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https://www.dropbox.com/s/hghivtnkhejph4r/P1010443.JPG
On top is my Galaxy Note II, and on the bottom is my Galaxy Note 3. Not sure if it's all devices or its just on some including mine. It is adjusted by firmware as other galaxy models have demonstrated in the past, so I think it will probably be adjusted in a firmware update in the future, but I just thought I would share. I had my device on at full brightness with auto adjust screen tones off. Then I took a 15 second exposure on my DSLR to confirm that at least "2", and "1" are indeed crushed, and the pixels representing the block for those numbers emit no light at all.
The mess around the numbers are probably jpeg artifacts.
I got the file from an old Galaxy Note (1) thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1559800
Here's a copy of the file. It may look mostly black, but it's not. You would need to look at it in a dark room to see it on maximum brightness.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/4fale5naqlpbwei/gammatest-xda.png
I dont understand these stupid threads that pop up every time a device shows up, every single time a freakin new device comes up, some guys start putting the screen under the microscope to check for inconsistencies. Whats the point of this? Does your screen look nice when you use it? YES IT DOES, then why scrutinize every single little aspect of it just to show it has some imperfection? Ridiculous
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I dont understand these stupid threads that pop up every time a device shows up, every single time a freakin new device comes up, some guys start putting the screen under the microscope to check for inconsistencies. Whats the point of this? Does your screen look nice when you use it? YES IT DOES, then why scrutinize every single little aspect of it just to show it has some imperfection? Ridiculous
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I know, right?!
I also don't understand how some guys who see a "pointless" thread have the need to take actual time from their supposedly busy lives to bash the threads instead of simply moving on with their lives, understanding that they aren't the standard-setters for what is or isn't important to other people.
Not this again, I remember people bleeting about this in the S2 days, if it does have a small issue, who cares, it's not like your TV where you watch media on it all the while you're at home. Think I can cope with the small issue with occasional film I may watch on it.
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Before everyone freaks out, here's some background. The issue OP's discussing has been around since the first AMOLED display. It's varied in severity on different models of Samsung phones.
Here's a SGS3 vs. N2 comparison done by SuperCurio...
Here's the video with SuperCurio explaining the issue...
Here's OP's N2 vs. N3 comparison...
Compared to other Samsung devices the issue on the N3 is relatively minor. It can also vary from display to display and updates have impacted it before. As OP said, the issue's pretty minor on the N3; at least to compared to some of Samsung's other phones. OP, is the device you're using pre-release or production (retail)?
It is what it is. From what's been shown I'm not concerned. Let's see some more sample's from production phones from different regions before we all freak out.
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I dont understand these stupid threads that pop up every time a device shows up, every single time a freakin new device comes up, some guys start putting the screen under the microscope to check for inconsistencies. Whats the point of this? Does your screen look nice when you use it? YES IT DOES, then why scrutinize every single little aspect of it just to show it has some imperfection? Ridiculous
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I totally agree with you !
polish_pat said:
I dont understand these stupid threads that pop up every time a device shows up, every single time a freakin new device comes up, some guys start putting the screen under the microscope to check for inconsistencies. Whats the point of this? Does your screen look nice when you use it? YES IT DOES, then why scrutinize every single little aspect of it just to show it has some imperfection? Ridiculous
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Hey I'm glad the OP posted it. I'm spending $700+ on this device, I would like to know every software glitch, every hardware imperfection, any flaws major or minor exposed. Just because it's Samsung's top of the line phone doesn't mean it deserves a free pass from scrutiny like it's some paragon of hardware excellence.
I don't get why people get so defensive about a piece of electronic. Ya'll working for Samsung's engineering department or what?
Thanks for letting us know, Mike. Hope to see more youtube videos from you about the note3.
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Hey I'm glad the OP posted it. I'm spending $700+ on this device, I would like to know every software glitch, every hardware imperfection, any flaws major or minor exposed. Just because it's Samsung's top of the line phone doesn't mean it deserves a free pass from scrutiny like it's some paragon of hardware excellence.
I don't get why people get so defensive about a piece of electronic. Ya'll working for Samsung's engineering department or what?
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Even when you buy a 5000$ laptop, screen bleeding and dead pixels will be there and they are accepted as being an industry standard. The real issue is it doesnt affect in any way how you use or enjoy the device, so why complain. All devices i had, had an XDA thread with hundreds of people that compalined about greens that are too green, or "blobs" for those that had an S3....its ridiculous. Thats how screens are made, they arent perfect
This post brings me back those very unpleasent memories of black clipping which suffered my first Samsung Galaxy Note.(quivering)
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Even when you buy a 5000$ laptop, screen bleeding and dead pixels will be there and they are accepted as being an industry standard. The real issue is it doesnt affect in any way how you use or enjoy the device, so why complain. All devices i had, had an XDA thread with hundreds of people that compalined about greens that are too green, or "blobs" for those that had an S3....its ridiculous. Thats how screens are made, they arent perfect
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accepted by you maybe... I'd make them eat the laptop if they didn't give me what was advertised.
and in daily use when are you going to notice this? i had a note 2 for 6 months and didnt have an issue. you guys get too worried and worked up about such little stuff
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Hey I'm glad the OP posted it. I'm spending $700+ on this device, I would like to know every software glitch, every hardware imperfection, any flaws major or minor exposed. Just because it's Samsung's top of the line phone doesn't mean it deserves a free pass from scrutiny like it's some paragon of hardware excellence.
I don't get why people get so defensive about a piece of electronic. Ya'll working for Samsung's engineering department or what?
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I agree. It's more so awareness rather than complaining about it. To be blindsided with issues post purchase would be worse than knowing walking into it
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accepted by you maybe... I'd make them eat the laptop if they didn't give me what was advertised.
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Its not accepted by me, its an industry standard. Do you know what that means? ISO certification of screen allow 3-5 dead pixels and screen bleeding
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I don't get why people get so defensive about a piece of electronic. Ya'll working for Samsung's engineering department or what?
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It's not the "what," it's the "how." I'm tired of scintillating thread titles declaring the end of the world as we know it backed up by little evidence or circumstantial opinion as their basis. Your "the N3 lags like the SGS4" thread comes to mind. You started it based on something you saw in an Italian review that turned out to be the opposite of what you posted once it was translated by an Italian XDA member.
I do agree with you though. I want to know what the issues (and there are bound to be issues) with the N3 are. But I'd like some context (when, where, how many, and how often) to go along with them so I can figure out what they'll mean to me. Spoiler alert: if I have to lock myself in a dark room and adjust settings to levels I'd never normally use to replicate a problem then, for me, it's not a problem. Of course YMMV.
This thread's a good example of how to introduce an issue. OP titled the thread "minor" rather than using "OMG!!!" and "THIS IS AWFUL!!!" and posted documentation to support what he found. That leaves it up to the audience to form their own opinions. And whether it's what OP posted or other issues that have been discussed the friggin' phone isn't even in people's hands yet. So disaster could be on the horizon in a number of areas but it's a bit too early to declare "the sky is falling."
Peace out.
Adapt display
I saw an "adapt display" option in this Note 3 video: http://youtu.be/S2Yr7PvgKQw?t=8m52s
Do you think calibrating the screen with it would solve the problem?
vgergo said:
I saw an "adapt display" option in this Note 3 video: http://youtu.be/S2Yr7PvgKQw?t=8m52s
Do you think calibrating the screen with it would solve the problem?
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adapt display has nothing to do with calibration, just like in the S4, it just changes color saturation
I can't believe u ****s are still buying Samsung phone since u know they have black crush issue.if amoled bothers u so much,why buy Samsung phone.u can go buy HTC of lg.every device have some issues even ur beloved I phones.stop with these stupid threads.if you have to find faults with microscopes then tell everyone to check their phones.only reason I'm posting because of some people want perfect phone keep calling for warranty replacement and when I have real issue with my phone then att gives me hard time replacing it.
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I can't believe u ****s are still buying Samsung phone since u know they have black crush issue.if amoled bothers u so much,why buy Samsung phone.u can go buy HTC of lg.every device have some issues even ur beloved I phones.stop with these stupid threads.if you have to find faults with microscopes then tell everyone to check their phones.only reason I'm posting because of some people want perfect phone keep calling for warranty replacement and when I have real issue with my phone then at gives me hard time replacing it.
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would you mind me quoting/linking your post to my signature?
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Its not accepted by me, its an industry standard. Do you know what that means? ISO certification of screen allow 3-5 dead pixels and screen bleeding
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Thank god industry standard just means how much they can get away with before enough people feed their laptops back to them. Never take crap laying down. Always complain if you feel like something's not right. How else would things change for the better?
Hey there,
see, I'm not really the impatient kind of guy, I have lived through all the LG G4 issues, I had my deviced repaired three times. People make mistakes, so do major companies.
But one thing I really don't fancy is the feeling of being mocked. Right now, I'm really considering returning my XZP and kissing Sony good bye for good.
Here's why:
My smartphone has some random weird bugs:
- the front facing speaks just switch off randomly until restart
- the screen sometimes flickers until I turn adaptive illumination off and on again
- did anyone here check only reviews? Most hail the camera for its impressive quality. What quality!? My old G4 beats the XZP under all conditions, the G2 is at least very very close - and it's now four years old.
- and the distortion issue.
I mentioned a few things on the Sony forum and for some weird reason all of these threads just disappear into thin air. When contacting the Sony support, they'd advise me to do a software reset (MoFo please!).
Is this a bad joke? Is that how Sony wants to get back in the game of top-notch smartphones? I'm beginning to understand all the promos for those who preordered - they knew what they had coming.
Really, it's kind of hard to get me pi**ed but I'm kinda pi**ed.
Can't you replace it if you think your unit is defective alternative return it?
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Can't you replace it if you think your unit is defective alternative return it?
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Yea, sure. But that is not what I meant. It's not about returning and having it repaired (what btw will not happen if they don't even acknowledge the issue), it's about how they deal with that. I mean, especially talking of the distortion issue - that is not just me. That is most likely with all devices or at least a very very big share. How come they just ignore that? LG or even Apple, they are at least straight when they make mistakes.
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Yea, sure. But that is not what I meant. It's not about returning and having it repaired (what btw will not happen if they don't even acknowledge the issue), it's about how they deal with that. I mean, especially talking of the distortion issue - that is not just me. That is most likely with all devices or at least a very very big share. How come they just ignore that? LG or even Apple, they are at least straight when they make mistakes.
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And here I just picked up two Premiums haha. Sorry that you're unhappy.
I don't think Sony is ignoring anything. But it is not even fully released yet around the world. I am sure they are aware of the issues and "hopefully" will come up with a patch to remedy all the big issues. As for your particular phone you may have received a lemon and simply need to replace it. I can appreciate the major hassle of doing such a thing but it is an unfortunate reality in today's world. I say all this as an owner of the black version of the xz premium and I love it. I am not having the major issues that some are having. Got it from the UK.
Most definitely a defective unit. Speakers turning off until restart? Not gonna have any of that lol. RETURN FOR ANOTHER UNIT IF POSSIBLE!
My own case is different, I feel like I've got the best device for me at the moment.
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pre-ordered mine today and will be in hand Sunday morning, hopefully this batch of us units are better and don't face any of these issues. I'll exchange till I'm happy or get refunded. I seem to get lucky with my Sony products so crossing fingers.
I'm just going to leave this here...
This is a link to a post I made on Sony's forum a while ago. Personally I think you have a faulty unit but you never know, maybe the history likes to repeat itself?
https://talk.sonymobile.com/t5/Xperia-XZ-Premium/Things-to-consider-when-placing-the-XZ-Premium-pre-order/td-p/1216037
Are you at it again.
You must have a faulty unit. Return it mines been great!
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Hey there,
see, I'm not really the impatient kind of guy, I have lived through all the LG G4 issues, I had my deviced repaired three times. People make mistakes, so do major companies.
But one thing I really don't fancy is the feeling of being mocked. Right now, I'm really considering returning my XZP and kissing Sony good bye for good.
Here's why:
My smartphone has some random weird bugs:
- the front facing speaks just switch off randomly until restart
- the screen sometimes flickers until I turn adaptive illumination off and on again
- did anyone here check only reviews? Most hail the camera for its impressive quality. What quality!? My old G4 beats the XZP under all conditions, the G2 is at least very very close - and it's now four years old.
- and the distortion issue.
I mentioned a few things on the Sony forum and for some weird reason all of these threads just disappear into thin air. When contacting the Sony support, they'd advise me to do a software reset (MoFo please!).
Is this a bad joke? Is that how Sony wants to get back in the game of top-notch smartphones? I'm beginning to understand all the promos for those who preordered - they knew what they had coming.
Really, it's kind of hard to get me pi**ed but I'm kinda pi**ed.
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Genuinely not suffering any of those issues!
Shnig said:
Genuinely not suffering any of those issues!
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Well you definitely are suffering from the distortion issue, all XZP phones have it. Open up a grid pattern on your PC screen or take a picture of a brick wall. You will definitely notice a pincushion deformation at the edges of the picture.
Me too
As mentioned, all XZP have it. All. No exceptions - Sony confirmed this already .
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For god's sake, who would take picture of perfectly square grid on a daily basis?
This is just like those idiots who bought a thousand dollars wide angle DSLR lens and complain about distortion by shooting only brick walls all day.
Wide angle has distortion! It is tough to get rid of it physically in the glass already for full size camera, let alone getting rid of it in a lens the size of a pea!
If the lens on the phone can be that perfect, you will be paying well over $1000 for the phone itself!
If camera is all you care, go get Huawei's P9/P10!
To OP, seriously, replace your phone, many users aren't having same issues as you do meaning yours is faulty!
It is much more realistic to physically go replace it than to whine about it online! Finding sympathy in virtual world will get you no where, this goes the same for all other brands!
Let Sony gets your faulty unit to examine, and to prevent same thing from happening in future phones is much more realistic than raising waves online with all sorts of words.
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For god's sake, who would take picture of perfectly square grid on a daily basis?
This is just like those idiots who bought a thousand dollars wide angle DSLR lens and complain about distortion by shooting only brick walls all day.
Wide angle has distortion! It is tough to get rid of it physically in the glass already for full size camera, let alone getting rid of it in a lens the size of a pea!
If the lens on the phone can be that perfect, you will be paying well over $1000 for the phone itself!
If camera is all you care, go get Huawei's P9/P10!
To OP, seriously, replace your phone, many users aren't having same issues as you do meaning yours is faulty!
It is much more realistic to physically go replace it than to whine about it online! Finding sympathy in virtual world will get you no where, this goes the same for all other brands!
Let Sony gets your faulty unit to examine, and to prevent same thing from happening in future phones is much more realistic than raising waves online with all sorts of words.
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People don't do doesn't mean issue is gone. Xperia Z3 compact has wide angle lens too, it doesn't have such significant distortion. Galaxy S7 also has large FOV lens, but their developer gave an auto-correction option. We payed almost same price, and Sony said its camera is perfect in ad.s
what's more, wide angle lens won't take photos like this, it's the damn lens correction software fault
Sony just manage to balance its cheque book in the mobile field. Honestly, allow them time to cure it, Sony deserve to stay.
All I wanna point out is that, it is not really big issue unless you shoot picture of computer mon, grid or brick wall all day. And many people mixed the distortion with typical wide angle lens perspective distortion, which created more chaos than necessary.
Many people still shooting great picture of people and scenary, so stop worrying so much. Have fun with the phone, when times come the firmware upgrade, we will get even better grid/brick wall pictures.
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Sony just manage to balance its cheque book in the mobile field. Honestly, allow them time to cure it, Sony deserve to stay.
All I wanna point out is that, it is not really big issue unless you shoot picture of computer mon, grid or brick wall all day. And many people mixed the distortion with typical wide angle lens perspective distortion, which created more chaos than necessary.
Many people still shooting great picture of people and scenary, so stop worrying so much. Have fun with the phone, when times come the firmware upgrade, we will get even better grid/brick wall pictures.
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Sony saving its mony in a wrong way. They deliver the best cmos, but do less work on software. Photos still look painted, and without OIS (EIS only in Video mode), it is hard to take a perfect photo at night
Bonelol said:
People don't do doesn't mean issue is gone. Xperia Z3 compact has wide angle lens too, it doesn't have such significant distortion. Galaxy S7 also has large FOV lens, but their developer gave an auto-correction option. We payed almost same price, and Sony said its camera is perfect in ad.s
what's more, wide angle lens won't take photos like this, it's the damn lens correction software fault
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I am suffering from the distortion issue right now ,bought it because I saw the ad shows a perfect camera on this phone.
Well, true, they need more effort on software side. Again, they are in the right step with the new managment focusing on collaboration between departments, time will tell how much better they will do. Previously they don't collaborate.
Is there a way to disable Selfie [Front Facing] Camera because the amount of times I swipe to get to Pro or Panorama and end up in Selfie mode is getting beyond ridiculous!
As a professional Photographer there are times we need to get the Camera out in an instant, else to miss that all important shot.
I find it utterly stupid the way you swipe is so closely similar to either brings you from Auto to Pro or bring up Selfie mode.
It is almost equally frustrating to try and focus a subject in Auto Camera only to toggle Brightness slider, but that's another subject…
The Phone Company said:
As a professional Photographer
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Wouldn't you have dedicated tools for whatever job you might be at? Like, if you're anticipating needing to capture important images depending on where you are wouldn't you have your dedicated camera on you and not be relying on a smartphone camera?
Personally, I see our phones as phones first, media players second and cameras third. Compact advanced P&S are always better than what our phone's camera can do, anyway. At least that's just my opinion. They also tend to offer crazy long optical zooms, as well.
Anyway, looking through the settings myself, I don't see any option to do this. At least not natively. There's always third party camera apps like Open Camera than you can try out and see if that helps. Double-tapping the power button to fire up the camera app hasn't been fast enough? Or is it just an issue of what your last camera setting might have been that's causing the real issue?
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Wouldn't you have dedicated tools for whatever job you might be at? Like, if you're anticipating needing to capture important images depending on where you are wouldn't you have your dedicated camera on you and not be relying on a smartphone camera?
Personally, I see our phones as phones first, media players second and cameras third. Compact advanced P&S are always better than what our phone's camera can do, anyway. At least that's just my opinion. They also tend to offer crazy long optical zooms, as well.
Anyway, looking through the settings myself, I don't see any option to do this. At least not natively. There's always third party camera apps like Open Camera than you can try out and see if that helps. Double-tapping the power button to fire up the camera app hasn't been fast enough? Or is it just an issue of what your last camera setting might have been that's causing the real issue?
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This isn't a debate, I simply want to be able to use the in-built Camera, in Pro Mode, selecting Manual Focus/Shutter Speed/ISO using their sliders WITHOUT "accidentally" going to 'Selfie' camera.
How do I disable Selfie?
That is all. Nothing more. Nothing less. Thank you.
Are you really not able to swipe sideways without swiping up or down?
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LoL :laugh: some ppl just have to go on like that instead of just saying nothing if they can't help.
Maybe something in ADB shell can help.
I don't think you can turn it off. You may have to install another camera app and use it with your phone rather than using the default camera.
#MeToo
I stumbled across this site also looking to disable selfie mode. I DESPISE it and it's always getting in my way. To the idiots responding negatively, those are the douche bags taking pictures of themselves.
Re: to the guy condescendingly questioning why somebody would not use an actual dedicated camera. You may not one depending on what your photograhing. Often times you can get equally good results with lighting and a newer model cell phone in pro-mode. I personally have a decent DSLR and always use my phone out of pure convenience. Though with that said, if i was a photographer working with clients, i would never show up with only a cell phone.
If some Samsung suits ever read this, selfie mode sucks and is one of the most ridiculous and annoying features i have ever seen on a phone.
I fully agree that this is an annoyance, along with the brightness slider getting in the way when attempting to focus in that area of the screen. And the flash popout menu should simply be a toggle button in my view.
That said, there may be a couple of uses for these sticks that some people use to facilitate their grandstanding. I better not get into that, though.
The Phone Company said:
Is there a way to disable Selfie [Front Facing] Camera because the amount of times I swipe to get to Pro or Panorama and end up in Selfie mode is getting beyond ridiculous!
As a professional Photographer there are times we need to get the Camera out in an instant, else to miss that all important shot.
It is almost equally frustrating to try and focus a subject in Auto Camera only to toggle Brightness slider, but that's another subject…
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in short, yes. you can disable the FFC, but it wont help. Matter of fact itll probably mess everything up worse than you think. In order to disable it, youd have to mess with the kernel, as there is no toggle for the FFC. In addition, the app itself will always look for the FFC and offer you its respective options from within the app such as it being in the list of camera modes, which sounds like your ACTUAL problem. So, the long answer is no, not really. Not with the stock camera app anyways
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Wouldn't you have dedicated tools for whatever job you might be at? Like, if you're anticipating needing to capture important images depending on where you are wouldn't you have your dedicated camera on you and not be relying on a smartphone camera?
Personally, I see our phones as phones first, media players second and cameras third. Compact advanced P&S are always better than what our phone's camera can do, anyway. At least that's just my opinion.
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Have you ever worked with a DSLR? unless you already have it out and ready, there is no capturing of the moment with those. Point and shoots too. They have to boot every time you turn them on which takes time and causes people to miss the shot they wanted.
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This isn't a debate, I simply want to be able to use the in-built Camera, in Pro Mode, selecting Manual Focus/Shutter Speed/ISO using their sliders WITHOUT "accidentally" going to 'Selfie' camera.
How do I disable Selfie?
That is all. Nothing more. Nothing less. Thank you.
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i cant begin to describe how incorrect this is. this is the internet, if you ask a question on it, youll perhaps get a barrage of answers, some of them you might find useful, others not, but you dont get to decide what is a debate and what isnt. If youre not a moderator of this forum and no wrongdoings have occurred, the "debate" will be allowed.
btw, to answer your question, reassign the bixby button to launch the camera. My S9 launches the camera on bixby press and is ready to take a picture in a second
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Have you ever worked with a DSLR? unless you already have it out and ready, there is no capturing of the moment with those. Point and shoots too. They have to boot every time you turn them on which takes time and causes people to miss the shot they wanted.
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Yup. Sure have. Several different kinds. Unless you already have anything out and ready, smartphone, DSLR, P&S, Walgreens disposable camera, there is no capturing of the moment (if it's something faster than you getting the cam ready).
So, yes. I have and it's not hard. Also, as you may already know, there's a wide range of quality between different cameras and with that various levels of speeds with their capturing abilities. Somehow, some cameras find a way to capture fast moments. I know, right? It's crazy. Like I said before, it depends on you. How you prepare. What you are doing. Where you are going. Event? You should be prepared? Random occurrence? Smartphone. I mean, it seems easy enough to me.
But that's just me, I guess.
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Yup. Sure have. Several different kinds. Unless you already have anything out and ready, smartphone, DSLR, P&S, Walgreens disposable camera, there is no capturing of the moment (if it's something faster than you getting the cam ready).
So, yes. I have and it's not hard. Also, as you may already know, there's a wide range of quality between different cameras and with that various levels of speeds with their capturing abilities. Somehow, some cameras find a way to capture fast moments. I know, right? It's crazy. Like I said before, it depends on you. How you prepare. What you are doing. Where you are going. Event? You should be prepared? Random occurrence? Smartphone. I mean, it seems easy enough to me.
But that's just me, I guess.
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to quote yourself from your previous post...............
"Wouldn't you have dedicated tools for whatever job you might be at? Like, if you're anticipating needing to capture important images depending on where you are wouldn't you have your dedicated camera on you and not be relying on a smartphone camera?
Personally, I see our phones as phones first, media players second and cameras third. Compact advanced P&S are always better than what our phone's camera can do, anyway. At least that's just my opinion."
you spoke of hardware in that post and preparedness in this last one. because theyre the exact same thing. "I know, right? its crazy"
of course it depends on you, thats the point
also, not everyone who owns a DSLR, P&S, film cam etc etc etc has them out while a moment you want to get a pic of occurs, what do you reach for? the moment is obviously not going to last long and you have your phone and a DSLR. You just had your DSLR out and taking pics of far away buildings, so you have a 70/200 mm lens on it and the exposure is long for the same reason. Oh, forgot to mention that the thing youre wanting to take a pic of is 15 ft from you and moving. Now what? Your phone is still just a phone? and i should have been "prepared" for this somehow?
oh oh oh, almost forgot. I love how you say "personally, i see our phones as blah blah" Nobody asked you what your opinion on how to use their phone. Best part is how you got defensive after having the durr pointed out on your first post in this thread.
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oh oh oh, almost forgot. I love how you say "personally, i see our phones as blah blah" Nobody asked you what your opinion on how to use their phone. Best part is how you got defensive after having the durr pointed out on your first post in this thread.
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I'm sorry my innocuous opinion got so deep under your skin. My fault. I didn't know how sensitive you were.
All the best, my friend. Take absolute care.
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I'm sorry my innocuous opinion got so deep under your skin. My fault. I didn't know how sensitive you were.
All the best, my friend. Take absolute care.
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You got me man. Boy do I feel sheepish. Troll on trollboy
Im a Home Inspector, I use my Samsung to run my report programs, bluetooth my moisture meters, fly the drone and take photos. I do not want the selfie feature and would love to turn it off. Hell, I barely use the phone feature on my Samsung.
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Im a Home Inspector, I use my Samsung to run my report programs, bluetooth my moisture meters, fly the drone and take photos. I do not want the selfie feature and would love to turn it off. Hell, I barely use the phone feature on my Samsung.
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might be best putting a piece of tape over the aperture. youll likely need root to do this, but by now im betting that someone made a magisk module to disable the cameras. If youre still wanting to do this, id look at magisk nowadays. in yesteryear, it was a very specific thing, but nowadays i bet something thatll get ya where you need to be is out there. i just dont mess with root enough anymore to be knowledgeable about it.
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This isn't a debate, I simply want to be able to use the in-built Camera, in Pro Mode, selecting Manual Focus/Shutter Speed/ISO using their sliders WITHOUT "accidentally" going to 'Selfie' camera.
How do I disable Selfie?
That is all. Nothing more. Nothing less. Thank you.
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I discovered this problem whenever I try to close the camera app by swiping up--forgetting that the phone has different gestures than my old phone. I'm not sure why there is such an urgent need for a selfie, such that it has it's own gesture. Many people put tape over the selfie camera, so being able to disable it makes more sense than giving it its own gesture.
BTW, not to fan the flames, but the phone makers go through a lot of effort to market their phone cameras as high enough quality to be used by pros, so I'm not sure what prompted 'his' lecture about when to use a phone camera and when not to use a phone camera.
Hi there,
I received my phone today. I have been VERY pleased with it for the few hours I was using it, but when I started playing PUBG Mobile I detected something odd, that avoided me to aim properly.
There's a problem with the screen sensitivity, I'm not sure how to define it, but it feels like a dead zone that moves with your finger. The phone will not detect small movements, kind of a precision problem.
I have a video and pictures to demonstrate the issue, comparing the sensibility to my other phone (Galaxy S8):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vc55o-36uC4&feature=youtu.be
And a picture:
https://imgur.com/a/LIzyV
I'm returning the phone, and I'll buy again if Sony fixes this via software (I hope they will!). I will gladly replace my S8 with this XZ2 Compact if we ignore this problem.
I don't think my particular unit is defective, but let me know if you experience is different just in case. If you have the same, let's try to make some noise and get an official response from Sony.
Edit: tried the big XZ2 in a store (not the compact) and had the same issue, so we can assume most XZ2 and XZ2 compact are impacted. Let's hope it's just software.
Update: I went to a mall and tried the XZ2 non-compact, with identically disappointing results. Sony needs to fix this. Some could say the compact is not a device for gaming because it's small, but the same argument doesn't hold for the bigger brother.
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Update: I went to a mall and tried the XZ2 non-compact, with identically disappointing results. Sony needs to fix this. Some could say the compact is not a device for gaming because it's small, but the same argument doesn't hold for the bigger brother.
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maybe the display is not so well for the pen you are using. i noticed that the display was even reacting when i had two display protective films on it at the same time.
try to play around with glove mode. maybe this helps.
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maybe the display is not so well for the pen you are using. i noticed that the display was even reacting when i had two display protective films on it at the same time.
try to play around with glove mode. maybe this helps.
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Thanks for the idea, however that's not the issue. I tried disabling and enabling the glove mode. I tried with my finger and with the pen (made the video with the pen because it's easier to see in a video). I tried two models, normal XZ2 and XZ2 Compact, with identical results. Tried while charging and without the charging cable as well.
It's not an obvious issue or easy to perceive, until you are trying to shoot at somebody in the head with a sniper rifle inside a game. It lacks precision. I'm not even sure if this is a deal breaker because probably I won't notice in daily usage, but I play games from time to time...
If you have the device, try it your self, try to draw tiny circles and compare with another device. I tested a few units so while I cannot say that every device out there is affected, I can also say that it's not just a couple of isolated cases.
I also compared to the Galaxy S8 (in the video) and to my friend's XZ1. The XZ1 didn't have the issue either, and I don't believe Sony sourced they touchscreen panels and controllers from a cheaper and worse source. I'm really hopeful this is just software, cause I love the device.
it could be that this time the screen is more sensitive while not so precise like the ones used before.
yes i have noticed the same problem. a small glide or flick to scroll requires a little more effort than my Sammy s9 plus. Not a huge deal but again paying Flagship money the screen shouldnt have such issues.
Can confirm that issue.
Similar to the screen lag i know from the honor 9. But less terrible.
No dealbreaker for me because i rarely game shooter, but noticeable when i tried shadowgun legends.
Have you tried to contact Sony support? I'm a bit frustrated, they told me to apply whatever update there is, perform a factory reset, run the device diagnostics, and if the problem persists, that means it is hardware and I should contact local support to get it repaired or exchanged. They closed my support ticket after giving that response, without waiting for my response.
They obviously didn't understand or care about the issue here. The screen diagnostics test is passed, but the issue is still there.
I don't know what to provide in order to get somebody from Sony support look at the case and evaluate escalating the ticket to whatever team that handles bugs.
Honestly i haven't. Because it seems that i don't have a faulty device as you have the same problem. So there probably will be no real help by support.
Seems also no general sensitivity issue because once you started scrolling it reacts instantly on further scrolls. Only at the beginning there is a short delay.
As already told the same behavior is known with the honor9 but far worse.
For me it's no problem, i almost never play shooter on the Smartphone, that's what a PC (or console) is made for...
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Honestly i haven't. Because it seems that i don't have a faulty device as you have the same problem.
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I've seen this issue in 3 devices already, two of them being the big XZ2 and one of them my Compact. Some more users have noticed the same behavior in other regions. I do believe it's a general issue. Maybe not every device is affected, but many seem to be.
Maybe some people don't have a defective phone, but until proven wrong I'd rather think some people do not perceive it care about it (same story as with the jelly in the OP5 here, people kept telling "my phone is fine" because they didn't see it).
Anyway, it is NOT a delay problem as much as it is a precision or dead zone problem. I can keep trying to draw tiny circles across the screen and only a straight line will be detected by the phone. Then I can run the touchscreen diagnostic tool and Sony will say there's no problem with my device, because this to only checks for fixed dead zones.
I understand some older phone that costs half the price might have some issue that resembles this one, but support could try to submit this to their Dev team and let us know if they acknowledge it as an issue or not. I mean, that's a very standard support procedure in the industry. In every IT support.
Off topic: not trying to argue here, but I never understood the argument of "I don't do X on my phone, because that's what Y are made for". You can apply it to everything a phone does, each function can be replaced by a standalone GPS, camera, Music player, game console, etc. I understand the personal preference or not doing certain things on a phone because of screen size or whatever, but when you spend 600usd + on a phone, it should be good at everything is capable of doing. Nobody would imagine an iPhone X user saying "The camera is crap but I don't care because that's with my Nikon is for. Audio is ****, but that's why you buy a Walkman. The GPS is not good, but that's why Tomtom exists"
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but support could try to submit this to their Dev team and let us know if they acknowledge it as an issue or not. I mean, that's a very standard support procedure in the industry. In every IT support.
Off topic: not trying to argue here, but I never understood the argument of "I don't do X on my phone, because that's what Y are made for".
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Yes one should be able to expect support like that. In reality i gave up hope to ever find a good support, no matter what brand or product. Only ones i made good experience are small companies here in germany who sell rare high end products (speaking about vaping in particular).
But what i did was writing this problem to a bigger hardware/software site which also made a review and did not mention it. But i am still waiting for their comment.
Sure you are right about the second point. That was just the explanation why i personally don't care about. Doesn't mean i would think it's good as it is or that no one should game with his Smartphone. Just my personal point of view. And i play shooter etc. only on PC (or for performance testing on the Smartphone).
Sorry to hear that! That's actually sad, because I work in support
I'm having the same problem with PUBG. I'm not experiencing it anywhere else on the phone but again other than shooters like PUBG where else would you see it. I really hope this gets fixed.
Well, my experience is worse. Leaving aside the serious lagginess of the phone (by comparison to which my Xc and XZ1c are extremely fluid), it seems to miss my every 5th or 6th press/command. All over the screen. And it's particularly annoying because, otherwise, and except for the lacking audio jack, it's well nigh perfect for my tastes.
Updated twice (now on April security) and hard reset once. No difference.
If your phone is laggy and you also tried already hard reset then you should have other problems. There is really no lag with my xz2c at all - it is even faster than my U11.
Don't know if it's the OP but the issue with the screen was already posted on sony support forum. Still I wouldnt call it sensitivity issue because when tipping the screen reacts fast. There is just a small delay for small movements on the screen, it starts to move after a certain way and not instantly.
Meanwhile i really hope they can fix it because i start caring. Not because of gaming, but i noticed how much trouble you get in certain situations (e.g. selecting text or adjusting a slider to a certain value like screen color adjustment...). Otherwise this perfect phone has a negative that might let me not keep it.
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If your phone is laggy and you also tried already hard reset then you should have other problems. There is really no lag with my xz2c at all - it is even faster than my U11.
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Yes, it's laggy, as in 'non-fluid'. Scrolling through menus, transitions etc. Not unusably laggy, just visibly and uncomfortably so. But the bigger problem is the missed sixth-or-so press.
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Yes, it's laggy, as in 'non-fluid'. Scrolling through menus, transitions etc. Not unusably laggy, just visibly and uncomfortably so. But the bigger problem is the missed sixth-or-so press.
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Well i can't confirm any of these problems. Smooth as it could be and so far no missed tipps. Would be perfect if the screen would not have that swipe delay that obviously every device has.
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If your phone is laggy and you also tried already hard reset then you should have other problems. There is really no lag with my xz2c at all - it is even faster than my U11.
Don't know if it's the OP but the issue with the screen was already posted on sony support forum. Still I wouldnt call it sensitivity issue because when tipping the screen reacts fast. There is just a small delay for small movements on the screen, it starts to move after a certain way and not instantly.
Meanwhile i really hope they can fix it because i start caring. Not because of gaming, but i noticed how much trouble you get in certain situations (e.g. selecting text or adjusting a slider to a certain value like screen color adjustment...). Otherwise this perfect phone has a negative that might let me not keep it.
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True thing, the phone should be lightning fast! I was for me during the time I had it. Pixel-level smoothness.
Going back to the problem, I wouldn't call it delay for the following reason: for me a delay means that I touch the screen, and the screen reacts later than it should. So if you watch the video, I'm trying to draw circles and the problem is not that they appear late, it's that they are an almost straight line instead. I think the appropriate word would be low precision when tracking fine touches.
By the way, the experience with support is getting very frustrating, they want me to send back my phone. There's no option to submit a potential software bug for review, if the helpdesk guy doesn't have the issue listed anywhere in their database, you will be asked to send the phone physically to a repair center, no matter the nature of the problem (basically they won't care). I'm still confident that this is a driver problem, Sony fixed touchscreen issues a few years back (in the Z5 Compact I believe) with a software update.
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True thing, the phone should be lightning fast! I was for me during the time I had it. Pixel-level smoothness.
Going back to the problem, I wouldn't call it delay for the following reason: for me a delay means that I touch the screen, and the screen reacts later than it should. So if you watch the video, I'm trying to draw circles and the problem is not that they appear late, it's that they are an almost straight line instead. I think the appropriate word would be low precision when tracking fine touches.
By the way, the experience with support is getting very frustrating, they want me to send back my phone. There's no option to submit a potential software bug for review, if the helpdesk guy doesn't have the issue listed anywhere in their database, you will be asked to send the phone physically to a repair center, no matter the nature of the problem (basically they won't care). I'm still confident that this is a driver problem, Sony fixed touchscreen issues a few years back (in the Z5 Compact I believe) with a software update.
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After being a bit rude to them (not proud about it, I apologized already), finally got the following response from support:
We are sorry to hear you are unsatisfied with our communication regarding the touch performance of your Xperia XZ2, we hope to atone for that shortly.
We have already internally raised this issue to the specialised team, using the threads and pictures on the forum you have supplied and from other users too.
We recommend sending the device to repair to make sure that the device has no manufacturing hardware faults, and to ensure that the software repair was done correctly before escalating the issue even further. And if there's a chance that one of our customers can have a more pleasant experience with the device if it turns out to be something we can fix, we always like to go with that solution.
However, please be assured that the issue has already been raised internally, and our team is working on making sure you have the best user experience as soon as possible.
Tanks for keeping us up to date.
And what will you do?
The thing is i dont believe its a hardware fault (defect). Either they can patch it or not. In the last case i would send my device back, but i have only one week left -.-
If I take pictures of something white in low light conditions, there is a pink tint in the center. Anybody else has this problem?
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lol
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lol
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What?
ione2380 said:
If I take pictures of something white in low light conditions, there is a pink tint in the center. Anybody else has this problem?
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White blinds, low light conditions... Standard Mode
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White blinds, low light conditions... Standard Mode
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Yours looks okay but it does look like to have a slight whiteish hue when my screen is very bright.
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If I take pictures of something white in low light conditions, there is a pink tint in the center. Anybody else has this problem?
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Does not look at obvious but I am pretty sure it is a hardware defect. You should just return it and get another unit, maybe even get the Fold 3 and not the Flip 3
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White blinds, low light conditions... Standard Mode
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Did you had flash on? Thanks for your answer.
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Did you had flash on? Thanks for your answer.
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No, without.
i have the exact same issue front facing and back cameras in very low light conditions could it be software related ?
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i have the exact same issue front facing and back cameras in very low light conditions could it be software related ?
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I don't know. I replaced my unit and the new one still has is, but it's much better than the first. It's impossible that all three sensors are faulty on 2 different phones. Or maybe extremely bad luck.
300 people looked at this thread and only one of them the was willing to take a picture to see if this is software or hardware. They just don't care or don't know how to take pictures, maybe.
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I don't know. I replaced my unit and the new one still has is, but it's much better than the first. It's impossible that all three sensors are faulty on 2 different phones. Or maybe extremely bad luck.
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idk i am waiting for the first software update to tell ... i am a bit dissapointed though .
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I don't know. I replaced my unit and the new one still has is, but it's much better than the first. It's impossible that all three sensors are faulty on 2 different phones. Or maybe extremely bad luck.
300 people looked at this thread and only one of them the was willing to take a picture to see if this is software or hardware. They just don't care or don't know how to take pictures, maybe.
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It's also possible they are busy with other things and didn't see the value in posting "haven't noticed" but hopefully calling them ignorant will get better results.
Haven't seen anything like the first picture, but the second two seem fairly normal.
Using night mode will tend to increase the effect. Unfortunately, this isn't an S21 / Note 20 Ultra that has the "top of the line" image processing software, so it tends to make a less effective attempt to improve the image. If you watch carefully, you will see the image capture with "proper" white, but then process and appear with a hue. You only have an instant to catch it, but you can see it happen.
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I don't know. I replaced my unit and the new one still has is, but it's much better than the first. It's impossible that all three sensors are faulty on 2 different phones. Or maybe extremely bad luck.
300 people looked at this thread and only one of them the was willing to take a picture to see if this is software or hardware. They just don't care or don't know how to take pictures, maybe.
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i will post a photo later so that the night falls where i live , but it's pretty much the same with the pictures you posted
here you go
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It's also possible they are busy with other things and didn't see the value in posting "haven't noticed" but hopefully calling them ignorant will get better results.
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Sure. Everyone is busy. They don't need to post "haven't noticed". Just post some sample photos. The time that takes someone to write a useless replay, like yours, could be used to take a picture instead.
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i will post a photo later so that the night falls where i live , but it's pretty much the same with the pictures you posted
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You already said you have the issue, so you don't need to post a picture. I believe you.
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Sure. Everyone is busy. They don't need to post "haven't noticed". Just post some sample photos. The time that takes someone to write a useless replay, like yours, could be used to take a picture instead.
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I was busy taking photos, comparing them to yours, and editing my post while you wrote that. Sometimes it pays to be just a little patient before you start bashing people.
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I was busy taking photos, comparing them to yours, and editing my post while you wrote that. Sometimes it pays to be just a little patient before you start bashing people.
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I'm not bashing anyone. I'm always willing to help if I see someone on xda that needs help and I got the knowledge. This problem doesn't require any knowledge. Anybody can take a picture, as long as they have this phone. I was ironic when I said "maybe they don't know how to take pictures", just because of that.
This thread has been up for 7 days and you say everybody is busy. Day, night and the weekend. But they still got time to be on xda.
Thanks for editing your first replay with some useful stuff, but I see pink on viewfinder also, not just after the processing. Like I said, I already replaced my unit and this is much, much better, almost a non-issue, so I don't care about this for myself. I see there are others that are starting to see this problem. That's why I insisted on this matter. Not my intention to offend anyone.
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I'm not bashing anyone. I'm always willing to help if I see someone on xda that needs help and I got the knowledge. This problem doesn't require any knowledge. Anybody can take a picture, as long as they have this phone. I was ironic when I said "maybe they don't know how to take pictures", just because of that.
This thread has been up for 7 days and you say everybody is busy. Day, night and the weekend. But they still got time to be on xda.
Thanks for editing your first replay with some useful stuff, but I see pink on viewfinder also, not just after the processing. Like I said, I already replaced my unit and this is much, much better, almost a non-issue, so I don't care about this for myself. I see there are others that are starting to see this problem. That's why I insisted on this matter. Not my intention to offend anyone.
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There is a difference between having time to be on xda reading and having the time and conditions to take a low-light photo that they are willing to post on a public forum. You also have to consider that some of the traffic isn't even device owners. They are considering the device and interested in the issues or saw the thread in "NEW POSTS" and read it just out of curiosity.
Low light (and night mode) mode attempt to use the available light to adjust the picture. That can also mean the image inherits the tint of the light. Samsung has come a long way with low light photos, but they threw all that away and went back a generation releasing this phone. It will probably improve as they start to backport the new improvements to the old sensors.