http://www.gsmarena.com/2011_xperia...no_ics_for_optimus_2x_and_black-news-4570.php
Saw the news and just bought a GNex. NEVER AGAIN, LG/Nvidia.
I want to be optimistic....
This is just LG Canada, I hope that doesn't mean the rest of the world.
Makes me sad, nonetheless.
I was worried too, but hey, in Canada we didn't even get Gingerbread (on our G2x atleast) so there's hope for it to come put for another country
I'm not holding my breath. LG/nVidia has given us NO inclination they care about their customers. Never again will I buy LG or any nVidia product (I've got 5 PC's, all of which will never see a nVidia card in them again).
I've already had enuff drama concerning this device and LG support, I mean I get the big gist of it and don't think I'm entitled to updated software. My beef is that GooG made it available, the carriers can only be blamed for so much, and Nvidia and LG have gotten sticks up there asses cause of the junk builds of the phone that were initially pushed out. They got shell shocked and buttoned up the house on support and dissed TMO in the process.
I'm done with half asses Pre-ICS devices and minor players trying to be large. Go big or go home LG, Think you can fool me twice Nvidia? No....
On the road to get my Galaxy SIII or my HTC One-X.....I'm sticking with players that got legs enuff to stand and balls enough to do what they want.
Holla'
LG is so confusing, they posted a couple days ago (LG Canada) that the G2X will be getting ICS, now they say the Optimus 2X wont? They need to get their story straight lol
LG support forums said the G2x will not be getting ICS...period. At this point I have to suspect that there is a whole lot of crack smoking going on in the LG Canada offices.
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LG support forums said the G2x will not be getting ICS...period. At this point I have to suspect that there is a whole lot of crack smoking going on in the LG Canada offices.
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Seriously, because in this post:
https://twitter.com/LGCanada/status/212236732500934656
From June 11th, LG Canada states that the G2X (P999 they said) will get ICS in Q3 of this year. But the only carrier in Canada who carries the P999 (Wind) has stated that they won't release any more updates for the P999, it's so confusing haha
LG Can go to hell!!!!
Honestly lg makes a pretty good phone. Its really not lg's fault, its nvidia's because they're so closed source on their drivers. Yes, lg can get the drivers from nvidia because well, they're lg, but it has been stated that internationally they're working on ics for the O2x. Just have to wait and see.
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I'm not holding my breath. LG/nVidia has given us NO inclination they care about their customers. Never again will I buy LG or any nVidia product (I've got 5 PC's, all of which will never see a nVidia card in them again).
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I agree that the lifespan of this phone IMO was too short. But the reality is, is it that it takes money and resources to develop updates for any phone. If you already have new products you are trying to sell, there is no incentive for LG (or any other manufacturer) to continue support for an older product that will NOT generate revenue.
I hate this as much as you guys do, trust me, but it comes down to keeping the business running and generating income to stay in the game. All phones fall out of support eventually, and with new phones coming out every 6 months, those lifespans just keep getting shorter.
Here is hoping some other device with a Tegra 2 chipset gets ICS. We only need one to hopefully reverse engineer those drivers. :good:
It may be money but
LG and Nvidia's both need o know that virtually every member of our community will not by their phone products again. If its so damn expensive, release the source and let people develop for it. If that's too scary than just accept that we have learned never to trust you. The only way I buy Nvidia's again is if I get a nexus 7?..the only way I would buy an lg phone again is if someone paid me to take it. You failed--both LG and Nvidia's. I think it's time we advertise our unhappiness...petitions do nothing but bad press and bad reviews might be effective.
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I agree that the lifespan of this phone IMO was too short. But the reality is, is it that it takes money and resources to develop updates for any phone. If you already have new products you are trying to sell, there is no incentive for LG (or any other manufacturer) to continue support for an older product that will NOT generate revenue.
I hate this as much as you guys do, trust me, but it comes down to keeping the business running and generating income to stay in the game. All phones fall out of support eventually, and with new phones coming out every 6 months, those lifespans just keep getting shorter.
Here is hoping some other device with a Tegra 2 chipset gets ICS. We only need one to hopefully reverse engineer those drivers. :good:
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We're not asking for them to release a working ROM. Release the damn drivers to Ricardo and I'm sure we'd be hooked up in a couple of weeks with one HELL of an ICS ROM, and JB to boot...
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...the reality is, is it that it takes money and resources to develop updates for any phone. If you already have new products you are trying to sell, there is no incentive for LG (or any other manufacturer) to continue support for an older product that will NOT generate revenue.
I hate this as much as you guys do, trust me, but it comes down to keeping the business running and generating income to stay in the game...
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Although I see your point, I completely disagree. Customers bring revenue and customers need a reason to buy a product, so this is where reliability and credibility come in. By abandoning the older customers, they're putting a huge dent in their reliability; after all, how reliable is a phone that becomes obsolete in less than half a year due to poor customer support? Now add the fact that they've promised ICS in some cases and refuted that all together in other cases, and you can also throw credibility out of the window.
People who hear reviews from unhappy, abandoned customers will not want to buy an LG product and those customers will probably completely discredit LG in any way they can from that point on. When you look at it that way, the way that it actually is, you can see a terrible business model.
Well.. looks like my phone's heading to kijiji.
I know I'll never buy another LG phone. See LG, that's what happens when you don't support your products. Considering Gingerbread was out when this phone was released, there's no reason why it didn't come with it in the first place. At least I can get $85 trade-in for this one to put towards my Galaxy S3...
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Honestly lg makes a pretty good phone. Its really not lg's fault, its nvidia's because they're so closed source on their drivers. Yes, lg can get the drivers from nvidia because well, they're lg, but it has been stated that internationally they're working on ics for the O2x. Just have to wait and see.
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According to this site, LG confirmed no ICS for the O2x. http://www.knowyourmobile.com/blog/1511525/no_android_ice_cream_sandwich_for_lg_optimus_2x.html
Hope whoever made that decision dies in a fire. I'm glad I got the GNex.
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According to this site, LG confirmed no ICS for the O2x. http://www.knowyourmobile.com/blog/1511525/no_android_ice_cream_sandwich_for_lg_optimus_2x.html
Hope whoever made that decision dies in a fire. I'm glad I got the GNex.
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Sounds a little extreme of a reaction over a dumb phone.
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Sounds a little extreme of a reaction over a dumb phone.
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Just a little hyperbole
Related
Take it with a grain of salt. But it sounds mildly legit.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=913045
edit: actually i call b.s.
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edit: actually i call b.s.
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Why? I have no firm opinion one way or the other, but just saying "bull****" really doesn't mean much unless you're playing the card game.
How could Samsung charge for an open-source project update? Obviously they must make some modifications to make it fit their phones, but at its core, its still an open source program.
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How could Samsung charge for an open-source project update? Obviously they must make some modifications to make it fit their phones, but at its core, its still an open source program.
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Open source doesn't mean free.
I'm inclined to believe it. It makes more sense than trying to say they have been testing it for months. I've had my captivate for 6 months, almost 5 of them running FroYo thanks to the awesome devs here. Has the froyo always been stable and fast? No. But the devs don't work for Samsung with all the resouces, they are doing it in their spare time. I would bet Samsung had a fairly stable, almost complete version of FroYo ready before the phone released.
I am really getting tempted by the Atrix, apart from the awesome hardware and webtop app, Motorola devices get updates. But, they sound harder to flash custom ROMs, so its a give and take. Based on what I saw on the CES coverage, going with only official software may not be so bad.
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Makes no sense. Regardless if Samsung charges for feature updates or not, terms of the upgrades would have been set between carrier and Samsung prior to the first handset even being made. Thus outside of any major surprises (which there are none here) the carrier knows from day one what upgrades will be offered, when and at what cost. It's not like Samsung turned around weeks after the devices shipped and said, "Hey. That Froyo upgrade is gonna cost ya, buddy!" That would have been known long before contacts were signed.
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Even if thus is true, both AT&T and Samsung have all ready made too many mistakes. Both will lose some business. Yes it won't be enough to hurt either but maybe all the pestering will make them rethink their business models. Probably not. My last Samschmuck phone on AT&T for sure.
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Makes no sense. Regardless if Samsung charges for feature updates or not, terms of the upgrades would have been set between carrier and Samsung prior to the first handset even being made. Thus outside of any major surprises (which there are none here) the carrier knows from day one what upgrades will be offered, when and at what cost. It's not like Samsung turned around weeks after the devices shipped and said, "Hey. That Froyo upgrade is gonna cost ya, buddy!" That would have been known long before contacts were signed.
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This is the same point I tried to make on the thread. While Samsung may have been the ones to state that Froyo would come to Galaxy S, it may be that the carrier(s) decided to balk on the 2.2 update due to extra cost as probably stipulated by whatever contract they negotiated with Samsung.
If Froyo is already on Canadian carriers' devices (officially) why not U.S. carriers. Something reeks here.
While Samsung should have kept their mouths shut about the update, I'm sure a part is being played by the American carriers here.
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You are mixing up open source with free software. Ask Richard Stallman the difference
Also, I would imagine that they would not be paying Samsung for the software itself but more so the software development to tailor it to the carriers needs.
This sounds good in theory, but I think it has holes.
this would be the case for all phones on all carriers, but it isn't the same situation.
iphone updates are coming out all the time. With at&t subsidized out the butt on the iphone, I fail to believe they osu for all those updates.
I had a samsung blackjCk, and we went through the same thing with winmo, meanwhile other at&t phones got the updates.
Id have to say honestly in my personal opinion based from facts from an inside source... At&t is so obsessed with the iphone anything that costs them money or time that doesn't increase profits is going to be set on the backburner... Att has a time of year called "Iphone season" where they push the new versions and updates of the iphone to customers.... Seeing as how froyo itself was already released for almost every device on OTHER carriers and att has yet to push a single update aside from the eclaire update i doubt it will ever be coming.
Not to mention if anyone has noticed att removed ALOT of stuff from the captivates before they were able to ship them to customers... for example the third party apk allow button is completely gone from the stock phones due to att and their restrictions and the market having apps that just don't show up becuase of the way att wants to now start locking down phones like apple. (not trying to bash anyone or brands but from what ive seen from someone who loves to customize and believe anything i pay for is mine and i should be able to do as i wish with said product that's how it is in my eyes)
I think that since they have the rage over the iphones (another reason they try to sell them harder then any other phone is because of the "vast amount of accessories" ) it feels like they fell on the band wagon of the craze instead of actually worrying about ALL of their customers. It just seems like since iphone updates are pushed to phone and att doesnt have to deal with them, not to mention if the phone messes up it goes to an apple store and not att.
I've also heard rumors from att employees stating that something was signed with apple to put restrictions on android updates and phones in order to allow exclusivity for the iphone when it was first released. As to the truth behind this, anyones guess is as good as mine. Just seems funny how No att phones have gotten the froyo update unless they've (the customer) installed it themselves.
I wouldn't be looking forward to any updates from what i've seen on my end.
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This sounds good in theory, but I think it has holes.
this would be the case for all phones on all carriers, but it isn't the same situation.
iphone updates are coming out all the time. With at&t subsidized out the butt on the iphone, I fail to believe they osu for all those updates.
I had a samsung blackjCk, and we went through the same thing with winmo, meanwhile other at&t phones got the updates.
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AT&T has nothing to do with iPhone updates. Matter of fact, AT&T has nothing to do with iPhones at all, except sell them. All iPhone updates are done through iTunes and all iPhone support is handled by Apple. This is not a good comparison.
Even comparing WinMo doesn't really work. I had a Wizard on AT&T, and there was exactly one firmware update, even though there were other versions that were available later. Plus, Windows is not free and not based on open source code. So, carriers would expect to pay for updates with closed source operating systems.
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I've also heard rumors from att employees stating that something was signed with apple to put restrictions on android updates and phones in order to allow exclusivity for the iphone when it was first released.
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If that were true, then Apple and AT&T would be facing some serious litigation. This is similar to the deals that Intel made with computer manufacturers, forcing them to slow leak AMD sales in order to sell more Intel chips. Intel paid quite a hefty fine and suffered a serious PR black eye. That type of practice stifles competition and is very, very illegal. So, I doubt that Apple and AT&T would even consider doing that.
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Id have to say honestly in my personal opinion based from facts from an inside source... At&t is so obsessed with the iphone anything that costs them money or time that doesn't increase profits is going to be set on the backburner... Att has a time of year called "Iphone season" where they push the new versions and updates of the iphone to customers.... Seeing as how froyo itself was already released for almost every device on OTHER carriers and att has yet to push a single update aside from the eclaire update i doubt it will ever be coming.
Not to mention if anyone has noticed att removed ALOT of stuff from the captivates before they were able to ship them to customers... for example the third party apk allow button is completely gone from the stock phones due to att and their restrictions and the market having apps that just don't show up becuase of the way att wants to now start locking down phones like apple. (not trying to bash anyone or brands but from what ive seen from someone who loves to customize and believe anything i pay for is mine and i should be able to do as i wish with said product that's how it is in my eyes)
I think that since they have the rage over the iphones (another reason they try to sell them harder then any other phone is because of the "vast amount of accessories" ) it feels like they fell on the band wagon of the craze instead of actually worrying about ALL of their customers. It just seems like since iphone updates are pushed to phone and att doesnt have to deal with them, not to mention if the phone messes up it goes to an apple store and not att.
I've also heard rumors from att employees stating that something was signed with apple to put restrictions on android updates and phones in order to allow exclusivity for the iphone when it was first released. As to the truth behind this, anyones guess is as good as mine. Just seems funny how No att phones have gotten the froyo update unless they've (the customer) installed it themselves.
I wouldn't be looking forward to any updates from what i've seen on my end.
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Conspiracy theory much? Like someone said, your theories border on anti-competitive in practice. AT&T is also not so obsessed with the iPhone given how much they've diversified their smartphone portfolio in the past 9 months (+2 WebOS devices, +2 BlackBerrys, +3 Windows Phones, +5 Android devices).
I'm usually skeptical about these things, but this is about the only rumor that makes sense.
For those comparing it to the iphone, its like comparing oranges to apples. Apple pretty much takes care of everything on their side.At&t just peddles their product. Apple has a 400 person call center just for the iphone, next door to where I work.
Apple makes the hardware and creates the OS.
Samsung just makes hardware which is a good thing considering how bad their software engineers are at coding.
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I'm more in the conspiracy theory side
Don't trust everything you read.
Thing about it deeply, what is more likely:
A Sammy employee risked his job, created an account just to create this post, and tell us the truth about the updates and how bad his employer is? seriously? What did he gain by doing this post? peace of mind? can he go to sleep now that he has revealed the truth of the US-only updates? Does really the Samsung employees care this much for only the US based users? This smells, and bad.
Now lets look at the conspiracy side. An AT&T employee notices our frustration against them. They see that seem to be more frustrated people are the non tech-savvy ones; that we got to admit they are more than us and represent a big number for them. On the other hand I bet they receive a gazillion calls from you guys on these subject.
Wouldn't be more likely than AT&T representative created that post to wash their hands and pass the blame to sammy? Isn't them who released a restricted phone and made a deal with Samsung saying that they will be in charge of this phone's updates? Samsungs cost in releasing an update of a phone that is almost equal to 6 other phones they released is null; whereas AT&T cost in updating their crap is high. Don't be blind. Carriers are the new tyrants. They will do anything in their power to get more money. If you could see what they are able to do in countries like mine you wont even doubt this. In my country of such a deal is made you can forget that you will ever get updates. There even is a carrier that, after 4 months passed that you have purchased a motorola's android based phone, charges you 10 uss monthly for MOTO BLUR, and this was written in the small print of the contract... seriously... I've seen carriers cancel their users contracts, saying they requested that, to bill them their contract-cancelation fee...
I could go on with this for pages... I've witnessed carriers lying, deceiving, and even more right in the people's face. If you want to check this, and know some spanish or use translators, just google "Claro hijos de puta" (sons of a...) or "claro estafa" (scam); both searches give more than 3 million results, and you wont imagine what you might find inside those pages...
This whole thing smells badly. And if I had to bet, I would say that post was made by a carrier to buy them time, or even to start making up an excuse so they wont ever release an update... after all, they would be the only ones that would benefit from such events...
I'm through waiting
This story was the final straw for me, whether it's true or not. I am tired of the drama and am no longer waiting for AT&T and/or Samsung to deliver what AT&T told me would happen when I bought the phone. If AT&T store staff said something incorrect it was corporate's fault for not guiding their staff correctly. I was told shortly Froyo was coming, but it never came. Samsung said on Twitter/Facebook we all would have Froyo last year. There is no excuse for what they have done, none. I've waded through the myriad of 3rd party ROMs and was leery of the leaked Froyo ones due to everyone seemed to have an issue here or there. The 9000 ROMs sounded exciting but came with issues I didn't want. I just want a working GPS and a stable phone, running Froyo, what I thought I was getting last summer.
Now that Rogers released a North American ROM and the talented coders have seized upon it, we seem to be approaching a new level of stability with Froyo. After reading up on the various Rogers ROM based images I installed Cognition (donation coming later tonight) and after 30 minutes of playing around, I am home with Froyo now. I am beyond tired of waiting for AT&T and/or Samsung to do the honorable thing for they are not honorable companies. I doubt another Samsung will grace my pocket and yet maybe it will be the 3rd party coders that will ultimately deliver what I have waited patiently for, for months. Wouldn't it be a wonderful environment if Samsung would just release the source to everything and let those out here, those infinitely more talented than Samsung staff, have access to the code they need to work pure magic.
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polarbee said:
Open source doesn't mean free.
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Open source comes under GPL license. This isn't the one that is of cost, but the efforts involved in packing for a device, its extensive testing is what is costly.
In the most simplest of terms, the following people would be involved:
Business Team x 3 people
Development Team x 6 people
Testing/QA Team x 10 people
To take care of these people:
Project Manager x 1 person
Team Leads x 3 people (1 for each team)
Taking this to 23 people, to say the least.
On an average, if we pay each person say $ 50k for 6 months effort, it would be $ 50,000 x 23 = $ 1,150,000 i.e., $ 1.15 millions for 6 months.
Now see, this is only the minimal scale. For a phone so wide spread, I would assume a team of atleast 50 where managers charge more than 100-200k a year.
Now u see why Samsung doesn't wish to put this kind of money into a phone already sold, and is looking into marketing newer phones.
I think its all hoopla.
This "leak" of sensitive information on one of many android forums is only going to reach the eyes of a hand full of readers.
We (the brave souls wanting new updates for our gadgets and willing to hack them to get it) are very few in numbers compared to the vast amounts of consumers who own this phone, and usually don't give a hoot about a new update/upgrade for their phones ROM, IF they even know what the heck it is. They only care that their calls and texts go through, and they can browse the web on their lunch break.
The ONLY issue that most would care about is the GPS issues we have had. And I bet that AT&T, and Samsung have both received tens of thousands of customer complaints regarding Mr. Joe Average not being able to find his way on his family vacation. Again, we are but a small number compared to that. I would think that alone would motivate something to happen, at least an OTA update to fix the GPS issues. Nope.
So other than an intellectual debate on "why haves", and "why have nots" on a forum like this, there is nothing else this message could possibly accomplish.
The above thread, and this one will slowly slide down the thread list and be forgotten and nothing else will change.
The Bottom Line
Rumors aside, if it doesn't sell more phones, minutes or data plans and it can be avoided without seriously upsetting customers, they won't bother. Outside of our merry band of flash-a-holics, what percent of Captivate owners even know what Froyo is or care?
Also, judging by the JH7 OTA debacle, Samsung's OTA upgrade capability is decidedly unreliable. I'd bet that caused a mountain of returns. AT&T HATES returns!!! Costs them a fortune. The cost of paying Samsung for a Froyo upgrade is a drop in the bucket by comparison. So a bad OTA system is worse than none at all. If AT&T can get away with avoiding it, they will.
I think our best hope is to make A LOT of noise! Complain to Samsung, AT&T and Google. Do it publicly on FB, Twitter, etc. Do it often. A small vocal group of XDA readers can probably stir up a decent amount of attention at AT&T if they coordinated their efforts.
http://www.law360.com/technology/articles/258771/lg-struck-with-class-action-over-smartphone-defects . credit to brooklyng2x over on lgforum for finding it.
Would be nice if you didn't have to sign up with a website in order to get on board with the CAL.
The link isn't working for me
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how about this pdf? http://articles.law360.s3.amazonaws...um-6-dm_id-5305026-doc_num-1-pdf_header-2.pdf
He is right! Somebody had to do it! LG deserves it!
Well now LG won't give us GB at all lol they're probably saying, "Well here's the lawsuit, now we don't have to work on GB anymore."
this needed to be done, this isnt the first time lg has had a class action lawsuit. They have had one for their refrigerators.
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how about this pdf? http://articles.law360.s3.amazonaws...um-6-dm_id-5305026-doc_num-1-pdf_header-2.pdf
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Thank you kind sir!
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A class action lawsuit is a total and complete waste of time and a mis-use of a system that is already corrupt. Rather than attempt to get your share of $4.30 which is what the end result will be for participants just ride it out and either flash a working ROM or wait for the update.
I KNOW...WE HAVE ALL HEARD THE WHINING AND CRYING BEFORE.....I shouldn't have to flash a custom ROM, It's been since April blah blah blah...Ever heard the saying Buyer Beware. If you purchase the first run of damn near ANYTHING other than food or clothing there will ALMOST always be some type of bug to be worked out. And I don't wanna hear "Well I bought mine in June so it's not first run". IT IS!
Deal with it, grow up and let our courts handle more pressing issues other than your cell phone wont work. Hell, I flashed a custom ROM and then out of the blue am having re-boot issues. Maybe I should call Barry Obama and see if he can get me a replacement.
Have a great day!
I think more of us are pissed at the run around, lack of communication, broken promises, and now dead silence. Im sure none of us are looking for the end settlement but hoping this wakes lg up and keeps them in touch with us and not feed us BS.
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I think more of us are pissed at the run around, lack of communication, broken promises, and now dead silence. Im sure none of us are looking for the end settlement but hoping this wakes lg up and keeps them in touch with us and not feed us BS.
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well said.
Like I said in other thread: Some people can't see past their own nose.
I knew I held onto my G2X for a reason...
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A class action lawsuit is a total and complete waste of time and a mis-use of a system that is already corrupt. Rather than attempt to get your share of $4.30 which is what the end result will be for participants just ride it out and either flash a working ROM or wait for the update.
I KNOW...WE HAVE ALL HEARD THE WHINING AND CRYING BEFORE.....I shouldn't have to flash a custom ROM, It's been since April blah blah blah...Ever heard the saying Buyer Beware. If you purchase the first run of damn near ANYTHING other than food or clothing there will ALMOST always be some type of bug to be worked out. And I don't wanna hear "Well I bought mine in June so it's not first run". IT IS!
Deal with it, grow up and let our courts handle more pressing issues other than your cell phone wont work. Hell, I flashed a custom ROM and then out of the blue am having re-boot issues. Maybe I should call Barry Obama and see if he can get me a replacement.
Have a great day!
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What exactly was this the "first run" of? A smartphone? Definitely not. A smartphone running Android? Not that either. A device with a nvidia Tegra 2 processor? Nope. I'll admit that there are a lot of devices and products that have problems with them at first -- almost all of them actually. This is beyond normal though, and there's no denying that. As far as the court system goes, the whole world is corrupt, get used to it.
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I think more of us are pissed at the run around, lack of communication, broken promises, and now dead silence. Im sure none of us are looking for the end settlement but hoping this wakes lg up and keeps them in touch with us and not feed us BS.
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I appreciate that. But the bottom line in something like this is, now that a suit has been filed it only leads them to want to drag their feet.
I appreciate the frustration by the lack of communication. I am there as well. But I guess some of us look as the glass half full rather than the glass half empty
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What exactly was this the "first run" of? A smartphone? Definitely not. A smartphone running Android? Not that either. A device with a nvidia Tegra 2 processor? Nope. I'll admit that there are a lot of devices and products that have problems with them at first -- almost all of them actually. This is beyond normal though, and there's no denying that. As far as the court system goes, the whole world is corrupt, get used to it.
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It's the first run of this phone is it not? Yep sure is. I went through these issues with the original iPhone release as well. Since it was the only phone Apple released they were able to focus resources on it solely. LG, like most companies is chasing the $$ and therefore spreading themselves way too thin. I"m not making excuses but it's the reality of it all.
And yep, I know about the corruptness of the system. My brother is a personal injury attorney, I see it all the time.
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I appreciate that. But the bottom line in something like this is, now that a suit has been filed it only leads them to want to drag their feet.
I appreciate the frustration by the lack of communication. I am there as well. But I guess some of us look as the glass half full rather than the glass half empty
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I think you give this more credit than it actually has. LG won't even notice something like this until it makes the run of the legal system waiting periods, response times, etc.
At best, you might see a more controlled response publicly from LG. You might see information dry up on support forums, from LG as they control responses and limit anything that could be used against them. But for development, the biggest hurdle in GB was not bugs on the G2x. As you saw recently, LG released or will soon release 2 GB handsets. This was most likely the biggest hurdle in G2x updates. Having a single LG wide GB story, then customize to individual handset. It makes no sense to think that LG would customize GB for a released handset, prior to insuring the GB release for new handsets was in place.
The day a finalized version of a LG GB os was in place company wide, thats when the porting to G2x, with any fixes, started. The work became integrating the fixes in to the GB update.
Remember, these guys are into making money, not updating for free.
I've read somewhere on this forum about speculation about LG pulling the G2x over marketing concerns in competition with the SEnsation. This does make some sense. LG will never outsell HTC. But in an end of summer market, post Sensation, a GB G2x might make a bigger splash NONE of the signs point to abandonment. Legally they can't do that. But signs do point to repositioning of a product.
I think in the rush to market to be the first Dual Core handset, LG lost, by being first.
just my opinion...
Well, as I just posted at LGs forum, I just want a new sealed updated phone. That's been one of my biggest gripes, I never get a working phone and my end result is a used scratched refurbished one without a matching box? Still with no update to boot. And I'm in WAY better shape than some customers, 'cause I have one that works.....for now.
Patently unfair.
mahgninnuc93 said:
A class action lawsuit is a total and complete waste of time and a mis-use of a system that is already corrupt. Rather than attempt to get your share of $4.30 which is what the end result will be for participants just ride it out and either flash a working ROM or wait for the update.
I KNOW...WE HAVE ALL HEARD THE WHINING AND CRYING BEFORE.....I shouldn't have to flash a custom ROM, It's been since April blah blah blah...Ever heard the saying Buyer Beware. If you purchase the first run of damn near ANYTHING other than food or clothing there will ALMOST always be some type of bug to be worked out. And I don't wanna hear "Well I bought mine in June so it's not first run". IT IS!
Deal with it, grow up and let our courts handle more pressing issues other than your cell phone wont work. Hell, I flashed a custom ROM and then out of the blue am having re-boot issues. Maybe I should call Barry Obama and see if he can get me a replacement.
Have a great day!
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The problem is people's willingness to accept the nonsense. If the consumer doesn't complant about these issues, these companies will just get away with it. I don't know about you, but I am tried of just getting defective phones, I exchange it three times and same problem, then politely ask them for a full refund and was refused, saying all they can do is repair it or exchange it for the same model then wrote a letter to their head corporate offices and haven't heard back. LG don't care, they made their money.
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I knew I held onto my G2X for a reason...
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You don't have to own the phone anymore, you just have to have owned it during the period outlined in complaint. Maybe I'll recoup some of my costs for moving to AT&T.
This is great news.
My view is a bit different. There are defects about a phone I can deal with (ie. backlight bleeding, gps/wifi) but when a phone can't operate as a phone, that draws the line.
The random reboots are the most annoying thing, and some of which don't ever reboot (requires a battery pull to get it working again).
This purchase has given me a very sour taste in my mouth for not only LG and their future products but also T-mobile's sub-par involvement in assisting customers.
I'm beyond the point of going to another carrier, since plans like the one I'm on no longer exist for this price. So unless T-mobile pulls through, I'll say screw the cell-phone market altogether.
Ok so we all know LG and Nvidia is not providing drivers for our phone...
Hence partially complete ICS roms with no camera or video....
Why dont we petition LG and Nvidia to release these drivers or release ICS for the G2x... If enough of us come together we might be able to get this done???
Ive seen some posts about a 2nd quarter release for ICS for the p990 and then waiting for a port of that for the p999 but it sounds like speculation...
lets see what the collective minds of XDA have to say about this....
MODERATOR PLEASE STEP IN FOR ONCE combine this thread with the two others that we already have, pertaining to the "petition" matter...
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MODERATOR PLEASE STEP IN FOR ONCE combine this thread with the two others that we already have, pertaining to the "petition" matter...
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+1 also the search button works awesome, should try it sometime..
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Ok so we all know LG and Nvidia is not providing drivers for our phone...
Hence partially complete ICS roms with no camera or video....
Why dont we petition LG and Nvidia to release these drivers or release ICS for the G2x... If enough of us come together we might be able to get this done???
Ive seen some posts about a 2nd quarter release for ICS for the p990 and then waiting for a port of that for the p999 but it sounds like speculation...
lets see what the collective minds of XDA have to say about this....
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Been done many times.
These threads are getting annoying. Go complain on Facebook or something similar.
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These threads are getting annoying. Go complain on Facebook or something similar.
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I've been emailing LG customer service every day since I started my thread.
Personally I think you guys drastically overrate how much they care what you post on their Facebook and twitter
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I've been emailing LG customer service every day since I started my thread.
Personally I think you guys drastically overrate how much they care what you post on their Facebook and twitter
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LG has NO CONTROL whatsoever of what Nvidia does or doesn't do.
If you're going to bother anyone, bother Nvidia. Be smart, do some research, and stop wasting LG's time with what they can't do.
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LG has NO CONTROL whatsoever of what Nvidia does or doesn't do.
If you're going to bother anyone, bother Nvidia. Be smart, do some research, and stop wasting LG's time with what they can't do.
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Nvidia says it would be LG who would release HAL and told LG that they shouldn't. Nvidia will provide HAL to LG.
Its a hard no from nvidia. LG has the HAL and the right to release it.
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Nvidia says it would be LG who would release HAL and told LG that they shouldn't. Nvidia will provide HAL to LG.
Its a hard no from nvidia. LG has the HAL and the right to release it.
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Either way, we're not getting the drivers. Haha
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Nvidia says it would be LG who would release HAL and told LG that they shouldn't. Nvidia will provide HAL to LG.
Its a hard no from nvidia. LG has the HAL and the right to release it.
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This may be True, but Nvidia has to get the drivers to LG before they can get them to us.
WE WONT GET THEM STFU ALREADY.
If you want full ICS, buy a phone running it. If you can't afford it/dont want it, beggars can't be choosers. Srs.
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This is the problem with people now these days. You people just allow THE MAN to f*ck and you guys just bend down and take it. Fight for your rights and as a consumer you deserve to have support of a product at least for a miserable year. The people just accepting the fact that we won't get ics are the same ones that will allow banks and government to manipulate and decide what's going to happen to them. This is a great example of what's wrong with this world now these days. You guys get ****ted on by people with power and you guys gladly bathe in it. Its amazing. I support what this guy is doing but nothing will change until all you conformist decide to join in numbers and take actions. You people are sickening.
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That may very well be the case, but we can't do anything until LG doesn't make on theie word! They have publicly come out and said they plan on proving the update to these phones and I quote: "Optimus 2X, the Optimus Black, the Optimus 3D and the Optimus LTE." They have mentioned the Optimus 2X series in a post before, but I cannot find nor do I choose to do the searching for all of you. I did find this before and it has been posted before.
https://www.facebook.com/notes/lg-m...40-ice-cream-sandwich-upgrade/316431148368212
I have also commented on one their post on Facebook and they relied to me saying they "plan on releasing an ICS update to the G2X sometime in the 2nd quarter" I have posted the screenshot somewhere on these forums of the statement they said to me.
Basically take a chill pill and try to not let the phone community make you sick to your stomach, and if you want, keep posting things on here that make me laugh.
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This is the problem with people now these days. You people just allow THE MAN to f*ck and you guys just bend down and take it. Fight for your rights and as a consumer you deserve to have support of a product at least for a miserable year. The people just accepting the fact that we won't get ics are the same ones that will allow banks and government to manipulate and decide what's going to happen to them. This is a great example of what's wrong with this world now these days. You guys get ****ted on by people with power and you guys gladly bathe in it. Its amazing. I support what this guy is doing but nothing will change until all you conformist decide to join in numbers and take actions. You people are sickening.
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You bought a phone, by buying that phone lg and nvidia promises to update it and keep it functional. Last i checked they did this. It was updated from Froyo to gb and using a stock gb ROM everything works. Stop demanding **** from these companies.
If you buy a cake and you like it, do you demand that the chef give you his recipe!?
If you buy a car do you demand that they give you a new engine every 6 months so that your car is as good as the new ones???
The phone works fine on gb, and aside from looks, ics adds very little at this point. Stop *****ing, they don't owe you anything!
if you ask me, they don't need to update any further, but it looks like they will. Yes, for NO EXTRA MONETARY GAIN a company will put time and effort into making a product (which is now past its scheduled EOL) better than it was ever meant to be.
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This is the problem with people now these days. You people just allow THE MAN to f*ck and you guys just bend down and take it. Fight for your rights and as a consumer you deserve to have support of a product at least for a miserable year. The people just accepting the fact that we won't get ics are the same ones that will allow banks and government to manipulate and decide what's going to happen to them. This is a great example of what's wrong with this world now these days. You guys get ****ted on by people with power and you guys gladly bathe in it. Its amazing. I support what this guy is doing but nothing will change until all you conformist decide to join in numbers and take actions. You people are sickening.
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On the contrary, it's people like you that think everything is worth blowing up over that's sickening.
I hardly doubt that not caring about some f'in phone software, that the company has every right not to release, has anything to do with people letting the government do anything.
It's an issue that probably less than 1% of the phones owners care about. If it bothered you so much you should have exercised your consumer rights and returned the phone immediately and got something else. That would have shown LG/NVIDIA you mean business.
Stop the hyperbole please.
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Klathmon said:
You bought a phone, by buying that phone lg and nvidia promises to update it and keep it functional. Last i checked they did this. It was updated from Froyo to gb and using a stock gb ROM everything works. Stop demanding **** from these companies.
If you buy a cake and you like it, do you demand that the chef give you his recipe!?
If you buy a car do you demand that they give you a new engine every 6 months so that your car is as good as the new ones???
The phone works fine on gb, and aside from looks, ics adds very little at this point. Stop *****ing, they don't owe you anything!
if you ask me, they don't need to update any further, but it looks like they will. Yes, for NO EXTRA MONETARY GAIN a company will put time and effort into making a product (which is now past its scheduled EOL) better than it was ever meant to be.
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From the G2x User Manual under Phone Software Update.
NOTE: LG reserves the right to make firmware
updates available only for selective models at its own
discretion and does not guarantee the availability
of the newer version of the firmware for all handset
models.
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You bought a phone, by buying that phone lg and nvidia promises to update it and keep it functional. Last i checked they did this. It was updated from Froyo to gb and using a stock gb ROM everything works. Stop demanding **** from these companies.
If you buy a cake and you like it, do you demand that the chef give you his recipe!?
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Did you miss this being open source? Or what open source is about?
In your analogy it would be a community recipe. And it would be like a chef not letting people in on his input.
The whole point is growth through the community. LG views the open source community as a burden instead of utilizing us as an asset.
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Did you miss this being open source? Or what open source is about?
In your analogy it would be a community recipe. And it would be like a chef not letting people in on his input.
The whole point is growth through the community. LG views the open source community as a burden instead of utilizing us as an asset.
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Android is open source, not the drivers for tegra 2, nor any modifications that nvidia or lg made to it.
Nvidia has released everything they were required to, as did lg.
As for everything else, they have every right to keep those to themselves.
It's not just my opinion, it's googles.
And to your last part, yes they do see open source as bad for them, (and partly they should). They spent lots of time and money developing this phone, and it's bad for business if someone can just take it all and give it away for free.
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Android is open source, not the drivers for tegra 2, nor any modifications that nvidia or lg made to it.
Nvidia has released everything they were required to, as did lg.
As for everything else, they have every right to keep those to themselves.
It's not just my opinion, it's googles.
And to your last part, yes they do see open source as bad for them, (and partly they should). They spent lots of time and money developing this phone, and it's bad for business if someone can just take it all and give it away for free.
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If the HAL took a single line from aosp to make they are violating open source agreements by not releasing it.
Beyond that if it shares no code they are still violating the spirit of open source by not sharing. They recieve the benifit of open source with every device they sell. They are supposed to contribute back. At least provide what's needed to make your hardware work.
They found a loophole to be able to keep benifiting from others code but keep what they make proprietary. Way back when these leechers would be blackballed.
I went to the microsoft store and traded in my mytouch 3G for a new samsung focus s, screw LG.
Using gingerbread is like going back to old windows. Using ICS on G2X is like using windows 7 without graphics driver. Time for a proper ICS device.
http://www.gsmarena.com/lg_optimus_2x_ics_update_gets_pushed_back_to_q3-news-4233.php
looks like we have to wait even longer
Fuuuuuuuuuuu-
Considering how much trouble they're having with Gingerbread a year in, this is probably a good thing.
Chinese281 said:
http://www.gsmarena.com/lg_optimus_2x_ics_update_gets_pushed_back_to_q3-news-4233.php
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:-(
Those earlier posts with LG reps,etc was indicating this.
Thanks for sharing, though.
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Late is better than never I suppose.
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LG should commit Seppuku
LG's executives should commit Seppuku by jūmonji giri ( 十文字切り ) because of their (LG's) dishonourable conduct. It's the honourable thing for them to do.
Core Memory said:
LG's executives should commit Seppuku by jūmonji giri ( 十文字切り ) because of their (LG's) dishonourable conduct. It's the honourable thing for them to do.
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LG is Korean, not Japanese.
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I would rather the delay than a half ass working version. I will gladly wait a little longer for something that actually works
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I would rather the delay than a half ass working version. I will gladly wait a little longer for something that actually works
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Well if it was half-ass in some respects... we could still just vulture the pieces WE need out...
Right?
Who cares about our O2x brethren!...
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LG's executives should commit Seppuku by jūmonji giri ( 十文字切り ) because of their (LG's) dishonourable conduct. It's the honourable thing for them to do.
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That's a tad dramatic. I would hate to see what you do if someone cut you off in traffic. Off with their heads?
Most folks have moved on through the grief cycle by now. An official release of ICS will probably not happen. I am not sure why everyone keeps freaking out over it.
No offense Core, but that can not be good for your blood pressure.
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That's a tad dramatic. I would hate to see what you do if someone cut you off in traffic. Off with their heads?
Most folks have moved on through the grief cycle by now. An official release of ICS will probably not happen. I am not sure why everyone keeps freaking out over it.
No offense Core, but that can not be good for your blood pressure.
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oooorrrr its a joke and a pretty good one.
ICS: Q3 2185
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LG has our money already, why the f*$k would they care for us?
They have a massive amount of blind followers who don't mind the wait or don't know what's better for them. You think the small # of people who are angered out-weigh the blind? I think not.
True but if they saw any of the threads or the Facebook posts that are made they would smarten up, their Facebook page has a mass amount of people saying they will never buy an LG product as in no appliances either. I know a whole mess of xda users that aren't even just the g2x or its variants wont purchase again. I've stopped a few people from getting a g2x and other LG androids, cause they had no interest in rooting or modifying the phone. This phone stock, is not at all good enough for any one who depends on their phone. I'm sure the numbers from 2010 -2012 will show some decline.
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LG has our money already, why the f*$k would they care for us?
They have a massive amount of blind followers who don't mind the wait or don't know what's better for them. You think the small # of people who are angered out-weigh the blind? I think not.
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Do they? I mean Apple yea sure, but when's the last time someone has been head over heals for an LG phone? Let alone two people.
mt3g said:
True but if they saw any of the threads or the Facebook posts that are made they would smarten up, their Facebook page has a mass amount of people saying they will never buy an LG product as in no appliances either. I know a whole mess of xda users that aren't even just the g2x or its variants wont purchase again. I've stopped a few people from getting a g2x and other LG androids, cause they had no interest in rooting or modifying the phone. This phone stock, is not at all good enough for any one who depends on their phone. I'm sure the numbers from 2010 -2012 will show some decline.
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redmonke255 said:
Do they? I mean Apple yea sure, but when's the last time someone has been head over heals for an LG phone? Let alone two people.
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From just looking at #'s from IDC, Samsung has dropped in popularity with respects to their sales figures:
Apple Passes LG for 3rd. The fact that LG still beats out HTC. 88.1 Million overall units sold (across their whole product line) is still a LOT.
Last LG phone I ever buy. Hello, Galaxy SIII...
me too even if i love my rooted phone with the genesis rom, the services is slow as snail for upgrading and i'm not surprised that when it comes out in Q3, my rom gonna kick the ass of the ICS update for sure...
Chinese281 said:
http://www.gsmarena.com/lg_optimus_2x_ics_update_gets_pushed_back_to_q3-news-4233.php
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They (LG) doesn't think enough of us to hate us...
The same **** they did to the g2x but with less handsets http://www.androidauthority.com/nex...focusing-smartphones-nexus-5-included-146707/
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The same **** they did to the g2x but with less handsets http://www.androidauthority.com/nex...focusing-smartphones-nexus-5-included-146707/
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If the rumors are true, it wouldn't be a shocker at all. I've lost all faith in LG and Google at this point.
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If the rumors are true, it wouldn't be a shocker at all. I've lost all faith in LG and Google at this point.
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How did you keep the faith after their botnet browser?
projectzro said:
The same **** they did to the g2x but with less handsets http://www.androidauthority.com/nex...focusing-smartphones-nexus-5-included-146707/
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A Nexus 5 is not happening at mwc mainly because all nexus phones are released around new os releases. Key lime is not going to come out until June with Google's i/o conference. So if Google was to drop a new nexus phone it won't be until then. Unless we are going to be looking at an updated tablet instead of a phone which is very possible. So I doubt they are going to drop the Nexus 4. The Nexus devices have never been hot sellers when they've been released. The 4 had an unexpected response from consumers and that is probably why they didn't plan for higher production of these phones
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This saddens me. My G2X is on it's last legs (Broken digitizer, headphone port malfunctioning). I was hoping to get the Nexus 4.. The last time it was available in Canada, it sold out while I was in school. I do hope that this article is false so that I can get a Nexus phone before my G2X dies.
False rumor. I don't see how anyone could believe that.
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False rumor. I don't see how anyone could believe that.
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Probably because Google already said the Nexus 4 shortage was due to LG not producing enough product to keep up with demand? http://venturebeat.com/2012/12/17/google-nexus-4-shortage-apology/ So my guess is if LG can't manage to keep the Nexus 4 in demand they can say goodbye to being a Nexus authorized manufacturer in the future.
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Probably because Google already said the Nexus 4 shortage was due to LG not producing enough product to keep up with demand? http://venturebeat.com/2012/12/17/google-nexus-4-shortage-apology/ So my guess is if LG can't manage to keep the Nexus 4 in demand they can say goodbye to being a Nexus authorized manufacturer in the future.
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LG should be disqualified from ever producing another Android OS phone, make that any phone.
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LG should be disqualified from ever producing another Android OS phone, make that any phone.
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Why? Because they didn't expect such a large reception for there new phone? You do know that they are producing other phones as well right? They can't just halt production of there other phones for the Nexus 4. It takes a lot of coordination to get these phones to be even produced. It's not like they just press a button and it's made. You don't know the challenge on the back end of product manufacturing. They made a product that they were unprepared for since previous nexus devices never sold as well. So stop acting like they don't want to take your money
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Why? Because they didn't expect such a large reception for there new phone? You do know that they are producing other phones as well right? They can't just halt production of there other phones for the Nexus 4. It takes a lot of coordination to get these phones to be even produced. It's not like they just press a button and it's made. You don't know the challenge on the back end of product manufacturing. They made a product that they were unprepared for since previous nexus devices never sold as well. So stop acting like they don't want to take your money
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It isn't just about the Noxious 4. LG appears to be unprepared for anything related to the phones it produces, especially support. You obviously haven't read enough about the multitudinous variety of complaints about LG, especially in the O2X, G2X and other LG phone forums on XDA and elsewhere. Being an apologist for LG doesn't get any sympathy or respect.
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Probably because Google already said the Nexus 4 shortage was due to LG not producing enough product to keep up with demand? http://venturebeat.com/2012/12/17/google-nexus-4-shortage-apology/ So my guess is if LG can't manage to keep the Nexus 4 in demand they can say goodbye to being a Nexus authorized manufacturer in the future.
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LG is not producing enough because Google underestimated the demand for the phone. Google is the one to blame here. Read the nexus 4 forum here at XDA. LG's production capacity has growing.
Furthermore, why would the production be stopped? There's a huge demand for a product. The stupidest thing would be to stop production..
Did anyone read the original story where this came from? No where does it say that nexus 4 production is stopped or discontinued...
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LG is not producing enough because Google underestimated the demand for the phone. Google is the one to blame here. Read the nexus 4 forum here at XDA. LG's production capacity has growing.
Furthermore, why would the production be stopped? There's a huge demand for a product. The stupidest thing would be to stop production..
Did anyone read the original story where this came from? No where does it say that nexus 4 production is stopped or discontinued...
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Nexus phones are available unlocked and cost much less than similar capability phones and are gauranteed Android OS updates for a minimum of 18 months and receive those updates before other phones. So, why would LG limit production? To not alienate cell service providers and to not undermine the sale of its higher priced phones.
nightf0x said:
LG is not producing enough because Google underestimated the demand for the phone. Google is the one to blame here. Read the nexus 4 forum here at XDA. LG's production capacity has growing.
Furthermore, why would the production be stopped? There's a huge demand for a product. The stupidest thing would be to stop production..
Did anyone read the original story where this came from? No where does it say that nexus 4 production is stopped or discontinued...
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Yeah, you must be right, because I have seen LG refute this claim... oh wait.
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Nexus phones are available unlocked and cost much less than similar capability phones and are gauranteed Android OS updates for a minimum of 18 months and receive those updates before other phones. So, why would LG limit production? To not alienate cell service providers and to not undermine the sale of its higher priced phones.
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Can you show me where original source confirms this [LG limiting production]?
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Can you show me where original source confirms this [LG limiting production]?
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The same source you got your information from.
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The same source you got your information from.
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So no source is a source then? Since you don't know anything you must know everything right? Also the only phone LG is having problems with in the cell phone community is the G2x/o2x. The reason most developers say it's a problem is the Nvidia chipset. The reason people complain about the Tegra 2 platform is its lack of open source drivers and its sloppy hardware. Pretty much every issue we have are the same issues Atrix users are having. Considering how well LG's other phones are working you really have to blame Nvidia for this problem. They made the terrible hardware here and did a crappy job coding. So please learn about this stuff before posting. I'm sure you annoy a lot of dev's with all your posts.
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The same source you got your information from.
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From LG at CES:
“Through our collaboration with Google, we launched the LG Nexus 4 smartphone. This is the first of many devices to come from our growing partnership with this very selective company.”
Please explain how that shows that LG is limiting/halting production?
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From LG at CES:
“Through our collaboration with Google, we launched the LG Nexus 4 smartphone. This is the first of many devices to come from our growing partnership with this very selective company.”
Please explain how that shows that LG is limiting/halting production?
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If you read my post you will realize I was answering your question about why LG would limit or halt production of the Nexus/Noxious 4. An answer isn't a committment one way or another, it is just an answer to a question, yours. No one can definitively state what LG will or won't do. The G2x is an example of how untrustworthy LG is so why wouldn't it be with the Nexus/Noxious 4 too? The G2X was LG's "flags**t" phone not long ago, now it is in LG's trashbin. Whey wouldn't that happen to the Nexus/Noxious 4 or any other LG "flags**t" phone. Do you own a Nexus/Noxious 4? If not, why are you so emotionally committed to it? If you do own a Nexus/Noxious 4, post in the Nexus/Noxious 4 forum, not in the G2X one unless it's in the G2x Off Topic thread.
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psychoace said:
So no source is a source then? Since you don't know anything you must know everything right? Also the only phone LG is having problems with in the cell phone community is the G2x/o2x. The reason most developers say it's a problem is the Nvidia chipset. The reason people complain about the Tegra 2 platform is its lack of open source drivers and its sloppy hardware. Pretty much every issue we have are the same issues Atrix users are having. Considering how well LG's other phones are working you really have to blame Nvidia for this problem. They made the terrible hardware here and did a crappy job coding. So please learn about this stuff before posting. I'm sure you annoy a lot of dev's with all your posts.
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You obviously haven't been reading much of the posts on the the G2X forum, if you had, you would have realized that I and others have already stated, many times, what you just have and, BTW, I am one of the few left who is actually helping to get ICS/JB/CM10.1 running on the G2X. If I annoy a developer, their psyche is overly sensitive, like yours.
Core Memory said:
You obviously haven't been reading much of the posts on the the G2X forum, if you had, you would have realized that I and others have already stated, many times, what you just have and, BTW, I am one of the few left who is actually helping to get ICS/JB/CM10.1 running on the G2X. If I annoy a developer, their psyche is overly sensitive, like yours.
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Obviously I haven't been reading much yet I stated everything you and the dev's have been saying about the G2x? yeah that makes sense. That's for acknowledging that I'm right
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Obviously I haven't been reading much yet I stated everything you and the dev's have been saying about the G2x? yeah that makes sense. That's for acknowledging that I'm right
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You're right with the criticism of what's wrong with the phone but not of me. So you're right and wrong.