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I'm sure everyone has read and seen all the benchmark tests done on this thing in comparison to other more well known devices like the ipad and the xoom. I haven't done any such tests. That said, speaking from personal experience, damn this thing is fast. I'm running vegan 5.1.1 of course.
Anyone here thinks this thing is slow? I'm just curious why you think it's slow and what are you comparing it to?
goodintentions said:
I'm sure everyone has read and seen all the benchmark tests done on this thing in comparison to other more well known devices like the ipad and the xoom. I haven't done any such tests. That said, speaking from personal experience, damn this thing is fast. I'm running vegan 5.1.1 of course.
Anyone here thinks this thing is slow? I'm just curious why you think it's slow and what are you comparing it to?
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late response but better late than never. I own a couple of cortex-a8 tablets as well and notice the performance difference between a tegra2 based device and those. Partially on those though I think that it's also a lack of RAM as 2 have only 256MB while the other has 512MB like the gtab. The 512 is faster but still more sluggish overall than the gtab. Lastly I just have to believe that some SoCs are just more efficient than others even when they use the same base CPU core, which I especially noticed in ARM11 based products.
Another factor is the firmware used and especially in tegra case the various hardware drivers used.
From what I see it seems that they'll switch to snapdragon s4, 1.7Ghz most likely which uses a15 compared to the Penta core tegra 3 which uses a9.. now don't come with the trash....
Oh oh s4 is better... no its not., you want proof ? I get 12000 CPU score on quadrant while s4 got 8000 that's 50% faster sorry.. as of battery life... companion core...........
BUT, there is always a but, the s4 is good enough to handle pretty much anything and the adreno 225 is better than geforce ulp which helps with those pixels .. also the tegra 3 seems to lag somehow.. in browsing.. when the page is loading if you scroll or pinch to zoom it lags on the prime as well as on the one x..in the rest it's the fastest..
In terms of raw power the tegra 3 is still the king. But it that what we need ?
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Ditto
why start a new thread when we have a thread about this tab already?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1523811
Soooooo many things wrong with your line of thinking.
First, quadrant measures IO of memory as well as processor speed and many other things. If you have, say class 10 memory on your device and a craptastic processor it could rate higher on quadrant than a device with class 4 memory and a extremely fast processor. Hell some roms even tweak to read extremely fast to rank very high on quadrant at the expense of everything else.
Quadrant tests mean nothing because they can be easially mutilated. If i want high quadrant its easy, if i want a fast device that does what i want, its not so easy.
next, the browser itself is what lags, not the tegra3 chip. Take the stock browser and put it in ANY other device, it will lag just as much. Its a **** browser, get one that works and then talk.
If you drive a ferrarri and say "wow this car is amazing but the windshield gets very dirty and the wipers dont clean it that well" does it mean the car is ****? No! it means you need new wipers. The same way if your browser or launcher or whatever is laggy dont complain, try a different browser and it will work better.
I swear, can we have a "UnThanks" button for some of these people? im tired of seeing these threads...
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Soooooo many things wrong with your line of thinking.
First, quadrant measures IO of memory as well as processor speed and many other things. If you have, say class 10 memory on your device and a craptastic processor it could rate higher on quadrant than a device with class 4 memory and a extremely fast processor. Hell some roms even tweak to read extremely fast to rank very high on quadrant at the expense of everything else.
Quadrant tests mean nothing because they can be easially mutilated. If i want high quadrant its easy, if i want a fast device that does what i want, its not so easy.
next, the browser itself is what lags, not the tegra3 chip. Take the stock browser and put it in ANY other device, it will lag just as much. Its a **** browser, get one that works and then talk.
If you drive a ferrarri and say "wow this car is amazing but the windshield gets very dirty and the wipers dont clean it that well" does it mean the car is ****? No! it means you need new wipers. The same way if your browser or launcher or whatever is laggy dont complain, try a different browser and it will work better.
I swear, can we have a "UnThanks" button for some of these people? im tired of seeing these threads...
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not really...... you know the browser doesn't lag as much on my nexus....
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http://www.stuff.tv/news/phone/news-nugget/exclusive-htc-one-x-vs-htc-one-xl-%E2%80%93-tegra-3-vs-snapdragon-s4
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Tegra 3 GPU is probably too weak to support the 1920 x 1080 display. Anandtech points this out in their iPad 3 review.
What about the S4 Pro? Is the only difference between the Pro and Non Pro the GPU?
Tegra 3 > Snapdragon S4?
Tegra 3 < Snapdragon S4?
DOES NOT MATTER
Personally I think the Tegra 3 is a better option, but that doesn't matter. They are only switching to the Snapdragon on the LTE versions and are switching to the Snapdragon because the Tegra 3 SoC doesn't support LTE. If you want LTE, you can't get Tegra 3.
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not really...... you know the browser doesn't lag as much on my nexus....
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The browser doesn't lag at all on my Prime. Not since I did a factory reset anyway.
There are a lot of things that can impact the performance or a particular app including the processor. However just because an app lags on one device and not on the other, that isn't proof that one processor is better than another. In fact that kind of comparison is practically worthless for judging the relative abilities of two different chipsets.
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Tegra 3 GPU is probably too weak to support the 1920 x 1080 display. Anandtech points this out in their iPad 3 review.
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If that were really true, it is unlikely that Asus would be using the Tegra 3 on the WiFi TF Infinity tablets.
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Tegra 3 GPU is probably too weak to support the 1920 x 1080 display. Anandtech points this out in their iPad 3 review.
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Here's the thing, anadtech, like pretty much most other tech media sites, have been taken over by apple fanboys who would say/do anything to put apple in a better light than others. Some times they would lie right through their teeth just to put apple in a better light. Some times it's more subtle.
The 32gb TFP model sells at $499. Everyone knows this. Last month, there was a review comparison of the prime versus the new ipad. The author dared to say the prime starts at like $600 and he proved it by linking to to an awefully overpriced website. When myself and several others spammed the hell out of their inbox demanding they change it, they changed it and said it was a "typo". I just find it amazing that all these mistakes and typos are always made to make apple look better.
Anyway, nowadays I don't trust anything the tech media says about the performances of apple devices versus others. They don't even try to hide their apple bias anymore.
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And I recently tried to use the ipad again. Smooth device. However, it still feels like an oversized ipod touch because everything is oversized. I'm not 80 years old. I don't need the icons to be that big.
Most reviews on YouTube do the same,all these so called tech website are been bought buy Apple...
Very sad......
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Thicker? Heavier? Shorter battery life? Pass.
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goodintentions said:
Here's the thing, anadtech, like pretty much most other tech media sites, have been taken over by apple fanboys who would say/do anything to put apple in a better light than others. Some times they would lie right through their teeth just to put apple in a better light. Some times it's more subtle.
The 32gb TFP model sells at $499. Everyone knows this. Last month, there was a review comparison of the prime versus the new ipad. The author dared to say the prime starts at like $600 and he proved it by linking to to an awefully overpriced website. When myself and several others spammed the hell out of their inbox demanding they change it, they changed it and said it was a "typo". I just find it amazing that all these mistakes and typos are always made to make apple look better.
Anyway, nowadays I don't trust anything the tech media says about the performances of apple devices versus others. They don't even try to hide their apple bias anymore.
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And I recently tried to use the ipad again. Smooth device. However, it still feels like an oversized ipod touch because everything is oversized. I'm not 80 years old. I don't need the icons to be that big.
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Anandtech liked the Prime so much they did a pre review and a redo (due to radio issues with first unit), plus collaborated with Asus on the wifi radio issues. The Tegra 3 gpu is too weak to support 1920 x 1080. Takes a lot of power and the reason the gpu is a big part of the A5X in the iPad 3. Not fanboy a issue, but a LOT of pixels to push issue. There will need to be a new gpu if the Tegra 3 is used- if users expect smooth performance.
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Anandtech liked the Prime so much they did a pre review and a redo (due to radio issues with first unit), plus collaborated with Asus on the wifi radio issues. The Tegra 3 gpu is too weak to support 1920 x 1080. Takes a lot of power and the reason the gpu is a big part of the A5X in the iPad 3. Not fanboy a issue, but a LOT of pixels to push issue. There will need to be a new gpu if the Tegra 3 is used- if users expect smooth performance.
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Ok, I'll take that I guess.
I'm just weary about tech websites nowadays. Last year, I stumbled upon an article comparing the ipad 2 to an android tablet. From start to finish, the author never even mentioned what the android tablet was. When I zoomed into the picture, I could have sworn it was one of those cheap chinese tablets that ran on android 2.2 or 1.6. This was about the time when praising the ipad got you a lot of readers because the ipad 2 had just come out.
Almost every tech review of the TF101 said typing using the docking station was annoying because the mouse pointer was jumping around too much. Get it? Not a single one of these so-called tech reviewers and experts knew the 4th button from the left top row disables the trackpad.
What I've found most interesting is the fact that for almost a year most tech reviewers just ignored the TF101 completely. There were plenty of "top 10 tablets" or "ipad killer tablets" articles. 99% of them left out the TF101 completely even though the transformer was even more popular than the xoom.
Let's go back even further. I remember when asus chairman launched the asus transformer along with several other new products. I was watching live blogs made by various "journalists". What I noticed was they were all criticizing the transformer even before they got their hands on it. I specifically remember one "journalist" writing he thought no one would be interested in a laptop-tablet hybrid.
The tech media needs to start doing some heavy self-censuring if they want me to start trusting them again. As far as I'm concern, they're a bunch of liars who would say anything to put apple above everything else.
Agreed with the fanboy bias, since there are a few major sites that prefer Apples in their diet.
comon guys lets face it: tegra 3 will get pwnd by the nextgen a15 cpu's. thats how it works , simple.
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nice mate ，cool
So we all know about the performance issues that this tablet is facing in a production state.
And lets go into more details here.
To see the exact cause of the problem, software or hardware and / or both for that matter..
Tools used for testing.
Antutu benchmark
Device performance
Interestingly enough this device is using much older kernel version (2.6) and the other device (sgs3 uses the kernel ver 3.0) for comparison.
imageshack dot us/gal.php?id=q5qukt7W2NHe0ujL2ueYnKqWpZqcpJifqZSnkdXjzZs
SGS3 scored Ram speed of 509MB/sec
TF700 scored Ram speed of 177MB/sec
pdadb dot net/index.php?m=specs&id=3299&view=1&c=asus_transformer_pad_infinity__eee_pad_transformer_prime_tf700t
pdadb dot net/index.php?m=specs&id=3534&view=1&c=samsung_gt-i9300_galaxy_s_iii_16gb__galaxy_s3
Wait a minute that doesn't sound right, should the TF700's DDR3L SDRAM be inferior to SGS3's LPDDR2 SDRAM both being 1GB.
imageshack dot us/gal.php?id=q5enkt7W2NHe0ujL2ueYnKqWpZqcpJifrJenkdXjzZs
As for the results for the SDcard on the TF700 what can be concluded is that either the nvidia system on chip storage issue or kernel driver being the culprit.
What do you guys think?
I think that an update will solve this problem.
DDR3 1600Mhz vs LPDDR2 500Mhz that's bananas.. the tf infinity has the edge by quite a lot what the gs3 has is the dual channel config maybe testing tools aren't yet optimized for DDR3 or 1600Mhz or both, but updates are the thing we are all waiting for
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ray3andrei said:
DDR3 1600Mhz vs LPDDR2 500Mhz that's bananas.. the tf infinity has the edge by quite a lot what the gs3 has is the dual channel config maybe testing tools aren't yet optimized for DDR3 or 1600Mhz or both, but updates are the thing we are all waiting for
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If I remember correctly the Prime has DDR2 while the TF300 has DDR3 (and therefore, the latter had *somewhat* improved I/O). I find it hard to believe (on the one hand; on the other (cynical) side, it might be probable ) that ASUS would "regress" to the earlier, demonstratively faulty setup in a device that costs a significantly higher amount of money than either of the previous devices. Obviously, the latter case would be the only situation in which updates would not be beneficial; in all other scenarios I can think of, updates should be beneficial in alleviating the I/O issues, at least partially.
EDIT: Thanks, demandarin, for the correction: the Prime had NOT a different memory channel configuration, but carries DDR2 RAM instead of the TF300's DDR3 RAM. Also, in the newer user experiences, the TF300 doesn't seem to improve that much on the lags, etc. as seen on the Prime. That would invalidate the stance of a ' regression' in relative performance between the TF300 and the TF700, given that, ultimately, the Prime indeed is significantly faster on the whole.
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If I remember correctly the Prime had a single-channel configuration while the TF300 had a dual-channel configuration (and therefore, the latter had significantly improved I/O). I find it hard to believe (on the one hand; on the other (cynical) side, it might be probable ) that ASUS would "regress" to the earlier, demonstratively faulty setup in a device that costs a significantly higher amount of money than either of the previous devices. Obviously, the latter case would be the only situation in which updates would not be beneficial; in all other scenarios I can think of, updates should be beneficial in alleviating the I/O issues, at least partially.
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300 has ddr3 like the 700 but its alot slower. where did you see that the 300 has dual channel configuration? that's a first, never heard or seen that one before.
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300 has ddr3 like the 700 but its alot slower. where did you see that the 300 has dual channel configuration? that's a first, never heard or seen that one before.
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As I said, I could remember incorrectly.
EDIT: I did, as the Tegra 3 chip only supports single-channel memory, as referenced on several websited (Anandtech,for example).
Wow, I'm up against some resistance here... Thanks for looking into the TF700 forums, demandarin -- it's very much appreciated! we could use a little help here and there!
I'll try and find the link to the review that reported that spec. I was quite amazed, and it made me hesitate to the Prime as compared to the TF300. In fact, so long that the TF700 was available before I made my decision, hahaha! (I was to be a late buyer of the Prime, granted.)
EIDIT: I can't find the reference, so that's one statement I will happily retract. Sorry for the inconvenience and confusion; I stand corrected.
The only good this is that it made me wait for the TF700, which is a decision I'm not regretting so far, issues notwithstanding.
The TF300 and TF700 having DDR3 instead of DDR2 really only comes into play for the GPU. With the TF700 they bumped it up to 1600 MHz to get the juice needed for a 1920x1200 display.
For "normal" use, the difference is miniscule. The different SoCs used (T33 vs T30/T30L) makes a larger difference in performance in most cases . I very much doubt that the RAM used plays any major part in the IO issues people experience. That's gotta be either a Tegra 2/3 limitation (since Anand noticed it even back on the Tegra 2 TF101) or a firmware/software issue that's yet to be solved. I'm inclined to believe it's the former since it's still not fixed.
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The TF300 and TF700 having DDR3 instead of DDR2 really only comes into play for the GPU. With the TF700 they bumped it up to 1600 MHz to get the juice needed for a 1920x1200 display.
For "normal" use, the difference is miniscule. The different SoCs used (T33 vs T30/T30L) makes a larger difference in performance in most cases . I very much doubt that the RAM used plays any major part in the IO issues people experience. That's gotta be either a Tegra 2/3 limitation (since Anand noticed it even back on the Tegra 2 TF101) or a firmware/software issue that's yet to be solved. I'm inclined to believe it's the former since it's still not fixed.
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Well, if that's the case we can at the least put our minds -- and our hopes of improvement -- to rest.
Hopefully there will be someone who would want to exchange his/her TF700KL (Snapdragon) for my TF700T (T3) for a little extra when it shows up ;8)
When initially Mediapad FHD was announced, most of us said well it's Huawei. Bad reputation company... But with so many QC issue ASUS is having, I am start thinking ASUS is as good/bad as Huawei (well I actually never tried Huawei so maybe I should not say this..).
As far as the specification on paper, this unit could be equal or perhaps even superior to the Infinity.
Type
Type
Tablet
Platform
Operating System
Android 4.0
Transfer Rate
LTE Cat4 (DL 150Mbps / UL 50Mbps), DC-HSPA+ (DL 84Mbps / UL 42Mbps)
CPU
Cortex-A9 Quad 1.2GHz
Appearance
Dimension (H X W X D)
257.4 × 175.9 × 8.8mm
Weight
~580g
Display
Size
10.1-inch
Resolution
1920*1200 IPS
Camera
Camera resolution
Front: 1.3Mp (720p Video Calling); Rear: 8Mp AF (1080p Camcording), Dual LED Flash
Capacity
Memory
8 / 16 / 32 / 64GB options
RAM
1GB
Connectivity
Wi-Fi
802.11b / 802.11g / 802.11n
Bluetooth
Bluetooth 3.0
Entertainment
Video player
[email protected](MPEG-4 / H.264 / VC-1 / WMV-9), with formats of MP4 / 3GP / 3G2 / RM / RMVB / ASF / FLAC / APE / MOV etc.
Music player
MP3 / WMA / FLAC / APE / WAV / RA / Ogg / MIDI / 3GP etc.
Headphone
3.5mm stereo audio jack, 2*Stereo speaker, Build-in MIC
Location
Location
GPS/A-GPS
Sensors
Accelerometer sensor
Supported
Ambient light sensor
Supported
e-Compass
Supported
Vibrator
Supported
Battery*
Type
Li-Poly
Capacity
6600mAh
There will be attachable keyboard with extended battery option.
The key specification here is CPU/GPU. Despite slower CPU clock speed it has better GPU (at least core # wise). This is like Exynos chip that Samsung has. Simply looking at New Ipad its CPU is mere 1GHz Dual Core, but GPU is where its power is. If you look at Benchmarks Android tablet beats CPU power but GPU power is far inferior. Exynos chip on SIII and Galaxy Note 10.1 comes the closest but yet far away. But considering how stable Galaxy Note 10.1 is (even on ICS), the stability must be coming from the memory (2GB) or GPU or maybe Nand (perhaps combination of all). So if mediapad does it right, it may function better overall than the Infinity, which definitely has some bottle neck somewhere.
I am not saying the MediaPad FHD would for sure be superior, but as Infinity having so many issues, giving a try on MediaPad FHD might not be a bad idea.
*Too bad MediaPad FHD gave up on 2GB memory as originally planned.
No because:
1. Huawei doesn't get dev support, ASUS gets some.
2. 1.2 ghz vs 1.7 ghz
3. 1 GB of RAM is the same
3. Not IPS+
Yes because:
1. Questionably better quality control
Keion said:
No because:
1. Huawei doesn't get dev support, ASUS gets some.
2. 1.2 ghz vs 1.7 ghz
3. 1 GB of RAM is the same
3. Not IPS+
Yes because:
1. Questionably better quality control
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#1 is probably big on tech savy people which I guess majority of people on XDA.
#2, again I don't know much importance. Exynos on Galaxy Note 10.1 is 1.4 GHz but essentially equivalent Atuntu score and actually overall more smooth/stable than the Infinity (when infinity is performing at its peak with tweaks, I think it can match but not consistent and definitely not for everyone)
#3, I don't know why Huawei dropped this... It originally had 2GB RAM
#4. Hmm... Even with IPS+ under the direct sunlight I still had difficulty seeing and inside, I don't need IPS+, so for me IPS+ was never needed option.
Now for QC, never knows but with current QC track record of ASUS I am seeing, I cannot imagine any company could be much worse than that.
I think key Yes. here (Potential) is "16 core GPU."
But again who knows... I'm just throwing this here because I really want to have FHD tablet.... but cannot go back to Infinity until the ANR after ANR issue gets solved..
P.S. I never found Keion that interesting... but I know it is extremely highly rated anime.
HoushaSen said:
#1 is probably big on tech savy people which I guess majority of people on XDA.
#2, again I don't know much importance. Exynos on Galaxy Note 10.1 is 1.4 GHz but essentially equivalent Atuntu score and actually overall more smooth/stable than the Infinity (when infinity is performing at its peak with tweaks, I think it can match but not consistent and definitely not for everyone)
#3, I don't know why Huawei dropped this... It originally had 2GB RAM
#4. Hmm... Even with IPS+ under the direct sunlight I still had difficulty seeing and inside, I don't need IPS+, so for me IPS+ was never needed option.
Now for QC, never knows but with current QC track record of ASUS I am seeing, I cannot imagine any company could be much worse than that.
I think key Yes. here (Potential) is "16 core GPU."
But again who knows... I'm just throwing this here because I really want to have FHD tablet.... but cannot go back to Infinity until the ANR after ANR issue gets solved..
P.S. I never found Keion that interesting... but I know it is extremely highly rated anime.
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H-how dare you insult my favorite anime!
Joking aside, the main reason for instability on the infinity are the FHD screen (which the mediapad shares) and the IO issues (which the mediapad does not have).
Also wanted to add the infinity has a 12(+?) core GPU.
Keion said:
H-how dare you insult my favorite anime!
Joking aside, the main reason for instability on the infinity are the FHD screen (which the mediapad shares) and the IO issues (which the mediapad does not have).
Also wanted to add the infinity has a 12(+?) core GPU.
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I hope fhd is not the issue but it could be... if so, until next generation cpu gpu combo comes, the issue will not be solved.. infinity has 12 gpu cores and note has 16. So gl benchmark of note is the best of all android tablets still behind new iPad.
I liked bakemonogatari though.
Never heard of 'em...
no
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Not buying cheap chinese knockoff. Almost no Chinese company I knows of has the ability to perform effective QC like the Taiwanese/Japanese/American companies do.
The closest one I can think of is Lenovo and their line of computers are still a long way from the old Thinkpads of yore (the corporations who stopped using thinkpads are a clear indication of that).
Funny considering that all iPhones and iPads are made by a Chinese company.
Huawei is fast becoming one of the largest telecom companies in the world.
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clenz said:
Funny considering that all iPhones and iPads are made by a Chinese company.
Huawei is fast becoming one of the largest telecom companies in the world.
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There's a difference between manufacturing and quality control.
Well Huawei, is still quite unknown, but the latest phones were not that bad.
I just don't understand why they wait so long to release their products. For example the new quad phone was announced for April? and still nothing. Now they have to fight against s3,hox and soon Note 2 and I phone 5,which is pretty hard.
For the pad is the same. Against note 10.1, tf700 and "new", ipad-I don't really so a chance. Well prove me wrong.
Nevertheless I will take a look at it, just to compare.
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Stop spamming OP.
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Well Huawei, is still quite unknown, but the latest phones were not that bad.
I just don't understand why they wait so long to release their products. For example the new quad phone was announced for April? and still nothing. Now they have to fight against s3,hox and soon Note 2 and I phone 5,which is pretty hard.
For the pad is the same. Against note 10.1, tf700 and "new", ipad-I don't really so a chance. Well prove me wrong.
Nevertheless I will take a look at it, just to compare.
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True. But with its reputation, only way huawei can prove is when compared to more known brand. Otherwise, most would simply dismiss by saying but tf700 is coming soon... I really like fhd so hope either this or tf700 next update is the answer.
I'm thinking about the Mediapad FHD.
A combination of the lack of 3g support on the Infinity & Asus' stupid pricing in the UK means I will be looking at other options.
Actually, after returning my TF700 after a few days (freezing , light bleed, ands creen input Issues), I now think the way to go will be the new Microsoft Surface or some other Windows RT tablet , assuming they can get developers to create bunches of apps like Android and Apple (But I remember that app creation started off slow for both these platforms as well - Do you remember how few Ipda apps there were at the beginning) Hardwarewise it is a gamechanger. If you get a chance, watch the keynote video on it. I don't think QC will be an issue - I think it will be Applelike detail, but with a system that allows expandability via USB and sd, which is what I want, as well as that new keyboard. We are so close to release now that it would be a mistake to jump into another platform without at least seing what is released.
I really wanted to have Aius work for me but after 2 failed attempts (Prime and Infinity) I give up.
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I'm thinking about the Mediapad FHD.
A combination of the lack of 3g support on the Infinity & Asus' stupid pricing in the UK means I will be looking at other options.
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Well UK will get MediaPad before US so hope to see some review from there.
Actually, after returning my TF700 after a few days (freezing , light bleed, ands creen input Issues), I now think the way to go will be the new Microsoft Surface or some other Windows RT tablet , assuming they can get developers to create bunches of apps like Android and Apple (But I remember that app creation started off slow for both these platforms as well - Do you remember how few Ipda apps there were at the beginning) Hardwarewise it is a gamechanger. If you get a chance, watch the keynote video on it. I don't think QC will be an issue - I think it will be Applelike detail, but with a system that allows expandability via USB and sd, which is what I want, as well as that new keyboard. We are so close to release now that it would be a mistake to jump into another platform without at least seing what is released.
I really wanted to have Aius work for me but after 2 failed attempts (Prime and Infinity) I give up.
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Windows 8 tablet is definitely interesting player. But based on the recent IFA Berlin, I feel like their target audience is slightly different. Here is why.
Windows 8 RT
This is more of direct competition to Android Tablet & iPad. But just as you mentioned, it will likely to take sometime before app market catches up with that of iPad or Android. Both had phone background so though they weren't initially optimized, they had enough application from get go. Whereas, Windows 8 the biggest advantage (could have been) was to use all Windows software poool, which RT does not allow and instead asking programmers to create Metro specific applications. So question is how long will it be? 6 months? 1 year? No RT tablet that is announced thus far have neither FHD screen nor inductive pen capabilities i.e. lacking main selling features of Infinity or Galaxy Note 10.
My guess is by the time the Metro market matures, there will be so many more RT tablet with cheaper prices, and of course better specs. So personally, RT is a pass.
Windows 8 Pro
Samsung Ativ Smart Pro actually have phenomenal spec with FHD, pen support, and support for all windows applications. However, its battery life is mere 5 hours DVD playtime (Infinity claims 9.5 hours and in my real life use I get only 5-6 hours, so who knows what 5 hours really become). The weight is quite heavy.
At this point, I feel like if Samsung really releases P10 Android Tablet, that would be the one but given such recent release of Galaxy Note 10.1, new tablet won't probably come for at least 6 months.
Certainly interesting time for tablet.
I bought the TF101 a long time ago, and after reading about the tf700, I've come to the conclusion that Nvidia Tegra sucks. I still can't watch movies at full frame rates on my TF101. Also the whole I/O problem really annoys me. However, software wise, Asus rules. Fantastic support for the tf101. Also, from what I read Tegra 4 may change things.
I bought a Huawei U8800 about the same time as the TF101. Hardware was pretty good, especially for the price. Software (especially OS optimization and updates) was terrible to say the least.
I'm not sure which tablet I want to buy. If Asus was using a different (read: better) processor than the Tegra 3, there would be no question. But I felt kinda burned on the Tegra 2 and the I/O situation. If the mediapad is significantly cheaper, I may go that route.
Also, I don't really use custom roms and dev stuff, so I don't factor that in. However, from my experience with the U8800, China has a huge dev community, and The XDA developers are aware of it and borrow from and work with them. So you will get some decent dev community support with Huawei, not as much as with Asus though.
The difference is amazing. How come the TF300 is smoother when it comes to browsing/switching apps and in some games like Lets Golf 3 compare to the TF700 ?
Both tablets are running latest updates.
Any tips ? Thanks
Maybe because the TF300 has less than half the pixels of the TF700?
I noticed my Tf700 was extremely slow until I flashed Cleanrom 2.3. Now it's fine. I think Asus might have been a little lazy when creating the TF700. I feel like all they did was address the GPS/WIFI problem on the prime and add slightly clocked up processor. These minor modifications definitely can't support the high resolution screen and for some reason the Infinity has some memory speed problems, which can be fixed by flashing Cleanrom 2.3
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Maybe because the TF300 has less than half the pixels of the TF700?
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Isnt the faster processor suppose to compensate for this ?
Not necessarily. The faster processor is the same processor, just the clock speed is higher, which doesnt really make too big of a difference. The gpu is the same and memory speeds really lack. Asus really didnt do well optimizing this tablets software to its specs
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No idea what your talking about. My sisters tf300 is a snail compared to my tf700. Something is wrong with your infinity...
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If you have a chance, you should try to use the tf300 for a more extended period of time (I assume your experience with the tf300 was a few minutes at some computer shop). The tf300 I have tried at the shops are always really fast, my guess would be they are in factory condition, no 3rd party apps to slow things down. Since the screen on the tf300 has a much lower resolution, I believe it should be a very fast tablet. A fair comparison can only be made by those you have spent a substantial amount of time with both tablets.
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Isnt the faster processor suppose to compensate for this ?
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It's much less than twice as fast:
Tegra T30L (TF300): 1.2 GHz CPU (1.3 on 1 core), 416 MHz GPU
Tegra T33 (TF700): 1.6 GHz CPU (1.7 on 1 core), 520 MHz GPU
pierrekid said:
No idea what your talking about. My sisters tf300 is a snail compared to my tf700. Something is wrong with your infinity...
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I tried another one this morning and it is as slow as mine.
Pretty lame tablet IMO
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If you have a chance, you should try to use the tf300 for a more extended period of time (I assume your experience with the tf300 was a few minutes at some computer shop). The tf300 I have tried at the shops are always really fast, my guess would be they are in factory condition, no 3rd party apps to slow things down. Since the screen on the tf300 has a much lower resolution, I believe it should be a very fast tablet. A fair comparison can only be made by those you have spent a substantial amount of time with both tablets.
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I own both. You shouldnt assume...
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It's much less than twice as fast:
Tegra T30L (TF300): 1.2 GHz CPU (1.3 on 1 core), 416 MHz GPU
Tegra T33 (TF700): 1.6 GHz CPU (1.7 on 1 core), 520 MHz GPU
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tx, that explain why it is so slow...
1920x1280 is way too much for this combo
Ok a bit slugish, but what a screen. I like the resolution a lot.
Since I flashed cleanrom 2.3 plus Clemsyn's universal kernel my tf700 flies. quadrant score before (4700) after (6172). All I can say is WOW. update quad now(6231) rom must be settling down.
mikeshi31 said:
I noticed my Tf700 was extremely slow until I flashed Cleanrom 2.3. Now it's fine. I think Asus might have been a little lazy when creating the TF700. I feel like all they did was address the GPS/WIFI problem on the prime and add slightly clocked up processor. These minor modifications definitely can't support the high resolution screen and for some reason the Infinity has some memory speed problems, which can be fixed by flashing Cleanrom 2.3
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Im in the same boat, now on clean rom 2.4 and wow super fast. I have both 300 and 700 and finally the tf700 is going to be the one i pick up more often, its just a shame asus could not h ave done this out of the box.
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