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So after reading nearly 5 hours and spending my time in the wee hours of morning, I finally did all the "stable" mods for the phone... If you haven't been reading, make sure you guys check out the stuff in the development forum.
After all modifications, I was able to get 2701 points in quadrant benchmark. What mods did I do?
-i9000 eclair flash (JM5)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=734871
-Alternative mimocans lag fix
(one click installer http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=749495)
-One click root (googled it for i9000)
-Overclock kernel 1.0Ghz to 1.2Ghz
(http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=746343)
This stuff really does help out your phone folks. Bench it now with quadrant, then take a peak at the other stuff and make magic happen. If anyone needs any additional help setting up their captivate, I'm more than happy to help.

I agree those fixes help speed a lot. But the quadrant score is meaningless. the speed hack creates an io loopback. The loopback just tells quadrant what it wants to hear.

Does your BT work on the european ROM. For me all people hear is a gargeled mess on there end?
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Can you post the results of these tests:
Neocore
Linpack
CPU Benchmark

I keep hearing about this quadrant, does it actually improve real world performance? Or is just for the sake of scores?

jhego said:
I keep hearing about this quadrant, does it actually improve real world performance? Or is just for the sake of scores?
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Quadrant is just benchmarking software that takes the cpu, gpu and memory read/write speeds into account. It runs a series of tests and spits a score number out at the end, so you can compare your device to others (like comparing boner sizes, but less gay).
It doesn't actually do anything to speed up the device though.

modest_mandroid said:
Quadrant is just benchmarking software that takes the cpu, gpu and memory read/write speeds into account. It runs a series of tests and spits a score number out at the end, so you can compare your device to others (like comparing boner sizes, but less gay).
It doesn't actually do anything to speed up the device though.
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This is correct and to be honest there is way to much weight in the I/O tests. That is the only reason that the stock Droid X bests the Gal X. It has more weight than cpu and gpu so you can't put to much into those scores. They really don't mean anything more than bragging rights. What I am interested in is real world usage.

Real world use with the hack provides amazing speed gains opening and switching apps. Io heavy apps are very much improved while open too. It's finally as fast as the iphone.

Whats your battery life like after the overclock?

The score ended up getting lower and lower every time i used quadrant. 2701 is the highest I was able to get so far, but that's with a fresh install of the rom and all the stuff before I started loading on apps. Everytime I ran the benchmark, I of course killed the apps beforehand.
The battery life is the same- to be honest. This is me comparing a rooted stock ROM to the somewhat fresh install of the eclair i9000. The phone is very snappy. I came from an iPhone 4 and one of the biggest eye sores to me was the less-fluidness of changing programs, response to buttons (homescreen-back button) and pinch to zoom. After all these changes, it's a whole different story. Browsing is very appealing, especially since pinch to zoom isn't jagged or slow. The smoothness of this functionality is on par to an iPhone. And there is no waiting when I press the home button or back button.
True, maybe these numbers aren't considerably accurate (as far as the lag fix and EXT2) but at least it shows raw computing capability in it's current state... meaning, the usage of a virtual EXT2. Never the less, the phone is still all around faster, even if it isn't exactly the proper way of going about it.
The only problem I've seen so far is that it likes to randomly shut off. Won't respond to anything unless if I soft reset it. I haven't really found what causes it, since the consistency of it happening goes about in a non set pattern.

I didn't see any real world increase .. so I reverted back in about 4 hours.... I'd rather have the memory than a number that don't transfer to real world speeds...

Overclocking difference

I use the phone overclocked and non overclock and i cant seem to notice a difference at all in the phones preformance. At stock speeds it is just as fast as overclocked. There doesnt seem any difference in noticable speed of overclocking to me. Do any of you notice a difference.

i see a difference on some of the more laggy roms but it is small. think about it, the most you can see is a posible 20% at 1200mhz and with cpu scaling it isn't that often it usses 1200. although that is significant you still have the same memory bandwidth and file read/write speeds. the responsiveness difference in the kernel has more to do with available ram and kernel hz. as well as aggressiveness in cpu throttling.
overclocking is more for benchmarks and bragging rights. it's for those that need to tweak and whatever or those that need to say theres is better. i can turn the phone down to 600mhz on the old 2.1 kernels that had that step added in before i could notice and it still wasnt laggy much beyond the normal touchwiz. even 400 was usable.
now if the phone is older and the os and apps push the boundries of its capabilities by all means overclock to keep up with the times. otherwise it is preference for your own personal reasons. i do it to test what the phone is capable of. but i often have it disabled.
there is power locked away in these phones that we havent seen yet, the 3d processor can run opengl at framerates better than older laptops i have used and after all these months no other manufacturer has felt the need to compete with it. some open gl benchmarks are fully twice as high as a droid 2/x and 20% better than the newest htc phones running qualcom chips and even the motorolas are considered to have a power gpu. it is a great gaming platform as is and the gpu is stable at 11% overclock, some phones at 25% overclock and maybe beyond. if you flash a custom rom that doesnt lag and do the whole ext4 or jfs conversion you should be happy with the performance of the phone untill your contract is up and maybe beyond. the technology is accelerating faster than the software.
after honeycomb and dualcore platforms hit the shelves then the software that will take advantage of our hidden power will start to roll out. at this time too many android phones are running at 500-600 mhz with little opengl capability, even the popular 1ghz snapdragon phones like the evo as well as they benchmark cant run 3d applications very well and there popularity is holding up software devlopment is some way. there isnt much money in apps that only run on the top 5% of the phones out there. we will have to wait till the droid2/x galaxy s and g2 and mt4g are the norm and there are faster platforms available before we see great differences in overclocking. maybe honeycomb or whatever comes after that will use some opengl in the ui or something, who knows.

Dani897 said:
i see a difference on some of the more laggy roms but it is small. think about it, the most you can see is a posible 20% at 1200mhz and with cpu scaling it isn't that often it usses 1200. although that is significant you still have the same memory bandwidth and file read/write speeds. the responsiveness difference in the kernel has more to do with available ram and kernel hz. as well as aggressiveness in cpu throttling.
overclocking is more for benchmarks and bragging rights. it's for those that need to tweak and whatever or those that need to say theres is better. i can turn the phone down to 600mhz on the old 2.1 kernels that had that step added in before i could notice and it still wasnt laggy much beyond the normal touchwiz. even 400 was usable.
now if the phone is older and the os and apps push the boundries of its capabilities by all means overclock to keep up with the times. otherwise it is preference for your own personal reasons. i do it to test what the phone is capable of. but i often have it disabled.
there is power locked away in these phones that we havent seen yet, the 3d processor can run opengl at framerates better than older laptops i have used and after all these months no other manufacturer has felt the need to compete with it. some open gl benchmarks are fully twice as high as a droid 2/x and 20% better than the newest htc phones running qualcom chips and even the motorolas are considered to have a power gpu. it is a great gaming platform as is and the gpu is stable at 11% overclock, some phones at 25% overclock and maybe beyond. if you flash a custom rom that doesnt lag and do the whole ext4 or jfs conversion you should be happy with the performance of the phone untill your contract is up and maybe beyond. the technology is accelerating faster than the software.
after honeycomb and dualcore platforms hit the shelves then the software that will take advantage of our hidden power will start to roll out. at this time too many android phones are running at 500-600 mhz with little opengl capability, even the popular 1ghz snapdragon phones like the evo as well as they benchmark cant run 3d applications very well and there popularity is holding up software devlopment is some way. there isnt much money in apps that only run on the top 5% of the phones out there. we will have to wait till the droid2/x galaxy s and g2 and mt4g are the norm and there are faster platforms available before we see great differences in overclocking. maybe honeycomb or whatever comes after that will use some opengl in the ui or something, who knows.
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agreed
overclocking seems pretty pointless at this point other than bragging rights
the only situation i can see it being handy are game emulators

Don't forget HQ flash streams on the browser, like some on justin.tv. My personal experience was that at 1 ghz it was a little bit choppy, and according to the rom as well, somewhere between 1.2 and 1.4 it becomes really smooth. Though if I used skyfire to watch it is smooth at stock speed, but some quality is lost in the optimization.
Am I the only one that thinks there is a difference at this? I also think the performance on heavy flash web pages improves when I use oc.
I have not seen any real difference in other than flash performance though... But I was kind of expecting this since in my desktop I had to use oc for it to work smoother as well.

Is 1.5Ghz too high?

I have my Sensation set to 1.5Ghz and it works perfectly. The only thing is that it's getting a little hot (which is expected btw). It's currently fixed at 42C. 1.5Ghz is great but is it really that necessary? Should I just OC it to 1.3Ghz? I'm trying to find a nice temp base.

monkey hung said:
I have my Sensation set to 1.5Ghz and it works perfectly. The only thing is that it's getting a little hot (which is expected btw). It's currently fixed at 42C. 1.5Ghz is great but is it really that necessary? Should I just OC it to 1.3Ghz? I'm trying to find a nice temp base.
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To answer your question, each device will have a differing operational ceiling depending on the quality of the SoC, soldering, silk-screening etc. They aren't all created equal. If 1.5GHz works fine for you, stick with it I see OC kernels pushing to 1.8GHz now.
Naturally the higher you go the hotter your SoC will run, so I'd play around and find the point where you gain some performance, but negligible heat over stock. Heat will kill not only your SoC, but your battery as well.
I'm only going from personal experience, but I've never found an OC to be worth it in terms of an actual, real-life performance increase, on any device. It looks good in benchmarks, but I'd rather have a phone that was smooth as butter in day-to-day operation than a jerky piece of sh*t that gets 10,000 in Quadrant YMMV of course!
The heat stress and battery drainage costs, plus stability issues, outweigh the positives for me.

How can I reset my CPU back to stock then?

monkey hung said:
How can I reset my CPU back to stock then?
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Most of the Sensation ROMs feature what's called an OC Daemon.
This is pretty much an automatic overclocker of sorts. It can change your clock ceiling/floor automatically depending on load. Read a bit more about it here.
If you have something like SetCPU installed, the Daemon is redundant, giving you manual control over your clocks. The easiest way to return to 'stock' frequencies would be to simply delete SetCPU and allow the Daemon to do it's thing

Well I uninstalled it and I have LeeDroid. How do I find this "daemon"? Where would it be located? What do I do I'm a noob

monkey hung said:
Well I uninstalled it and I have LeeDroid. How do I find this "daemon"? Where would it be located? What do I do I'm a noob
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I couldn't see whether the daemon in included on LeeDroid, or whether LeeDroid has actually just modified the frequency tables (list of supported frequencies) to allow for the ~1730MHz ceiling. If the daemon is there, it'll already be working for you - you don't see it
I don't believe it's something you can just download and tack on. I think you'd have to be running a supported ROM. You may need to dig a little deeper into the LeeDroid thread and do some reading, or perhaps retitle this thread to ask 'Does LeeDroid include the OC Daemon' or something similar.
Sorry I can't be more help, I'm a devout Android Revolution HD supporter myself, although I am running the UNITY kernel.
Good luck mate!

personally I can't see the need to over clock, given that all software is probably written for devices currently in use, I do not know of any dual core 1.5 or higher phones, so why oc ?
I agree , I would rather have a fast stable phone, than some jerky fc piece of ****e that gets 10000 jiggawatts in a benchmark, and that can cook my crumpets..................... on second thoughts, I do like my crumpets.

Using ROMs: Performance increase?

I am considering using a custom ROM on the transformer, but is it worth it, I am mainly after performance increases. I see on a few that there are higher benchmark results, but does this actually translate into a real world speed increase?
I remember some custom ROMs for the original i9000 Galaxy S doubled the benchmark performance, but that was more down to "cheating" the benchmark than anything else, although it certainly was noticeable at times.
One of the slight criticisms I have of the TF101 is a slight amount of lag / lack of responsiveness occasionally - not a deal breaker, but if it can be improved then why not? Obviously not at the cost of stability though.
I think the SGS2 has spoiled me a bit here!

apparently there is a big increase (mostly from overclocking). i had the standard firmware for 3 days only, so I can't really tell, but one of my co-workers has a locked B70 and was wow-ed by my TF, the smoothness and speed of it.

Yes, I'm waiting too, to root it and put a cutom ROM on. I read, heard and saw the performance difference. Mainly from the overclock, but also thanks to kernel tweaks and stuff. So If you can root, do it
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I've never been that keen on the idea of overclocking, as I prefer to have a bit of headroom, but I guess if it is safe and makes a big difference, then I would give it a shot. What would be a good middle ground for stability / speed ?

1.4 IMO is very stable and doesn't increase heat or use more battery but the real world performance is noticable. I have never run a benchmark so I can't give you any numbers. Just my normal use.

Cheers for the reply.
Is there any one ROM that stands out as being the best performing?

Contrary to what people think they all perform about the same. There is no source so everyone is building of the same stock rom. If you want the same look then go with Revolution. If you want a little tweaked then go with Prime (What I'm on). If you want the tweaks and a nice tools package then go with Revolver (What I was just running). All 3 devs are really responsive to problems
If you start from a clean base and don't restore any system data from other builds then they will all be fast. The real speed difference is in the kernel and those can be flashed seperately from the rom. Clemsyn is really putting out kernels this week. Some good. Some not so good. Go with whats right for you.
EDIT: I have actually installed all 3 roms in the last week and run them at stock and at 1.4 Ghz. They all performed exactly the same for me. They were all equally stable. I don't use benchmarks because they can be fudged.

I've used all three too. I notice huge improvements with webpage rendering. It's almost as fast as my laptop, where as before I avoided using the browser if possible. The ability to hide the status bar is a really nice addition to the latest version of revolver.
Edit: autorotate is also alot faster.
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tameracingdriver said:
What would be a good middle ground for stability / speed ?
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There is no such thing as an overclocking "middle ground" when dealing with mobile chipsets such as the Tegra. It's not like overclocking a desktop computer where the CPU will constantly run at the specified speed; mobile chipsets are pre-configured to utilize only as much power as necessary. For that reason I always ramp up my tablet to the max clock speed it can reliably handle, because then the governor will handle balancing between speed, stability, and battery life. My clock speed can range from 216Mhz to 1624Mhz, and on the interactive governor I can still achieve a good 8 hours of battery life from a single charge.
Of course that's not to say that you couldn't constantly run at 1624Mhz all the time, and I do sometimes lock it to that speed for games. But for much of the OS interaction, it's not necessary to run at full speed all the time, and you won't notice a difference even if it is locked at full speed. It just comes in handy every once in a while for things like loading apps, loading web pages, and playing games.

[Q] Performance

I'm finally receiving my MyTouch 4G Slide today. I was just curious how the performance is? Is the stock ROM worth wild? Does anybody play N64oid, or PSoid on there phone? If so, how's the performance? Also a personal stand point whats your favorite ROM?
I want to try out the Port of CM7, but Sense 3.0 is pretty neat. If anyboyd is running a Sense 3.0 Rom, or CM7 would they recommend it?

cm7 > sense

The Sense that the MT4GS is vastly superior to previous versions of Sense, but I'm still waiting for a viable release candidate of CM to come out.

Your battery drains pretty fast with 3d games, and if you charge while you play, your phone gets hot as hell, I recommend rooting so that you can keep it underclocked as much as possible while you play. Gaming performance is good enough that you don't need full cpu power
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...as I sit here in my car waiting for my shift to start, i'm playing Castlevania: Symphony of the Night on Fpse. You can find it in the google market, and if you have any old ps1 games laying around it's worth every penny.
Works great, when i'm at home I plug the phone into my t.v. and play it that way. If anything I think it runs more smoothly when plugged into the t.v. - the audio syncs just a bit better with the same settings.
Checked my email and figured i'd cruise through here real quick before they let me in to get started.
Haven't had a chance to play with n64oid, I don't have any n64 games around anymore so I passed that one by.
About the stock ROM:
Horribly bloated, full of crap, loggers and other BS...you can find the info in a few threads around here.
If you decide to stick with the stock ROM, freeze, uninstall or kill the zipwhipgroups apk and also flash Undeadk9's security patch. Those two actions should close all known security flaws to date.
I've played with all the ROMs available, and they all offer something fun approaching the phone from different angles.
Play with them and i'm sure you'll find something (honestly...anything) better then the stock ROM.
My daily-driver keeps ending up being my own frankenstein, and once i'm basically out of a job when december hits i'm looking forward to mostly finishing it off.
Performance-wise the phone is fantastic. Even on the bloated bogged down stock ROM it still flies, and once you start flashing some of the more optimized ideas people have shared with us, you'll be even more impressed with it.
Make sure you hit up the battery thread floating around here to see why you should switch away from the stock HTC battery. I use an anker battery, and couldn't be happier - but you should see what siani_8 has to say about the Mugen batteries. Pricey, but apparently worth it. I found my anker battery for just a few bucks on amazon.
The stupid stock battery gets ( to quote another members apt description ) "Stupidly hot". Heat is death for a device like this, and whether you go with a mugen or anker, you should switch for sure if you're going to get into gaming or pushing the devices limits...otherwise you'll burn it up.
Just make sure to cruise through my backup thread, link in my sig, before you go flash happy. It'll probably make life easier for you in the long run, and it's a good review even if you're already familiar with it's contents.
Always happy to see new faces around, and you'll love the device. Best of luck!

Thank you all I read a lot about the battery issue. Considering getting one, but I might just run at 800mhz. I'm coming from a G1, and iPhone 3G. This thing fly's! But I'm having another issue, I can't root. Everything is set up right. But Rev. hangs on Zerging Root?? Or is it supposed to do that? I haven't rooted in a good 3 years. Any help is good help ;D

Also all the Emulators work, even the super buggy NDS one. I kept all my older games so I have the "Legal backup". But the games that needed the expansion pac run slow with sound on. But there on http://slideme.org/ if anybody want's them.

I'm a bit lost on performance with the MT4GS. In all my testing so far I have been getting my best benchmark score with stock rom and stock kernel without overclocking. I've tested with multpile benchmark apps and consistantly get lower scores using custom roms and kernels even while overclocked up to 1.7 Ghz. The whole thing has me baffled at this point. Using quadrant advanced I average 2100 range with all stock, compared to 1800 average using custom and overclocking. To add to my confusion, my original mytouch 4G with single core is averaging 2800 in quadrant while only overclocked to 1.1 Ghz.
I must be doing something wrong, by all rights the slide should be scoring much much higher.
Does anyone have any ideas why I'm getting my bizarre results?
Thanks much everyone.
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Usually benchmark scores that are lower are better.
Not always, but in most cases this is true.
Quadrant didn't support dual-core processors, or well, or something if I remember right. I mostly ignored it when I was benchmarking things not long ago - wasn't working right on our phone.

Say what you like about Sense, I'm not a fan of proprietary junk either, but they have the camera right on this one. There's zero shutter lag, and the camera has the features and response of a mid priced point & shoot. It's one of the best cameras in any phone, and would sell for a nice price even if there were no phone attached. And that is largely because of the Sense framework on the back end.
Because of that, I highly recommend UndeadK9's Senseless ROM. This ROM is an AOSP themed ROM but he has kept the Sense framework on the back end, but only where it benefits us. He is very sensitive to issues with the ROM and responds to (i.e. usually fixes) them very quickly. And he posts on here as if he doesn't have a life.
If you use his ROM tip the man, he deserves it.

With quadrant i was getting better scores from my mytouch 4G, but if it is only using one core then the odd results make much more sense.
One thing that has had me confused is with custom roms and kernels on the slide, when I run benchmarks, my scores are about the same regardless of being overclocked or running stock.
Based on the scores, it looks like overclocking is having no effect. I can say that there are definitely performance increases with the slider regardless of what the benchmarks say.
I did try UndeadK9's new rubix rom, so far I'm very impressed.
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Imo there is nothing wrong with the stock rom. It has very few bugs and my phone scores 4650 on antutu. I was one of the first people to get the phone, online pre, and I got the anker battery. The new security update from tmo also gave me better 4g signal. I have only three gripes with the phone.
1. It doesn't run at 1.5ghz which it is fully capable of
2. You can't name homescreen folders
3. There is no true favorites
If you want the phone just to run cm7 vanilla don't buy the phone and get a newer gx2