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No more custom roms on the new Htc devices?

Ive seen in a couple of sites that the thunderbolt has an ecnrypted bootloader, now the incredible s has it too, did the desire hd/inspire 4g had this also? i was thinking of getting the htc pyramid, but this is turning me off A LOT
http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/24/htc-locks-down-incredible-s-against-custom-roms-too-starts-a-fi/

I read the same thing. I was thinking about grabbing the evo 3d when that comes out. But I'm after reading that article, I'm almost certain that evo 3d will have a encrypted bootloader.
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Doesn't mean it can't be re-rommed.
The galaxy tab I'm currently using had signed bootloaders, they aren't a problem anymore.
The devs here will figure a way around it.
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Wow, hopefully they don't turn into Motorola when it comes to that.
More glad than ever I stuck to my guns and got my Android then.
No Root or Custom Roms means no go for me to pull the trigger.
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encrypted bootloader<Awesome hackers/dev's

mudknot2005 said:
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Not trying to argue, just curious...
If this is the case, why is the Atrix getting so much crap for having a locked bootloader? And if I remember, designgears (who, from what I gather, is a pretty respected dev in the community), gave up on trying to crack it. Why would trying to crack an encrypted HTC bootloader be any easier?
I know nothing about encrypted bootloaders, so really I'm just asking this question for informational purposes.

homeslice976 said:
Not trying to argue, just curious...
If this is the case, why is the Atrix getting so much crap for having a locked bootloader? And if I remember, designgears (who, from what I gather, is a pretty respected dev in the community), gave up on trying to crack it. Why would trying to crack an encrypted HTC bootloader be any easier?
I know nothing about encrypted bootloaders, so really I'm just asking this question for informational purposes.
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Well the way I see it since more phones are moving to encrypted bootloaders, like the new htc's and the moto blurs more hackers/devs are going to be forced to learn how to crack it. I wouldn't say it is impossible as much as I would say it is just a matter of time.

mudknot2005 said:
Well the way I see it since more phones are moving to encrypted bootloaders, like the new htc's and the moto blurs more hackers/devs are going to be forced to learn how to crack it. I wouldn't say it is impossible as much as I would say it is just a matter of time.
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This makes sense. More devs focused on the issue will bring about more advancement.

I thought the Atrix was rooted?

magnumforce2006 said:
I thought the Atrix was rooted?
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it is rooted , but u CANNOT install custom roms on it, cyanmod, stock android etc

Chad_Petree said:
it is rooted , but u CANNOT install custom roms on it, cyanmod, stock android etc
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oooooh I see

Motorola tried this with the Droid X, and it failed miserably. The devs found a way around it in like two weeks. The encrypted boot loader was supposed to be the end of modding the droidx, but that lasted a few days. No worries, the devs can get a work around.

ZXMustang said:
Motorola tried this with the Droid X, and it failed miserably. The devs found a way around it in like two weeks. The encrypted boot loader was supposed to be the end of modding the droidx, but that lasted a few days. No worries, the devs can get a work around.
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Not entirely true. The dx still cannot get custom kernels which means no non-stock based tons (cyangoen/miui)

ZXMustang said:
Motorola tried this with the Droid X, and it failed miserably. The devs found a way around it in like two weeks. The encrypted boot loader was supposed to be the end of modding the droidx, but that lasted a few days. No worries, the devs can get a work around.
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errrr , the droidx booloader has NOT been crack, they only have half baked roms , they have 2.3 roms because a 2.3 rom leaked from motorola, otherwise they'd still be stuck on 2.2

I guess that just means that the Android devs that work for HTC and MOTO are a tad smarter then the ones that work for apple.
Shame that they are putting that knowledge into locking the phones down though.
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There's a diff between locked and encrypted/locked. The htc inspire has a basically locked boot loader but isn't encrypted. There's also a diff between rooting and flashing custom roms. Even the atrix is rooted, but the bootloader is locked down thus no custom roms.
The news media doesn't seem to understand the terminology. I still don't know for sure if the thunderbolt bootloader is actually encrypted or just locked and won't until I hear from a dev who knows what he's talking about.
Then if it is, there's the question of how it is encrypted. A shame either way. We can thank the crotchety carriers like at&t for pressuring this.

p0wned:
http://bit.ly/fWkq5g

BelacNongaw said:
p0wned:
http://bit.ly/fWkq5g
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See what I said earlier in action buahahaha. No really that's freakin awesome.

BelacNongaw said:
p0wned:
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can someone confirm this? havent heard about this anywhere else

Chad_Petree said:
Ive seen in a couple of sites that the thunderbolt has an ecnrypted bootloader, now the incredible s has it too, did the desire hd/inspire 4g had this also? i was thinking of getting the htc pyramid, but this is turning me off A LOT
http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/24/htc-locks-down-incredible-s-against-custom-roms-too-starts-a-fi/
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No I rooted the inspire in ten minutes. Playstation 3 was encrypted and look at the turnout of it now.
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Official HTC update on bootloader unlock 7/10

**UPDATE 7/10**
We wanted to provide an update on HTC’s progress with bringing bootloader unlocking to our newest phones. We know how excited some of you are for this capability, and we’ve put significant resources behind making this change as soon as possible. While we wish we could flip a simple switch and unlock all bootloaders across our device portfolio, this is actually a complex challenge that requires a new software build and extensive testing to deliver the best possible customer experience.
We’re thrilled to announce today that software updates to support bootloader unlocking will begin rolling out in August for the global HTC Sensation, followed by the HTC Sensation 4G on T-Mobile USA and the HTC EVO 3D on Sprint. We’re in the testing phase for the unlocking capability now, and we expect it to be fully operational by early September for devices that have received the software updates. We'll continue rolling out the unlocking capability over time to other devices as part of maintenance releases and new shipments.
HTC continues its commitment to unlocking bootloaders and supporting the developer community. Because of the importance of this community to us, please expect an update on this about every few weeks as we make progress toward launch. Thank you for your patience and continued support!
Source: http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=10150305151453084
I don't know about you guys, but I'm disappointed at the fact that we have to wait so much for this to happen I hope the devs do it first
I've learned my lesson and will be getting the next Nexus. I miss ROM-flashing.

Juste see that via Twitter, good news
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Good news..Can't wait to flash roms!

I am glad they have finally officially said something. All the immature posts flooding their Facebook wall annoy me. Although, they will probably still go on.

It's stupid to have to wait 2 months to make our phones really OURS. I'm disappointed about that.
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DATE is all I needed.
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AWESOME!
Is the Bell Sensation a global sensation?

i.mac said:
AWESOME!
Is the Bell Sensation a global sensation?
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I think by global they mean unbranded.

Derek0228 said:
I think by global they mean unbranded.
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Oh yeah, makes sense.

Technically speaking, wouldn't devs be able to take the first update unlocking the international phone and use it to attempt to unlock the branded versions before they get the official release?
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nice. very good to hear

mouzaihem said:
Technically speaking, wouldn't devs be able to take the first update unlocking the international phone and use it to attempt to unlock the branded versions before they get the official release?
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Probably, probably not. I was looking yesterday at the Atrix forums, and i tihnk AT&T Atrix's could have their bootloaders unlocked, while Bell Atrix's couldn't. So we'll see when the time comes. :/

mouzaihem said:
Technically speaking, wouldn't devs be able to take the first update unlocking the international phone and use it to attempt to unlock the branded versions before they get the official release?
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I should hope so, but who knows what wrenches HTC/Phone Providers might be able to throw into the mix.
I'm still more thrilled about a possible XDA unlock than by an HTC unlockm which could and in all likelihood will come with some sort of strings, warranty voiding ones, attached.

It's good to know that HTC isn't backing away from the promised unlocked bootloader. It's just a matter of time.

I would like to thank so many people for this:
I would like to thank my mom, dad, sister. Without you guys I wouldn't have the patience to go through with all of this.
I would also like to thank the big man: Carl!

mouzaihem said:
Technically speaking, wouldn't devs be able to take the first update unlocking the international phone and use it to attempt to unlock the branded versions before they get the official release?
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Don't think so. Any kind of modification to the update package would break the attached signature.

Kinda disappointed for the long wait...

Now let's see how many times this gets reposted
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I really don't get some people. For weeks countless people have been whinging that HTC have not set a time frame for our bootlockers to be unlocked, now today HTC make an announcement setting a time frame and people still whinge.
We all bought the phone knowing that the bootlocker is locked with the understanding that in time it will be unlocked. Which is what HTC is doing. Personally I would rather wait until after extensive testing for the update to hopefully work correctly instead of a rushed update full of bugs.

cheesinar said:
I really don't get some people. For weeks countless people have been whinging that HTC have not set a time frame for our bootlockers to be unlocked, now today HTC make an announcement setting a time frame and people still whinge.
We all bought the phone knowing that the bootlocker is locked with the understanding that in time it will be unlocked. Which is what HTC is doing. Personally I would rather wait until after extensive testing for the update to hopefully work correctly instead of a rushed update full of bugs.
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I bought the phone knowing it was going to be unlocked one day. However, never owning an HTC device before, I quickly noticed how big of a drag Sense really was. The in store demos don't really work enough since it's not like you're going to login and customize everything. But once I had everything up and running I REALLY saw how much I prefered the stock experience. So I put the phone to it's side and kept the Nexus One as my daily driver.
However, with this announcement of unlocked bootloaders I will not return my phone like I previously thought.

[Warning] OTA Rumor/RUU download

This is a prewarning for anyone still nieve enough to accept an ota before its been torn down and examined. The One X, brother device(EVO 4g LTE) recently received an ota that SIGNIFICANTLY improved security on the device. Changes included a new hboot(as seen in the new hox ruu leaked) along with other patches, any EVO that was not previously s OFF can no longer use the s OFF exploit, lazypanda. On top of that, EVO and hox were both able to flash radios and kernals with the unlocked bootloader. The EVO, s on with unlocked bootloader can NO LONGER flash radios or kernals. Recoveries only. I am posting this to make the community aware that this update WILL most likely implement the same security changes that were put on EVO LTE owners.
If you accept the ota, you will likely:
Lose ability to flash kernals, and radios
Lose ability to use a s OFF exploit if it becomes available on the current(non updated) hboot.
Do thank the person bringing the ruu leak to xda for developers to examine and warning us of the soon to come ota. If it weren't for him, it would just show on our devices and a good percentage would accept, clogging our forums with help me threads. Check out the ruu leak thread to thank.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=29049875
YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED
...........My EVO Ways..........
(You can S-Off for all I care)

Needs a sticky!

Good job bro!
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I'm sure this has nothing to do with all the clowns who bricked their phones and then played dumb and exchanged them.

iElvis said:
I'm sure this has nothing to do with all the clowns who bricked their phones and then played dumb and exchanged them.
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It's those same "clowns" who find ways for you to flash ROMs. Please have a little more respect.
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18th.abn said:
If you accept the ota, you will likely:
Lose ability to flash kernals,
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I'm assuming you mean just through recovery. I'm sure you will still be able to flash the boot image(kernel) through fastboot. Just wanted to clarify this and not make everyone think you wouldn't be able to flash kernels at all.

iElvis said:
I'm sure this has nothing to do with all the clowns who bricked their phones and then played dumb and exchanged them.
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lemme guess.. those exchanges are why phones are getting more expensive too right?
Haha.. those phones just get reflashed and sold as "refurbished" so knock it off OK.. seriously it's just annoying misinformation.
Phones get bricked sometimes.. the giant corporations will be fine.
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SoberGuy said:
It's those same "clowns" who find ways for you to flash ROMs. Please have a little more respect.
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Haha.. those phones just get reflashed and sold as "refurbished" so knock it off OK.. seriously it's just annoying misinformation.
Phones get bricked sometimes.. the giant corporations will be fine.
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Not talking about devs, who contribute something to the overall environment (I would never refer to devs as "clowns"). I'm talking about the people who start fooling around with their phones without knowing what they're doing, brick them, then post things like "Will AT&T know what I did if I return this for a warranty replacement?"
And, whether the carriers can afford it (they can) isn't the point. It's that these folks motivate the carriers to make their phones ever more locked down in order to avoid having to deal with these bogus exchanges.

Wait, you got that wrong, reason we are getting more bricked phones is because the security on this device is NEW. Can't figure it out if you don't try, trying consists of trial and error. Well you know the sweetest of the story....
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For every guy that takes a risk and flashes something that might achieve s off, 10 people have returned their phone because the email doesn't work, or the screen is too yellow, or its too quiet.. or loud. Do you see what I'm sayin?
Normal people don't root.. they just complain. So HTC locking down the phone more isn't preventative measures for tech support or return rates... Its just HTC being sloppy. Next it'll be that source is being delayed because they don't want people to brick their phones lol
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Thanks, good looking out. Some people will heed your warnings, others wont. I'm afraid this would be a little harder to overcome than the 1.85 fiasco when everyone updated before there was a root exploit. If HTC is playing with the security like this then that is a little scary to me. Damn i wish i had a little birdy at HTC. Maybe samsung is the future for rooted devices. Maybe google will open Motorola up. HTC is goin backwards

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Thanks, good looking out. Some people will heed your warnings, others wont. I'm afraid this would be a little harder to overcome than the 1.85 fiasco when everyone updated before there was a root exploit. If HTC is playing with the security like this then that is a little scary to me. Damn i wish i had a little birdy at HTC. Maybe samsung is the future for rooted devices. Maybe google will open Motorola up. HTC is goin backwards
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Yeah, it's definitely a concern to me. I wish they would understand and just make it easy to do. The unlock site.could have an optional S-off to go with it. I would think it would be pretty easy for these guys to design a device to be very dev friendly, and also easy to recover if/when things go bad.
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xiambax said:
No problems guys. I got my S3 today so I haven't been testing the new RUU very much as I installed it sometime last night.
I'm torn on which phone I want to keep. Does someone really need two 700 Dollar phones?
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Yup I do. Please mail the one you won't use to me ^_^
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Post in the marketplace.
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As far as I've seen, one xl's are going for between 450 and 550.
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PurpleFries said:
As far as I've seen, one xl's are going for between 450 and 550.
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serious? ive seen xls go for 350 on the marketplace.

PurpleFries said:
As far as I've seen, one xl's are going for between 450 and 550.
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Lol yeah, brand new
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Jeez phones nowadays cost so dang much. Moor than my laptop or the new iPad lol
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Guys can we do anything about what HTC and at&t are doing to us?

okay so by now I have learned that it might not just be htcs fault but is most likely atts fault that were not getting the unlocked boot loader or the proper sources to be released
Why is att doing this? There's nothing positive for them or HTC in doing this
Is there anything we can do, does any one have connections with people in bigger companies that make this very public and sound like the huge issue that it is
Is there any else that we can do besides for that?
I think it would just be a good idea to brainstorm on wht to do to fix this dilemma
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Vote with your dollars cancel service and tell them why.

Source has been released except for the most recent updates. Those will be released eventually.
I doubt AT&T is going to budge on the locked bootloader because the number of people who really care probably represent about 1% of their HOX customers.
If you're intent on pushing, the place to start would be making a stink on AT&T's social media pages.

Besides... we have unlocked bootloaders and root I'd love to go to Corporate AT&T and get to the guy who decides this stuff and show them my phone and tell them they can't stop us. There's ways around everything.
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Well, if you have the money to start a class action against them, sure.

XNine said:
Well, if you have the money to start a class action against them, sure.
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Doesn't the AT&T contract say you can't sue them?
I think you can still take them to small court which is limited to a few thousand dollars.

tony_5309 said:
Besides... we have unlocked bootloaders and root I'd love to go to Corporate AT&T and get to the guy who decides this stuff and show them my phone and tell them they can't stop us. There's ways around everything.
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I'd probably just punch him in the Face
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If you guys really want to try, just go to small claims courts claiming that you were convinced that you had the ability to unlock the bootloader, and use Peter Chou's statement on unlocking bootloaders as evidence, and then say that you couldn't unlock it. If you lose, nothing happens to you. If you win, and a lot of other people win, AT&T is going to be bleeding money.

karan1203 said:
Doesn't the AT&T contract say you can't sue them?
I think you can still take them to small court which is limited to a few thousand dollars.
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I've never seen anything saying you couldn't sue AT&T. A Class action would be there to reverse their grip on a handset, which is HTC's flagship in North America (and arguably, the best phone out right now). It hurts devs more than anything.

tony_5309 said:
Besides... we have unlocked bootloaders and root I'd love to go to Corporate AT&T and get to the guy who decides this stuff and show them my phone and tell them they can't stop us. There's ways around everything.
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We might, but anyone that is getting this phone now with the new update is screwed for a while. And it's not fair that they have to wait just because these companies are being dumb.
I suggest we all get on a bus, go to Houston where AT&T is based and just drop our pants and leave them something at their front entrance....
Just kidding...

Buy samsung. Let htc go bankrupt!

lazarat said:
Buy samsung. Let htc go bankrupt!
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its not HTC its ATT so that comment really didnt help. ATT wants the locked bootloader on all thier flagship phones. The dont want people to do tethering, and they want to be able to force you to keep that ****ty bloatware for the possible sales they would get from it. its flat out ATT greed that has them keeping the bootloader locked down. Unfortunatly right now HTC doesnt have the pull Samsung does to force ATT hand.

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Unfortunatly right now HTC doesnt have the pull Samsung does to force ATT hand.
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Then they better have the pull because people pay high amount of $ for their device and do not care whether they have the pull or not. Maybe htc should call themselves apple2 since all I read about them is giving devs hard time not releasing sources etc while on their webpage they claim to be dev friendly which is total bull****.

This new software update isn't good. Patching the hboot, no root, no bootloader unlock. We shouldn't expect any new developers developing for this phone. AT&T sealed that deal for us when they release 2.20.

SkizzMcNizz said:
This new software update isn't good. Patching the hboot, no root, no bootloader unlock. We shouldn't expect any new developers developing for this phone. AT&T sealed that deal for us when they release 2.20.
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yep and the att guy at the store updated my wifes before giving it to her and i asked him why he said they were told they have to do the update on all HTC One X they sell. i returned it and ordered from amazon hoping to get 1.85 on the phone. This was earlier today when she wanted to upgrade to the HOX too.

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We might, but anyone that is getting this phone now with the new update is screwed for a while. And it's not fair that they have to wait just because these companies are being dumb.
I suggest we all get on a bus, go to Houston where AT&T is based and just drop our pants and leave them something at their front entrance....
Just kidding...
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LoL! This is true..
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Now, who's coding the HBoot? It can't be AT&T, can it? I would think it would have to be HTC because no one at AT&T is smart enough to do this...
Edit: As well, just checked HTC's site... the rom is listed for manual download. Perhaps a dev can reverse engineer it?

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Now, who's coding the HBoot? It can't be AT&T, can it? I would think it would have to be HTC because no one at AT&T is smart enough to do this...
Edit: As well, just checked HTC's site... the rom is listed for manual download. Perhaps a dev can reverse engineer it?
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Root will come. The question after that is can CID be changed again or has htc locked it down again? The locked up nature of htc and att is so anti android it makes me sick.

gunnyman said:
Root will come. The question after that is can CID be changed again or has htc locked it down again? The locked up nature of htc and att is so anti android it makes me sick.
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Has anyone who's taken the ota and kept root confirmed which partitions are/aren't WP?

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Root will come. The question after that is can CID be changed again or has htc locked it down again? The locked up nature of htc and att is so anti android it makes me sick.
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I hear ya man. ****, I should have got an iPhone. At least I could pester Siri about her hot sister or ask advice on hiding bodies. Even iPhones are having better luck getting unlocked.
Regardless, I do love this phone. Probably the best phone since the Nexus One.
Like you said though, just a matter of time, and, will we have bootloader unlock access? I'm going to be hopeful. For anyone who buys their device with 2.20 loaded, it would really suck to not be able to at least achieve root.
Question, gunny... do you know (assuming one has root and TBU), is there a way to freeze the updates? Is their a system app or process that could be frozen so that OTA's never show again?

Nobody working on s-off

I've been looking around the internet and I see no progress on s-off. It looks like the one x is close but why is no one willing to work on s-off for our one s. I've heard talk of piggybacking off the one x s-off solution but that is getting us no where. If I had the ability and know how that's what I'd be doing so can't one of our few dev's stop making ROMs and make some real progress on this. I have a lot of respect for our developers don't get me wrong but why not work on something that'll make a big change. That's the way I see it and I figured maybe by sharing my thoughts and people getting on board we can get something done on this phone. I'm tired of having to flash boot.img's in fastboot and I'm sure others with higher hboots are sick of it too. Its a big inconvenience for people who are not always home and downloaded the latest ROM over WiFi. Doesn't s-off make it easier for the devs so why not?
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tylerjholmgren said:
I've been looking around the internet and I see no progress on s-off. It looks like the one x is close but why is no one willing to work on s-off for our one s. I've heard talk of piggybacking off the one x s-off solution but that is getting us no where. If I had the ability and know how that's what I'd be doing so can't one of our few dev's stop making ROMs and make some real progress on this. You can constantly update ROMs and never be done so why doesn't somebody just finish something for once and get us s-off. I have a lot of respect for our developers don't get me wrong but why not work on something that'll make a difference instead of continually adding changes to your ROMs from cm. That's the way I see it and I figured maybe by sharing my thoughts and people getting on board we can get something done on this phone. I'm sick of having to flash boot.img's in fastboot and I'm sure others with higher hboots are sick of it too its a big inconvenience for people who are not always home and downloaded the latest ROM over WiFi.
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Wow, show some respect to the developers. They are not you lackies, and just because they make roms doesn't mean they can magically create S-Off. Oh, and just because they don't publish a progress report doesn't mean that there are not devs working on it.

I'm sorry I went too far there And I deserved it but a progress update would be nice don't you wanna know where were at?
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Vain III said:
Wow, show some respect to the developers. They are not you lackies, and just because they make roms doesn't mean they can magically create S-Off. Oh, and just because they don't publish a progress report doesn't mean that there are not devs working on it.
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You should have seen how feisty people got in the Amaze forums a while back hahaha.

We're never going to get s-off. Not enough developers. It's hard work. Don't complain, at least we HAVE developers working for our device.

invasion2 said:
We're never going to get s-off. Not enough developers. It's hard work. Don't complain, at least we HAVE developers working for our device.
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What I was saying was if some of our dev's took time off making ROMs they might be able to get us s-off. Go look at one x forums and it'll make you a little mad....
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stratax said:
You should have seen how feisty people got in the Amaze forums a while back hahaha.
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That forum was crazy...
And there's a HUGE difference between a rom developer and someone who could actually get S-off on a device. Not many people can do it.

Technically, ROM makers are considered "chefs" and being a developer is actually more work isn't it?

invasion2 said:
We're never going to get s-off. Not enough developers. It's hard work. Don't complain, at least we HAVE developers working for our device.
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There were even less developers on the Amaze yet they achieved it.. took a while, but it happened. I remember checking the bounty thread like everyday lol. Same exact thing for the mytouch 3g slide, there were even less than the amaze back in the day. they achieved it too though

This kind of talk is so depressing for people like me who were on the fence about getting this device lol. When I had the offer to get the HTC One S I first looked in these forums and seen a lot going on, so I thought it was well supported but it wasn't til after i got it that I dug a little deeper to find out things like this. And now here I am stuck with the higher hboot. Very depressing but hey, it's still one of the best phones out. It just seems it is gonna turn into an EOL device. Pretty soon everyone we'll say to hell with it and go to a nexus only attitude!

stratax said:
You should have seen how feisty people got in the Amaze forums a while back hahaha.
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LOL RIGHT!
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stratax said:
There were even less developers on the Amaze yet they achieved it.. took a while, but it happened. I remember checking the bounty thread like everyday lol. Same exact thing for the mytouch 3g slide, there were even less than the amaze back in the day. they achieved it too though
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True, even though by the time they got S-off I sold my Amaze for the One S. I feel like their was more motivation for S-off in the Amaze their was more talk. We don't even have a sticky discussion thread like the Amaze did.

Don't complain and be happy that we are at least able to flash boot.img. Look at AT&T One X forums. They are not even able to unlock their bootloaders with the latest hboot.

tylerjholmgren said:
I've been looking around the internet and I see no progress on s-off. It looks like the one x is close but why is no one willing to work on s-off for our one s. I've heard talk of piggybacking off the one x s-off solution but that is getting us no where. If I had the ability and know how that's what I'd be doing so can't one of our few dev's stop making ROMs and make some real progress on this. I have a lot of respect for our developers don't get me wrong but why not work on something that'll make a big change. That's the way I see it and I figured maybe by sharing my thoughts and people getting on board we can get something done on this phone. I'm tired of having to flash boot.img's in fastboot and I'm sure others with higher hboots are sick of it too. Its a big inconvenience for people who are not always home and downloaded the latest ROM over WiFi. Doesn't s-off make it easier for the devs so why not?
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If you don't understand the difference between a Rom developer and a team of people that can break the security created by large multi-national corporations maybe you don't have a right to complain?
Besides the majority of the need to do it has already been removed. The only real reason that you would want to do it now is to not unlock the bootloader through HTC dev and we already know the method to avoid that anyways.
Just a run down on what we CAN do with s-on
Root
Unlock Bootloader
Change Radios
Change Kernels
Super cid
And most phones can SIM unlock also
What exactly are you hoping S-off will achieve?

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LOL RIGHT!
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True, even though by the time they got S-off I sold my Amaze for the One S. I feel like their was more motivation for S-off in the Amaze their was more talk. We don't even have a sticky discussion thread like the Amaze did.
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I stayed a while after they achieved S-OFF, then I sold the phone for a nokia n9 and then traded that for the iphone 4 then traded that for this phone hahah
yeah, they sure did have motivation, I guess people are getting sick and tired of achieving something that we shouldn't have to achieve. almost every other manufacture allows their bootloader to be unlocked, etc. HTC is going to have to make more changes if they want to succeed in this market.
edit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9Z2cOGHC8Q&feature=g-all-u @2:20 my point

dc211 said:
If you don't understand the difference between a Rom developer and a team of people that can break the security created by large multi-national corporations maybe you don't have a right to complain?
Besides the majority of the need to do it has already been removed. The only real reason that you would want to do it now is to not unlock the bootloader through HTC dev and we already know the method to avoid that anyways.
Just a run down on what we CAN do with s-on
Root
Unlock Bootloader
Change Radios
Change Kernels
Super cid
And most phones can SIM unlock also
What exactly are you hoping S-off will achieve?
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Yeah but the time it took to get to this point distracts dev's from even considering purchasing this phone. DOA

dc211 said:
Besides the majority of the need to do it has already been removed.
Just a run down on what we CAN do with s-on
Root
Unlock Bootloader
Change Radios
Change Kernels
Super cid
And most phones can SIM unlock also
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..Change recoveries.
We do have a big difference between the 'old' and 'new' hboots, tho.
The older ones can flash pretty much anything from normal recovery. The newer hboots are way more restricted. Even if we can't get permanent s-off, it would be very nice if we got the means to downgrade hboot to 1.06 or 1.09.
-Jobo

tylerjholmgren said:
I've been looking around the internet and I see no progress on s-off. It looks like the one x is close but why is no one willing to work on s-off for our one s. I've heard talk of piggybacking off the one x s-off solution but that is getting us no where. If I had the ability and know how that's what I'd be doing so can't one of our few dev's stop making ROMs and make some real progress on this. I have a lot of respect for our developers don't get me wrong but why not work on something that'll make a big change. That's the way I see it and I figured maybe by sharing my thoughts and people getting on board we can get something done on this phone. I'm tired of having to flash boot.img's in fastboot and I'm sure others with higher hboots are sick of it too. Its a big inconvenience for people who are not always home and downloaded the latest ROM over WiFi. Doesn't s-off make it easier for the devs so why not?
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Great idea! Let us know when you get us s - off...
One, as previously stated that is a serious pain especially when there's no good place to start. It's completely different than making roms. Next I had the amaze long after they achieved s-off which people threw hundreds of dollars and hours into... Guess how much changed because of it? Nothing really changed. And so here you are asking devs who already take tons of their free time to do this for free. And you're asking them to go out of their way to do more so you can save 60 seconds when you are flashing a rom. This sounds incredibly lazy and selfish. It's not that hard to go to fastboot and flash a kernel. If you want s-off you should have at least made a better argument than that you're lazy...
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lorddart said:
Great idea! Let us know when you get us s - off...
One, as previously stated that is a serious pain especially when there's no good place to start. It's completely different than making roms. Next I had the amaze long after they achieved s-off which people threw hundreds of dollars and hours into... Guess how much changed because of it? Nothing really changed. And so here you are asking devs who already take tons of their free time to do this for free. And you're asking them to go out of their way to do more so you can save 60 seconds when you are flashing a rom. This sounds incredibly lazy and selfish. It's not that hard to go to fastboot and flash a kernel. If you want s-off you should have at least made a better argument than that you're lazy...
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Its not the fact that I'm lazy its the fact that I'm never really home to be able to access my computer I work almost full time and go to college full time maybe you shouldn't call someone lazy before you know the real story it makes you look bad if I had more time to get on a computer I wouldn't have made the argument in the first place. I'm not here to start arguments I'm here to get something to change and if all your going to do is jump my **** then go somewhere else.
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tylerjholmgren said:
Its not the fact that I'm lazy its the fact that I'm never really home to be able to access my computer I work almost full time and go to college full time maybe you shouldn't call someone lazy before you know the real story it makes you look bad if I had more time to get on a computer I wouldn't have made the argument in the first place. I'm not here to start arguments I'm here to get something to change and if all your going to do is jump my **** then go somewhere else.
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I too am in this thread to get something to change. I want people who work almost full time and go to college full time to stop what they are currently working on and start working on S-OFF. Seems like a dumb request huh? That's what you're asking the dev to do......

tylerjholmgren said:
Its not the fact that I'm lazy its the fact that I'm never really home to be able to access my computer I work almost full time and go to college full time maybe you shouldn't call someone lazy before you know the real story it makes you look bad if I had more time to get on a computer I wouldn't have made the argument in the first place. I'm not here to start arguments I'm here to get something to change and if all your going to do is jump my **** then go somewhere else.
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I get ya, but it really came across as, it's a pain to boot to fastboot to flash a kernel. Which sounds incredibly lazy. Because it doesn't take long at all. I probably came across harsh I get that. But at least if you're asking devs to do something for you at least offer something, some help, suggestions, time, donations, something. I don't think it's good practice to come in asking devs who are busy and already do all this without asking anything in return to cater to just your needs. When you are not offering anything in return and even donations are to show appreciation. Most devs do have a life and as stated above me, are busy as hell too. So remember before asking this that you wouldn't have anything to complain about if the devs weren't already sacrificing their time, because you'd have no roms to flash to even be concerned with changing kernels.
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