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just curious lol I love to push my devices to the limit!
I'm pretty sure a 50% increase in CPU speed on a dual core processor is more than enough for this guy. Why would you even need to go higher? You'll just end up breaking your device and come here complaining to the devs that it's their fault..
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I had mine set to 1.5 and it was very smooth and fast. But I noticed that if I was watching a movie, my xoom got pretty hot in my hand. Maybe not such a good idea to go that high or much higher than that perhaps?
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I had mine set to 1.5 and it was very smooth and fast. But I noticed that if I was watching a movie, my xoom got pretty hot in my hand. Maybe not such a good idea to go that high or much higher than that perhaps?
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Exactly. Same here!
i think if it was totally safe motorola would have been the one to do it and brag that they have the fastest tablet in the market with a 1.5 - 2.0 Ghz Processor. if you want you device to last, leave it with the stock speed, this thing is pretty fast as is, and if you do have to overclock i think the max would be what others have said 1.5. there is no other benefit, and i doubt you will notice any difference. other then your battery lasting 2 hours and your web pages loading a second faster (not important), and maybe apps opening a little faster(won't notice) and then your device getting hot as other have said, which can bcome an issue with other things on the the motherboard becoming hot. and in the next few months you'll end up with a Motorola DOOM
I have an overclocked Samsung Epic and it the improvement in speed in everyday use is significant. Because the processor voltage is set lower than stock there is no sacrifice in battery life. With the Asus Transformer do you get a definite and significant benefit from overclocking? I am not talking about test bench scores but real world noticeable responsiveness. When I skim through the forums it is difficult for me to tell? Some people swear by sticking with stock. I would appreciate others perspectives.
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The improvements from overclocking vary on the application.
Home screen switching is choppy regardless of overclocking simply because the launcher lacks optimization. Browser performance is improved a little bit, but mainly remains unchanged as well. Games run noticeably smoother, especially Fpse. Task switching gets a small boost, as some applications will be able to load faster.
If you're a big gamer, overclocking is definitely worth it. For everything else, it won't make much of a difference.
I haven't played too many games (mostly Stardunk and Stupid Zombies) on my TF, but I haven't noticed any issues with them. I have also played high profile 720p video with absolutely no stuttering or artefacts.
In other words, I haven't felt the need to overclock yet. But if you are doing heavy gaming and/or video processing of some kind, it might be worthwhile.
For me, there's hardly any need to OC. It all depends on what you wanna do. To many people who play a lot of games on their TF, they report increases in performance (especially with emulators) but on other things I never really noticed any difference. I'm currently underclocking my TF, and have been for about a week, with no noticable stutters or performance issues and have great battery life.
And it's not really an "effort" to flash a new kernel... the hardest thing is waiting for your device to boot up again...
I have a transformer, galaxy tab 10.1, and a xoom. I've used just about every kernel that can be overclocked for each one of them, and to be honest I haven't really seen any improvements from them. I don't really play many games on my tablets though, so maybe there really is some benefit in that area.
Galaxy's screen
How do you rate the screen of the Galaxy Tab 10.1? Is it as good as the Super AmoLED (+)'s from Samsung mobiles?
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I have a transformer, galaxy tab 10.1, and a xoom. I've used just about every kernel that can be overclocked for each one of them, and to be honest I haven't really seen any improvements from them. I don't really play many games on my tablets though, so maybe there really is some benefit in that area.
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This seems so counter-intuitive to me. If you overclock a PC CPU there is a very direct correlation with performance. There are always limiting factors such HD acess, etc., but there is a definite and noticeable difference across applications. What is even more surprising is that we are talking about very large % increases vs what people can do in the PC world. People are overclocking these CPUs by 50% plus...You would think you would see a very noticeable improvement but that doesn't seem to be the case.
My main interest is in browser performance. For example, XDA forum pages load extremely slow in all browsers I have tried (stock, Opera, Dolfin) with 5-6s to refresh vs instant on desktop browser. Also flash video tends to freeze and stutter some times. My internet connection is over 20Mb/s down and 5Mb/s up. I was hoping that I would find overclocking safe and provide a noticeable improvement.
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The improvements from overclocking vary on the application.
Home screen switching is choppy regardless of overclocking simply because the launcher lacks optimization. Browser performance is improved a little bit, but mainly remains unchanged as well. Games run noticeably smoother, especially Fpse. Task switching gets a small boost, as some applications will be able to load faster.
If you're a big gamer, overclocking is definitely worth it. For everything else, it won't make much of a difference.
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So for web page loading you haven't noticed much of a difference? How about flash video?
Thanks.
Overclocking can be a bit like collecting .. 'string' , because it is mostly done for the sake of itself, kind of like the many Ham Radio fans who talk about their "rigs", etc etc.
Yeah, of course if you can get, like in the old old days, a celeron 300 that overclocks to 450, and is dead stable, it was noticeable, and if you had a droid 1, which overclocked (many did) with ease from 500 to 1000+ , then it was again, noticeable, just not a staggeringly 2 times increase, because there are too many other factors.
The number of bus errors, and retries and slowness of the original bus speeds, and other components makes for a not-quite-as-expected by the numbers 'increase'. I would still mess with it, but not for the obvious reasons. I like under-volting more, and over-clocking only the slightest bit where nothing ever crashes or FCs. The moment you overclock, you really shouldn't be asking questions about 'Why does blah blah netflix crash?' because it crashes because you overclocked, and nothing else matters until you stick a kernel back at stock in there.
The other thing I love about alternate kernels is that you've got control of what modules you either compile in or compile and load as .ko files. cifs, tun, ntfs, whatever, it is all very useful, so there are lots of good and not-as-good things about it.
One thing I hate is when a dev insists on creating a kernel that has a 'default' speed greater than stock so that you've instantly got an ordeal if you've got one of the many gizmos that will not overclock to his default (like 1.6 to pick a number out of a hat).. Just make them all start at default, then allow us , the users, to setup overclocking via testing with setcpu or some such thing. Much easier than basically bricking things right off.
I sometimes look at those guys that overclock 'seriously' (by 3-4 times) using a container of liquid nitrogen that lasts for ~5 minutes and it is all for bragging rights, setting records , etc and think they're insane, but that is also part of it. Some are happy if they can just post here that they got 9,000 mF on some test despite not being able to do anything else reliably.
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Overclocking can be a bit like collecting .. 'string' , because it is mostly done for the sake of itself, kind of like the many Ham Radio fans who talk about their "rigs", etc etc.
Yeah, of course if you can get, like in the old old days, a celeron 300 that overclocks to 450, and is dead stable, it was noticeable, and if you had a droid 1, which overclocked (many did) with ease from 500 to 1000+ , then it was again, noticeable, just not a staggeringly 2 times increase, because there are too many other factors.
The number of bus errors, and retries and slowness of the original bus speeds, and other components makes for a not-quite-as-expected by the numbers 'increase'. I would still mess with it, but not for the obvious reasons. I like under-volting more, and over-clocking only the slightest bit where nothing ever crashes or FCs. The moment you overclock, you really shouldn't be asking questions about 'Why does blah blah netflix crash?' because it crashes because you overclocked, and nothing else matters until you stick a kernel back at stock in there.
The other thing I love about alternate kernels is that you've got control of what modules you either compile in or compile and load as .ko files. cifs, tun, ntfs, whatever, it is all very useful, so there are lots of good and not-as-good things about it.
One thing I hate is when a dev insists on creating a kernel that has a 'default' speed greater than stock so that you've instantly got an ordeal if you've got one of the many gizmos that will not overclock to his default (like 1.6 to pick a number out of a hat).. Just make them all start at default, then allow us , the users, to setup overclocking via testing with setcpu or some such thing. Much easier than basically bricking things right off.
I sometimes look at those guys that overclock 'seriously' (by 3-4 times) using a container of liquid nitrogen that lasts for ~5 minutes and it is all for bragging rights, setting records , etc and think they're insane, but that is also part of it. Some are happy if they can just post here that they got 9,000 mF on some test despite not being able to do anything else reliably.
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Great post!
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Very philosophical ! ;-)
I guess what I am getting at is if you overclock to 1.2Ghz-1.3Ghz on the Transformer can you have a stable system that shows an appreciable improvement in responsiveness? Moving from hypothetical to actual...have you done this? Any specific kernel?
The engineer in me is looking for a definitive answer. ;-)
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Very philosophical ! ;-)
I guess what I am getting at is if you overclock to 1.2Ghz-1.3Ghz on the Transformer can you have a stable system that shows an appreciable improvement in responsiveness? Moving from hypothetical to actual...have you done this? Any specific kernel?
The engineer in me is looking for a definitive answer. ;-)
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Yeah, I've done this, just not on the TF yet. I'm working on a kernel right now that doesn't have OC built-in and activated at boot, so that we can use setcpu to screw around with it and find that 'sweet spot' that works for us, also under-over-volting. What I'd really like is to build in all the modules I like, setup over/under-clocking-volting and have it boot at 1 G. I mean, a dual-core 1G is nothing to sneeze at, and then try to ramp it up without screwing with over-volting immediately. I never like other peoples ROMs or Kernels because they have made their own crazy judgement calls. I like my own crazy judgement calls
Here's what I've noticed: When you have 'up-to-date' technology , as we do, in the TF, then overclocking that is totally stable makes a difference and it is noticeable. For me it's the FC's that kill the deal, but this chip and box appear to have plenty of headroom so I'm guessing that 1.2, 1.3, 1.4 are all good possibilities.
Example: My HTC Incredible phone has been overclocked to 1.1 from 1.0G for ~a year or so, and it doesn't FC, and it is faster, noticeably than at 1. It's only a 10% increase and yet it feels much quicker, so go figure. Those things are also subjective, so grain of salt... Example2: A stock droid1 is one I took to a double overclock, 550 to 1000, and yes it was faster at some things, but the underlying infrastructure didn't really support the faster CPU so I really never noticed a 100% increase that matched the clock speed. I left it that way for a year without any damages and it still boots up fine at 1 G.
In another post I started, I was asking what keys were required to boot 'safe mode' which exists in android OSs, and if I knew that, I'd try one of the OC'd kernels right now. IF not, I don't feel like unbricking again.
If you're interested, here's a good link for building your own: (generic android, not TF really:
http://www.droidforums.net/forum/rescue-squad-guides/31452-how-compile-your-own-kernel.html
Thanks for the response. With such a large community of Transformer users I am hoping to find a solid, conservative kernel that I can overclock with. Creating one myself is beyond my current technical capabilities.
I'm finally receiving my MyTouch 4G Slide today. I was just curious how the performance is? Is the stock ROM worth wild? Does anybody play N64oid, or PSoid on there phone? If so, how's the performance? Also a personal stand point whats your favorite ROM?
I want to try out the Port of CM7, but Sense 3.0 is pretty neat. If anyboyd is running a Sense 3.0 Rom, or CM7 would they recommend it?
cm7 > sense
The Sense that the MT4GS is vastly superior to previous versions of Sense, but I'm still waiting for a viable release candidate of CM to come out.
Your battery drains pretty fast with 3d games, and if you charge while you play, your phone gets hot as hell, I recommend rooting so that you can keep it underclocked as much as possible while you play. Gaming performance is good enough that you don't need full cpu power
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...as I sit here in my car waiting for my shift to start, i'm playing Castlevania: Symphony of the Night on Fpse. You can find it in the google market, and if you have any old ps1 games laying around it's worth every penny.
Works great, when i'm at home I plug the phone into my t.v. and play it that way. If anything I think it runs more smoothly when plugged into the t.v. - the audio syncs just a bit better with the same settings.
Checked my email and figured i'd cruise through here real quick before they let me in to get started.
Haven't had a chance to play with n64oid, I don't have any n64 games around anymore so I passed that one by.
About the stock ROM:
Horribly bloated, full of crap, loggers and other BS...you can find the info in a few threads around here.
If you decide to stick with the stock ROM, freeze, uninstall or kill the zipwhipgroups apk and also flash Undeadk9's security patch. Those two actions should close all known security flaws to date.
I've played with all the ROMs available, and they all offer something fun approaching the phone from different angles.
Play with them and i'm sure you'll find something (honestly...anything) better then the stock ROM.
My daily-driver keeps ending up being my own frankenstein, and once i'm basically out of a job when december hits i'm looking forward to mostly finishing it off.
Performance-wise the phone is fantastic. Even on the bloated bogged down stock ROM it still flies, and once you start flashing some of the more optimized ideas people have shared with us, you'll be even more impressed with it.
Make sure you hit up the battery thread floating around here to see why you should switch away from the stock HTC battery. I use an anker battery, and couldn't be happier - but you should see what siani_8 has to say about the Mugen batteries. Pricey, but apparently worth it. I found my anker battery for just a few bucks on amazon.
The stupid stock battery gets ( to quote another members apt description ) "Stupidly hot". Heat is death for a device like this, and whether you go with a mugen or anker, you should switch for sure if you're going to get into gaming or pushing the devices limits...otherwise you'll burn it up.
Just make sure to cruise through my backup thread, link in my sig, before you go flash happy. It'll probably make life easier for you in the long run, and it's a good review even if you're already familiar with it's contents.
Always happy to see new faces around, and you'll love the device. Best of luck!
Thank you all I read a lot about the battery issue. Considering getting one, but I might just run at 800mhz. I'm coming from a G1, and iPhone 3G. This thing fly's! But I'm having another issue, I can't root. Everything is set up right. But Rev. hangs on Zerging Root?? Or is it supposed to do that? I haven't rooted in a good 3 years. Any help is good help ;D
Also all the Emulators work, even the super buggy NDS one. I kept all my older games so I have the "Legal backup". But the games that needed the expansion pac run slow with sound on. But there on http://slideme.org/ if anybody want's them.
I'm a bit lost on performance with the MT4GS. In all my testing so far I have been getting my best benchmark score with stock rom and stock kernel without overclocking. I've tested with multpile benchmark apps and consistantly get lower scores using custom roms and kernels even while overclocked up to 1.7 Ghz. The whole thing has me baffled at this point. Using quadrant advanced I average 2100 range with all stock, compared to 1800 average using custom and overclocking. To add to my confusion, my original mytouch 4G with single core is averaging 2800 in quadrant while only overclocked to 1.1 Ghz.
I must be doing something wrong, by all rights the slide should be scoring much much higher.
Does anyone have any ideas why I'm getting my bizarre results?
Thanks much everyone.
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Usually benchmark scores that are lower are better.
Not always, but in most cases this is true.
Quadrant didn't support dual-core processors, or well, or something if I remember right. I mostly ignored it when I was benchmarking things not long ago - wasn't working right on our phone.
Say what you like about Sense, I'm not a fan of proprietary junk either, but they have the camera right on this one. There's zero shutter lag, and the camera has the features and response of a mid priced point & shoot. It's one of the best cameras in any phone, and would sell for a nice price even if there were no phone attached. And that is largely because of the Sense framework on the back end.
Because of that, I highly recommend UndeadK9's Senseless ROM. This ROM is an AOSP themed ROM but he has kept the Sense framework on the back end, but only where it benefits us. He is very sensitive to issues with the ROM and responds to (i.e. usually fixes) them very quickly. And he posts on here as if he doesn't have a life.
If you use his ROM tip the man, he deserves it.
With quadrant i was getting better scores from my mytouch 4G, but if it is only using one core then the odd results make much more sense.
One thing that has had me confused is with custom roms and kernels on the slide, when I run benchmarks, my scores are about the same regardless of being overclocked or running stock.
Based on the scores, it looks like overclocking is having no effect. I can say that there are definitely performance increases with the slider regardless of what the benchmarks say.
I did try UndeadK9's new rubix rom, so far I'm very impressed.
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Imo there is nothing wrong with the stock rom. It has very few bugs and my phone scores 4650 on antutu. I was one of the first people to get the phone, online pre, and I got the anker battery. The new security update from tmo also gave me better 4g signal. I have only three gripes with the phone.
1. It doesn't run at 1.5ghz which it is fully capable of
2. You can't name homescreen folders
3. There is no true favorites
If you want the phone just to run cm7 vanilla don't buy the phone and get a newer gx2
This is my first Android phone (2nd device overall), I love it, it was my free upgrade option from AT&T, on number 2, the first, I completely bricked trying to upgrade to GB stock..... After I got the taste of flashing ROM's, thanks to TRusselo and his ninja skill, I find myself oriented towards the leaner ones because of memory issues, I run V6 Supercharger , SlimICS :victory:, with JRummy's ROM Toolbox Pro :good: (gotta support the kicka$$ apps), TB, blah blah blah.
My major complaint is that my Cap runs hot, I have OS Monitor on it because I got tired of not knowing the threshold. It bothers me that my phone gets over 110 degrees Fahrenheit , I've even had a brief history of random reboots I attribute to heat when I ran the ICSSGS 4.0.3 ROM (Awesome stuff, but once I bit into Slim, it was over). Is there a way to manage the heat or get a case for the phone that helps to manage the temperature? Or am I S.O.L unless I keep a frozen gel pack nearby?
BTW, first post, I surf the posts often and since I didn't see any questions about overheating for this particular Samsung model thought I'd give this a shot
My gets hot to I think it has to do with the kernel
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Mine runs really hot too, mine gf has a cappy and they run the same everything most of the time, but mine is the only one that gets stupid hot. Would love it to be fixed but I think its probably a manufacturing issue. Problem is it wears on the battery. 10-20 of use and you will burn your ear if you want to talk on the phone . The metal back certainly doesn't help either.
Primary reason why your cappy gets hot is because of overclocking if you're clock is high the process of the CPU is high and pay the price of higher battery consume. I'm on 1200 OC and it get's hot hen I'm playing HD games. I suggest that you stay on 1Ghz.
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Primary reason why your cappy gets hot is because of overclocking if you're clock is high the process of the CPU is high and pay the price of higher battery consume. I'm on 1200 OC and it get's hot hen I'm playing HD games. I suggest that you stay on 1Ghz.
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I have the max set at 1Ghz, min 600Mhz, Performance, SIO, I'm sure the fact that the temperature outside being over 100 F doesn't help at al. I have overclocked it before and it started smoldering, not literally, just felt like it.
I've literally taken damp cloth's and set them underneath the phone on occasion to see if that will help, it definitely does, so does setting the gel ice pack under it, so I have found ways around it. I would probably only trade this phone for one of the S3's, but this phone has definitely earned the top place among my favorite devices all time. It's just as tough as a Blackberry, and easier to use than an iPhone.
That's why LOL, 600MHz minimum and 1000MHz max, with performance gov, that keeps it at max clock all the time XD take that off OMG...
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That's why LOL, 600MHz minimum and 1000MHz max, with performance gov, that keeps it at max clock all the time XD take that off OMG...
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I'm still a NUB, lol, I don't deny it, but I'm all about learning the way of the Droid.... I added some of the Devil Helly Bean Add-On apk's into the Slim Bean, so I have my high points, just have the low ones just as often..
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Primary reason why your cappy gets hot is because of overclocking if you're clock is high the process of the CPU is high and pay the price of higher battery consume. I'm on 1200 OC and it get's hot hen I'm playing HD games. I suggest that you stay on 1Ghz.
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I have never knowingly oc my phone, it would get hot on GB even before I rooted and went to cm. 10-20 mins of web browsing brings my temps up to about 41 C (106 f) I am pretty new to this, where to I check my clock settings?
I'm running helly bean nightly s
I have switched batteries with my gf cappy so I'm pretty sure its not a battery issue
Maybe a bad/defective battery is the cause of the problem since there is no overclockin...???
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master2828 said:
I have never knowingly oc my phone, it would get hot on GB even before I rooted and went to cm. 10-20 mins of web browsing brings my temps up to about 41 C (106 f) I am pretty new to this, where to I check my clock settings?
I'm running helly bean nightly s
I have switched batteries with my gf cappy so I'm pretty sure its not a battery issue
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With a metal back of cappy, it will easily heat up because it conducts heat in the metal. Based on my experience it is cause by the user usage depending on how high is the voltage/clock require of each app used to maintain it's smoothness and reached it's maximum clock. You can see your usage at Settings>Battery.
You can use CPU Spy or Voltage Control to see your OC and adjust it. You can check also in Settings> Performance >Processor.
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I'm still a NUB, lol, I don't deny it, but I'm all about learning the way of the Droid.... I added some of the Devil Helly Bean Add-On apk's into the Slim Bean, so I have my high points, just have the low ones just as often..
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Yeah, you'll learn in time, just try to search and read throughout the forums. I suggest that you lower your min to 100/200 and max to 1000/1200,
use smartassv2 and sio governor. This settings saves me some battery and to extent that still smooth, slick and good ui/gaming/app performance.
If you're on DEVIL KERNEL, go to recovery>devil>governor profile> tick SMOOTH.
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I'm still a NUB, lol, I don't deny it, but I'm all about learning the way of the Droid.... I added some of the Devil Helly Bean Add-On apk's into the Slim Bean, so I have my high points, just have the low ones just as often..
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Wasn't doggin' you dude, Just letting you know that could be the cause of your problem. Awhile ago I might have flamed you, I have matured and get that not everyone reads (not this situation), and I have to get used to that. People make mistakes, I know I do even if I wanna act like I don't. I am just helping around here now since I have gotten as much knowledge as the some of the users that joined XDA and other hacking forums in the beginning because I was always searching to find out ways to do it on my own, asking for help with stuff that no one talked about. So I am glad that I was able to help you in a way, sorta.
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Wasn't doggin' you dude, Just letting you know that could be the cause of your problem. Awhile ago I might have flamed you, I have matured and get that not everyone reads (not this situation), and I have to get used to that. People make mistakes, I know I do even if I wanna act like I don't. I am just helping around here now since I have gotten as much knowledge as the some of the users that joined XDA and other hacking forums in the beginning because I was always searching to find out ways to do it on my own, asking for help with stuff that no one talked about. So I am glad that I was able to help you in a way, sorta.
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Thank you both, b and takeout.... I know neither of you were doggin me, b-eock. I've been one of the behind the scenes types but I've seen a few of your posts, I know you know what you're talking about, I definitely appreciate the guidance. Truth be told, I know I'm still a nub here, but I know my way well enough, after you break something a few times, its only natural to pick up a few tricks along the way.
Yeah you'll learn something here just have the patience, experiment, test things out yourself to conclude and rather soon it'll be your hobby reading
And also help others out too.
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my gets hot sometimes too. im on helly bean latest 08/08/12 version, also battery gets sucked down quick, barely get 8 hrs and i do virtually nothing. ics cm9 was great on battery.
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my gets hot sometimes too. im on helly bean latest 08/08/12 version, also battery gets sucked down quick, barely get 8 hrs and i do virtually nothing. ics cm9 was great on battery.
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I know my battery is going quick on the SlimBean 2.0 ROM, but the heat issue still happens, I have noticed with my OS monitoring tool that it gets hotter if you have programs running constantly in background using up high CPU %. I was able to isolate a few of the programs as things I could remove, overall it does still run hot, but it's not as bad.
I use the free version of the OS Monitor on Play Store, you can set it to run under root and to autostart when the device is turned on.
Picked up an 1800 mah battery and my batty life is great! Going to bed with 40ish percent left
Haha, well let me know where you snagged that from
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try Smartassv2 gov and change your min from 600 to 100, then note the temps, or run a log of them.
typically my phone runs about 35° C (95° F) and that is with an otterbox commuter case on the phone. When the gps is on in the car, I use a vent mount to keep it at 40° or less, and never have to take the case off.
I read that higher temps, example 45°, really shorten battery life, and you wiil only get 200 charge cycles instead of 500 from the battery.
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Haha, well let me know where you snagged that from
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Amazon, was a great purchase, got an oem battery, there is a huge thread in the accessories section about the 1800 mah epic 4G battery that fits in the cappy
Well, I guess it's pretty normal if a phone gets hot while playing hardcore games.
But is it supposed to get this hot while playing games? Sometimes, just by playing Plants Vs. Zombies 2, the phone gets really hot (hotter on the camera part of the phone) that makes it unplayable due to the hotness that makes the camera part untouchable (or I'll get hurt)
I'm asking if this is normal, and if it happens to you guys.
I'm new here btw, so go easy on me
Love ya
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Well, I guess it's pretty normal if a phone gets hot while playing hardcore games.
But it is supposed to get this hot while playing games? Sometimes, just by playing Plants Vs. Zombies 2, the phone gets really hot (hotter on the camera part of the phone) that makes it unplayable due to the hotness that makes the camera part untouchable (or I'll get hurt)
I'm asking if this is normal, and if it happens to you guys.
I'm new here btw, so go easy on me
Love ya
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Not to be rude but does it really get that hot that you feel like you'll get hurt? I've played games before and the phone has gotten warm like all other phones I've ever owned but hot enough to "hurt me" I haven't noticed.
What I can say is that it's possible that the software (either CM11s ROM or the game you're playing) isn't fully optimized to run on the OPO so it may have the processor working extra hard when it shouldn't have to.
Remember we're basically beta testing this lovely gem so a lot of bugs and such are to be expected since the phone isn't officially open to the public.
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Not to be rude but does it really get that hot that you feel like you'll get hurt? I've played games before and the phone has gotten warm like all other phones I've ever owned but hot enough to "hurt me" I haven't noticed.
What I can say is that it's possible that the software (either CM11s ROM or the game you're playing) isn't fully optimized to run on the OPO so it may have the processor working extra hard when it shouldn't have to.
Remember we're basically beta testing this lovely gem so a lot of bugs and such are to be expected since the phone isn't officially open to the public.
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Well, first of all, it does not happen with just Plants Vs Zombies 2, I gave that game as an example because I usually play more-demanding games (not saying that pvz2 is not a demanding game, actually, i have no idea)
And answering your question, yes, it does get hot enough to hurt me, since the camera part is where it really gets hot, and there is a metal/plastic (yes i can't distinguish, i suck) piece on the camera that when it gets hot, is really untouchable, reaching the point where it hurts by touching it.
Oh, thanks for your reply
I don't have it but then again I can't really talk since I'm not on stock ROM/Kernel. I'm using a custom rom/kernel which uses different algorithms to thermal throttling which keeps the phone nice and cold or not as warm.
Depends on where you are too, if you're playing it outside and its really warm (it is Summer) then yeah.
zephiK said:
I don't have it but then again I can't really talk since I'm not on stock ROM/Kernel. I'm using a custom rom/kernel which uses different algorithms to thermal throttling which keeps the phone nice and cold or not as warm.
Depends on where you are too, if you're playing it outside and its really warm (it is Summer) then yeah.
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Uhm, yes, it's truth that i'm using stock ROM, but i can assure that the current weather on my place has nothing to do with it getting really hot or not.
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Well, first of all, it does not happen with just Plants Vs Zombies 2, I gave that game as an example because I usually play more-demanding games (not saying that pvz2 is not a demanding game, actually, i have no idea)
And answering your question, yes, it does get hot enough to hurt me, since the camera part is where it really gets hot, and there is a metal/plastic (yes i can't distinguish, i suck) piece on the camera that when it gets hot, is really untouchable, reaching the point where it hurts by touching it.
Oh, thanks for your reply
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Yeah, my OPO gets this hot as well when I'm playing XCOM--the only "demanding" game I have on it at the moment. When I play other games, or during other normal usage it stays relatively cool. It gets a bit warm when charging, but that's expected from this charger.
I only just got it yesterday morning, so have only had limited testing time, but I'm getting the same thing with the front and back of the phone getting very hot, and the metal piece on the camera getting painfully hot (I have to watch how I hold it so I don't accidently touch it). I wasplaying XCOM for about an hour (the length of my train ride home) and it was hot pretty much from the start. After that hour the game finally crashed... I started it back up and within 5 min it crashed again. Guess that means it's getting throttled?
I'll be testing it again on my ride home later.
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Uhm, yes, it's truth that i'm using stock ROM, but i can assure that the current weather on my place has nothing to do with it getting really hot or not.
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I'm using stock rom too.
Yep, it does get very hot while playing, mainly around the camera area, doesnt really bother me, I guess that with a case you wouldnt even feel it.
What do you expect? This device, like any computing device, when put under CPU load is going to generate heat, it's computing 101 guys. This is why PC's have cooling fans.
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What do you expect? This device, like any computing device, when put under CPU load is going to generate heat, it's computing 101 guys. This is why PC's have cooling fans.
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Yeah, but when we decide to buy a high-end phone, with a really good GPU and CPU, we expect some kind of use to it. Since, in my opinion, having a good GPU, means that we can play high demanding games, and watch some cool high quality movies. I personally want this phone mainly to play those kind of games, that was actually the purpose of buying this phone: knowing that i can play any kind of game i throw at it.
So yeah, I agree that like any computing device, it's normal to get hot. But is it supposed to get so hot, even hurting the holder just because he's playing Plants Vs Zombies 2 for 10 minutes? This issue kinda beats the purpose of having a great GPU. It has a great GPU yeah, but what's the purpose of having it if it overheats the phone?
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Yeah, but when we decide to buy a high-end phone, with a really good GPU and CPU, we expect some kind of use to it. Since, in my opinion, having a good GPU, means that we can play high demanding games, and watch some cool high quality movies. I personally want this phone mainly to play those kind of games, that was actually the purpose of buying this phone: knowing that i can play any kind of game i throw at it.
So yeah, I agree that like any computing device, it's normal to get hot. But is it supposed to get so hot, even hurting the holder just because he's playing Plants Vs Zombies 2 for 10 minutes? This issue kinda beats the purpose of having a great GPU. It has a great GPU yeah, but what's the purpose of having it if it overheats the phone?
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You bring up a lot of good points. Its just the way the phone's thermal driver operates. Alternatively, you can switch to a kernel that operates their thermal driver differently.
What is a thermal driver?
The generic thermal sysfs provides a set of interfaces for thermal zone devices (sensors) and thermal cooling devices (fan, processor...) to register with the thermal management solution and to be a part of it.
https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/thermal/sysfs-api.txt
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Basically its responsible for keeping your device nice and cool. Third party kernels such as: Franco, AK kernel, furnace and various custom ROM kernels have a modified thermal driver which can help with your phone overheating. For instance, using Franco Kernel he has his own thermal driver and also removes Qualcomm's mpdecision with his own hotplugging algorithm (powering cores 3/4 on or off depending on the load). You can also downclock your phone using these kernels (as well on stock) to lower the performance of your phone so that it does not heat up but also meet a balance of your phone not lagging with the lower clock.
Other thermal drivers include: Faux's Intellithermal and so forth.
warlynx said:
Yeah, but when we decide to buy a high-end phone, with a really good GPU and CPU, we expect some kind of use to it. Since, in my opinion, having a good GPU, means that we can play high demanding games, and watch some cool high quality movies. I personally want this phone mainly to play those kind of games, that was actually the purpose of buying this phone: knowing that i can play any kind of game i throw at it.
So yeah, I agree that like any computing device, it's normal to get hot. But is it supposed to get so hot, even hurting the holder just because he's playing Plants Vs Zombies 2 for 10 minutes? This issue kinda beats the purpose of having a great GPU. It has a great GPU yeah, but what's the purpose of having it if it overheats the phone?
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Fair enough, but your high end CPU and GPU are performing as they should be, and because there is no physical cooling system on your phone it's going to get hot. Just because it's a high end device it doesn't mean it shouldn't get hot. The fact that it has such high spec components actually suggests that it'd heat up more than your average phone. By your logic, a high end gaming PC shouldn't heat up, but we know that isn't the case.
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Fair enough, but your high end CPU and GPU are performing as they should be, and because there is no physical cooling system on your phone it's going to get hot. Just because it's a high end device it doesn't mean it shouldn't get hot. The fact that it has such high spec components actually suggests that it'd heat up more than your average phone. By your logic, a high end gaming PC shouldn't heat up, but we know that isn't the case.
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Adding to your point... a high end gaming laptop ... yeah a highend gaming PC heats up but its not as obvious, at least not for some people unless they're on air cooling and can hear the fans. A highend gaming laptop or any multimedia laptop playing games would heat up whatever surface its laying on as well as blowing out hot air.
My point still stands as stated before if OP doesn't want his phone to get "super" hot during games, flash a custom kernel, buy FKU and set up a per-app-mode, I can play PvZ 2 and can downclock it down to 1.5-1.7 (or even lower) without any lag. Just play around with it to get to that sweet spot where you find a balance between performance and battery as well as having your phone not heat up as much as stock.
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Adding to your point... a high end gaming laptop ... yeah a highend gaming PC heats up but its not as obvious, at least not for some people unless they're on air cooling and can hear the fans. A highend gaming laptop or any multimedia laptop playing games would heat up whatever surface its laying on as well as blowing out hot air.
My point still stands as stated before if OP doesn't want his phone to get "super" hot during games, flash a custom kernel, buy FKU and set up a per-app-mode, I can play PvZ 2 and can downclock it down to 1.5-1.7 (or even lower) without any lag. Just play around with it to get to that sweet spot where you find a balance between performance and battery as well as having your phone not heat up as much as stock.
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Thanks for your reply and for presenting me some solutions, but I forgot to mention that I flashed Paranoid Android already, and from my knowledge, I think I read that it has Franco's Kernel already, so there's no need to flash it, i suppose (correct me if wrong)?
And even flashing that custom ROM, the problem still persists. So, I guess the only solution is to downclock the phone while playing those games.
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Thanks for your reply and for presenting me some solutions, but I forgot to mention that I flashed Paranoid Android already, and from my knowledge, I think I read that it has Franco's Kernel already, so there's no need to flash it, i suppose (correct me if wrong)?
And even flashing that custom ROM, the problem still persists. So, I guess the only solution is to downclock the phone while playing those games.
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I'm not too familiar with that, I know Franco is on PA's team but their kernel probably isn't 100% Franco Kernel. I could be wrong on this, I am not fully familiar with the situation but you might as well just flash Franco Kernel over it just so you're safe. If you have his FKU app then you can set Per-App-Mode as I mentioned previously.
Custom ROM isn't going to help your phone be "cooler" in temperature. Its on the kernel side of things. You'll need to downclock the phone accordingly on CPU frequency and GPU frequency. I was able to play 1.2-1.7GHz with 330 MHz on GPU. Don't take what I post for granted though, you'll need to sit down and try it out yourself to get the balance between temperature and performance.
At the end of the day, you'll also squeeze out more battery life playing the game too so thats always nice. Lowered temperatures and additional battery life? :victory:
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Well, I guess it's pretty normal if a phone gets hot while playing hardcore games.
But is it supposed to get this hot while playing games? Sometimes, just by playing Plants Vs. Zombies 2, the phone gets really hot (hotter on the camera part of the phone) that makes it unplayable due to the hotness that makes the camera part untouchable (or I'll get hurt)
I'm asking if this is normal, and if it happens to you guys.
I'm new here btw, so go easy on me
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Yes, mine gets too damn hot as well, to the point of burning my fingers, and I was not gaming, just browsing the internet while charging...
It even smells like "hot laptop" and even in the morning, after being charging and off all night, it was still hot...
Also, on my side pocket, I could feel it's heat on my leg while driving...
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Yes, mine gets too damn hot as well, to the point of burning my fingers, and I was not gaming, just browsing the internet while charging...
It even smells like "hot laptop" and even in the morning, after being charging and off all night, it was still hot...
Also, on my side pocket, I could feel it's heat on my leg while driving...
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It's probably not a great idea to leave your phone on charge all night. You can't overcharge it, but the more time the battery spends at the peak voltage (4.2v) the faster it will degrade. Just a tip.
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It's probably not a great idea to leave your phone on charge all night. You can't overcharge it, but the more time the battery spends at the peak voltage (4.2v) the faster it will degrade. Just a tip.
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Have to check ao much time it will take to reach 100% and then switch it off via timer or such, but I never had this problem with other phones.
Also the OPO charger it's rated at 5V-2.1A and not even my tablets had such chargers...
The highest one I've it's the Nexus 7 one, that's rated at 5.2V-1.5A.
i recently getting extrene heat on my OnePlus to the point that i have to stop n reboot the phone for it to cool down. I have been playing brave frontier since the 1st firmware. The phone runs fine smooth. N suddenly it gets really hot in just 15min play of the game.
I have to stop n reboot the phone. Otherwise it still hot even though i quit the game without reboot. So reboot is a must.
The same thing happened to me today when I downloaded XCOM Enemy Within. I had the phone on "performance" mode. Its pretty much just stock everything, except I unlocked the bootloader, root, etc. I'm going to try and play in on "power save" mode tomorrow. (its late as hell, I should be asleep, I work in 5 hours.) anyway, if that doesn't work, then I will try installing the Franco kernel.
Same problem!
First I really love my OBO, actually I think I'm in love withit. Ohh my god - I'm in love!
But I have the same problem - the fix no. 1 for me was Clean Master and Battery Doctor. I start the cleaning process, and stop all other applications before I start Simcity.
Ohh **** did I just said Simcity! Okay wtf, yes i'm 31 years old, I play Simcity and I'm proud of it...
Fix no.2: have your phone in the hands so it can breath, and not on the couch / bed so the hot air can't escape
I don't know anything about flash, kennel, root and what you young beautiful people call it.
Last but not least, I thank God and myself everyday for switching from iPhone to the best phone ever - The amazing OnePlus One.
Hope the 2 fix can help some.