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with yesterdays keynotes, does anyone know when it will be coming out for the xoom? i cant wait.
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i had a confirmation from motorola that they will deliver ICS to the xoom.
They were extremely sketchy on timescales, they basically said when it goes final they'll issue the update (expected November)
Tomorrow...
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It is shame that the only major updates seem to be things achieved by ROM creations we already have...been using scrolling and re-sizable widgets for years now and custom launchers...any comments? Anyone think it is worth using it over a custom ROM?
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Yes I concur, it's tomorrow!
In the meanwhile, keep pressing F5 to refresh.
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It is shame that the only major updates seem to be things achieved by ROM creations we already have...been using scrolling and re-sizable widgets for years now and custom launchers...any comments? Anyone think it is worth using it over a custom ROM?
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From what I have read it won't be a huge difference on honeycomb, so my guess is it won't be worth it.
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It is shame that the only major updates seem to be things achieved by ROM creations we already have...been using scrolling and re-sizable widgets for years now and custom launchers...any comments? Anyone think it is worth using it over a custom ROM?
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Well, what you say is largely true, however ICS open source will allow much more development to occur and there seem to be some nice improvements even to stock, so I'm hopeful that within a few months my Xoom will be even better.
Face unlock? A pretty awesome data manager, the new people app, all core apps updated and they look pretty neat on the SDK as widgets. The new swipe to close in recent apps, and notification bar. The camera update won't be too useful for most but needed anyways. The settings menu looks revamped on tablets. Native screen shot. Larger contact pictures throughout. And we've been able to resize widgets on stock launcher for awhile, but its new on phones.
How is this not better? Yeah I'm sure tiamat will make it better once they get their hands on it but to say it won't be worth flashing is crazy imo.
What about hardware acceleration? Doesn't ICS finally usher this in and shouldn't that help with some of the lag associated with HC? To me, that is more than worth it.
Ill probably buy one lf the first ics tabs and am waiting for the nexus then will buy the sg3 if rumered specs are followed up.. The best part is unification.. I hope there is still good difference in tab and phone experience because i like different devices and enjoy the experience of each, the underlying compatibility will be awesome aspect along with better dual core support tegra 3 cant wait!!
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What about hardware acceleration? Doesn't ICS finally usher this in and shouldn't that help with some of the lag associated with HC? To me, that is more than worth it.
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HC added 2d hardware acceleration to go with 3d which was added in Gingerbread. Mine doesn't lag outside of the browser. I would say any problems with the Xoom is from the crappy Tegra2.
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HC added 2d hardware acceleration to go with 3d which was added in Gingerbread. Mine doesn't lag outside of the browser. I would say any problems with the Xoom is from the crappy Tegra2.
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Munno. I think its pretty sweet.
I know that many are excited about the 'sweetness' of ICS that's suppose to drop this month. I did have a TF Prime for 2 weeks (returned it due to issues). I miss the shiny svelte tab for sure, but it had way too many issues to deal with. No thx on being a BETA tester for ASUS unless they decide to send me a tablet for free.
Anyway it seems we've been hearing/talking about ICS for ages now (in fact it's only been 9 months or so I'd guess). When details where finally released on it, I admit I was somewhat disappointed.
Sure for people on Gingerbread, ICS is a huge step forward, but for all of us that have been using HC for up to nearly a year now, it didn't seem to offer that much.
Looking over wikipedia the only thing that I see that gets me excited is Hardware Acceleration of the UI, just about every other feature either exists in HC, is available in apps, or makes little difference to those of us using a TF101 (IMHO).
Now i will admit that once the Dev's create a stable ROM I'll drop that onto the device but I'm just not that excited for a new font. I do think that ICS being both a tablet and phone OS is good going forward for app development, and we should see those advantages play out over time in a more stable environment as well as more available apps, but as it stands currently I'm just not that excited for ICS.
I just looked at Platform stats;
Cupcake 0.6%
Donut 1.0%
Eclair 7.6%
Froyo 27.8%
Gingerbread 58.6%
Honeycomb 3.4%
Ice Cream Sandwich 1.0%
Talk about different user experiences ....WOW....I wish that Google could somehow shut down everything prior to Gingerbread, and force everyone up, with at least 37% of devices using these long outdated OS versions, it's no wonder that we constantly hear the 'fragmented' comment about Android.
I'm not sure what kind of ground breaking innovative features you were expecting in ICS. Although I agree that some of these features are available with third party apps, I believe your average everyday user will benefit from having them built in rather than needing to search through the market once they hear of some feature they would enjoy. You have to remember that we are almost surely the minority of overall Android users here on XDA compared to the general public, as we are more comfortable tinkering with our devices than others. And anything that can bring Android tablets closer to on par with the iPad, currently at the top of the tablet world, is a benefit to the Android platform and is "worth it."
As far as the fragmentation goes, I don't think the different OS versions you mentioned are what most people refer to as the "fragmentation" of Android. Rather, it is the manufacturers skin (HTC's Sense, Motorola MotoBlur, etc.) of each platform, which can be confusing to common users when switching between them. However, this is part of the beauty of Android; users can pick which skin suits them best, or as power users such as those of us on XDA can do, change the Android software if we like the hardware of the device but don't care for the software. Granted, more to your point, most iPhone users are probably on IOS 4 or above compared to those on Gingerbread or above, although I can't verify this fact with a quick Google search.
IMHO, I'm more excited to see CyanogenMod 9 on the TF101 than ICS in general. I've been a loyal user of Android Revolution HD, but I'm looking forward to see what the CM team has to offer in regards to the options/customizations available seen in every other CM ROM (AR is based on stock TF101 ROM, with plenty of enhancements of course).
If you would have tried out paulburton's ICS port you would see the truly immense differences that it brings. Honeycomb was not a finished product on is release and was only pushed out to compete with the iPad so there were a lot of things wrong with it. Now with ICS we will have a smother experience along with greater uniformity. The promise of CM9 is just the icing on the cake
Yeah I'm looking forward to CM9 on the TF101 as well...I did try out an Ipad2 after i returned my Prime. I didn't find much that i could criticize about the device ( other then price)....the thing was solid and just worked (which is more then i can say about the Prime)....I'm looking forward to the MeMo hopefully by then ICS will have been patched up to a level that makes it robust. The padphone as well looks good (and being able to use this dock is sweet)...but i do wonder if it will even make its way to NA
As for expectations for ICS....I don't know maybe I thought we'd see something revolutionary....like User profiles....more support for external devices like DVD drives... native printer support
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Yeah I'm looking forward to CM9 on the TF101 as well...I did try out an Ipad2 after i returned my Prime. I didn't find much that i could criticize about the device ( other then price)....the thing was solid and just worked (which is more then i can say about the Prime)....I'm looking forward to the MeMo hopefully by then ICS will have been patched up to a level that makes it robust. The padphone as well looks good (and being able to use this dock is sweet)...but i do wonder if it will even make its way to NA
As for expectations for ICS....I don't know maybe I thought we'd see something revolutionary....like User profiles....more support for external devices like DVD drives... native printer support
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lol its a mobile OS not linux..
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lol its a mobile OS not linux..
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Its virtual machine on top of linux so most of what he is saying could be done but would obviously be cm based or aosp done by our devs
User profiles are available already theres a root app that creates partitions for each profile or user
Printer support i know through bluetoth theres a couple apps for it but nothing native or other than wifi/bluetooth
Im just saying its good to dream and in this guys case both the things he mentioned are do-able
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I wouldn't mind being able to print web pages and graphics from the tf on my wifi printer.
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I wouldn't mind being able to print web pages and graphics from the tf on my wifi printer.
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Have a look in the market. There are printing apps from canon for example.
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I've tried the HoneyComb on a variety of Android tablets (transformer, Toshiba thrive, galaxy tab 10.1, acer, and some others), and it seems laggy: scrolling the home screen left and right lags when doing it fast. is ICS better and faster on the original transformer (for those who tried the ports)?
I'm planning on getting an EEE Transformer (not Prime) soon, before they get out of the market. Already it got sold out in 2 local shops who put them on promotion, preparing for the prime. I might find the base 16GB Wifi only for around €350.
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Have a look in the market. There are printing apps from canon for example.
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All android printing apps are printer dependent. Android has no printing layer. I think this is ridiculous. Android has much more potential for being a desktop replacement than iOS (I use it for 90% of the tasks I use my MacBook Pro for) but there is no printing layer.
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For the whiny little snots who don't think the TF101/HC is fast enough or must always have the latest versions, ICS ought to be worth it. Everything else is just evolution like Froyo -> Gingerbread. Worth it but not a game killer as long as stuff works. I prefer ICS to HC the same as I prefer GB to Froyo.
On the Prime I really noticed the speed difference in ICS, but was already 250% satisified with the TF101 speed under HC (which isn't all that different from the Prime on HC IMHO).
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im an update junkie first and foremost but i am eager for ics for other reasons as well. CM9 is awesome. But a stable release allows custom roms to pick out the latest working code. Even a semi stock but optimized rom with custom oc kernel is great.
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but was already 250% satisified with the TF101 speed under HC (which isn't all that different from the Prime on HC IMHO).
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The only thing that you must have notice was the browser speed. It lags terribly on HC during loading of the page, but from what I read it also lags on ICS sometimes, so I don't know if the update will be worth it.
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Hmmm..thanks! I never even thought to look in the market, i have a canon pixma mp495, which is listed under compatible printers with the app Canon EPP, so maybe it will work
I'll let you guys know if it is worth it. (replacing more and more functions of my laptop daily this transformer is)
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Wow. Just what i was looking for scan and print! Nice..
Brother Printer App available too
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Hmmm..thanks! I never even thought to look in the market, i have a canon pixma mp495, which is listed under compatible printers with the app Canon EPP, so maybe it will work
I'll let you guys know if it is worth it. (replacing more and more functions of my laptop daily this transformer is)
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Wow. Just what i was looking for scan and print! Nice..
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I have a brother wifi printer and there is a nice app for it. It has been updated several times since I first downloaded it. I have it on my tf and my captivate. It has helped me greatly.
For example, yesterday I picked up my daughter after work and went home. She fell asleep about 15 minutes before we got home. And, we were planning on going to dinner because we had a coupon. So, I pulled in the driveway, left the car running, let my cappy connect to my wifi and printed the coupon from my phone. My wife grabbed it and joined us in the car while my daughter continued to sleep peacefully.
I never thought a smart phone could help my daughter get a better nap until yesterday.
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The only thing that you must have notice was the browser speed. It lags terribly on HC during loading of the page, but from what I read it also lags on ICS sometimes, so I don't know if the update will be worth it.
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Opera Mobile has been my daily browser on each, so I can't say that I noticed much. Page loading in the stock still tends to be slow. What is different on the Prime, is how much faster/smoother the ICS UI is compared to HC on the Prime. I'm almost tempted to hit the force GPU rendering option in Settings -> Developer Options, just to see how wide spread it can be.
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I just looked at Platform stats;
Cupcake 0.6%
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You should see Apple's OS fragmentation, it's MUCH worse than that. Steve Jobs was a liar when we told the world of Android fragmentation.
Fragmentation plagues any device with frequent OS changes..I'm still on Windows XP on one PC, windows Vista on two of them, and Win7 on another PC..also, my wife has gingerbread on her phone, I have honeycomb on my tab, and ICS on my (identical model to my wife's) phone. Eh..any technology that becomes so quickly updated and made obsolete so easily will create such fragmentation..people can't always afford to upgrade just because their device is replaced with a new model, some people just don't like change even when OS updates are available. This is also exacerbated when the old OS will not run on older devices thus updates are not possible for many people who would like to have them. Perhaps ICS will run for a while until Jelly Bean comes out and allow old froyo and GB devices to leave the market and consumers retire them, and more devices will be consolidated on Android 4.x- will certainly make developing cross-platform apps easier to achieve.
Of course, now that I have ICS, I can't wait to see what JB is going to add to my device..
Yes it will. Because of this: https://market.android.com/details?id=com.android.chrome - I want ICS NOW!
Well... we are all waiting gor official ICS to come to gtab+ , but now google releases new android 4.1...what an unfortunate for us..
We waited for AGES to get ICS, and till now we havent got it yet, i ask, till when we wait for JB?
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Probably 4-6 months. I saw an article where the reporter reached out to Samsung about updates, and they said they would seek to update their devices as possible. I personally think Google's push to make it available on Nexus and Motorola Xoom will force other manufacturers to provide Jelly Bean quickly if they want to sell their devices in the future.
It's not entirely a new huge platform jump of Android(Like Gingerbread to ICS) so it might not take that much time to update. A preview build was given to GN users OTA which is a good sign. I do look forward at the these features though:
Project Butter
Android 4.0 was a major upgrade from 2.3 Gingerbread, bringing a whole new interface and speed improvements. Jelly Bean improves on that, with something Google is calling “Project Butter.” This helps make the whole OS feel 100x faster and smoother, running at an insane 60 FPS.
Home screen customization has also been improved. Widgets will now wrap around the space available to them, so you won’t need to go through the hassle process of moving around icons and widgets.
Offline Voice Dictation
Google has not only made more improvements to the keyboard in Android 4.1 JB, but they’ve also brought offline voice dictation. This means that you won’t need a network connection in order to use voice dictation anymore, unlike Siri voice dictation, which needs a constant connection. Unfortunately, this feature is currently only available in US English, but Google promises that more language support will be coming soon.
The keyboard has also made other vast improvements in predictive text input, meaning that the keyboard thinks about what you are going to type before you even type it.
Notifications
In Android 4.0 ICS, we received the ability to view our notifications from our lockscreen, and access an app right through them. Android 4.1 JB takes this even farther, and allows you to do an action without even accessing the app, all from your notifications window pane.
For example, if someone calls you and you miss it, a notification obviously appears. When you swipe down, you can immediately choose to call the person back, or you can message them if you’d like, all directly from your notification window pane. If you’re currently calling someone and decide to hang up, you can just drag the notification window pane down and end the call from right there. Simple and Easy.
Google has also improved the way Social Networks and 3rd-Party apps are integrated with notifications. If you receive a Google+ photo, you’ll see a preview right from the lockscreen, without even having to access the Google+ app. You can comment and +1 on the photo right from your notification window pane, and quickly get back to what you were doing before.
3rd party developers also have great new features that they can integrate into their apps. Pulse, a popular social news reader, has the ability to show you the days’s top news-just by swiping the notification.
Now hold on a sec, once we get the Ics sources we should be able to port aosp jb to GT+ ain't I right?
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Now hold on a sec, once we get the Ics sources we should be able to port aosp jb to GT+ ain't I right?
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I think you are right
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Now hold on a sec, once we get the Ics sources we should be able to port aosp jb to GT+ ain't I right?
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Hmm.. maybe yes.. just keep hoping..
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I'm going to just come out and say it, JB will probably not happen on the 7+, look at how long it took them to give us ICS with them already having released an ICS tablet almost identical to ours months ago. maybe the tab 2 will get it. But who knows maybe they will screw them too and make a tab 3.
im thinking 90% most likely officially won't ever happen, which is why i'm dropping samsung for the nexus 7
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I'm going to just come out and say it, JB will probably not happen on the 7+, look at how long it took them to give us ICS with them already having released an ICS tablet almost identical to ours months ago. maybe the tab 2 will get it. But who knows maybe they will screw them too and make a tab 3.
im thinking 90% most likely officially won't ever happen, which is why i'm dropping samsung for the nexus 7
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Yeah.. btw i'm slapping my face when seeing the price n performance by nexus 7. Gonna throw 7+ outta house.
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Yeah.. btw i'm slapping my face when seeing the price n performance by nexus 7. Gonna throw 7+ outta house.
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I'm tempted too, but the absence of a micro-sd slot is making me reconsider...
All we need is ics then we can make this a much better tab than nexus.
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just read that Flash is not supported in JellyBean. Flash Player will be removed from the store August 15th. If you already have it, you will get minor fixes/updates/etc.
Sure I agree flash is old, outdated and a hog. I think they should keep it though.
No micro SD on the Nexus 7? Wow!
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just read that Flash is not supported in JellyBean. Flash Player will be removed from the store August 15th. If you already have it, you will get minor fixes/updates/etc.
Sure I agree flash is old, outdated and a hog. I think they should keep it though.
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From what I understand, Flash is only unsupported in the Chrome browser, but you should still be able to use it for other browsers like Dolphin.
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I'm tempted too, but the absence of a micro-sd slot is making me reconsider...
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I'm in the same boat; but regardless I've bought my last Samsung product. Either I learn to deal with the cloud and no microSD storage, or I wait for someone else to come out with a similar product (maybe a 7.7 screen like the upcoming Toshiba Excite).
But no more Samsung.
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All we need is ics then we can make this a much better tab than nexus.
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Well i think we cant. The specs in nexus 7 is way too high. And JB is said to improve the cpu and gpu performance ?
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Well i think we cant. The specs in nexus 7 is way too high. And JB is said to improve the cpu and gpu performance ?
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I agree. Higher Res, twice the cores, and JB. I placed my order for the 16gb model. Ill miss the SD, but I think I'll be happy. But I won't sell my 7+ just yet.
If you're gonna talk about specs, Nexus S has a worst one than ours and yet it will receive the JB update. Since our device is very similar to the Galaxy SII, which is sure to get JB(I think), then we will too. It's a matter of patience again because of the lack of interest on our devices.
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If you're gonna talk about specs, Nexus S has a worst one than ours and yet it will receive the JB update. Since our device is very similar to the Galaxy SII, which is sure to get JB(I think), then we will too. It's a matter of patience again because of the lack of interest on our devices.
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Nexus= google experience devices. Big difference.
I'm wondering what CrisisCore meant by this being a better tablet than the Nexus if we get ICS? In terms of specs, it's lower resolution and last-gen processor. Sure, it's got microSD and back camera, but really it's hard to argue with speed and resolution. On top of that, there will be far more development on that tablet due to a larger user-base (understatement of the year...). But I'm new to this device, so I'm curious if you know something I'm missing?
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Precisely. "The Cloud" is an interesting concept but unless you have an avenue to connect anywhere at anytime (3/4G + WiFi) it's not as useful as one would desire.
No uSD will most always be a deal-breaker for me.
It'll take a long time. Remember FroYo to Gingerbread on the Galaxy S I series??
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First, Apple are suing the hell out of Android so it probably won't last long anyway
Now no flash support either?? One of the only things Android had over Apple is gone.
Might as well just get a phone that does the same thing and looks much better (instead of every Android phone just getting bigger and uglier)
P.S. this doesn't go without a big F**K YOU to Adobe as well :good:
Edit: okay, I can't bring myself to buy any Apple product other than an OG iPod, so I might just get a Nokia 3310...
They won't be able to do much outside the US where the patent system isn't so messed up. I'm sure Android will live, but if not in the US, then imported. Although I doubt it will die in the US anyways.
Also, you must have lived under a rock for a very long time. Adobe Flash is an extremely old technology. It is a 19 year old goddam technology and its STILL being updated! This is just a small part of the transition to HTML5
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They won't be able to do much outside the US where the patent system isn't so messed up. I'm sure Android will live, but if not in the US, then imported. Although I doubt it will die in the US anyways.
Also, you must have lived under a rock for a very long time. Adobe Flash is an extremely old technology. It is a 19 year old goddam technology and its STILL being updated! This is just a small part of the transition to HTML5
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thanks for the reply
what I mean is, I know Flash is old (and sucks, and has always sucked and been buggy/the main cause of browsers crashing, etc..) but now Android 4.0.x won't support Flash at all
There is a workaround but it involves installing DolphinHD web browser or something
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There is a workaround but it involves installing DolphinHD web browser or something
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Which isn't a problem at all, and you should do this anyway because it's (one of) the best browser(s) for Android.
1 - Apple isn't doing **** about Android its mostly Samsung hardware, android is going no where.
2 - current ics has flash plus all u need to do is Download an apk for flash to work on jelly bean.
3- most android phones look totally different
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3- most android phones look totally different
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Unlike all iOS phones. They all look the same.
Might want to give WP8 a shot.
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thanks for the reply
what I mean is, I know Flash is old (and sucks, and has always sucked and been buggy/the main cause of browsers crashing, etc..) but now Android 4.0.x won't support Flash at all
There is a workaround but it involves installing DolphinHD web browser or something
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Get your facts straight killer. 4.0.anything still supports flash...Adobe is just not updating the app. Not a big deal since sites are going away from flash, so a further update should not be needed. You can sideload flashplayer (can be found NUMEROUS places on XDA) onto any android version. I am currently running 4.1, and flash works just fine. Just because you read it on the internet doesn't make it true...
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Get your facts straight killer. 4.0.anything still supports flash...Adobe is just not updating the app. Not a big deal since sites are going away from flash, so a further update should not be needed. You can sideload flashplayer (can be found NUMEROUS places on XDA) onto any android version. I am currently running 4.1, and flash works just fine. Just because you read it on the internet doesn't make it true...
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I was thinking the same thing, but the fact I upgraded my SXE to 4.0.3 and now, even though Flash is installed it says "this site requires flash" on every flash site that worked beforemakes it true.
That Act I would describe something as "Somebody put fire on his/her house in fear of rats"....lol....
A patent infringement suit for something like 'Rectangular shape with rounded corners' ( even if they belieive they invented it- if search internet u will see there were products with that shape before ipad) or tap to call if its a phone number is not Andorid OS's core...
If u check here u can see there were not only claims by apple but also against apple too.. They also violated many n settled even with nokia n cisco etc...
Even brand iPhone was Cisico's before Apple , i believe they had only 'i'. They had Voip phone with that brand name... Now they go all over Android phone companies for small small claims coz their butts gets heated up when sitting on those big cupertino seats watching the growth of Android phones....
Even their much hyped 'Siri' is being laughed at...
http://youtu.be/grmixtB9dZM?hd=1&t=3m14s
Edit : Flash issue is a matter of time when HTML5 support built into the browsers . Adobe said on announcement that HTML5 is here as it supports flash
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1 - Apple isn't doing **** about Android its mostly Samsung hardware, android is going no where.
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Apple was just awarded 25 patents on iOS for things like pinch to zoom and notification bar so they will most likely now come after android. Check the thread its ridiculous
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Apple was just awarded 25 patents on iOS for things like pinch to zoom and notification bar so they will most likely now come after android. Check the thread its ridiculous
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Notification bar? NOTIFICATION BAR??? You mean the one that was on Android since 1.5 cupcake and iOS blatantly copied in iOS 5 is now theirs???
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Notification bar? NOTIFICATION BAR??? You mean the one that was on Android since 1.5 cupcake and iOS blatantly copied in iOS 5 is now theirs???
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Well transparent or disappearing notification bar to be more precise. Basically everything about the touch screen based user interface though yes.
Here's the link check it out. Bananas.
http://rootzwiki.com/news/_/articles/apples-latest-patents-could-spell-doom-for-android-r977
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How can they say they invented touch screen n pinch gesture even those technologies date back to even 1982-83.... its like siri , the technology they aquired, but they intvented lol
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Well transparent or disappearing notification bar to be more precise. Basically everything about the touch screen based user interface though yes.
Here's the link check it out. Bananas.
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No need to worry. On June of this year 6 US Senators teamed up to address the mobile technology patent situation. To make a long story short, they said that patents like this need to fall under FRAND...meaning Apple has to license them under reasonable terms. They are saying that once these features hit the market, they are considered standard essential. For example...a touch screen. If a judge says no one can use a touchscreen because apple has it patented, in theory, no other smartphone will offer competition..therefore apple has to license it out. Also, be wary of what you read in those kinds of articles, especially on rootzwiki. It is written by someone who volunteered to write for them and has no real journalism or reporting experience.
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My One S arrived... it's too damn sexy to send back lol
I'm simply confused of why does asus release updates on the lower end model?
I ditched the 300 for the infinity, and never looked behind but now it kind of backfires, i'm still hoping 4.2 will solve some of the lag issues, i just don't understand why the 300 is smoother with lower specs, ( dont bring screen res in this please )
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ray3andrei said:
i just don't understand why the 300 is smoother with lower specs, ( dont bring screen res in this please )
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Sounds to me like you don't want to understand.
ray3andrei said:
I'm simply confused of why does asus release updates on the lower end model?
I ditched the 300 for the infinity, and never looked behind but now it kind of backfires, i'm still hoping 4.2 will solve some of the lag issues, i just don't understand why the 300 is smoother with lower specs, ( dont bring screen res in this please )
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Well if you would ask me i would say they are experimenting on the lower end tablet before updating their flagship. I know many won't agree with me and though Tein from Asus said that the teams for software development of each of the devices are different I would say why would Asus openly admit that they are testing out their firmware on tf300t. That would outrage tf300t owners.
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Well if you would ask me i would say they are experimenting on the lower end tablet before updating their flagship. I know many won't agree with me and though Tein from Asus said that the teams for software development of each of the devices are different I would say why would Asus openly admit that they are testing out their firmware on tf300t. That would outrage tf300t owners.
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+1 right on bro!!
Didn't we already discuss 4.2 and TF300 and the release here? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2178399
If you don't want to hear "Because of the screen resolution", don't ask the question to which that is the answer. Again, this has been discussed a thousand times.
Deja vu....
And no, there are different development teams... They are different enough devices that even the features on the firmwares are different.
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If you tell me that the screen res is what's causing the problem i'll return the tablet right now, it has a powerful gpu that is capable of running more pixels on some very basic graphics, and a cpu that is even more powerful so dont throw that **** at me that the tf300 is smoother because of the screen res. Sure 3d gaming is where the tf300 outperforms because of the res, but in menu's i bet its something else
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If you tell me that the screen res is what's causing the problem i'll return the tablet right now, it has a powerful gpu that is capable of running more pixels on some very basic graphics, and a cpu that is even more powerful so dont throw that **** at me that the tf300 is smoother because of the screen res. Sure 3d gaming is where the tf300 outperforms because of the res, but in menu's i bet its something else
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The screen res no matter still has something to do with it. On cyanogen 10.1 it is very smooth, in Cromi it is fast but doesnt seem as smooth as cyanogen. I think that is the difference between 4.1.x and 4.2.x. And the bloatware on the tf700 by ASUS seems to be what slows in down tremondously. Also drivers are an issue on it as well. The bloatware when taken away, in Cromi's case, leaves a very fast tablet. ASUS should take some advice from sbdags LOL.
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I do not believe 4.2.1 (or 4.2.2) will solve any of the problems we've been running into -- it might even make them far worse.
@ray3andrei: I'd sell the 700 if I were you. It makes at leats two people on this Earth significantly happier: you, and me. You because you will no longer have to put up with this mediocre POS-in-your-view, and me for not visiting a forum and seeing a "question" posted that has been answred before, and before... Nothing personal in that, mind you, but we all do our best in here to help anyone with issues out, and no one in here has been on the design team for the TF700. Whining won't help -- put your wallet where your opinion is: away from ASUS.
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I do not believe 4.2.1 (or 4.2.2) will solve any of the problems we've been running into -- it might even make them far worse.
@ray3andrei: I'd sell the 700 if I were you. It makes at leats two people on this Earth significantly happier: you, and me. You because you will no longer have to put up with this mediocre POS-in-your-view, and me for not visiting a forum and seeing a "question" posted that has been answred before, and before... Nothing personal in that, mind you, but we all do our best in here to help anyone with issues out, and no one in here has been on the design team for the TF700. Whining won't help -- put your wallet where your opinion is: away from ASUS.
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lol you made my day, all the negative responses, and btw the question was about 4.2 not the lagginess of the tablet, and i have a lot of asus products and im very happy with them,
XDA is just great right now with members like you, nothing personal bro
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lol you made my day, all the negative responses, and btw the question was about 4.2 not the lagginess of the tablet, and i have a lot of asus products and im very happy with them,
XDA is just great right now with members like you, nothing personal bro and last time i checked no1 forces you to post or read this
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I'm simply confused of why does asus release updates on the lower end model?
I ditched the 300 for the infinity, and never looked behind but now it kind of backfires, i'm still hoping 4.2 will solve some of the lag issues, i just don't understand why the 300 is smoother with lower specs, ( dont bring screen res in this please)
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lol you made my day, all the negative responses, and btw the question was about 4.2 not the lagginess of the tablet, and i have a lot of asus products and im very happy with them,
XDA is just great right now with members like you, nothing personal bro
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Get your act together -- you specifically said in your OP that you hoped 4.2 fixed the lag issues. SELL THE 700 AND BUY AN IPAD.
EDIT: How the hell can you tell XDA has gone downhill when you only registered in June 2012, probably when you got your 700? Pffff...
ray3andrei said:
lol you made my day, all the negative responses, and btw the question was about 4.2 not the lagginess of the tablet, and i have a lot of asus products and im very happy with them,
XDA is just great right now with members like you, nothing personal bro
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You asked a question in which you didnt want to be given the answer that is the answer. Yes there are bugs in the Rom but you cannot expect people to give you answer they dont have or you dont want given to you. 4.2 will eventually be released for the tf700, why they released it on the 300 first idk, maybe there was more bugs to work out on the tf700 than on the 300. If you are not happy with the tf700 then go back to the 300. Other then that there are no other answers to be given.
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They always release stuff for the TF300 first. I would imagine that it has a larger user base and that it's a bit of a guinea pig release for them. I have noted that with previous releases that Asus are fairly quick and knocking out updates to fix things and then the TF700 gets the new patched release as its first release. This is what happened with 4.1.1
Not sure why everyone keeps asserting that they are somehow using the tf300 to improve the update before releasing to the tf700 crowd. Just because it has some logic behind it does not mean that Asus is in any way as logical as your reasoning.
I repeat, Tien has stated in no uncertain terms that the development teams are different and if you look at the features of the devices, they are similar but not the same in most cases, but different enough to require different teams and feature support.
Sdbags... U da man, but sorry, as illogical as it is, Asus is sharing little from one team to the other. It is a total crap shoot at this point what features get implemented and what bugs carry over from one device to another. This has upset me from the beginning and been a point of contention with my many transformer users whom I support in a corporate setting.
As far as I am concerned, they should get some help from the talented developers here, like yourself to get this running properly.
The tf300 is a lower priced device and they are less concerned about backlash from upset users who pay as much as an iPad to get a high end device... They can always claim that it is an entry level device when issues occur with the tf300.
If you look at the features that the 700 has, you can see that there are some additional things that need to be supported before releasing it. IPS+, resolution, different CPU/GPU profiles, support for more ps3 controller profiles, the list goes on.
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Not sure why everyone keeps asserting that they are somehow using the tf300 to improve the update before releasing to the tf700 crowd. Just because it has some logic behind it does not mean that Asus is in any way as logical as your reasoning.
I repeat, Tien has stated in no uncertain terms that the development teams are different and if you look at the features of the devices, they are similar but not the same in most cases, but different enough to require different teams and feature support.
Sdbags... U da man, but sorry, as illogical as it is, Asus is sharing little from one team to the other. It is a total crap shoot at this point what features get implemented and what bugs carry over from one device to another. This has upset me from the beginning and been a point of contention with my many transformer users whom I support in a corporate setting.
As far as I am concerned, they should get some help from the talented developers here, like yourself to get this running properly.
The tf300 is a lower priced device and they are less concerned about backlash from upset users who pay as much as an iPad to get a high end device... They can always claim that it is an entry level device when issues occur with the tf300.
If you look at the features that the 700 has, you can see that there are some additional things that need to be supported before releasing it. IPS+, resolution, different CPU/GPU profiles, support for more ps3 controller profiles, the list goes on.
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Having examined the rom files for the TF700 and TF300 the two devices are a lot closer than you think. The firmwares also share many similarities. In fact a TF300 file and a TF700 file are 99% the exact same files so I don't buy the fact that the dev teams don't talk or are different. They are clearly sharing the same source and at times sharing the same outputs.
If you take a TF700 rom and flash it on a TF300 even with a TF700 kernel everything works except the front facing camera. I believe the hardware is different thus causing that. Otherwise they work the same. Even TF300 users have success overclocking to the same speeds as TF700 users..... The reverse is also true - in fact they don't remove the higher res files form the TF300 because in my opinion it is easier to build one version that fits both.
If I were them I would release new stuff to one user base first, get the bugs ironed out and then release to the higher end user base. Seems very logical and a very good IT release strategy to me. And in fact this is what they did with the JB 4.1.1 release and they appear to be doing with the 4.2.1 release. There is no release date for the TF700. Why? Imo (not based on any facts of course) they are waiting to see if it works well. If so they release a version of it for the TF700, if not they patch the TF300 and we wait a bit longer. So far the reviews from the TF300 users is good - no major bugs (unlike the 4.2 google nexus release) so I expect us to have the TF700 version in the first week of April if history repeats itself.
You make a lot of sense man, if I had not heard it from tien and Gary, I wouldn't believe it either. And as much as I agree with your logic, it's just not the case... They both start with the same base from Google, add their custom framework- that IS 99% of the code. They are very close, but as you have seen with the camera, they are not the same device... Bad strategy, I agree.
The only "facts" I have are what the reps have said in dealing with troubleshooting those devices with Asus.
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Get your act together -- you specifically said in your OP that you hoped 4.2 fixed the lag issues. SELL THE 700 AND BUY AN IPAD.
EDIT: How the hell can you tell XDA has gone downhill when you only registered in June 2012, probably when you got your 700? Pffff...
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I had an ipad and sold it, because i didnt like it, and i got my tf700 before june, aaaand i like the tablet tbh. And yeah i said i hope 4.2 fixes the lag issues but thats not what im focusing on,
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You asked a question in which you didnt want to be given the answer that is the answer. Yes there are bugs in the Rom but you cannot expect people to give you answer they dont have or you dont want given to you. 4.2 will eventually be released for the tf700, why they released it on the 300 first idk, maybe there was more bugs to work out on the tf700 than on the 300. If you are not happy with the tf700 then go back to the 300. Other then that there are no other answers to be given.
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I asked that where exactly?
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ray3andrei said:
I asked that where exactly?
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Here:
ray3andrei said:
... i just don't understand why the 300 is smoother with lower specs, ( dont bring screen res in this please )...
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ray3andrei said:
I had an ipad and sold it, because i didnt like it, and i got my tf700 before june, aaaand i like the tablet tbh. And yeah i said i hope 4.2 fixes the lag issues but thats not what im focusing on,
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Wat other improvement are you expecting from 4.2 then? Muti-user capability? Hardly game-chaning, isn't it? Very few users actually use it on the devices that provide the capability.