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Who thinks xda should join the blackout?

many popular Web sites across the net are shutting down for 1 day on January 18th in protest of the 2 bills the united states government is trying to force through Congress. These bills would give the united states government the power to shut down entire Web sites, much like China does. This could even affect xda. Think of the government shutting xda down because some newb posts a file he shouldnt, or because a leak for a device specific os post is seen as infringement.
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They have already joined.... The force is strong with this one.
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itsbeertimenow said:
They have already joined.... The force is strong with this one.
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thanks. That's awesome
edit. I think there is healthy discussion. Please keep thread open
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neh4pres said:
thanks. That's awesome
Mods. You can delete this topic
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Lol
I really like the force comment.
Someone missed the memo.

Is there more info about this somewhere?
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You mean other than this
All seriousness tho... This is an informative link to some folks involved in the anti-sopa movement.
At least in America I think we've become way too complacent. It's frightening what they could do with the bill that passed, but got floored, if just *one* man changed his mind.

Not long until it hits England I reckon. Can't believe we are extraditing a 23 year old to America over piracy... sad times.

Waste of time imho. People who are against SOPA should be out there educating people. The more people understand the more influence we have. If there is a blackout for a day a lot of people will overlook it.

hi, I ve read the announce from different site... however i still wondering how xda users from outside USA can do to support the mouvement... we are a lot!
Any idea?
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fragargon said:
hi, I ve read the announce from different site... however i still wondering how xda users from outside USA can do to support the mouvement... we are a lot!
Any idea?
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I second the notion. We are miles apart but the SOPA legislation is Fakd Up Bulsht. It's only a matter of time that our pathetic excuses for politicians here in europe vote for something similiar.

idusortus said:
You mean other than this
All seriousness tho... This is an informative link to some folks involved in the anti-sopa movement.
At least in America I think we've become way too complacent. It's frightening what they could do with the bill that passed, but got floored, if just *one* man changed his mind.
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Thanks for the links. I've signed the petition as this not only affects those in the US.

narta said:
I second the notion. We are miles apart but the SOPA legislation is Fakd Up Bulsht. It's only a matter of time that our pathetic excuses for politicians here in europe vote for something similiar.
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the idea is pretty scary...it's especially disappointing seeing as we're talking about the US in this case censoring the web, while they criticise China for doing exactly that. So much for "freedom of speech"...
sort of sounds like this to me: "We gave you freedom of speech, so let us tell you how to use it."

Ay!
I believe everyone should join the black out including individuals who make it a point not to access a computer or smartphone.

I'm showing my support by using this app.
Boycott Sopa: http://goo.gl/RXtn6
it scans any product and see if it supports SOPA or not.
if it supports SOPA, I don't buy.
online petition lot of the times don't do much, but if show your support with your wallet, it hits home with these greedy corporations.
money is the only thing they understand... F'ers...
I'll be signing up when XDA goes live on the 18th.
SOPA can suck my...

Y U no read the Portal?
http://www.xda-developers.com/annou...8th-at-8am-you-can-help-bring-us-back-online/
neh4pres said:
many popular Web sites across the net are shutting down for 1 day on January 18th in protest of the 2 bills the united states government is trying to force through Congress. These bills would give the united states government the power to shut down entire Web sites, much like China does. This could even affect xda. Think of the government shutting xda down because some newb posts a file he shouldnt, or because a leak for a device specific os post is seen as infringement.
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Galaxy Nexus sale is officially stopped in the Play Store (Back on Sale!)

For those in the U.S. wishing to buy a Galaxy Nexus, well now you gotta wait. On the play store, it says coming soon and you have to wait for google to notify you when it's on sale again. This really sucks for anyone who wants this awesome phone. Hopefully, this is a very brief ban and will be lifted soon.
Edit: It will resume sale by next week.

vx117 said:
For those in the U.S. wishing to buy a Galaxy Nexus, well now you gotta wait. On the play store, it says coming soon and you have to wait for google to notify you when it's on sale again. This really sucks for anyone who wants this awesome phone. Hopefully, this is a very brief ban and will be lifted soon.
Edit: It will resume sale by next week.
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How can it go on sale next week when it is banned and google have not patched the os yet?
A court has to lift the injunction first and that has not been done yet.
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When do patents expire?

mistermentality said:
How can it go on sale next week when it is banned and google have not patched the os yet?
A court has to lift the injunction first and that has not been done yet.
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Maybe it's the nexus without jelly bean preinstalled..
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Gorjess said:
Maybe it's the nexus without jelly bean preinstalled..
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But no ban has been lifted and the nexus ban is not jb specific, maybe that's just when they hope the patch will be ready that should allow ban to be lifted?
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Google will work on Jelly Bean and change some things to make sure that it does not violate the patents. Only the software is affected and google is expected to release the update next week. Thus, since the patent isn't breached, then the ban is invalid.

vx117 said:
Google will work on Jelly Bean and change some things to make sure that it does not violate the patents. Only the software is affected and google is expected to release the update next week. Thus, since the patent isn't breached, then the ban is invalid.
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According to google sources and sites like fosspatents apple have to agree the product no longer infringes and then if they do a judge can lift the ban.
Apple have been ordered by court to say if it is breaking patents still by thursday so if patch is not out and checked by apple nexus cannot legally go on sale until apple inform the court they are satisfied it no longer infringes.
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mistermentality said:
According to google sources and sites like fosspatents apple have to agree the product no longer infringes and then if they do a judge can lift the ban.
Apple have been ordered by court to say if it is breaking patents still by thursday so if patch is not out and checked by apple nexus cannot legally go on sale until apple inform the court they are satisfied it no longer infringes.
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Wow you are a hater...an appeals court has delayed the ban.

lowandbehold said:
Wow you are a hater...an appeals court has delayed the ban.
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What on earth could remotely make me a hater? Considering I use and progran androids I think you're mistaken.
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Yes! Galaxy Nexus is back on sale!!!

vx117 said:
Yes! Galaxy Nexus is back on sale!!!
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Yep
But....it is a temporary suspension, not lifting, of the ban pending apples response this week. So not permanent lifting yet, though can't see how apple can keep it banned now google are changing the os so should be permanent lift of ban soon.
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Too bad I'm saving up for a Nexus 7 tablet.
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Australia?
We can't access it from here in Australia but ive seen it through a proxy
How much is postage to South Australia, Post code 5000. Can someone find out please

CNN says Iphone 5 could significantly boost GDP...

Wat r ur opinions on this statement? I know the power of Apple and its following but it seems a bit far fetched that one electronic device could actually lift the gross domestic product enough to impact the overall economy?
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Just bs apple propaganda apple avoids more taxes then al capone might gain it 0.0000000000001%
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In theory any $800 item that sees millions of purchases within the first week of release would make for a temporary surge.

In the long run, it won't change anything. You also have to wait and see what happens with HTC possibly trying to ban the import off the new iPhone.
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lol
Hah as stated above apple avoids paying taxes so... anything they bring in is negated. Plus the iphone 5 will be a big pile of **** anyways.

Sure.

RonnyT24 said:
Hah as stated above apple avoids paying taxes so... anything they bring in is negated. Plus the iphone 5 will be a big pile of **** anyways.
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Yes but the consumer pays tax on purchased goods and so of course it will help the economy if millions are sold.
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We'll see how much it helps the GDP if Samsung is able to stop it from being sold in the US at all due to 4G LTE patent violations.

LiqudDeth said:
We'll see how much it helps the GDP if Samsung is able to stop it from being sold in the US at all due to 4G LTE patent violations.
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if it sets any GDP it'll be how much less units it has sold against Android phones
the Wall Street news will probably read
"For the 5th quarter in a row Apple's iPhone5 has sold less than expected margins against rival Android platform blah blah blah..."

AllGamer said:
if it sets any GDP it'll be how much less units it has sold against Android phones
the Wall Street news will probably read
"For the 5th quarter in a row Apple's iPhone5 has sold less than expected margins against rival Android platform blah blah blah..."
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We can only hope.

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[Q] no play store in India ? why? Late release in India! why? any valid answers

First of all sorry for abrupt subject but i think most of you will agree with me....
why is Google acting cocky?(sorry for inappropriate usage of the word) I'm just venting the anger and frustration of millions of Indian tech freaks who are currently facing . India is not the country we knew 2 decades ago, i know that ,you know that and the world definitely knows that....the omniscient Google knows it better than anybody else..
Then may i ask you why are you ignoring India?...let it be an establishment of play store or purchase of the mighty nexus 4... India or rather Indians are sidelined...do we deserve this..really?
Everybody knows google's nexus series has the best line of tabs n smartphones out there..but don't you think even we are entitled to a reception it gets like in the US, UK or Australia. Are we supposed to wait for 4-6 months and end up paying an exorbitant price for a smartly priced device in the US(in play stores).
Or is it below google's dignity to open a play store in India? not sure.
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Many people might not know why this is happening but I'm god damn sure you have nice reason...for this partiality meted out to Indians.
It may be a political or some economic motive you guys have in mind but are you sure your not losing out on something? the market you can have in India..
Can somebody answer these...preferably larry page

You definitely have the "trash talking" part of the English language down!! LOL :good:

Yup I agree
All phones that are cheap outside cost several hundred dollars here
Including the iPhone
Google nexus 4 recently came on some internet store in india at a hefty price tag of almost $600? Wtcrap

Its simple logic.. The nexus line manufacturers like the samsung n lg would not like google to sell a tab better than the samsung note 800.. for a lesser price.. It would directly effect the sales of samsung n lg products.. Which r way costlier than nexus devices..
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Keep unlocking phones legal!!

This really is a USA thread only but all can get involved. Recently our government has ruled that unlocking phones without carrier permission is now illegal. Please sign this petition to change such law so that we can own the technology we buy!!!
http://wh.gov/yA9n
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I don't see what's so unfair about this.
This impacts people who are buying carrier-subsidized devices. This is a practice that has always benefited the carrier much more than the consumer.
This ruling shouldn't be something to get mad about directly - people should be mad about how badly they're being screwed over by subsidies in general. I think it's fair enough that if you sign up to be screwed, you get your full screwing.
Also, if you actually read the thing, it doesn't apply to used devices. This only applies to new phones bought under contract wherein you had full disclosure about the phone's state and the carrier's policy - no one should hedge their bets on being able to circumvent the terms they agreed to.

Even if you buy a phone at full price from a carrier it is still illegal to unlock it without the carriers approval. Thats my issue.
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See the problem is that they claim they are losing money on people unlocking their phones then going to another carrier. The flaw here is that they aren't losing anything, if someone cancels the contract they pay the etf, and if they don't they are still paying monthly because of the contract. Its just another scheme to hurt our money. Carriers can get in on the cell phone unlocking business and charge money to unlock their own cellphones, and there won't be anyone to compete
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this is the result of old baby boomers who do not understand or appreciate info tech but "represent us" in govt + ridiculous amounts of corporate lobby money in politics + people surprised and shocked when they realize they voluntarily screwed themselves by signing bad contracts.
that said, people are too freaked out by this. ask yourself: will you still unlock your phone even if its illegal? if course you would and so would most people. so, who cares?
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bleggy said:
this is the result of old baby boomers who do not understand or appreciate info tech but "represent us" in govt + ridiculous amounts of corporate lobby money in politics + people surprised and shocked when they realize they voluntarily screwed themselves by signing bad contracts.
that said, people are too freaked out by this. ask yourself: will you still unlock your phone even if its illegal? if course you would and so would most people. so, who cares?
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If I paid full price for my phone, I should be able to do whatever I like to it.
But the real impact is: this law kills the spirit of technology innovation.

I see this as an issue between the consumer and carrier. Stop buying phones that don't come unlocked - demand that carriers make it an option or buy used / phones sold as unlocked only.
Carriers are slowly realising that they're losing business if they don't give people the options they want - see Sprint rolling out a pre-paid service (not just the other brands they own).
If a business is screwing you, take your business to one whose terms you like. It's like pay-day loans - terrible for you, but it's your choice to do something terrible for yourself.
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jozmedia said:
If I paid full price for my phone, I should be able to do whatever I like to it.
But the real impact is: this law kills the spirit of technology innovation.
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If you buy your phone on contract, the cost of phone is almost always subsidized and you're playing by their rules. You're essentially leasing the device.
If you buy your phone at full mrsp price, then yes, you should be free to do whatever.
I dont see how this stifles tech advancements at all; I just see the creation of more underground and gray markets for unlocking services. All the bodega cellphone stores will still unlock phones for 30 bucks; they may just advertise less. Hell, they probably wont change that. Do you think cops will even care? Not where I live.
And unlocking tools/codes/apps will still be all over the internet. They may not be on the US Google Play Store anymore. Big deal.
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Exactly. Its not that big of a deal if you.have the know how. I unlocked my galaxy note 2 subsidized without my carriers permission. In 30 seconds flat to work on any carrier. I could care less what government agency cares. And care less about.any legislation anyways as i am officially branded by.my government as an outlaw anyways. I have no respect for worthless laws.
Nor do the police have any means of enforcing this at the moment anyways. And yes i know because i take the.exact same.classes that.digital forensic offocers.take.at.my.college
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I was going to make this same exact thread.
Surprised to see so little activity on this topic especially here on XDA.
I would assume 95% of XDA members phones are unlocked/hacked so this would affect us.
Doesn't matter if you don't think it will be enforced or not, you shouldn't have to worry about being prosecuted just because you want to experiment with your own phone.
We need to reject laws like these that are hostile to the consumer and show greedy corporations and politicians that we are paying attention and won't stand for this crap.

Agreed
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papi92 said:
Even if you buy a phone at full price from a carrier it is still illegal to unlock it without the carriers approval. Thats my issue.
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Okay now that's just wrong on the carrier's part because when you pay full price, you literally own the phone.
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free phones and other devices
I don't like such politics. I want devices free!!!

Too little too late?
There was a thread for this, your probably not seeing it bc no one has posted on it in 4 or 5 days. Its really sad too especially considering that this is probably the first in a line of laws to be unfairly passed that screw the consumer. To everyone overseas: not everyone wants to do something they know is technically illegal, enforced or not. The options for unlocked phones get pretty narrow if you like a certain kind of phone, and even narrower if you are tied to a particular service that has better reception in your area like say verizon like with me. I live in the middle of nowhere...lol but that's a different subject. The point is this sucks bc it takes away our options as consumers. We shouldn't have to not buy locked phones until all the carriers get the hint and safe to say that would take time. Obviously they see the wisdom in this move for them or they would not have done it. I was like the 14,000th signature on this petition and have been watching and promoting it everywhere, and sadly it looks like we have lost the needed speed to finish with 100k sigs. At this rate we will finish with about 80k give or take i figure. Not saying give up bc i wont, but everyone that is in the u.s. and understands whats involved needs to pick it up big time as this gets less media coverage. Spread the word!
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/make-unlocking-cell-phones-legal/1g9KhZG7

This big brother administration keeps ramming through laws that hurt the consumer!

If we purchase a non subsidized phone at full retail do they lower our monthly bill? Can we carrier unlock?
The answer to both is no. Funny how they get it all and we get nothing in return. Enough is enough already.
I will gladly pay full retail if I "own" my phone, no carrier lock and unlocked/s-off, and they reduce my bill accordingly.
Just remember, they use OUR airwaves, and now are abusing the legal system to hold us hostage so they can profit. Pretty sure this is not legal.
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5l4Y said:
I don't like such politics. I want devices free!!!
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Free to unlock our own phones/tablets!! :good: Totally agree!!

Yep, let's get this signed
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