been available to be instituted for many years, and seeing as US carriers are starting to utilize them the demand for unlocked phones are increasing.
https://news.samsung.com/global/samsung-introduces-unlocked-galaxy-s7-and-galaxy-s7-edge-in-the-u-s
Samsung even admits it and has released a carrier independent unlocked s7
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Every single thing that you mentioned can be done without root or is unnecessary.
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Again who says its unnecessary? You? Since when do you speak for the majority?
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If you have to have those features you mentioned, excellent then go ahead and choose a phone that can be rooted, and root your heart out so you can change the color of your status bar LOL
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Again I will and many others will to due to our need to make our phones more enjoyable
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I personally prefer not to give up things such as Samsung pay. If you cant wrap your head around why Samsung pay is popular and useful then there is nothing I can say to educate you.
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AGAIN so... because you have settled on that tradeoff and others dont agree with your opinion, you are saying that we must not be educated? What a narrow world view, agree with everything I say and do or you're wrong and must be corrected. The Nazis had the same idea but took it a step further and eliminated opposition.
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Maybe you don't even know what mst is?
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Do you? Yes I know what MST is, its Samsung's latest push towards wireless payment technology utilizing NFC. And if the merchant doesnt use it then samsung pay will go ahead and use older "Less Secure" Technology or wont work at all resulting in you having to pull out your bank card and use it either by tap and pay, chip or good old fashioned swiping.
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Anyway have fun with whatever it is that you do.
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Yes, I like many others, will keep trying to get real root because of OUR need to make our devices more enjoyable.
Oh and btw I forgot to mention Xposed by itself, does absolutely nothing, its a framework for root apps to make the modifications and in fact most apps are quite stable on real root. Real root enables the users to fix and streamline the performance of their devices not just customize. Like disabling DVFS, odex/deodex, custom kernels, these are not for aesthetic purposes but functional. To make up for problems like this
http://bgr.com/2016/03/25/galaxy-s7-performance-test-us-vs-global-pt-2/
But keep drinking the koolaid and insist that security is paramount to freedom. The establishment will love you for it.

Nirrik said:
a bunch of annoying babbling
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Look buddy take a hike. No one cares. Go to a forum for a phone that has "proper root" and tell them about how much you love root and all the cool things you can do with it.
The fact of the matter is, like I've stated before, almost everything can be accomplished without root. I don't need you to believe this for it to be fact.
Go buy the inferior pixel so you can load a custom rom that allows you to have a floating side bar or buggy app addons and then wait for the dev to fix them all.
Either way just go away. This isn't a root thread, it's about the s7e vs the pixel and I've already blown that argument out of the water.

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Look buddy take a hike. No one cares. Go to a forum for a phone that has "proper root" and tell them about how much you love root and all the cool things you can do with it.
The fact of the matter is, like I've stated before, almost everything can be accomplished without root. I don't need you to believe this for it to be fact.
Go buy the inferior pixel so you can load a custom rom that allows you to have a floating side bar or buggy app addons and then wait for the dev to fix them all.
Either way just go away. This isn't a root thread, it's about the s7e vs the pixel and I've already blown that argument out of the water.
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LOL awwwww did I make the troll mad? "the fact of the matter is" I respond with structured facts and refrences, you refuse to refute my points with anything other than a tantrum and unfounded opinions. YOU were the one that tried to act like everything you said was fact with no proof, You began this debate and now that its plain to see that you have no real ground to stand on, you are gonna knock the pieces off the board. And apparently people care, you may not but others do. So your "No one cares" is yet another unfounded opinion that has no basis in truth. And as far as going to a forum where people care about root, I did, that's what XDA is, all of it! Its XDA DEVELOPERS! Maybe you should find a new site to spout your locked bootloader/anti root vitrol and where you can refuse to act like a reasonable adult. LMFAO.

All my ads are blocked.
I can freeze every single process on my phone.
You don't know how mst works.
FAIL.

Im eating popcorn while reading all this.

I would not trade the GS7E for a pixel or any other Google branded phone. Had bad experiences with prior Nexus phones. To put it simply, the plusses of this phone easily outweigh the plusses of the pixel, which really is only that it has stock Android and quick updates. I couldn't care less about root, as another poster stated, ad blocking and freezing apps can be done without. Never had good experiences with xposed. And lastly, if you want the UI to look stock, Samsung good lock has you covered. Overall, this phone doesn't lag, doesn't crash, has excellent battery life, water resistance, and reasonably quick updates. Life is too short to deal with rooting and other nonsense. I want a phone that works with minimal input from me, and this gives me that.

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You don't know how mst works.
FAIL.
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This is literally all I saw...the failure to realise what MST is and/or how it works. NFC is kind of weak...android pay uses it some cards have it the samsung gear s2 watch uses it for sam pay....but mst...mst since nobody wanted to educate the other guy...creates an electromagnetic field of sorts that mimics the magnetic frequency resonance whatever what have you of said card (well actually a secondary card number to protect yours) to emulate a card swipe...works places NOTHING else does..android pay apple pay paypal none of them work because you are in the country somewhere at some hillbilly gasstation that has only a card reader...sam pay will save you. It should even work with square pay readers ?. I will say though...v4a Viper4Android...is VERY useful especially if you are an audiophile. No other app compares...period...coming from someone with an s7e that isnt rooter because i use sam pay. And i must say yea i miss the abilities of a rooted phone...but ive been fine since march without. Also heard tmobile was checking to see if devices were rooted now on insurance....i already cracked my screen once(sparks shooting across the room actually did it)...if thats true i would have been a $$ out if rooted...oh and to answer your question...not in a million years...tmobiles bill credit isnt even enticing enough coupled with the note7 fiasco. Ill be getting the 5.5 s8 or s8e however they will market the moniker as soon as it drops

I didn't want to explain mst to the guy because I was hoping he would continue to live his life believing that mst is just nfc lol
I guess I just don't see what is so great about viper. An equalizer is very important to me but that is built into the apps these days. All the other functions of viper are unimportant to me. I'm not an audiophile so I'm probably missing it, but adding an echo or virtual surround to my music is not important. And I've had bugs and drain with viper before (only on certain devices)

is no one concern about the edge sense failure in the announcement?

I saw the phone's announcement, and in my opinion they should never let Charlie Chang present a phones again.
It was one of the most awkward announcements I watched. He looked like he is going to explode, and every feature he presented it looked like he is praying to god that it will work.
but that's one thing.
during the presentation he tried to activate google assistant through the Edge Sense, and it didn't work, then he tried again and it failed again, then he made the most awkward "ooopss" he could make, while trying again couple of times until he continued presenting the google assistant without mentioning or talking about the incident (which is understandable but still troubling).
the weirdest thing is that I can't find any review or post that talks about it, I thought the press will destroy Htc for this screw up.
for me it's really troubling, this gimmick can be nice, but it's the first time we see something like this on any phone and I have doubts about its quality.
what do you think?

Meh, to say that I've never had stuff like that happen on any phone I've owned would be a huge understatement.

Had a unit in hand to test it one week ahead of the official announcement. On my test unit the Edge Sense worked really good, after getting accustomed after the first 30 Minutes and configuring it to my pressure sensitivity in settings.
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Jeah some other people already tried Edge Sense and said something similar like @5m4r7ph0n36uru said. Its working okay or good - better then many expected. But for me its just a nice to have. Lets see how much they can improve this feature with future Software updates. Maybe its just a feature that ends up being a public prototype which would also be okay. If this feature is any good they will probably improve the hardware behind it in a future device.
I mean its the same with the fingerprint scanners, the first and even second version in the iPhone was quite bad in my opinion. The one in the 6s is good, but the ones before where too slow and the failure rate was too high (for me).

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I saw the phone's announcement, and in my opinion they should never let Charlie Chang present a phones again.
It was one of the most awkward announcements I watched. He looked like he is going to explode, and every feature he presented it looked like he is praying to god that it will work.
but that's one thing.
during the presentation he tried to activate google assistant through the Edge Sense, and it didn't work, then he tried again and it failed again, then he made the most awkward "ooopss" he could make, while trying again couple of times until he continued presenting the google assistant without mentioning or talking about the incident (which is understandable but still troubling).
the weirdest thing is that I can't find any review or post that talks about it, I thought the press will destroy Htc for this screw up.
for me it's really troubling, this gimmick can be nice, but it's the first time we see something like this on any phone and I have doubts about its quality.
what do you think?
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I wouldn't read too much into it - could be nerves, could be the phone wasn't set up properly for him, old software, etc.
Microsoft launched a version of windows (I think it might have been Win98) and during the launch they encountered the Blue Screen Of Death... it didn't seem to have much impact on their future!

I'm not too worried. If it doesn't work well I will just disable it. The phone is still nice.

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Jeah some other people already tried Edge Sense and said something similar like @5m4r7ph0n36uru said. Its working okay or good - better then many expected. But for me its just a nice to have. Lets see how much they can improve this feature with future Software updates. Maybe its just a feature that ends up being a public prototype which would also be okay. If this feature is any good they will probably improve the hardware behind it in a future device.
I mean its the same with the fingerprint scanners, the first and even second version in the iPhone was quite bad in my opinion. The one in the 6s is good, but the ones before where too slow and the failure rate was too high (for me).
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They will update it. As HTC told in the same briefing, they are already planing to implement Double-Tab as a possibility to take further actions with Edge Sense, though they couldn't tell the date at this time but only that it is on the list. So I guess they are definitely planing to implement more gestures by such a step making short press, long press and double press available. With two different force settings, this would give us six gestures in total to configure for separate actions.
Something further is App based actions that'll be implemented to change the action resulting from a short press depending on the App you're using.
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I saw reviews. it works pretty well.

5m4r7ph0n36uru said:
They will update it. As HTC told in the same briefing, they are already planing to implement Double-Tab as a possibility to take further actions with Edge Sense, though they couldn't tell the date at this time but only that it is on the list. So I guess they are definitely planing to implement more gestures by such a step making short press, long press and double press available. With two different force settings, this would give us six gestures in total to configure for separate actions.
Something further is App based actions that'll be implemented to change the action resulting from a short press depending on the App you're using.
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I hope so and i am sure they will but all I'm saying is that the hardware will be limited like i said with the fingerprint or another example the pressure sensitivity from the surface pen. In the first iterations it only had 256 different steps now they have around 2000. (not sure about the exact numbers here )
My hope is not too big about this squeeze feature in the first iteration but i am curious and will give it a try.

liorderei said:
I saw the phone's announcement, and in my opinion they should never let Charlie Chang present a phones again.
It was one of the most awkward announcements I watched. He looked like he is going to explode, and every feature he presented it looked like he is praying to god that it will work.
but that's one thing.
during the presentation he tried to activate google assistant through the Edge Sense, and it didn't work, then he tried again and it failed again, then he made the most awkward "ooopss" he could make, while trying again couple of times until he continued presenting the google assistant without mentioning or talking about the incident (which is understandable but still troubling).
the weirdest thing is that I can't find any review or post that talks about it, I thought the press will destroy Htc for this screw up.
for me it's really troubling, this gimmick can be nice, but it's the first time we see something like this on any phone and I have doubts about its quality.
what do you think?
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I thought the same Totally agreed with you... But I'm still buying the phone.. I hope after 1-2 updates it will work better.

I am lucky I wasn't in his shoes. Very awkward indeed. His hands were shaking.
I don't think it will damage sales. And in a live event anything can happen.

I don't think it even had to do with edge sense TBH... I think it had to do with the assistant apps themselves and probably the internet connection within the venue.

Mine works well do far. I just need to remember about it. I've left it starting the camera and it's good.

Honestly, I was hoping the edge sense would have worked just as the early videos showed of a couple walking the street and navigating the app drawer with the edge. Maybe version 2. But that was sick!
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mbaseball3 said:
Honestly, I was hoping the edge sense would have worked just as the early videos showed of a couple walking the street and navigating the app drawer with the edge. Maybe version 2. But that was sick!
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Can't say I've every been walking the street and needed to navigate the app draw. I have shortcuts for everything already. Actually only time I navigate the app draw is when I'm adding a shortcut lol. But I see what you saying. Maybe if they added volume up down or scrolling, but don't think that's how it works.

well... it would probably have worked better if she took them off..