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Hi, I've been using my Galaxy S II for a while and I'm so glad that there are a lot of people out there who make great kernels and roms for this device,
Can you suggest me a tablet (around 10 inch size, sleek and powerful one) which also has some nice ROMS and kernels around?
Thx!
ksoze11 said:
Hi, I've been using my Galaxy S II for a while and I'm so glad that there are a lot of people out there who make great kernels and roms for this device,
Can you suggest me a tablet (around 10 inch size, sleek and powerful one) which also has some nice ROMS and kernels around?
Thx!
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Well, I've got a HP Touchpad and love it. It's a webOS device, but you can get Android installed and it will work as a dual boot. There are a limited number of ROMs available at the moment, but that number's slowly growing.
The Asus Transformer Prime has an unlocked bootloader, which opens up the possibility of ROMs being developed. I dunno if there are any ATM available, but if not, I'd suspect they won't be far out.
Tablets are still relatively new gadgets, so they're bound to get ROMs in the future...but also there are probably lots more devs working on ROMs for phones than ROMs for tablets.
Have a look around the Asus TP forum, and you might find some...but I dunno, I haven't checked.
nookcolor or kindle fire, both very affordable and running ics nightlys
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Thanks, I guess I'll wait until June and if Samsung doesn't come up with something better, I'll go with a quad core.
Thx guys!
I'd wait too... until a tegra 3 tablet gets released.
Transformer Prime
ksoze11 said:
Thanks, I guess I'll wait until June and if Samsung doesn't come up with something better, I'll go with a quad core.
Thx guys!
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Here is what you are looking for I guess
ASUS Transformer Prime
-1280 x 800 pixels, 10.1 inches - Display
-Quad-core 1.3 GHz Cortex-A9 - CPU
-Tegra 3
More info:
http://www.gsmarena.com/asus_transformer_prime-4322.php
Still waiting on it
EDITED as more information about other platforms were found.
Based on my reading here, it sounds like there are two theories exist currently.
1, ASUS using old kernel
2. Tegra chip issue
However, following information seems to challenge these hypothesis..
According to this http://forum.xda-developers.com/show....php?t=1722799, Iconia A700 has very similar result and also Kernel info shows 2.6.39.4+.
So based on this, I think we can hypothesize couple things:
Hypothesis 1: Kernel is the issue
One flag goes against this is that Nexus 7, which uses the latest kernel did not outperform transformer line by much. So it may boost some, but unlikely to be the sole cause of the problem.
Hypothesis 2: Tegra chipset is the issue
On the andropolice benchmark page, they included HTC One X with Tegra 3 version. It actually outperformed it counterpart and in fact was one of the best I/O benchmark result producing unit excluding Nexus Phone. So it is hard to believe Tegra 3 is the issue.
Hypothesis 3: ASUS is the issue
This well may be true, but when you look at Acer Iconia 700 Tegra 3 HD Screen model, it is as bad or perhaps slightly worse than the Transformer Infinity. So perhaps there is a part of kernel that they share or provided by someone?
Hypothesis 4: Tablet SSD/Flash or other common denominator hardware is the issue
Again this is something based on the Iconia vs. Infinity. Infinity has superior CPU and RAM yet the difference in IO is so subtle. This to me suggest bottleneck lies somewhere else. Such as SSD/Flash drive itself? Though I am not sure if that is major advantage of HTC One over Tablet as you would think smaller drives are tends to be slower and more expensive...
I know we still have not answered anything here, but at least, this result make a step further to suggest underlying issue is NOT unique to infinity but perhaps wider problem across the android tablet. If so, the chance of it getting fixed would either depend on the Google or individual manufactures to put unexpected amount of resource into this...
What do you all think?
HoushaSen said:
Based on my reading here, it sounds like there are two theories exist currently.
1, ASUS using old kernel
2. Tegra chip issue
However, following information seems to challenge these hypothesis..
According to this http://forum.xda-developers.com/show....php?t=1722799, Iconia A700 has very similar result and also Kernel info shows 2.6.39.4+.
So based on this, I think we can hypothesize couple things:
Hypothesis 1: Kernel is the issue
If so, who is actually making this kernel? Is it vendors of tablet or Google? i.e. Samsung doing its own customization which includes the newer Kernel? One thing that does not make sense here (at least to me) is that if you look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_version_history, the Kernel is based on the version of Android i.e. sounds like NOT dependent on the manufacture. However, clearly the picture above shows Iconia A700, which runs Ice Cream Sandwitch is not running on newer kernel as stated by the Wiki... So I am a bit confused here...
Hypothesis 2: Tablet SSD or other common denominator hardware is the issue
Considering the faster Tegra 3 (not by much but some), and better RAM (DDR3 vs. DDR2) and minimal differece between the two systems, my guess is Tegra 3 chip or memory is not the bottle neck, but rather SSD or other common component is the issue.
I know we still have not answered anything here, but at least, this result make a step further to suggest underlying issue is NOT unique to infinity but perhaps wider problem across the android tablet. If so, the chance of it getting fixed would either depend on the Google or individual manufactures to put unexpected amount of resource into this...
What do you all think?
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Kernels are created by the manufacturer, they're what tell the OS about the hardware and how to use it. Google makes the Operating system, not the kernel. Each kernel is different on each device because each device has different hardware.
So I'm thinking it's just a software issue. I haven't really looked into it, but I haven't heard a ton of complaints about I/O issues from One X users. I think this whole issue is just normal Android stuff that people are blowing out of proportions because it may be a little worse on this right now. I know on my Bionic when a lot of I/O operations are happening, it slows down a bit. Especially with restoring Titanium Backup files and moving big files around. I'm thinking with a little help from Asus and/or indy devs this won't be a big issue.
If you use old software, you always miss out on some features. (Office 95 won't open OpenDocument-formatted documents, AFAIK. ) That being said, it is quite common for SSDs to use a number of controllers that is suboptimal for the number of memory units. That might be a problem.
Given that I perceive the TF700 to be quite a bit snappier with the SuperCharger, I think it's quite possible the issue is in fact caused by an interaction of multiple factors: standard Android policies (not being able to clear out finished-and-not-to-be-used-anytime-soon apps, filling RAM to the brim py preference), suboptimal hardware (crippled I/O controller(s)?) and software (kernel issues).
The second component obviously is out of reach in terms of solutions.The first component could be alleviated partly -- this going head-on with the considerations for earlier and less capable Android systems -- by using a task killer, or optimizing the system (SuperCharger), and the third component could be solved by some of the unbelievably able kernel enthusiasts we have in the XDA ecosystem.
I think we might have a case on hand here for arguing that the current versions of Android are not really optimal for these high-end devices. Scaling issues are not that rare: Windows scales like crap to less capable devices, whereas all *nix systems I've worked with ran beautifully on pretty much archaic systems, and the latter don't gain as much when upgrading hardware, in my experience. From a cynical point of view, you might argue that that's because they ran REALLY well initially anyway.
The policies in force for both scenarios are necessarily different. It might be beneficial to change some of them a little bit. If Google does not institute that by its mighty self, we can at the least take matters in our own hands.
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Kernels are created by the manufacturer, they're what tell the OS about the hardware and how to use it. Google makes the Operating system, not the kernel. Each kernel is different on each device because each device has different hardware.
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So I guess Wiki is not correct... They often amazes me how much detail there are and quite frequently right. But I guess not this time as Wiki clearly assigns each Android OS version as based on XXX Linux Kernel. But what you say actual make sense as Kernel is like interface between the OS and underlying hardware so my understanding is Kernel just simply provides set of API that meets the OS demand.
But if this is indeed the case and Kernel is the real conundrum then the chance of it being fixed may be much lower, isn't it? Because fixing kernel or upgrading kernel to newer version probably requires extensive amount of work, which I am not sure any company is willing to do when the machines are already sold.
If it was Google, perhaps they could have indeed updated kernel along with Jellybean, but that's out of picture now except of XDA members.
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I think we might have a case on hand here for arguing that the current versions of Android are not really optimal for these high-end devices. Scaling issues are not that rare: Windows scales like crap to less capable devices, whereas all *nix systems I've worked with ran beautifully on pretty much archaic systems, and the latter don't gain as much when upgrading hardware, in my experience. From a cynical point of view, you might argue that that's because they ran REALLY well initially anyway.
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Interesting argument there. One hope I have here is that if Nexus 7 succeeds, developers are more willing to put apps specific for tablets. yes. they may be 7 inch... but better than 4 or 5 inch scaling to 10.1 inch. Plus Nexus 7 has very similar spec as Transformer Prime, so supporting of such device seem to make ASUS ahead of packs and in fact, (if they decide to do so) they can easily port those knowledge and resources into Transformer line.
But this IO issue may be one reason why iOS avoids true multitasking. I can never download files or load files in a application in background on my iPAD2. It basically freezes the application where left off i.e. not really multitasking. But because of it, most application won't see any issue what other application is running in background (well actually nothing is running in background..but you know what I mean).
So I am not saying, Android should take this approach but perhaps we may have to take that into consideration and appreciate true multitasking in Android. and when the task becomes large (such as IO issue here), we may simply have to understand some tasks are not for multitask friendly...
Mostly interesting questions but when it comes to nvidia and i/o problems lets blame it on the kernel drivers.
Look at around 48 min mark.
www . youtube . com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=MShbP3OpASA
Do you think Asus seriously cares about its customers??
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So I guess Wiki is not correct... They often amazes me how much detail there are and quite frequently right. But I guess not this time as Wiki clearly assigns each Android OS version as based on XXX Linux Kernel. But what you say actual make sense as Kernel is like interface between the OS and underlying hardware so my understanding is Kernel just simply provides set of API that meets the OS demand.
But if this is indeed the case and Kernel is the real conundrum then the chance of it being fixed may be much lower, isn't it? Because fixing kernel or upgrading kernel to newer version probably requires extensive amount of work, which I am not sure any company is willing to do when the machines are already sold.
If it was Google, perhaps they could have indeed updated kernel along with Jellybean, but that's out of picture now except of XDA members.
Interesting argument there. One hope I have here is that if Nexus 7 succeeds, developers are more willing to put apps specific for tablets. yes. they may be 7 inch... but better than 4 or 5 inch scaling to 10.1 inch. Plus Nexus 7 has very similar spec as Transformer Prime, so supporting of such device seem to make ASUS ahead of packs and in fact, (if they decide to do so) they can easily port those knowledge and resources into Transformer line.
But this IO issue may be one reason why iOS avoids true multitasking. I can never download files or load files in a application in background on my iPAD2. It basically freezes the application where left off i.e. not really multitasking. But because of it, most application won't see any issue what other application is running in background (well actually nothing is running in background..but you know what I mean).
So I am not saying, Android should take this approach but perhaps we may have to take that into consideration and appreciate true multitasking in Android. and when the task becomes large (such as IO issue here), we may simply have to understand some tasks are not for multitask friendly...
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I hope (and actually expect) that JB will fix a lot of these issues, as it seems to tweak lot of elements that might be in the way of Android really deploying on capable hardware. As far as the Nexus 7 goes, it probably is a really nice device, but I am too much infatuated with the HD screen and the battery/keyboard/dock I currently have to even consider going over.
And yes, maybe we just have to accept that, for the time being, real mobile multitasking (i.e., relatively limitless) may be out of reach. According to your experience with the iPad2, it may show that Apple actually did some real-life testing and came to the same conclusion. That may have been the reason for the much criticised decision to not support multitasking.
Someone mentioned on our Infinity fora here that all the flash memory used in today's tablet is the same chip, so it's not somebody in ASUS or Acer didn't want to spend an extra 10$ per device, it must be something else.
I'm still wondering why I get ca. 10MB/s write and ca. 20MB/s read on internal storage and the other way around with (micro)SD or USB storage.
I think all of us are waiting for JB right now.
Its definitely a kernel issue. If you look in the Prime forum, there's a lot of people raving about the IO performance of Motley's kernel. In the TF300 forum, there's been some mention that CM9 improves the browser performance Once we get a bootloader unlock I'd be shocked if we didnt get a better kernel, if Asus hasn't fixed it already by then.
The old kernel is caused by NVidia because in every Tegra 3 device the kernel is the same: 2.6.... Nexus 7 seems to have 3.1 kernel and hopefully all Tegra 3 devices which get JB will get updated kernel. Old kernel isn't Asus' fault. It is NVidia's fault. Google built ICS with 3.0 kernel and that is why almost all other devices except Tegra 3 devices have Linux kernel version 3.0.
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The old kernel is caused by NVidia because in every Tegra 3 device the kernel is the same: 2.6.... Nexus 7 seems to have 3.1 kernel and hopefully all Tegra 3 devices which get JB will get updated kernel. Old kernel isn't Asus' fault. It is NVidia's fault. Google built ICS with 3.0 kernel and that is why almost all other devices except Tegra 3 devices have Linux kernel version 3.0.
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Wait correct me if I am wrong. So you are saying, as stated in the Wiki when original Android OS is developed e.g. ICS it used Linux kernel version 3.0.x but then when ASUS or other manufactors using Tegra 3 chip only got access to Kernel 2.6 because it is what Nvida provided? So blame is actually on the Nvidia?
So how did Nexus 7 got new kernel? It uses Tegra 3, ASUS is involved... Is it google that forced NVida to upgrade to newer kernel? In any event, do Kernel usually get updated along with OS update?
One pessimistic comment though.. If we look at Andropolice benchmark Nexus 7 was included there, and their IO result was not much better than Transformer line.
HoushaSen said:
Wait correct me if I am wrong. So you are saying, as stated in the Wiki when original Android OS is developed e.g. ICS it used Linux kernel version 3.0.x but then when ASUS or other manufactors using Tegra 3 chip only got access to Kernel 2.6 because it is what Nvida provided? So blame is actually on the Nvidia?
So how did Nexus 7 got new kernel? It uses Tegra 3, ASUS is involved... Is it google that forced NVida to upgrade to newer kernel? In any event, do Kernel usually get updated along with OS update?
One pessimistic comment though.. If we look at Andropolice benchmark Nexus 7 was included there, and their IO result was not much better than Transformer line.
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Its entirely possible that Asus decided backporting 3.X's features to a 2.6 kernel would be easier than to do a 3.X kernel from the ground up. Its the route many devices without official ICS have taken to get their community builds and for most of those devices it works just fine.
The Nexus 7 had the advantage of being being handled by Google for software, and as such had no legacy code to be based on. The 700, on the other hand, was close enough to the Prime that Asus probably decided to use the kernel of the later as a base.
This is just speculation though.
jdefi3ebuggdsf32 said:
Mostly interesting questions but when it comes to nvidia and i/o problems lets blame it on the kernel drivers.
Look at around 48 min mark.
www . youtube . com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=MShbP3OpASA
Do you think Asus seriously cares about its customers??
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So NVIDIA is the issue then? I like his comment, at the end. "So NVIDIA, F*CK YOU."
Jotokun said:
Its entirely possible that Asus decided backporting 3.X's features to a 2.6 kernel would be easier than to do a 3.X kernel from the ground up. Its the route many devices without official ICS have taken to get their community builds and for most of those devices it works just fine.
The Nexus 7 had the advantage of being being handled by Google for software, and as such had no legacy code to be based on. The 700, on the other hand, was close enough to the Prime that Asus probably decided to use the kernel of the later as a base.
This is just speculation though.
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But reasonable speculation. I don't think you're far off with these assumptions.
Here's hoping that JB and maybe even some kernel updates and tweaks can at least alleviate the IO issues.
The kernel is a part of OS and can be updated when the OS is updated. I think the kernel is old because Nvidia hadn't lot of time to prepare the kernel to be compatible with new android. Now when nvidia have bee working with google and asus so maybe google have helped nvidia to make new kernel to work with tegra 3. If you want new kernel, find a working custom rom with new kernel and use it.
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The kernel is a part of OS and can be updated when the OS is updated. I think the kernel is old because Nvidia hadn't lot of time to prepare the kernel to be compatible with new android. Now when nvidia have bee working with google and asus so maybe google have helped nvidia to make new kernel to work with tegra 3. If you want new kernel, find a working custom rom with new kernel and use it.
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Well at this point, we should be waiting for the bootloader to be unlockable. Once we can load custom kernels, the tablet will zooooooooooom.
KilerG said:
Well at this point, we should be waiting for the bootloader to be unlockable. Once we can load custom kernels, the tablet will zooooooooooom.
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Did custom ROMs solve the I/O problems with the Prime entirely? (never owned one)
d14b0ll0s said:
Did custom ROMs solve the I/O problems with the Prime entirely? (never owned one)
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According to this thread, it does.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1768406
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According to this thread, it does.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1768406
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no it doesnt help entirely. it helps a bit but it does not solve the problems.
for instance the browser still locks up a lot, some ANR messages every now now and then.
only way to get the browser stable is by using browser2ram.
Seems it can be a hard way out of the T3 path.
Have you tried Dolphin browser on your Prime btw? (if I assume correctly that you own one) It helps a lot on the Infinity (Chrome is slightly faster than the stock browser, but is said not to support H/W acceleration, which makes it slower on content-loaded pages)
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I am sure someone else has already noticed, but HTC One X which had one of top I/O result on Andropolice benchmark has a version with Tegra 3, which still performed well in fact often outperformed its counter part. I could not find which Kernel it uses though. But this may perhaps be one evidence goes against Tegra 3 is the actual issue, but rather something else. And also noting Nexus 7, which used Kernel 3.1 not doing that much better than transformer line also put a flag against Kernel being underlying issue. Could it really be the flash drive itself?
Now to put these in summary, I edited my opening post.
My buddy brought over his new shiney Infinity. I used it for a little while and for some reason couldn't really feel a difference in performance over my Prime. I thought when newer tablets are released they would at least perform better, no?
My wish is getting Android to run on the ipad 3.
It is basically the same device with a better screen. You won't see a performance gain until a new generation of chipsets drop and Jelly bean is available. I had some terrible WiFi performance issues that got on my last nerve and the infinity by all reports seems to have fixed those issues. That is why I'm upgrading
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Actually, isn't the Tegra 3 clocked higher in the TF700 (I thought that I read that somewhere)? Plus, it has faster memory, so you *should* see a slight increase in performance. Unless that performance gain is negated by the extra pixels that it needs to push!
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jtrosky said:
Actually, isn't the Tegra 3 clocked higher in the TF700 (I thought that I read that somewhere)? Plus, it has faster memory, so you *should* see a slight increase in performance. Unless that performance gain is negated by the extra pixels that it needs to push!
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Currently, there is not much of difference in performance between the Prime and TF700 because there aren't many apps that can take full advantage of the higher resolution screen or the higher clock speed. I have owned Prime, TF300 and now Infinity and for me Infinity is definitely a complete product compared to its previous versions. Or maybe I should say that TF700 is the product that Prime should have been from day one (minus the HD screen off course).
I few GHz isn't going to make that much of a difference in real world performance since the screen is higher res. If you overclock the Prime, you can get the same clock speed as the Infinity fairly easily. Right now, must users are reporting a bottleneck in the I/O performance and is causing issues with the performance of the device. I doubt ASUS will address this issue for ICS and try to have it fixed in the Jelly Bean update. They have had the code longer than any other company and shares similar internals with the Nexus 7.
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to provide some 'un scientific comparisions' ,, I have ASUS , Win PAD (x64) , TF201 (older model) and the newer Infinity Tf700t .....all 32GB models
for me (without any benchmarking ) ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Tf700 = far far faster and 'cleaner' running in STD MODE ( withupdated firmwares ) to Tf20x models
Plus , I not much of a lover in them silly WA software company ( always been a UNIX geek) ,,,, so am forced to use ASUS windows tablet for work
but am loving the Infnity , with DOCK = max flexability when ROOTED ( not unlocked boot loader)
Hope this helps ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,cheers
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It is basically the same device with a better screen. You won't see a performance gain until a new generation of chipsets drop and Jelly bean is available. I had some terrible WiFi performance issues that got on my last nerve and the infinity by all reports seems to have fixed those issues. That is why I'm upgrading
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Wifi performance or lack of is why I'm selling my Prime and purchased an Infinity. Particularly the weak range. I just ran a speed test several times on the Prime and Infinity outside on my deck. The Prime averages about 6mps. The Infinity averages about 25mps. I'm a happy camper now. As someone else in this thread mentioned, this is what the Prime should have been. EBay auction on my Prime ends tomorrow and l have a bidder, good riddance Prime.
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So I was so mad that Need For Speed Most Wanted didn't work on the Tablet so I asked on Firemonkeys Support why and they told me this
Code:
Hi Rodolfo,
We apologize that we have not been able to support your device for launch.
Unfortunately there are some problems with the GPU drivers on the ASUS Transformer range that
ASUS and nVidia are aware of and working to release a firmware update to fix.
Once these issues have been corrected, your device should be able to download the game.
Regards,
Nina.
Who are firemonkeys?
The new need for speed works for me.
Firemonkeys???
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Firemonkeys is/are developers for several Android games.
allan1313 said:
The new need for speed works for me.
Firemonkeys???
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It works for me too but it isn't officially supported and games goes slow as hell
Firemonkeys are the Developers of need for speed...
Could be true or could be there way of passing the blame, Who knows to be honest..
Please, lame excuses.
All EA and Gameloft games work fine on the Infinity. They're just too lazy to change the compatibility list on Google Play. I'm running most of them, all without issues.
Imo, doesn't mean anything special. This tablet has some gaming performance problems with many games, not only NFSMW. Check Asphalt 7, The Dark Knight and Babel Rising 3D performance compared to let's say a Galaxy S3. Resolution may be a factor but gpu is weak even in those so hyped Tegra 3 games with choppy framerates (i have watched some Nexus 7 gaming videos, framerate doesn't seem to be different in some games)
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Imo, doesn't mean anything special. This tablet has some gaming performance problems with many games, not only NFSMW. Check Asphalt 7, The Dark Knight and Babel Rising 3D performance compared to let's say a Galaxy S3. Resolution may be a factor but gpu is weak even in those so hyped Tegra 3 games with choppy framerates (i have watched some Nexus 7 gaming videos, framerate doesn't seem to be different in some games)
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Agreed. I have Asphalt 7 and TDKR.
S3 = perfect!
TF700 = Framerate lag. However, Asphalt 7 is bearable if you play with the keyboard or a controller (the lag is less noticeable like that, for me at least).
It's sad how such a high quality tablet with great specs performs so poorly. Hah, a smartphone can perform better than a tablet. Wow.
I'm not sure I could trust a statement like that unless it came from Asus or nvidia directly. Forward that directly to Tien or Gary and see what they say.
Why is this thread in the general section? This should be in the apps section. People look at this and think your talking about an OTA from ASUS...Moderator move this please!
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Why is this thread in the general section? This should be in the apps section. People look at this and think your talking about an OTA from ASUS...Moderator move this please!
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Did you even read the OP?
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Did you even read the OP?
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Yes, and if im not mistaken the point is about the how well a game works on the infinity. So since we are talking about a game...it belongs in the app section regardless of whether it need to be fixed by the app maker or asus. Just saying...
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Yes, and if im not mistaken the point is about the how well a game works on the infinity. So since we are talking about a game...it belongs in the app section regardless of whether it need to be fixed by the app maker or asus. Just saying...
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Come on the point is if is true Asus gonna release an update hope an official answer on monday from the Asus member here on the forum..
Can somebody ask it to Asus by e-mail or telephone, I'm Brazilian so I cannot do many thing from here...
I just tired to ask something to Asus and don't get a anwser.
The "updates" from Asus are like "downdates" once that its just give "little gifts" for us, gifts like the mysteriously reset.
I got today a message about new update for my Asus 700, and updated it just from OTA to version JB 4.1.1 - JR003C.WW_epad-10.4.4.20-20121026.
All wents smooth and without problems.After update root was gone,but voodoo Keeper made his magic... Also-root work fine now as well...
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I got today a message about new update for my Asus 700, and updated it just from OTA to version JB 4.1.1 - JR003C.WW_epad-10.4.4.20-20121026.
All wents smooth and without problems.After update root was gone,but voodoo Keeper made his magic... Also-root work fine now as well...
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Seriously?
I just got an update notification as well.. Installing now.
on .18 version it works, but laaaaags
pierrekid said:
Yes, and if im not mistaken the point is about the how well a game works on the infinity. So since we are talking about a game...it belongs in the app section regardless of whether it need to be fixed by the app maker or asus. Just saying...
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Hi Ned Flanders !
Im looking at upgrading my Toshiba Thrive to the TF700. From reading reviews all over the net it is still rated in the top 3
If you were looking to buy a tab today would you still buy the TF700? If not what would you buy?
And NO Apple anything is not on the menu for me, never, never, never
Thanks for the input
IT just depends on your wants and need. The Nexus10 out performs the TF700 but has limited storage, no USB port and no keyboard dock. Also, unless you are willing to unlock the performance stock will be not that great.
Tylor
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Tylorw1 said:
IT just depends on your wants and need. The Nexus10 out performs the TF700 but has limited storage, no USB port and no keyboard dock. Also, unless you are willing to unlock the performance stock will be not that great.
Tylor
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I would root the tab, My Thrive and Rezound is rooted running custom roms.
I just am not sure if I should wait a few months to see what the latest and greatest tab will be,
I mostly use the tab to surf the net and check email, thats pretty much all I do with the tab
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I would root the tab, My Thrive and Rezound is rooted running custom roms.
I just am not sure if I should wait a few months to see what the latest and greatest tab will be,
I mostly use the tab to surf the net and check email, thats pretty much all I do with the tab
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If that is about it then the TF700 would not be bad. In order to install custom ROMS you must unlock thus voiding ASUS factory warranty. The keyboard dock makes it SOOO much easier surfing the web and typing up things.
Tylor
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Nope.
I would no longer recomend this tablet. After the last update it has become very unstable, and I was never happy with the speed. Apps crash regularly (including system apps) and do not behave as expected. I would find a more stable device if I were starting over.
No deep sleep
The only reason I cant recommend this tablet is because it does not have a deep sleep function. Well it supposedly does but it never works since the first day i got it. I have made all the changes that have come through in suggestions and nothing works to correct this. It almost seems worse since 4.2.1 update but it was still bad before that.
Other then the no deep sleep I think its a great tablet.
Íf you're willing to unlock and install custom ROMs, there's no tablet in the market that will beat the TF700.
The Nexus 10 has a high resolution and is faster when comparing stock, but it has no MicroSD slot, no dock (and thus no USB, no extra battery, no extra SDslot..)...
Hitch_Itch said:
I would root the tab, My Thrive and Rezound is rooted running custom roms.
I just am not sure if I should wait a few months to see what the latest and greatest tab will be,
I mostly use the tab to surf the net and check email, thats pretty much all I do with the tab
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Since the tf700 has a permanent issue with I/O bottleneck, it only can do so much. Imagine a custom rom/O/C kernel on the Nexus 10, definitely better than the tf700 in term of multitasking. Nexus 10 does have mini usb port which you can add a mini usb for a external sdcard. A wireless mini third party keyboard/mouse would be nice since the tf700 with dock is impossible to place on your lab (fliping over due to unbalance design, tablet is heavier than the keyboard). I would take the nexus 10 without hesitation.
Thanks for everyone's input, keep them coming.
Im still very curious on peoples thoughts about all the new tabs that are coming out withing a few months
Thanks
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Thanks for everyone's input, keep them coming.
Im still very curious on peoples thoughts about all the new tabs that are coming out withing a few months
Thanks
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The new tablet will no doubt surpass this tablet, however it will require you to wait, which might be worth it, or may not be. I personally am eager to see if ASUS releases a new transformer using a Tegra4 or a Snapdragon SoC, maybe even an intel. That would be awesome. And maybe better i/o performance because the i/o sucks but my tablet still runs great and with DATA2SD can solve the issue, mostly anyways.
Tylor
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Tylorw1 said:
The new tablet will no doubt surpass this tablet, however it will require you to wait, which might be worth it, or may not be. I personally am eager to see if ASUS releases a new transformer using a Tegra4 or a Snapdragon SoC, maybe even an intel. That would be awesome. And maybe better i/o performance because the i/o sucks but my tablet still runs great and with DATA2SD can solve the issue, mostly anyways.
Tylor
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Other manufacturers show some promise as well, wondering about Samsung and Sony has a nice tablet coming out and the end of the month
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Other manufacturers show some promise as well, wondering about Samsung and Sony has a nice tablet coming out and the end of the month
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Yes they do indeed. But I doubt I will ever get a touch screen tablet/laptop without a keyboard. I have experienced both typing and tapping and using a tablet to type things up is a pain. And I very much dislike having to carry around a bluetooth one. The keyboard dock makes it efficient and easy to carry around.
Tylor
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To me, the Nexus 10 is an inferior device. Simply because it has a fixed amount of storage. Cloud is useless when you leave the house, OTG adapters are pointless when you're trying to walk around with it or use public transport. With the TF700, I have two 64GB MicroSD's extra on top of the 64GB internal, an USB port that supports my 2TB flashdrive (the OTG adapter on the nexus just gives "Voltage too high" on any flashdrive.), 9 more hours of battery and a keyboard and trackpad that doesn't eat my battery even more. (which bluetooth, wifi and USB does.)
For all that, i'll wait the extra second it aparently takes for things to load. Besides, it's still a full 10 seconds faster than that snail of a GT2 10.1...
And, and this is my personal opinion; feel free to disagree, it's ugly as hell. Looks like a cheap plastic toy you buy at Toys 'R Us... At least the TF700 look sleek and modern (and scifi-y).
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the tf700 with dock is impossible to place on your lab (fliping over due to unbalance design, tablet is heavier than the keyboard).
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What are you on about? Mine always sits on my lap, with the dock, for a whole 6.5 hours a day minimum. It has never fallen over. Not even once. Either it's because I have the better balanced TF201 dock, or you just want an angle that physics doesn't allow.
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Other manufacturers show some promise as well, wondering about Samsung and Sony has a nice tablet coming out and the end of the month
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Samsung "announced" the Tab 3 last week. But it will have a Dual core, 2gb RAM and *shudder* 1280x800. Which essentially makes it rubbish. All it has over the Tab 2 is 1GB more RAM. Not worth the upgrade.
I got a question guys I am stuck between deciding between these two tablets. I love my Galaxy S3 because of the ease of flashing, the display, great battery life and development. I checked out and was impressed with the tab 2 10.1 and am going to check out the TF700 tomorrow. I am getting the tablet for reading magazines, books, and streaming videos I have on my computer/tversity during bedtime (some of which are MKVs)
How would you guys say the battery life compared on the two machines?
How would you say the display compares?
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I got a question guys I am stuck between deciding between these two tablets. I love my Galaxy S3 because of the ease of flashing, the display, great battery life and development. I checked out and was impressed with the tab 2 10.1 and am going to check out the TF700 tomorrow. I am getting the tablet for reading magazines, books, and streaming videos I have on my computer/tversity during bedtime (some of which are MKVs)
How would you guys say the battery life compared on the two machines?
How would you say the display compares?
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Samsung and Asus just announced their new Tabs that are coming out sometime within the 3rd Qtr of this year
If you could, I would wait, the Sammy looks amazing, not much for details on the Asus yet
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If you could, I would wait, the Sammy looks amazing
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Looks like they have finally found a supplier of high resolution displays.
Hitch_Itch said:
Samsung and Asus just announced their new Tabs that are coming out sometime within the 3rd Qtr of this year
If you could, I would wait, the Sammy looks amazing, not much for details on the Asus yet
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That's what my cousin told me but I note it's a NOTE not a tab...if it's like the previous notes I still would like to know more about the TF700 vs the Tab 2 10.1
I don't like the note, I don't need it for S-pen or note taking and I felt like it's battery life isn't up to par with the other two either.
Could someone who has had both reply to those two questions?
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That's what my cousin told me but I note it's a NOTE not a tab...if it's like the previous notes I still would like to know more about the TF700 vs the Tab 2 10.1
I don't like the note, I don't need it for S-pen or note taking and I felt like it's battery life isn't up to par with the other two either.
Could someone who has had both reply to those two questions?
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Samsung is coming out with the Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition)-http://www.androidcentral.com/hands-samsung-galaxy-note-101-2014
Asus is coming out with a new Transformer Pad TF701- scroll down the page-http://http://www.androidcentral.com/asus-announces-new-fonepad-note-transformer-pad-701transformer-book-and-new-memo-pads
Im getting one or the other and retiring my Toshiba Thrive.
Both look super sweet, Its going to be a hard choice
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That's what my cousin told me but I note it's a NOTE not a tab...if it's like the previous notes I still would like to know more about the TF700 vs the Tab 2 10.1
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DO NOT GET THE TAB 2 10.1.
Worst money I ever spend.
It's sluggish as hell, the resolution is a horrendous 1280x800 and it can't read 95% of all external storage devices. Input is very unresponsive if you're used to the snappyness of a higher-end device like the s3. (half the time ot doesn't register untill I actually apply pressure.) Screen is also rather dark.
Haven't had the chance to try the 3 yet, but the only advantage that has its one GB more RAM.
As for the tf700, it lags on occasion, but still runs laps around the gt2 10.1. And you can use it without having to draw the curtains.
The new note tab is looks very sweet, but samsung has no experience with HD on a tablet, or that resolution anywhere at all. (1280x800 is not HD unless you're blind.) So i would wait to see what that does anyway .
Wait for the new Transformer, with a bit of luck they solved the I/O lag.
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Hitch_Itch said:
Samsung is coming out with the Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition)-http://www.androidcentral.com/hands-samsung-galaxy-note-101-2014
Asus is coming out with a new Transformer Pad TF701- scroll down the page-http://http://www.androidcentral.com/asus-announces-new-fonepad-note-transformer-pad-701transformer-book-and-new-memo-pads
Im getting one or the other and retiring my Toshiba Thrive.
Both look super sweet, Its going to be a hard choice
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ShadowLea said:
DO NOT GET THE TAB 2 10.1.
Worst money I ever spend.
It's sluggish as hell, the resolution is a horrendous 1280x800 and it can't read 95% of all external storage devices. Input is very unresponsive if you're used to the snappyness of a higher-end device like the s3. (half the time ot doesn't register untill I actually apply pressure.) Screen is also rather dark.
Haven't had the chance to try the 3 yet, but the only advantage that has its one GB more RAM.
As for the tf700, it lags on occasion, but still runs laps around the gt2 10.1. And you can use it without having to draw the curtains.
The new note tab is looks very sweet, but samsung has no experience with HD on a tablet, or that resolution anywhere at all. (1280x800 is not HD unless you're blind.) So i would wait to see what that does anyway .
Wait for the new Transformer, with a bit of luck they solved the I/O lag.
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Damn....wow you just 180'd me you crazy Dutch woman But your response was a little biased 1280x800 can definitely be considered HD. I benchmark Diablo 3 Youtube cinematics on that resolution when I'm in store
The three is the same as the 2, 1 more gig ram and 1 hour less battery life. Not a good reception
Can I ask did you root and install a custom AOSP or CM rom on it by chance or are you basing your TAB 2 10.1 experience on stock? That's what I plan on doing from day 1 and what I based my experience with my S3 on? I would never run an ATT Verizon bloated version of a tab and judge based n that
Is she wrong guys with coming off a little hard, can someone else who is running AOSP preferably comment on the snappiness? In store it really seemed great to be frank.