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Just thought I would dive in and drop a link for anyone that is yet to comment..
And yes, it does belong in the dev section
http://www.facebook.com/notes/htc/update-on-bootloaders/10150305151453084
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LeeDroid said:
Just thought I would dive in and drop a link for anyone that is yet to comment..
And yes, it does belong in the dev section
http://www.facebook.com/notes/htc/update-on-bootloaders/10150305151453084
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SO what does this imply
If they lock them down.. its the end of custom roms and kernels on HTC devices
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the facebook post is so generic, and definitely unconvincing
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If they lock them down.. its the end of custom roms and kernels on HTC devices
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But isn't that what expert dev's like your self do....find ways to unlock things Isn't everything hackable eventually.....!!!
At least they didn't say [email protected]%k you to us like MOTO did
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If the boot loader gets locked its not impossible to flash custom roms. I'm sure the DEVs here can find a work around. I came from a Sony X10 and the boot loader is locked on that device. The DEV's in the X10 forum were able to get a working CWM to flash different rom's, themes, etc. It would be challenging, but very doable..
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But isn't that what expert dev's like your self do....find ways to unlock things Isn't everything hackable eventually.....!!!
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Well the public key encryption used for signing can be theoretically broken but it takes centuries of brute force. More likely, someone will find a way to bypass the signature checking in the hardware somehow. You only have to flip one bit to make a "if x ..." turn into a "if not x ...", you just have to find the right place and a way to flip it.
It definitely puts a downer on devs willing to work with the phone...
Definitely something they should leave alone. Although HTC clearly knows how to make great mobile devices (in contrast to Samsung, for instance; Sense is light years better than that RFS Touchwiz crap) it's not smart to try to shackle the Android dev community. They will loose market share if they lock the bootloaders.
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HTC already locks the bootloaders on all their devices but this is referring to HTC reviewing if they are going to start unlocking them again or not
Ah, kinda what I thought till I read this post. So, I'll say that it would be better for them to unlock bootloaders.
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HTC already locks the bootloaders on all their devices but this is referring to HTC reviewing if they are going to start unlocking them again or not
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When I saw this on android central it seemed to imply to opposite. In response to outcries over the locked bootloaders on the EVO 3D they were considering unlocked them.
http://www.androidcentral.com/htc-were-reviewing-our-bootloader-policy
HTC's statement:
"Thanks so much for providing feedback, we hear your concerns. Your satisfaction is a top priority for us and we're working hard to ensure you have great experiences with our phones. We're reviewing the issue and our policy around bootloaders and will provide more information soon. Thank you for your interest, support and willingness to share your feedback."
I figure if from now on if all phones are locked down...I'll just stick with what I have so I can keep modding them.
So far the Inspire has been a great phone and my Streak is definately in great shape.
Soon as DJ Steve ports over Honeycomb for the Streak 5...it'll be as good as any out there on the market. Maybe not as fast, but will do the job.
that's what i was thinkin i might just get off the train at the inspire and be done with it
Lol at the third comment. "What are boot loaders!" Lol
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There must be pressure from the 3rd party software contributors to ensure their product is forced on and STAYS on the phone.. I can see no reason else for the locked bootloader.. HTC's are extremely difficult to perm-brick, and with RUU's available they are easily fixable.. If they where open about it, put some damned documentation with it and a failsafe return method, they wouldnt have to worry about warranty issues, and even if it did it MUST be a more expensive proposition to create or license a method of locking the bootloader that wont be defeated in 10 minutes.. not to mention the hit they would take on revenue even if it is only around 2-5%...
I guess its all about the advertising dollars and who pays who..
sickening really..
Hail the AOSP builds...
Cell providers don't want me/you deleting their apps or enabling features on your/my device without paying...tethering for example. It's a numbers game and to them its just business.
They care less about battery life, they want you to buy aftermarket batts from them. they want you/me to pay for every kb/mb/gb we use.
That's the bottom line.
Aside from all that...they don't want it getting out just how crappy their product is. Unless your Motorola.
???
Not sure what this post is suppose to prove. The statement by HTC only states they are looking into the situation concerning the bootloader policy, but doesn't specify what their intentions are. A generic statement at best. For all we know, this could be just another Fakebook post. Until I hear or see an official statement, I'm taking this with a grain of salt.
BTW, I've seen no posts on my Facebook by HTC about this...just sayin...
if they start locking down the bootloaders i WILL go to samsung, as much as i love htc
I wanna put Ics on my phone but I don't wanna root it, what the best rom available for no root?
Also i'm waiting for the ota version so I need to know how can I go back to gingerbread when the ota comes out?
Thank you
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I wanna put Ics on my phone but I don't wanna root it, what the best rom available for no root?
Also i'm waiting for the ota version so I need to know how can I go back to gingerbread when the ota comes out?
Thank you
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Take this to General. btw why would you buy a nexus if you weren't going to root it?
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first off wrong section , secondly ... you cant flash any rom without rooting ur phone so if u want ics without root ur gonna have to wait for an official release
Just wait for the ota. Most roms come with superuser
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I'm afraid I'm gonna brick it
I still have 7 months till my next upgrade
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Not much experience with rooting
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Not much experience with rooting
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1167819
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Take this to General. btw why would you buy a nexus if you weren't going to root it?
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Because it is stock android, which means no BS and for most people that is enough.
@elias, the only option you have if you want ICS and don't want to root is to wait for the official OTA which should be rolling out soon. Once you have ICS from the OTA you won't be able to roll back to GB without rooting (someone correct me if I'm wrong on this one)
True
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I wanna put Ics on my phone but I don't wanna root it, what the best rom available for no root?
Also i'm waiting for the ota version so I need to know how can I go back to gingerbread when the ota comes out?
Thank you
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Use ODINE. PM your email and I'll get you the file you need, but remember it's your responsibility..
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Use ODINE. PM your email and I'll get you the file you need, but remember it's your responsibility..
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Yup you can Odin whatever vhgomez shares with you
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Because it is stock android, which means no BS and for most people that is enough.
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Thanks for clearing that up:thumbup:
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If you can follow simple, well written instructions you can reap the many benefits of a rooted phone. Btw... you know this is not even close to develeopement, why would you post a question here?
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Thanks for clearing that up:thumbup:
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Sure, I guess spending too much time on these forms makes some people complacent and forget that not everyone is a power user.
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Sure, I guess spending too much time on these forms makes some people complacent and forget that not everyone is a power user.
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I think that has very little to do with being a power user. NeXus phones have always been developer based phones made to mod, root, and hack. People that buy these phones, for the most part, buy them because of that and not because they want a vanilla android experience. Of course there are roms out that can get you close to that but I would venture to guess that if you took a pole of neXus users 99% of them want a custom experience, not a vanilla one. So for me to ask why someone would buy a Nexus and not root it is probably a question that a lot of people would be interested in. And nice side ways attempt at a jab with the comment about people spending to much time here. People that are here enjoy their time here. Enjoy learning. Enjoy modding, rooting, hacking. But I don't expect some one with a stock development phone to understand that. You have your hobbies we have ours.
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zeeraf said:
you cant flash any rom without rooting ur phone so if u want ics without root ur gonna have to wait for an official release
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Also, the guides are written very well, so bricking should not be a concern.
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/snip. But I don't expect some one with a stock development phone to understand that. You have your hobbies we have ours.
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oh snap!
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I think that has very little to do with being a power user. NeXus phones have always been developer based phones made to mod, root, and hack. People that buy these phones, for the most part, buy them because of that and not because they want a vanilla android experience. Of course there are roms out that can get you close to that but I would venture to guess that if you took a pole of neXus users 99% of them want a custom experience, not a vanilla one. So for me to ask why someone would buy a Nexus and not root it is probably a question that a lot of people would be interested in. And nice side ways attempt at a jab with the comment about people spending to much time here. People that are here enjoy their time here. Enjoy learning. Enjoy modding, rooting, hacking. But I don't expect some one with a stock development phone to understand that. You have your hobbies we have ours. There is no way that 99% of people with a Nexus S have it for hacking. I have yet to meet one the wild that has been used that way.
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That is definitely why some people choose a Nexus devices, but there is also a large amount of people who choose them for "quick" updates and a stock experience. It is the only way to achieve those things. Some people probably also choose the Nexus S because it is a really nice, smaller handset with an awesome screen.
Don't forget, some people got them because best buy was giving them away for free.
Not me, although I did get mine for free, I got mine for "fastboot OEM unlock".
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That is definitely why some people choose a Nexus devices, but there is also a large amount of people who choose them for "quick" updates and a stock experience. It is the only way to achieve those things. Some people probably also choose the Nexus S because it is a really nice, smaller handset with an awesome screen.
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As others have said, this was the wrong section for this, but I will not harp on that.
I also want to apologize for a very poor showing from our community. Sometimes this forum is an embarrassment, especially in juxtaposition to other Linux communities. There are a good deal of very arrogant people here, who just cant seem to help jumping all over the new guy. Im surprised no one called you a noob.
With all of that said, I want to agree with your posting above. Speaking as a system admin for a mid-sized company, your reasoning for owning this phone is the exact reason why it has been handed out to every employee here.
Now on to your question. Because of the age of our phone, the development community behind it is very mature. Not the users, but the tools. It is very hard to brick your phone, in fact you might say you would have to go out of your way to truly brick the device. You might get a soft brick, but even that is hard to do and is still easily fixed via ODIN.
As others have said, there are very easy to follow instructions on unlocking and rooting this device. These are not really hacks, as this phone was meant to have these things done to it. I do understand the hesitation, though after the first time you go though doing it, you will wonder what you were so scared of in the first place. You can always give this thread a try, http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1250583&highlight=one+click+root
to make things easy on yourself. After you get it rooted, familiarize yourself with making a NAND backup in the custom recovery first thing. This is basically an image backup of your device allowing you to jump back to safety should you do something wrong during a custom rom install.
Here is the way I look at it. If you have your phone rooted with a custom rom and it breaks and you need to return it for some reason, then ODIN will flash you back to stock and you'll have no worries about returning it to Sprint. If you some how destroy your phone to the point where not even ODIN will have access to fix it(AKA your phone goes swimming), then Sprint will not have access to the device either and will have no clue you rooted it. What some of these knuckleheads are poorly trying to get across to you, is that the phone you own, wants to be rooted.
Good luck and welcome to the community.
okay so by now I have learned that it might not just be htcs fault but is most likely atts fault that were not getting the unlocked boot loader or the proper sources to be released
Why is att doing this? There's nothing positive for them or HTC in doing this
Is there anything we can do, does any one have connections with people in bigger companies that make this very public and sound like the huge issue that it is
Is there any else that we can do besides for that?
I think it would just be a good idea to brainstorm on wht to do to fix this dilemma
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Vote with your dollars cancel service and tell them why.
Source has been released except for the most recent updates. Those will be released eventually.
I doubt AT&T is going to budge on the locked bootloader because the number of people who really care probably represent about 1% of their HOX customers.
If you're intent on pushing, the place to start would be making a stink on AT&T's social media pages.
Besides... we have unlocked bootloaders and root I'd love to go to Corporate AT&T and get to the guy who decides this stuff and show them my phone and tell them they can't stop us. There's ways around everything.
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Well, if you have the money to start a class action against them, sure.
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Well, if you have the money to start a class action against them, sure.
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Doesn't the AT&T contract say you can't sue them?
I think you can still take them to small court which is limited to a few thousand dollars.
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Besides... we have unlocked bootloaders and root I'd love to go to Corporate AT&T and get to the guy who decides this stuff and show them my phone and tell them they can't stop us. There's ways around everything.
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I'd probably just punch him in the Face
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If you guys really want to try, just go to small claims courts claiming that you were convinced that you had the ability to unlock the bootloader, and use Peter Chou's statement on unlocking bootloaders as evidence, and then say that you couldn't unlock it. If you lose, nothing happens to you. If you win, and a lot of other people win, AT&T is going to be bleeding money.
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Doesn't the AT&T contract say you can't sue them?
I think you can still take them to small court which is limited to a few thousand dollars.
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I've never seen anything saying you couldn't sue AT&T. A Class action would be there to reverse their grip on a handset, which is HTC's flagship in North America (and arguably, the best phone out right now). It hurts devs more than anything.
tony_5309 said:
Besides... we have unlocked bootloaders and root I'd love to go to Corporate AT&T and get to the guy who decides this stuff and show them my phone and tell them they can't stop us. There's ways around everything.
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We might, but anyone that is getting this phone now with the new update is screwed for a while. And it's not fair that they have to wait just because these companies are being dumb.
I suggest we all get on a bus, go to Houston where AT&T is based and just drop our pants and leave them something at their front entrance....
Just kidding...
Buy samsung. Let htc go bankrupt!
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Buy samsung. Let htc go bankrupt!
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its not HTC its ATT so that comment really didnt help. ATT wants the locked bootloader on all thier flagship phones. The dont want people to do tethering, and they want to be able to force you to keep that ****ty bloatware for the possible sales they would get from it. its flat out ATT greed that has them keeping the bootloader locked down. Unfortunatly right now HTC doesnt have the pull Samsung does to force ATT hand.
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Unfortunatly right now HTC doesnt have the pull Samsung does to force ATT hand.
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Then they better have the pull because people pay high amount of $ for their device and do not care whether they have the pull or not. Maybe htc should call themselves apple2 since all I read about them is giving devs hard time not releasing sources etc while on their webpage they claim to be dev friendly which is total bull****.
This new software update isn't good. Patching the hboot, no root, no bootloader unlock. We shouldn't expect any new developers developing for this phone. AT&T sealed that deal for us when they release 2.20.
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This new software update isn't good. Patching the hboot, no root, no bootloader unlock. We shouldn't expect any new developers developing for this phone. AT&T sealed that deal for us when they release 2.20.
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yep and the att guy at the store updated my wifes before giving it to her and i asked him why he said they were told they have to do the update on all HTC One X they sell. i returned it and ordered from amazon hoping to get 1.85 on the phone. This was earlier today when she wanted to upgrade to the HOX too.
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We might, but anyone that is getting this phone now with the new update is screwed for a while. And it's not fair that they have to wait just because these companies are being dumb.
I suggest we all get on a bus, go to Houston where AT&T is based and just drop our pants and leave them something at their front entrance....
Just kidding...
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LoL! This is true..
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Now, who's coding the HBoot? It can't be AT&T, can it? I would think it would have to be HTC because no one at AT&T is smart enough to do this...
Edit: As well, just checked HTC's site... the rom is listed for manual download. Perhaps a dev can reverse engineer it?
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Now, who's coding the HBoot? It can't be AT&T, can it? I would think it would have to be HTC because no one at AT&T is smart enough to do this...
Edit: As well, just checked HTC's site... the rom is listed for manual download. Perhaps a dev can reverse engineer it?
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Root will come. The question after that is can CID be changed again or has htc locked it down again? The locked up nature of htc and att is so anti android it makes me sick.
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Root will come. The question after that is can CID be changed again or has htc locked it down again? The locked up nature of htc and att is so anti android it makes me sick.
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Has anyone who's taken the ota and kept root confirmed which partitions are/aren't WP?
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Root will come. The question after that is can CID be changed again or has htc locked it down again? The locked up nature of htc and att is so anti android it makes me sick.
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I hear ya man. ****, I should have got an iPhone. At least I could pester Siri about her hot sister or ask advice on hiding bodies. Even iPhones are having better luck getting unlocked.
Regardless, I do love this phone. Probably the best phone since the Nexus One.
Like you said though, just a matter of time, and, will we have bootloader unlock access? I'm going to be hopeful. For anyone who buys their device with 2.20 loaded, it would really suck to not be able to at least achieve root.
Question, gunny... do you know (assuming one has root and TBU), is there a way to freeze the updates? Is their a system app or process that could be frozen so that OTA's never show again?
So, I bricked my last A2 and had it replaced and the one they gave me is horrific (bunch of issues...). Anyway, I know I have to unroot, they will most certainly detect that. However, What about bootstrap? Do you think they will notice that when they bring it to the back to do their "troubleshooting"? Because I was just planning on unrooting and then uninstalling bootstrap app (incase they know what that is, i know that that wont remove they bootstrap). So, what are your opinions on that?
Fzx back to stock.
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Fzx back to stock.
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Yeah thats never worked out well for me...
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So, I bricked my last A2 and had it replaced and the one they gave me is horrific (bunch of issues...). Anyway, I know I have to unroot, they will most certainly detect that. However, What about bootstrap? Do you think they will notice that when they bring it to the back to do their "troubleshooting"? Because I was just planning on unrooting and then uninstalling bootstrap app (incase they know what that is, i know that that wont remove they bootstrap). So, what are your opinions on that?
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Throw it in a microwave to kill it so it wont turn on.
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matt99017d said:
Throw it in a microwave to kill it so it wont turn on.
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Ever since I bought a Moto phone I feel the need to do that every day
okachowwa said:
Ever since I bought a Moto phone I feel the need to do that every day
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Lol.
Me too.....
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Lol.
Me too.....
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Horrible mistake. Live and Learn...unless youre a sophmore who doesnt have any money and is stuck with it for another year...omg.
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Horrible mistake. Live and Learn...unless youre a sophmore who doesnt have any money and is stuck with it for another year...omg.
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My case lol
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Not sure if I'm completely off topic but don't want to start a new thread either: so does AT&T/Motorola salvage the bricked phones returned/exchanged under warranty? I understand if you microwave it, it's gone for good, but otherwise do they have a way to salvage a phone with hosed bootloader or hard bricking? Will it require special hardware setup to recover these phones? I am sure bricking would be a common phenomena in Moto's lab ...
OMG, just took a look at your sign - okachowwa - your smartphone's histories usage so terrible ...
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OMG, just took a look at your sign - okachowwa - your smartphone's histories usage so terrible ...
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Dude's also only 15, which it states as well, and to cut the kid some slack!
Launched from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I747 Anti-MOTO Ballistic Missile
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OMG, just took a look at your sign - okachowwa - your smartphone's histories usage so terrible ...
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Hey now lol. I try I try. I totally fixed my Captivate...after I bought this AWESOME phone. But I didn't brick this one, it was a bad replacement, and my last one, yeah FXZ confused me so my ignorance overtook my ability to fix it, because I couldnt find the files on the forums (links were down) and flashed wrong ones (live and learn?). But yes, being a sophmore in high school I probably shouldn't being doing this stuff as I don't have any money lol.
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Not sure if I'm completely off topic but don't want to start a new thread either: so does AT&T/Motorola salvage the bricked phones returned/exchanged under warranty? I understand if you microwave it, it's gone for good, but otherwise do they have a way to salvage a phone with hosed bootloader or hard bricking? Will it require special hardware setup to recover these phones? I am sure bricking would be a common phenomena in Moto's lab ...
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Yes, unless the EMMC is corrupted beyond redemption they have special flashing tools to restore phones to a usable condition. Just think about when the phone is made; it is a blank slate. They have to have a way to flash it initially. They can use a similar method to resurrect it if it is not damaged beyond repair.
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Hmmm ... that's exactly is my point; if it is all software, why doesn't it leak like RSDlite? Then users could recover these bricked phones themselves and no need of these warranty calls. It must be some special hardware (to be connected to JTAG?) which even our service centers do not have available. Then we could take our out of warranty phones to them and get it restored for a small fee. Now if I take a bricked phone to them, they change the motherboard and charge ~30% of the phone value.
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Hmmm ... that's exactly is my point; if it is all software, why doesn't it leak like RSDlite? Then users could recover these bricked phones themselves and no need of these warranty calls. It must be some special hardware (to be connected to JTAG?) which even our service centers do not have available. Then we could take our out of warranty phones to them and get it restored for a small fee. Now if I take a bricked phone to them, they change the motherboard and charge ~30% of the phone value.
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That is because there is an efuse that was blown as part of this process, and you can't unblow a fuse/efuse. That is why you are getting new boards. I was at one the AT&T service centers last week and we looked at one of the bricks, and it did throw 2 efuses that I could find. We could connect them to JTAG with the correct connetions, but we could NOT see the phone from the JTAG device/software.
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That is because there is an efuse that was blown as part of this process, and you can't unblow a fuse/efuse. That is why you are getting new boards. I was at one the AT&T service centers last week and we looked at one of the bricks, and it did throw 2 efuses that I could find. We could connect them to JTAG with the correct connetions, but we could NOT see the phone from the JTAG device/software.
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Is it not an inefficient (or dangerous (or suicidal)) design that if you overwrite the bootloader (even by an older version) then a efuse blows somewhere and the motherboard becomes useless. You may refuse to boot if the bootloader isn't trusted but killing the phone in the process sounds too bad to me. Would this happen with phones with unlocked bootloader too?
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Is it not an inefficient (or dangerous (or suicidal)) design that if you overwrite the bootloader (even by an older version) then a efuse blows somewhere and the motherboard becomes useless. You may refuse to boot if the bootloader isn't trusted but killing the phone in the process sounds too bad to me. Would this happen with phones with unlocked bootloader too?
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No, this is a Motorola ONLY thing, as inefficient as it might be. There is no need for anything like is in a unlocked bootloader phone. This happens because these phones are just like iphones in that Motorola does NOT want us "playing" with them, or doing any kind of dev work on them, Moto phones have a HUGE history of being non developer friendly. That is also why certain devs like me find them a challenge and want to "breakthrough" all that.
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No, this is a Motorola ONLY thing, as inefficient as it might be. There is no need for anything like is in a unlocked bootloader phone.
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Well, except their managers we all see how it backfired. It doesn't interfere with people who wants to stay stock, and if it gets bricked doing some dev, they get a warranty call (and maybe they have to swap in 90% cases). Doesn't help anyone.
However I had a Milestone before (why did I buy another Moto afterwards questions my sanity) but even if it had a locked bootloader (and after stock 2.1 no update was given), devs could port froyo and finally CM7 and CM9. I am hoping in spite of the lock, we'll be able to port CM9/10, keeping the kernel same. I am hopeful as LG Thrill 4G, Motorola Droid 3 has CM9 already.
Well I'm offtopic already so don't bother replying
I've been looking around the internet and I see no progress on s-off. It looks like the one x is close but why is no one willing to work on s-off for our one s. I've heard talk of piggybacking off the one x s-off solution but that is getting us no where. If I had the ability and know how that's what I'd be doing so can't one of our few dev's stop making ROMs and make some real progress on this. I have a lot of respect for our developers don't get me wrong but why not work on something that'll make a big change. That's the way I see it and I figured maybe by sharing my thoughts and people getting on board we can get something done on this phone. I'm tired of having to flash boot.img's in fastboot and I'm sure others with higher hboots are sick of it too. Its a big inconvenience for people who are not always home and downloaded the latest ROM over WiFi. Doesn't s-off make it easier for the devs so why not?
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tylerjholmgren said:
I've been looking around the internet and I see no progress on s-off. It looks like the one x is close but why is no one willing to work on s-off for our one s. I've heard talk of piggybacking off the one x s-off solution but that is getting us no where. If I had the ability and know how that's what I'd be doing so can't one of our few dev's stop making ROMs and make some real progress on this. You can constantly update ROMs and never be done so why doesn't somebody just finish something for once and get us s-off. I have a lot of respect for our developers don't get me wrong but why not work on something that'll make a difference instead of continually adding changes to your ROMs from cm. That's the way I see it and I figured maybe by sharing my thoughts and people getting on board we can get something done on this phone. I'm sick of having to flash boot.img's in fastboot and I'm sure others with higher hboots are sick of it too its a big inconvenience for people who are not always home and downloaded the latest ROM over WiFi.
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Wow, show some respect to the developers. They are not you lackies, and just because they make roms doesn't mean they can magically create S-Off. Oh, and just because they don't publish a progress report doesn't mean that there are not devs working on it.
I'm sorry I went too far there And I deserved it but a progress update would be nice don't you wanna know where were at?
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Vain III said:
Wow, show some respect to the developers. They are not you lackies, and just because they make roms doesn't mean they can magically create S-Off. Oh, and just because they don't publish a progress report doesn't mean that there are not devs working on it.
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You should have seen how feisty people got in the Amaze forums a while back hahaha.
We're never going to get s-off. Not enough developers. It's hard work. Don't complain, at least we HAVE developers working for our device.
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We're never going to get s-off. Not enough developers. It's hard work. Don't complain, at least we HAVE developers working for our device.
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What I was saying was if some of our dev's took time off making ROMs they might be able to get us s-off. Go look at one x forums and it'll make you a little mad....
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stratax said:
You should have seen how feisty people got in the Amaze forums a while back hahaha.
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That forum was crazy...
And there's a HUGE difference between a rom developer and someone who could actually get S-off on a device. Not many people can do it.
Technically, ROM makers are considered "chefs" and being a developer is actually more work isn't it?
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We're never going to get s-off. Not enough developers. It's hard work. Don't complain, at least we HAVE developers working for our device.
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There were even less developers on the Amaze yet they achieved it.. took a while, but it happened. I remember checking the bounty thread like everyday lol. Same exact thing for the mytouch 3g slide, there were even less than the amaze back in the day. they achieved it too though
This kind of talk is so depressing for people like me who were on the fence about getting this device lol. When I had the offer to get the HTC One S I first looked in these forums and seen a lot going on, so I thought it was well supported but it wasn't til after i got it that I dug a little deeper to find out things like this. And now here I am stuck with the higher hboot. Very depressing but hey, it's still one of the best phones out. It just seems it is gonna turn into an EOL device. Pretty soon everyone we'll say to hell with it and go to a nexus only attitude!
stratax said:
You should have seen how feisty people got in the Amaze forums a while back hahaha.
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LOL RIGHT!
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There were even less developers on the Amaze yet they achieved it.. took a while, but it happened. I remember checking the bounty thread like everyday lol. Same exact thing for the mytouch 3g slide, there were even less than the amaze back in the day. they achieved it too though
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True, even though by the time they got S-off I sold my Amaze for the One S. I feel like their was more motivation for S-off in the Amaze their was more talk. We don't even have a sticky discussion thread like the Amaze did.
Don't complain and be happy that we are at least able to flash boot.img. Look at AT&T One X forums. They are not even able to unlock their bootloaders with the latest hboot.
tylerjholmgren said:
I've been looking around the internet and I see no progress on s-off. It looks like the one x is close but why is no one willing to work on s-off for our one s. I've heard talk of piggybacking off the one x s-off solution but that is getting us no where. If I had the ability and know how that's what I'd be doing so can't one of our few dev's stop making ROMs and make some real progress on this. I have a lot of respect for our developers don't get me wrong but why not work on something that'll make a big change. That's the way I see it and I figured maybe by sharing my thoughts and people getting on board we can get something done on this phone. I'm tired of having to flash boot.img's in fastboot and I'm sure others with higher hboots are sick of it too. Its a big inconvenience for people who are not always home and downloaded the latest ROM over WiFi. Doesn't s-off make it easier for the devs so why not?
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If you don't understand the difference between a Rom developer and a team of people that can break the security created by large multi-national corporations maybe you don't have a right to complain?
Besides the majority of the need to do it has already been removed. The only real reason that you would want to do it now is to not unlock the bootloader through HTC dev and we already know the method to avoid that anyways.
Just a run down on what we CAN do with s-on
Root
Unlock Bootloader
Change Radios
Change Kernels
Super cid
And most phones can SIM unlock also
What exactly are you hoping S-off will achieve?
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LOL RIGHT!
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True, even though by the time they got S-off I sold my Amaze for the One S. I feel like their was more motivation for S-off in the Amaze their was more talk. We don't even have a sticky discussion thread like the Amaze did.
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I stayed a while after they achieved S-OFF, then I sold the phone for a nokia n9 and then traded that for the iphone 4 then traded that for this phone hahah
yeah, they sure did have motivation, I guess people are getting sick and tired of achieving something that we shouldn't have to achieve. almost every other manufacture allows their bootloader to be unlocked, etc. HTC is going to have to make more changes if they want to succeed in this market.
edit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9Z2cOGHC8Q&feature=g-all-u @2:20 my point
dc211 said:
If you don't understand the difference between a Rom developer and a team of people that can break the security created by large multi-national corporations maybe you don't have a right to complain?
Besides the majority of the need to do it has already been removed. The only real reason that you would want to do it now is to not unlock the bootloader through HTC dev and we already know the method to avoid that anyways.
Just a run down on what we CAN do with s-on
Root
Unlock Bootloader
Change Radios
Change Kernels
Super cid
And most phones can SIM unlock also
What exactly are you hoping S-off will achieve?
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Yeah but the time it took to get to this point distracts dev's from even considering purchasing this phone. DOA
dc211 said:
Besides the majority of the need to do it has already been removed.
Just a run down on what we CAN do with s-on
Root
Unlock Bootloader
Change Radios
Change Kernels
Super cid
And most phones can SIM unlock also
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..Change recoveries.
We do have a big difference between the 'old' and 'new' hboots, tho.
The older ones can flash pretty much anything from normal recovery. The newer hboots are way more restricted. Even if we can't get permanent s-off, it would be very nice if we got the means to downgrade hboot to 1.06 or 1.09.
-Jobo
tylerjholmgren said:
I've been looking around the internet and I see no progress on s-off. It looks like the one x is close but why is no one willing to work on s-off for our one s. I've heard talk of piggybacking off the one x s-off solution but that is getting us no where. If I had the ability and know how that's what I'd be doing so can't one of our few dev's stop making ROMs and make some real progress on this. I have a lot of respect for our developers don't get me wrong but why not work on something that'll make a big change. That's the way I see it and I figured maybe by sharing my thoughts and people getting on board we can get something done on this phone. I'm tired of having to flash boot.img's in fastboot and I'm sure others with higher hboots are sick of it too. Its a big inconvenience for people who are not always home and downloaded the latest ROM over WiFi. Doesn't s-off make it easier for the devs so why not?
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Great idea! Let us know when you get us s - off...
One, as previously stated that is a serious pain especially when there's no good place to start. It's completely different than making roms. Next I had the amaze long after they achieved s-off which people threw hundreds of dollars and hours into... Guess how much changed because of it? Nothing really changed. And so here you are asking devs who already take tons of their free time to do this for free. And you're asking them to go out of their way to do more so you can save 60 seconds when you are flashing a rom. This sounds incredibly lazy and selfish. It's not that hard to go to fastboot and flash a kernel. If you want s-off you should have at least made a better argument than that you're lazy...
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lorddart said:
Great idea! Let us know when you get us s - off...
One, as previously stated that is a serious pain especially when there's no good place to start. It's completely different than making roms. Next I had the amaze long after they achieved s-off which people threw hundreds of dollars and hours into... Guess how much changed because of it? Nothing really changed. And so here you are asking devs who already take tons of their free time to do this for free. And you're asking them to go out of their way to do more so you can save 60 seconds when you are flashing a rom. This sounds incredibly lazy and selfish. It's not that hard to go to fastboot and flash a kernel. If you want s-off you should have at least made a better argument than that you're lazy...
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Its not the fact that I'm lazy its the fact that I'm never really home to be able to access my computer I work almost full time and go to college full time maybe you shouldn't call someone lazy before you know the real story it makes you look bad if I had more time to get on a computer I wouldn't have made the argument in the first place. I'm not here to start arguments I'm here to get something to change and if all your going to do is jump my **** then go somewhere else.
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tylerjholmgren said:
Its not the fact that I'm lazy its the fact that I'm never really home to be able to access my computer I work almost full time and go to college full time maybe you shouldn't call someone lazy before you know the real story it makes you look bad if I had more time to get on a computer I wouldn't have made the argument in the first place. I'm not here to start arguments I'm here to get something to change and if all your going to do is jump my **** then go somewhere else.
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I too am in this thread to get something to change. I want people who work almost full time and go to college full time to stop what they are currently working on and start working on S-OFF. Seems like a dumb request huh? That's what you're asking the dev to do......
tylerjholmgren said:
Its not the fact that I'm lazy its the fact that I'm never really home to be able to access my computer I work almost full time and go to college full time maybe you shouldn't call someone lazy before you know the real story it makes you look bad if I had more time to get on a computer I wouldn't have made the argument in the first place. I'm not here to start arguments I'm here to get something to change and if all your going to do is jump my **** then go somewhere else.
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I get ya, but it really came across as, it's a pain to boot to fastboot to flash a kernel. Which sounds incredibly lazy. Because it doesn't take long at all. I probably came across harsh I get that. But at least if you're asking devs to do something for you at least offer something, some help, suggestions, time, donations, something. I don't think it's good practice to come in asking devs who are busy and already do all this without asking anything in return to cater to just your needs. When you are not offering anything in return and even donations are to show appreciation. Most devs do have a life and as stated above me, are busy as hell too. So remember before asking this that you wouldn't have anything to complain about if the devs weren't already sacrificing their time, because you'd have no roms to flash to even be concerned with changing kernels.
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