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[MOD EDIT: PLEASE READ AGAIN] A Question about MIUI?

Why can't MIUI Roms be posted posted in here?

I think its because MIUI doesnt want it posted any where but the MIUI site. had the same problem at the G2x threads.. but someone managed to get a thread and link up and keep it up, some how..lol

They can be posted, just not the one from Trip as he's banned from here

Yes, as the poster above me has stated, this ROM is not allowed on XDA, I have to close the threads referring to MIUI, he has expressly asked that it not be posted on XDA.
I am not allowed to let it on unless he has given permission, if memberskeeep posting this it is violating our rules meaning that I have to give out a lot of infractions. If he gives permission, I will happily re-open these thread if this is OK with the Admins.
If anyone has any questions, send me a PM or let me know in here
Thanks Guys
BW

I'm running it now!!!!!! Been looking for a good Sensless rom and MIUI has just fitted the bill nicely

Badwolve1 said:
Yes, as the poster above me has stated, this ROM is not allowed on XDA, I have to close the threads referring to MIUI, he has expressly asked that it not be posted on XDA.
I am not allowed to let it on unless he has given permission, if memberskeeep posting this it is violating our rules meaning that I have to give out a lot of infractions. If he gives permission, I will happily re-open these thread if this is OK with the Admins.
If anyone has any questions, send me a PM or let me know in here
Thanks Guys
BW
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This only applies to the port by Trip though right, any other MIUI port is allowed? There are a couple of ports for the Desire S:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1194397

ems328i said:
This only applies to the port by Trip though right, any other MIUI port is allowed? There are a couple of ports for the Desire S:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1194397
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Yes, Trip has asked us specifically not to allow his ROM on here, other MIUI roms that are not by him are fine, and his is also fine if he says that it is allowed on here
BW

Wait.. So if I want to download MIUI for my phone, where do I find it? The MIUI site doesn't list Sensation in the devices list, and the links here have been removed..

Google it - it's not hard if you know the site Paul O'Brien runs...
And MIUI have said they are probably going to do an official version for the Sensation soon

EddyOS said:
Google it - it's not hard if you know the site Paul O'Brien runs...
And MIUI have said they are probably going to do an official version for the Sensation soon
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I wait for this. I try some of ver but have some serious bug on my sensation!

He's kicked out some real kick ass ROMs in a short period of time. MIUI is running VERY well. Totally worth it.

Something tells me that Trip has no problems with his ROM being posted on XDA (with all credits to him, of course), but that's only me, I won't talk instead of him. Too bad because his ROM is faster than any other around here, even it is still beta. Come on people, let's make a deal here and enjoy our Sensations

markoko1 said:
Something tells me that Trip has no problems with his ROM being posted on XDA (with all credits to him, of course), but that's only me, I won't talk instead of him. Too bad because his ROM is faster than any other around here, even it is still beta. Come on people, let's make a deal here and enjoy our Sensations
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AFAIK Trip had no problems with the thread here at XDA and just didn't want mirrors posted, seeing as the thread was just a link to his original thread and seeing as he okay'd it, I don't know why the thread was closed down anyway.

Can you give me the link for the miui rom by Paul O'Brien please?
Thanks
Sent from my Sensation using XDA App

BonesRed said:
AFAIK Trip had no problems with the thread here at XDA and just didn't want mirrors posted, seeing as the thread was just a link to his original thread and seeing as he okay'd it, I don't know why the thread was closed down anyway.
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I'm pretty sure he does mind. Quote from his current thread on Modaco:
Dont misunderstand me, i dont have a problem with sharing it, i do have a problem with sharing it to a place that kills everything that have something to do with me. That is not how a community should be. Even users who support me there get bashed, they are going to wrong way there.. They always had a great community where you could learn alot and everyone was excepted in there own ways.
There where alot of users helping each other, now the mods control the place on there personal likings. And people just take whatever they need to get more attention then another.
I want to help as much as i can, but giving everything for free to a community that fights against me.. no sorry thats a no go.
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Source: http://android.modaco.com/topic/346...199-released/page__view__findpost__p__1802749

xnpu said:
I'm pretty sure he does mind. Quote from his current thread on Modaco:
Source: http://android.modaco.com/topic/346...199-released/page__view__findpost__p__1802749
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This isn't going to go anywhere so I will basically just chime in since this has greatly affected me personally. Trip basically is unhappy how users such as myself get trashed for even mentioning his ROM, on XDA. I basically was trying to help a user yesterday, and I mentioned I was using Trips ROM, but was going to offer my help with an installation of an app he had an issue with. I posted a link to that app, and instead of the moderators here seeing I was NOT posting any links to the ROM, but rather to an app, I was trashed by several users saying that I should know better, and then was forced to delete references. I never posted any direct link to Modaco nor his ROM. The link was to an app, I simply googled. Suffice it to say, after posting more than 3100 threads here and helping out literally with 100's of users over the last two years with my Nexus one and now Sensation, I probably at least in the near term will basically help over at Modaco and move on for a while from here. The attitudes of many here totally sour the situation. Especially on a phone that has lack support for so long and has finally gotten to the point of enjoyment with development, past the same old same old copies of Sense Roms we see here from day one. All the developers here brag they have the fastest, slickest, ad nauseum same old Sense ROMs that for the most part are just clones of each other. Sure, I might be offending a lot of the hard working OPs here and I will say I'm sorry I had to make such a statement, since I know a lot of hard work goes into any of this. But now we finally are seeing CM7, and MIUI opening up on the Sensations doorstep and because of the piss and moaning going on here with Trip over issues from the past, we end up with being either near banned, threatened with points actions, told we must delete references that have zero to do with his ROM, but they are afraid that some will just "think" that there are links. The hysteria after yesterday really left a sour taste in my mouth and many other fellow long time XDAers I speak with all the time, that have all basically PMed me stating they could NOT believe how I basically was trashed on a thread here.
Anyways, just wanted to speak my peace. This is NOT on a development thread so hopefully I won't have threats coming at me for speaking my peace. The actions here only hurt a community as a whole.

http://android.modaco.com/topic/346...a-sensational-s002b199-released/page__st__260
You can read there " the thread by t0ny0 in the xda development area is the useful one" ... Does anyone need more proof that he in fact didnt mind the idea of his rom being here?
And even with that - thread was closed. Not cool.
We have the proof that he approves, and still closed...
Sent from my Sensation 4G, that is finally running CM7, using Tapatalk.

Closing the threads just cuz he got banned. Wow. His rom is by far way better than others. MIUI all day everyday!! signature!!!
Sent from my HTC Pyramid using xda premium

Badwolve1 said:
If he gives permission, I will happily re-open these thread if this is OK with the Admins.
BW
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Badwolve1 said:
and his is also fine if he says that it is allowed on here
BW
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Pretty sure THIS negates any reason for deleting t0ny0's thread in the first place.
edit* side note, miui goes against the entire spirit of cm by kanging cm source then redistributing it closed. i think it should be banned completely.

cpittman said:
Pretty sure THIS negates any reason for deleting t0ny0's thread in the first place.
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Thaaaank you...
Sent from my Sensation 4G, that is finally running CM7, using Tapatalk.

10 posts limit

Is there any chance to get pass the 10 posts limit and speak in developers forum? I go here often, but my last problem was three years ago and resolved in two replies. I don't remember that limit was in effect back then
Do I really need to write another 7 not usefull posts to get one simple answer in developer forum?

ntn_labs said:
Is there any chance to get pass the 10 posts limit and speak in developers forum? I go here often, but my last problem was three years ago and resolved in two replies. I don't remember that limit was in effect back then
Do I really need to write another 7 not usefull posts to get one simple answer in developer forum?
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No you need to write 7 useful posts, try helping people in the QandA section etc.
This is how it is, there a very good reasons behind these rules and this thread will likely be closed so just move on and help others.

zacthespack said:
No you need to write 7 useful posts, try helping people in the QandA section etc.
This is how it is, there a very good reasons behind these rules and this thread will likely be closed so just move on and help others.
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Okay, just let me think about this for a while... You are suggesting that a noob that has a problem should first solve some other problems and then he is allowed to solve his own problem?
Hm, since when is XDA only for the selected?

I have to agree with topic-starter.
I read much info before I even registered. I rooted my phone with the various threads, but then you have a problem/bug, and you can't address it in the dev-thread.
If some-one asks why there is a 10post limit, everybody says, help other people in the q&A topic.
As a very beginner in rooting/change rom's, you just can't help other people with much more complicated questions.
I'm on many forums, and usually such rule only results in more un-usefull spamming.
I don't have a huge problem with that. But I had a problem with a ROM, and instead of just asking it in the dev-section, I had to search a couple of hours in many threads to find a solution.

ntn_labs said:
Okay, just let me think about this for a while... You are suggesting that a noob that has a problem should first solve some other problems and then he is allowed to solve his own problem?
Hm, since when is XDA only for the selected?
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BlaRock86 said:
I have to agree with topic-starter.
I read much info before I even registered. I rooted my phone with the various threads, but then you have a problem/bug, and you can't address it in the dev-thread.
If some-one asks why there is a 10post limit, everybody says, help other people in the q&A topic.
As a very beginner in rooting/change rom's, you just can't help other people with much more complicated questions.
I'm on many forums, and usually such rule only results in more un-usefull spamming.
I don't have a huge problem with that. But I had a problem with a ROM, and instead of just asking it in the dev-section, I had to search a couple of hours in many threads to find a solution.
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The key there is that you found the answer yourself after searching for a couple of hours. That is how people learn - it's how I learnt how to root, S-Off etc my HTC DS - by reading and trying to understand.
The Dev section is NOT the place for questions. It is NOT the place for questions. It is NOT the place for questions. Get the idea? The Dev section is for Development - genuine bug reporting and discussion by the guys who develop and test the ROMs.
I don't think 10 posts is enough. I personally feel that the Dev section should be by invite only. Once somebody has proved that they are able to abide by the rules of XDA and contribute in a meaningful manner then the Devs can invite them to join if they feel so inclined.

ntn_labs said:
Okay, just let me think about this for a while... You are suggesting that a noob that has a problem should first solve some other problems and then he is allowed to solve his own problem?
Hm, since when is XDA only for the selected?
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Well two things here, no If you have a problem you need solving you post it in the Q&A section in the first place..as this is where questions go Development threads are for development.
And XDA is and always has been about the developers, about developers sharing there work.

Yes, great... So developers have time to test other developers work? I would say that all the wannabe testers have hard time to feedback developers. They use emails. Developers say: use forum, it's great. And the usual answer is: I'm not over the limit yet.
I flash often, I test often. I find bugs often. I read ALOT. And when I find something no one has found yet.... I have to wait until an "experienced noob" (you don't really think number of posts indicate how experienced a guy is...) will write a bug report.
I got tired of waiting today and tried to step ahead but no... I have to make more comments to prove I'm worthy to speak with the DEV's... I'm no flamer and don't take this post like that but...
Posting a question in Q&A and hoping that one guy who might have my solution will answer... Maybe PM him and when he answers I will keep the solution to myself. Nah, too simple... XDA is for developers and developers always rely on people who test their night builds. Don't keep DEV's alone up there in the Ivory tower :angel:
PS: I would never dare to ask a question that was already answered here...

Yeah whats up with that
I have to have ten post before i can post my issue on the rom i downloaded that kinda bricked my phone. baha... i am swolt.. and to top it off i have to wait 5 minutes between post i guess it sucks to be a new user; but i am glad to be a part of the XDA forum team since i have been flashing every week for the past year or so... i joined after i ran into a problem go figure...

ntn_labs said:
Yes, great... So developers have time to test other developers work? I would say that all the wannabe testers have hard time to feedback developers. They use emails. Developers say: use forum, it's great. And the usual answer is: I'm not over the limit yet.
I flash often, I test often. I find bugs often. I read ALOT. And when I find something no one has found yet.... I have to wait until an "experienced noob" (you don't really think number of posts indicate how experienced a guy is...) will write a bug report.
I got tired of waiting today and tried to step ahead but no... I have to make more comments to prove I'm worthy to speak with the DEV's... I'm no flamer and don't take this post like that but...
Posting a question in Q&A and hoping that one guy who might have my solution will answer... Maybe PM him and when he answers I will keep the solution to myself. Nah, too simple... XDA is for developers and developers always rely on people who test their night builds. Don't keep DEV's alone up there in the Ivory tower :angel:
PS: I would never dare to ask a question that was already answered here...
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I have to have ten post before i can post my issue on the rom i downloaded that kinda bricked my phone. baha... i am swolt.. and to top it off i have to wait 5 minutes between post i guess it sucks to be a new user; but i am glad to be a part of the XDA forum team since i have been flashing every week for the past year or so... i joined after i ran into a problem go figure...
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Its a case of thats just how it is, many devs have started threads in the general subsections for talking about the ROMs to reduce the issue.
The big reason for the limit is simple, with out it the dev section gets flooded with question threads, and general chit chat or basic questions which have been answered a million times end up in dev threads which should be kept clean for real feedback to been seen by the devs.
I know it sucks but it works, 10 posts is nothing, you will find if you look across the forum there will be plenty of threads you can give input to (For example there are loads of "which do you like more" type threads) which require no technical skill. You will very quickly get past the ten posts and move on

I know it sucks but it works, 10 posts is nothing, you will find if you look across the forum there will be plenty of threads you can give input to (For example there are loads of "which do you like more" type threads) which require no technical skill. You will very quickly get past the ten posts and move on[/QUOTE]
Yeah; I am well on my way. 3 down 7 to go .

I know I know, just a long day at work..
Close it please.

Wrong section, this issue has been discussed to no end, and the rule isn't going anywhere. Thread closed.
Sent from my AOKP ICS equipped HTC Glacier using xda premium

This is why we can't have nice things

Firstly i'll admit this may come off as a rant, but i will be making some valid points that i believe need to be addressed
Secondly, i really don't care if anybody finds this offensive because well points need to be made and sometimes they have to be bluntly made.
Thirdly, i'm sure many of you will agree with me on these points.
Fourthly, @Mods i understand this may come off a bit harsh to some people but again things need to be said.
Finally, please enjoy this read
Well here's the story of how i ended up writing this thread, ever since the Galaxy S3 came out many of you probably noticed that i was constantly helping people every single day, basically answering the same questions day in and day out. For a while i was fine with that, but the past few months i've almost ceased posting entirely, why you ask? Because answering the same questions everyday when their are plenty of stickies, and plenty of threads already asking those exact questions just got tiring and frustrating. Its very simple to search the forums as well as google, and to post a thread asking about a problem that can be answered by simply looking 1 to 5 threads down is just laziness and not needed. I understand people want answers quickly, but sometimes where you post these issues becomes an issue as well.
Issues #1: READ THE ORIGINAL POST (OP)
Example A: Bajee11 brought rootbox to our phones, and now he's closed his thread. Why? Because people couldn't just read the original post and keep non-development talk out of his thread.
Thread can be found here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2134052
If you read his original post right below the downloads section is a Non-development | Discussion | Support banner in big bold letters with a link to where non-development talk should be discussed, simple enough to read and understand. Its not hidden away at all, so their should be no reason why somebody can't see it.
What happened? Somebody flashed the i9300 (european) rom onto their i535 (verizon) phone. And essentially bricked the phone (wouldn't boot up) and that user posted about it asking for support. (ALL posts in their have since been removed so i can't show them to you but please take my word for it)
At this point, support should not be asked in the developers thread when he's stated not to post non development stuff in his thread.
But that's now what happened, people started helping him which is nice to do, but again in the wrong place. And posts continued which clogged up the thread and made things more difficult. Eventually the developer asked that it be stopped and taken somewhere else so that his thread wasn't clogged up with that junk, and this is what happened.
Originally Posted by Internet Guy
Don't be a ****. This forum is here to not only provide Roms and various tools for android users, but also to provide help when needed.
Take a chill pill, friend.
Sent from my SCH-I535 using xda premium
Bajee11: Dude, this is my thread so I expect the rules to be followed. I have over 20 threads to maintain and I don't want to come back here for every single post when it's not development related. You guys have no clue how hard it is to track bugs when users don't follow any rules and specially when you got several devices to maintain. Not only do you not know what a development thread is, you even take on me for pointing out this not the right place for bricked phone discussion? This is why XDA has different sections for these kind of things and users like you should learn that. Anyways, closing thread.
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Somebody goes and decides to challenge him instead of being respectful and taking NON ROM DEVELOPMENT talk somewhere else, it could've easily been dealt with in PM's, or searching the forum, or help me god making yet another thread about it.
This user that had an issue could've solved his problem by simply looking at this sticky thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2079399
Why is this a problem?
Well quite frankly the people that were using the Rootbox rom now have to sit, wait and wonder whether support will continue for D2VZW or if they should move on, just because some people couldn't read the OP and follow the simple requests, and had to feel the need to then challenge the OP instead of just respecting him.
Oh but that only applies to one rom my rom is fine
Have you ever tried to figure what bugs are in a rom only to be forced to read a million posts that aren't related to that rom at all but instead somebody doing something stupid resulting in user error not rom error? I know i have, its so frustrating to have to skim through 20 pages when in reality if people could keep things where they belong we wouldn't have that issue. Once you flash something that's not stock on the rom, ANY BUGS that occur are not the roms fault, because their is no way of knowing whether whatever you flashed caused it or not.
Flash a different kernel, then have x,y,z errors? Post in the KERNEL thread about it, i guarantee you'll get more kernel support their than in the Rom thread. You could make a simple post in the Rom thread and say "hey guys i flashed X kernel and now Y isn't working, just letting others know" Bam end of story, its simple, alerts other users and keeps thing clean.
Okay so that's one post but i see a million of them, okay well lets say User A posts that, then users B-Y post irrelevant nonsense then user Z posts the same thing as A, that's why you see it a bunch. Because B-Y or a combination had irrelevant information in their posts.
Solutions:
Option 1: I realize this is hard but please people have some respect and self control and keep posts where they are relevant. Or maybe the mod's should just start warning/giving infractions to people that can't obey the rules and have some damn respect when a developer asks you to please take business somewhere else.
Option 2: Instead of cluttering up the development thread, go make some thread in Q/A even though that'll go against my second issue it'll be better than clogging up relevant rom information/development, that users want to see. I'm sorry but if you brick your phone flashing something that's not meant for your phone that your own damn fault for not reading what you're download and flashing.
Option 3: If you can't read the OP then you shouldn't be rooting your phone. Honestly folks its not hard to read the OP, its their for a reason, not for you to skip down to the downloads link, flash the rom, and then say "X and Y are missing" when in the OP it clearly states they aren't there. And what do you know that's one more useless post.
Time for me to take a breath...
Issue #2: Not using the search function
I realize this may be hard for people to understand but its their for a reason, not to just look pretty. Its sole purpose is to try and keep things clean and help users to find helpful information. How many of you use google search everyday? i know i do, probably over 100 times a day and its very helpful, so i KNOW that you other users have used a search engine before, so why not use the one on XDA? Its not rocket science and its got plenty of options to help you narrow stuff down.
Hell even before you post a thread, it'll automatically search for relevant threads related to your title.
Notice: When you enter a thread title the system will search for similar threads which have already been posted. That should help you to find answers.
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Now tell me are you blind, or do you choose to ignore it? I'm guessing its the second one. Or maybe people are too lazy to just read the titles of threads, i guarantee you whatever issue you are having somebody else has had and already got an answer for it. Obviously we can't force people to use it, but please people, google is your friend, the search bar is your friend.
Solutions:
Option 1: Up the post requirement for development sections, i know i know this probably will be hated but its clear that it's needed. People still can't seem to just get it right anymore. Maybe if they have to spend a little more time actually using the forum they'll actually start to realize all these helpful things around them.
Option 2: Can we just start banning people? haha i kid i kid. But seriously, can we give Rom developers the right to edit posts in their respective threads, so if they deem something as pointless, then bam deleted
At this point i'm out of breath and tired from staring at the screen.
But i'll leave with this 99% of errors are user errors not rom errors. Yes that's right i'm blaming the users, because hey its your fault for messing something up. I flash rom's everyday and yet i don't have these crazy errors that others have, but hey i'm flashing stuff that's meant for my phone People really need to stop being dumb and start reading the OP it contains so much information, i swear some of you will flashing anything even if in the OP it states "THIS WILL DESTROY YOUR PHONE" and guess what, you'll flash it anyways because you're too lazy to take ONE minute to read it. You could read while making your nandroid backup, oh hey that's a great idea And when you have an issue, just use the search function.
I understand we were all noobs at once, but still... like i said, most issues are user error.
TLTR:
-Please read OP's
-Please use the search bar
-Please post issues in their respective threads
-Please don't post irrelevant nonsense in development threads, that's not the place for it.
-Please if you flash anything not stock with the rom, don't blame the rom.
-Please post rom issues in rom threads, and kernel issues in kernel threads.
-Please if you do something stupid, keep it out of the rom/kernel thread.
-Please read stickies, they contain more information than your heart desires and will help you in the long run.
-Please try and understand where i am coming from
Oh and again, i don't care if i offended some of you.
-NeverEndingXsin

*starts slow clap*
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Haha, you quoted that?
I don't let phone stuff get to me. Life's too short. But maybe this will help, maybe not
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On accident. I'm so used to replying with a quote that I forgot not to.
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bobAbooE said:
Haha, you quoted that?
I don't let phone stuff get to me. Life's too short. But maybe this will help, maybe not
Sent from my SCH-I535 using xda app-developers app
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The final straw for me was that a recognized developer closed his thread due to people being rude, inconsiderate, and not reading the OP. Figured it was time to say something.

Neverendingxsin said:
The final straw for me was that a recognized developer closed his thread due to people being rude, inconsiderate, and not reading the OP. Figured it was time to say something.
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Happened when I was on the Rezound as well. People made Erishasnobattery really mad, and he and Apophis closed off the paradigm thread.
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Obaterista93 said:
Happened when I was on the Rezound as well. People made Erishasnobattery really mad, and he and Apophis closed off the paradigm thread.
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Its a damn shame things go down like that. But i can't blame the developers for getting sick of it. People expect everything to be handed to them on a silver platter, but that's not how life is.

Good thread Neverendingxsin. I've had this problem too and had to get mods to intervene multiple times due to childish behavior -_-

PureMotive said:
Good thread Neverendingxsin. I've had this problem too and had to get mods to intervene multiple times due to childish behavior -_-
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Thanks As a user myself i find it hard enough to deal with, as a developer i imagine its a whole lot worse. Just trying to make things a bit easier for you guys!

This really needed to be said. People feel way to entitled around here. You don't realize what you have until you lose it.

luis86dr said:
This really needed to be said. People feel way to entitled around here. You don't realize what you have until you lose it.
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I couldn't agree more. Everything that i know to this day about android i learned by reading threads, reading stickies, and paying attention to problems others are having and the solutions to them. Its not hard to do.

Neverendingxsin said:
I couldn't agree more. Everything that i know to this day about android i learned by reading threads, reading stickies, and paying attention to problems others are having and the solutions to them. Its not hard to do.
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If only everyone could have that mentality, it would make the drama on XDA far less than what it is.

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If only everyone could have that mentality, it would make the drama on XDA far less than what it is.
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Keyword: "If" i doubt that would ever happen

The problem is the people that post all that clutter aren't going to find this thread. They are way too lazy.
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llama555 said:
The problem is the people that post all that clutter aren't going to find this thread. They are way too lazy.
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Not even that they won't find the thread, but they'll just skip over it. And then anyone that actually opens the thread most likely won't bother to read this OP either...

That's the truth
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Unfortunately, it's always going to happen. The best we can do is report the offending posts. The more you report, the more the mods, and admins will take notice. They will in turn, notify the offenders, and remove the posts/threads.

spotmark said:
Unfortunately, it's always going to happen. The best we can do is report the offending posts. The more you report, the more the mods, and admins will take notice. They will in turn, notify the offenders, and remove the posts/threads.
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Mhmmmm. But when developers decide they don't want to develop for a particular phone due to users being like that it starts to become an issue.

Neverendingxsin said:
Mhmmmm. But when developers decide they don't want to develop for a particular phone due to users being like that it starts to become an issue.
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That's why you report the offending posts, as soon as you see them.

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That's why you report the offending posts, as soon as you see them.
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Shouldn't be necessary in the first place. My entire point is that people should be reading OPs and showing respect for them.

End of custom roms.......

Sorry guys.... As another dev shuts up shop due to users/noobs that don't read opening posts or explain the bugs they having.
Custom roms will soon be a thing of the pass.
I for one knows how much time/effort goes into making a rom. It's no easy task. The amount of flashing/bricking to bring roms to us.
All the roms on xda are free but if this continues then devs may start charging for their roms (maybe not on xda but who knows) Wouldn't blame them really though.
All users need to understand if we don't have devs on Android. Then basically we will end up like iPhone users that are locked down. We should be grateful for all devs that brings us root without it then no custom roms would exist.
Do the Android community wanna end up like iPhone? I doubt it very much.
Respect the devs
Read the first post, search the thread! All answers are there. This excuse "I searched but couldn't find anything" is BS basically.
We will lose them all eventually.
Rant over.
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Post of the month!
ETA:
As much as I agree, this is flogging a dead horse
Until you can change the impatient 'fix it now, I refuse to read the first post post anyway, that bits not important' mentality of the average user, nothing will change

I agree. most users in this community are selfish. most likely they demand fix this please, when's the next update, port it please, comparing their work to another's hard work, flaming and so on.
they neither try to read back the thread or use the search function. or has no clue with the forum rules. it's a sad thing but yeah it's here. it's really a sad thing but there's nothing we can do unless they learn to respect the free work devs have put into their work. people should realize devs are doing it on their spare time on their own will to share to people for users to enjoy for free.

Agree
I was hoping to find a thread like this and I totally agree with you.
But maybe that is not the end cause I think that the devs will still love what they do just that they try not to address certain people.
As great as the idea of XDA is and as much as I'm happy that this awesome forum exists..I think that it should be talked/discussed about the forum rules!!!
Example:
How can it be possible that you become senior member with 100 posts?
This leads to flaming in some cases and is no way near related on how helpful you are
The process in being allowed to post
While some are annoyed that they can't discuss right after logging the first time....for others it is way to simple to join and flame.
Rules enforcement
We all know that some posts we make are not related to the devices...and I think that this shouldn't be seen as an issue in general...XDA to me is also a communication page as long as the dev doesn't have a problem with it... BUT being disrespectful to the work you receive for free and claiming bugs where there are reported to be none and most important refusing to read should be looked after more often.
At last I really don't want to criticize XDA or what it stands for cause I still love it... I just hope it stays what it was created for and won't loose the devs which are doing so many awesome things for us because some people just can't follow the rules and be thankful for what they get

Maybe some new rules when people sign up?like private reference or something?but then again that would drop Ads revenue of this site drasticly

Unfortunately it's fact that most of the users are never happy enough with the things they get FOR FREE. They don't see the hard work of the devs behind a custom ROM. They only see what they have on their phones, and if there's something they don't like, they complain and blame the dev. And the fact that many users don't read instructions or simple informations gives the devs more work. They have to watch their thread 24 hours a day and always be friendly and helpful. If that's not given, some users become rude. My favorite thread was closed this morning because of such stupidity. The dev pulls his heart and soul in his project and gets more negative than positive feedback. That's not fair.
 @4aces: you know what thread I'm talking about, i think you agree, it's a sad sad day for us.

Exactly @speedwayfan75 that why I had to voice my rant over that thread. And @DSA same for your thread too shut due to some users. Black box was great used on s3 then got discontinued on s4
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So you are announcing the end of the custom ROMs, because of some impatient noobs, who have always been around and probably always will be? Are you for real?

centavar said:
So you are announcing the end of the custom ROMs, because of some impatient noobs, who have always been around and probably always will be? Are you for real?
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Did I day that :banghead:
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In my opinion it's also the fault of XDA in general.
Just take a look in the Q&A section. So many question that have been anwsered before, so many people that just won't read.
In my opinion every thread that doesn't have a decent opening post should be closed untill they put some effort in it. But the more users XDA gets, the more money they make. So the skill level will only keep lowering and then some other decent website opens and replaces XDA.
Users just get to much space to do anything they want. I'm not blaming the mods in any way, because I think they are doing a good job. People higher up the ladder should take action or XDA will go down true their own succes.

I agree that there are many noob who do not read the post before replying.
But every boby was a noob before no?
just give them a chance to become good Android users...
PS: sorry for my english, i'am french !

You can't stop anyone from posting questions without searching first, or asking for OTAs. The only thing the devs can do is to ignore these people.

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You can't stop anyone from posting questions without searching first, or asking for OTAs. The only thing the devs can do is to ignore these people.
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Its not as simple as that
If I create a development thread and include all relevant info in the first post, which is then populated with nothing but questions that are answered in the first post it makes it incredibly hard to find any proper posts which could contribute to the rom or for me to help a genuine user having issues
I created a specific q&a thread for these types of posts and everyone ignored it and filled up my dev thread instead
XDA has a chronic problem with users atm, I can't explain it or understand it, but I'm seeing more and more devs close their threads because of the users populating it
Have a read of the gravitybox thread in the xposed section...its unbelievable..
ETA: just had a read of the echorom thread...check @friedrich420 last posts in there..I feel for him as I know exactly how he feels

Users should be understanding about this. I think XDA should double the number of moderators so that useless posts are deleted on regular basis. For developers; they should create a third post on their ROM topic, that has a big list of all FAQs in bold.

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You can't stop anyone from posting questions without searching first, or asking for OTAs. The only thing the devs can do is to ignore these people.
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I agree. I'm not sure if Devs will start charging, to be honest I'd probably pay, But anyways.... I work in Service Management for a Global IT company, and this behaviour is pretty standard when you are dealing with this many users..
I for one respond ONCE and the ignore users that make demands or unreasonable requests or are just plain offensive or rude.
What makes it worse though is the number of more experienced users that actually reply to these people in the thread. Honestly is some threads they have doubled the useless post count! Now, before I get flamed, I have done it myself because its just plain RUDE!!! But it doesn't take every 'good' user to flame back or stick up for the dev or say not to ask for ETAs! Just once will do and then ignore them!
If you ask any service professional or SixSigma bod, they will say 'focus on the good users and ignore the bad'.
Please please though reading multiple posts from good users responding to bad users is just as annoying as having to read the original bad post.
Peace Out People!

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Its not as simple as that
If I create a development thread and include all relevant info in the first post, which is then populated with nothing but questions that are answered in the first post it makes it incredibly hard to find any proper posts which could contribute to the rom or for me to help a genuine user having issues
I created a specific q&a thread for these types of posts and everyone ignored it and filled up my dev thread instead
XDA has a chronic problem with users atm, I can't explain it or understand it, but I'm seeing more and more devs close their threads because of the users populating it
Have a read of the gravitybox thread in the xposed section...its unbelievable..
ETA: just had a read of the echorom thread...check @friedrich420 last posts in there..I feel for him as I know exactly how he feels
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I thank you from the bottom of my heart!! I know if anyone can understand is you my man!! I create a basic custom rom at best (and kernels lately). You create the most awesome rom i have ever used!! Way way over my head!! And you get the same treatment?? Its really not worth it!! People (im not generalizing because there are some EXCEPTIONAL USERS who deserve recognition) dont get (or dont want to get) what it takes to create a masterpiece like yours for example...
Thank you and my wish is that we will see you back!!
But one thing is for sure, something has to change...
It seems that people value something only if they have to pay for it... Im not say this should happen here but something that protects us (the creators/ providers of roms. kernels, recoveries, mods, apps etc etc) for the **** we get should be put in place... Some kind of mechanism that protects spamming and protects flaming... Something with more success than the current measures we have in place now...
Also THANK YOU TO EVERYONE FOR YOUR SUPPORT and opening this thread is a good thing!!
It needs to stay up and we need to make it into a "brainstorming pool" of ways to make sure devs who do this for free (therefore they do it because they love sharing) are protected...

How to stop stupid questions?
Firstly if devs want to be paid then good for them. Whatever they get it wont be enough. This might leave some users feeling empowered though - they would feel they were owed answers as they had paid "where is my promised bug fix you lazy asshole!". And we don't want that. So how about a testers thread for each ROM were the dev controls who can post and a general thread for each ROM were you have to pay to post ($0.20). It would encourage only real questions after peole have searched.

finbaar said:
How to stop stupid questions?
Firstly if devs want to be paid then good for them. Whatever they get it wont be enough. This might leave some users feeling empowered though - they would feel they were owed answers as they had paid "where is my promised bug fix you lazy asshole!". And we don't want that. So how about a testers thread for each ROM were the dev controls who can post and a general thread for each ROM were you have to pay to post ($0.20). It would encourage only real questions after peole have searched.
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You are so so right about that!!
Thats why i would never want to sell anything here..
Can you imagine what they would do to me???
I mean i get abuse from offering free stuff for so many devices... can you imagine making money for it? People would think im their slave...

goodgood hahahahhahah
stevendeb25 said:
Sorry guys.... As another dev shuts up shop due to users/noobs that don't read opening posts or explain the bugs they having.
Custom roms will soon be a thing of the pass.
I for one knows how much time/effort goes into making a rom. It's no easy task. The amount of flashing/bricking to bring roms to us.
All the roms on xda are free but if this continues then devs may start charging for their roms (maybe not on xda but who knows) Wouldn't blame them really though.
All users need to understand if we don't have devs on Android. Then basically we will end up like iPhone users that are locked down. We should be grateful for all devs that brings us root without it then no custom roms would exist.
Do the Android community wanna end up like iPhone? I doubt it very much.
Respect the devs
Read the first post, search the thread! All answers are there. This excuse "I searched but couldn't find anything" is BS basically.
We will lose them all eventually.
Rant over.
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goodgood verygood

friedrich420 said:
You are so so right about that!!
Thats why i would never want to sell anything here..
Can you imagine what they would do to me???
I mean i get abuse from offering free stuff for so many devices... can you imagine making money for it? People would think im their slave...
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Gasp! I donated $1!!!!! You mean I don't own you????

Dear XDA: Would ya consider...

Dear XDA, for the love of all that is sane, could a format be designed that would allow for creation of a "Read Only" rom development threads which would spawn a read/write q&a thread elsewhere by default where users could post as is now. The format would allow only the developer and developer selected users to add posts originating from q&a thread that contained important info, fixes, workarounds etc. discovered by users.
I am a firm believer in reading....each time I log on I pick up at (first unread) in the threads I participate in and plow through it post by post. But the truth is that the threads are packed with useless posts that while fun to read at times stray away from anything beneficial or new and mixed up in that are very informative posts ......such as "once this rom is more stable it'll be my daily Flashed back to blah-blah rom." And that's in threads where no one else has that issue and it is a daily. Self promotion, rom promotions, other rom promotions, thanks promotions, flaming, naming, laming, tagging, bragging, one question....9 identical answers. You get my point, all the relevant info in most threads could be summed up around 5 pages max perhaps. Imagine rom threads that ONLY had a few pages of everything known about the rom like how to install, what features now and coming, troubleshooting and fixes, requirements, issues etc.
At the least if mods could allow the dev and/or dev helpers access to all posts in say first 2 or so pages of threads which usually comprise of "First", and the other regular break in lines, so these posts could be repopulated with the above mentioned scenario of information maybe that could be just as useful. Bottom line it is really hard these days to actually acquire info if you jump into a new rom thread which has been active for some time, and if you fail to use the right keyword in a search-box that function can be less than helpful.
The first suggestion imo would further highlight the brilliance and hard work of all that contribute to XDA in whatever means they do while keeping the chat community alive and healthy too. Great interactions happen here and they should as do great accomplishments, and miraculous workarounds/fixes what better way to highlight this than giving all of it a place upfront?! The second suggestion too would help highlight these same achievements.
Thanks for reading and any considerations given.
Louforgiveno

Perfectly said and thank you Lou your contributions as well.

southphillysean said:
Perfectly said and thank you Lou your contributions as well.
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Thanks much to you sir !
sorry...i'm out of thanks for the day

Totally agree!!

It actually already exists, the OP has to set it up when he's creating his thread. If you notice some rom threads in development every time you post the Last post always has an automated post which says this has a Q&A thread dedicated for questions. Well when that happens questions are directed to the Q&A thread instead of the development thread.
The problem is some of the developers are not developed enough to turn these features on.
Have a great day!

louforgiveno said:
Thanks for reading and any considerations given.
Louforgiveno
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I saw it the first time by Xposed....
but I am sure that this is a old thingy here.
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sorry...i'm out of thanks for the day
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BTW how many thanks can i give on a day??

Sounds good to me....thanks!

Newyork! said:
how many thanks can i give on a day??
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You can give 8 thanks per full day (24 hours).

???K¡€ said:
You can give 8 thanks per full day (24 hours).
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Thanks
(My first Thanks for today! )

Sounds good! TLR

Sorry, I am not considering it. Hope it doesn't break your heart.

Rickyzx said:
Sorry, I am not considering it. Hope it doesn't break your heart.
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Oh yes I'm destroyed