Why is there a lack of Kernels for the One s - HTC One S

So, i know its a newer device, and if thats the reason, great! But i was wondering why there is such a lack of available Kernel options (especially for AOSP roms)? Even Sense Kernels are few and far between. I just was wondering if its something HTC has not released ( i know they havent released the source for US Kernel, but wouldnt the international one be VERY similar?) or done that they should be or if it was just that its new and these things take time?
It just seemed like every other phone that i had, even newer phones, had kernels being developed almost immediately which i am really not seeing for the one s.
Again, not *****ing, just curious. THANKS.

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Is the Sensation dead on the development?

I am sure some a gearing up on the ICS roms but over all there just doesnt seem to be a whole lot out there for the phone as far as roms go. I completely respect the work that has been done and am certainly grateful! However...my G2 seemed like it had a new rom out everyday with so many options to choose from. Maybe it just felt that way because it was my first Android phone but honestly I still visit those forums and see new roms coming out. For the Sensation they all seem the same with very minimal tweaks to the device. Are we still waiting on something or is this phone left in the dust with all the new phones(amaze, SGSS2, etc. etc. )? Just wanted a most likely more informed opinion then my own
What more can this phone do it will match any newer phone out. There is only so much u can do on a phone and most roms are at a stable state so there is nothing left to add. We still see a couple roms updated a week which isn't baf.its just slowed because there is nothing else to add all the roms have everything already
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I guess it's just me then. I just don't feel like I've found THE rom. Everyone seems to have something missing or just off a little. I just know with my G2 I was able to find a couple that I was more then content with. (I know STFU and go back to your G2 then) I love the Sensation...just looking for that happy medium that I haven't quite found yet I guess.
I think you have to look better. There is still much development going on, many ROMs out there. In the last days there have not been many updates, as there were no new leaks from HTC or from anywhere. But the kernel devs are still developing like hell.
For me my ROM is very stable, I don't miss anything what could be done on ROM-base. So why updates, updates and updates? Never change a winning team
After testing a lot of ROMs, most of them are already quite stable... Don't think there's much to work on. It's a good thing no?
johnny0313x said:
I am sure some a gearing up on the ICS roms but over all there just doesnt seem to be a whole lot out there for the phone as far as roms go. I completely respect the work that has been done and am certainly grateful! However...my G2 seemed like it had a new rom out everyday with so many options to choose from. Maybe it just felt that way because it was my first Android phone but honestly I still visit those forums and see new roms coming out. For the Sensation they all seem the same with very minimal tweaks to the device. Are we still waiting on something or is this phone left in the dust with all the new phones(amaze, SGSS2, etc. etc. )? Just wanted a most likely more informed opinion then my own
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I guess you haven't heard about ics source being out and a rom. being developed right now for it?
I'd say it's pretty far from being dead... There are some pretty good ROM options out there... InsertCoin, Android Revolution HD...which really make the device shine on a whole new level... And something brand new comes along every week or 2...
I guess if you're looking to download a new ROM every day, you might consider it dead...but then again, who'd want to switch ROMs every day? I, for once, am content with the current plateau...it lets me actually USE my phone...rather than keeping it plugged in and flashing/reflashing all the time...
Anyway, stay tuned...
Well, developement isn't dead, but it's booooring as hell compared to what Desire was/is. That's the problem with having current high end phone, there isn't much stuff to port.
It just look boring because most of the roms are the same as in sense 3.5 wich cant be fully theme yet. Almost every rom is stock sense 3.5, thats why i`m still on sense 3.0 because it can be fully customize. Nobody is trying to make their roms look different like on the desire forum and other forums. There can be many sense 3.5 roms but if they all look different than it will look like a lot of developement is going on but because they look the same makes it look like nothing is going on.
johnny0313x said:
I guess it's just me then. I just don't feel like I've found THE rom. Everyone seems to have something missing or just off a little. I just know with my G2 I was able to find a couple that I was more then content with. (I know STFU and go back to your G2 then) I love the Sensation...just looking for that happy medium that I haven't quite found yet I guess.
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There is a rooted stock ROM, there are about 4 Sense 3.5/Android 2.3.7 based ROMs with full Sense UI, there are two direct CM7 ports, there are at least 2 Sense 3.5/Android 2.3.7 with some or all Sense UI components stripped.
I really don't know what you're expecting. We have basically everything you could hope for at this point.
If you don't mind going without Sense, I highly recommend HyperSensation, as I've seen between 14-25hrs of battery life on a single charge depending on usage (14hrs being with constant, heavy usage and long phone calls over 3G).
While ROM development has certainly slowed down, the kernel devs are still releasing betas every couple of days, which in my opinion is more exciting because the kernel side has a more direct effect on speed and battery life.
I'd say just find a stable build and run with it while we wait for ICS stuffs to be released.
By the way, have you checked out the MiUI build that MiUI.us is putting out there? It is by far my favorite rom to use (yes you can theme it to NOT look like an iPhone lol) and it's fast with excellent battery life. The only thing that keeps me from making it my daily is the need for a good camera with full HD recording, which Scott and TD are actively working on. I have two young kids under 2 years old, so I kind of need that stuff haha.
For what it's worth, my daily now is ARHD 3.6.7 with Faux's 0.2.5.5. Excellent stability, speed and battery life so far has been awesome.
Since ICS source is out I doubt any Devs would continue work on Gingerbread based ROMs. The reason Desire has more development is all the Sense 2.5+ ROMs are ports and so require fixing and more development. Since Senny is a stock Sense 3 phone there is nothing that can be added that aint already been done.
Once ICS development gets going we will see more ICS stock ROMS.
ICS will be better on Sensation. +trolface+
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There is a rooted stock ROM, there are about 4 Sense 3.5/Android 2.3.7 based ROMs with full Sense UI, there are two direct CM7 ports, there are at least 2 Sense 3.5/Android 2.3.7 with some or all Sense UI components stripped.
I really don't know what you're expecting. We have basically everything you could hope for at this point.
If you don't mind going without Sense, I highly recommend HyperSensation, as I've seen between 14-25hrs of battery life on a single charge depending on usage (14hrs being with constant, heavy usage and long phone calls over 3G).
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While I agree this phone isn't completely dead, you should look at some other phones out there. The vibrant for example or desire have had and still have more and more diversified roms. Most of our sensation roms are just sense over and over again. Anyway just my 2 cents.
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All the kernel & themes Development keeps my Sensation busy! Until a new cool rom comes along....
skyhigh2004 said:
While I agree this phone isn't completely dead, you should look at some other phones out there. The vibrant for example or desire have had and still have more and more diversified roms. Most of our sensation roms are just sense over and over again. Anyway just my 2 cents.
sent from my Sensation 4G
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Seems to be related to Sense being more popular on Sensation than other phones, in this case the users here lack interest in CM & AOSP & MIUI. There is some interest but that doesn't make up the majority of the users of Sensation; I find it quite odd since normally MIUI & Vanilla would have more users than the stock UIs(based on my past phone experiences). If people cared more for CM/MIUI/AOSP, then development may be much better, a new MIUI ROM would be made every week by TheDerekJay when I had MT4G, and I miss this kind of updating on my Sensation. Not to say devs here don't update, can't really say the rate of updates is equal IMO.
Ive enjoyed all the development that goes on for sensation. Was this thread posted before actually looking at the dev section??? 2 pages of roms are at least updated every 2 weeks
i have htc Sensation and the development
there r many roms running sense 3.0 / 3.5 but all of them resemble each
and the development for ICS it's slow in Sensation
there r many devices run ICS with working touch screen and every day have update .. last ICS update for ICS before 5 days and i think the rom not a flashable file
I bought the Sensation to replace my Desire, and it's true that I am a bit disappointed after the number of ROM available for Desire ... but Sensation's ROM are very good, I miss a really stable AOSP ROM and it could be perfect!
ROMs have gotten to the point where they are pretty much stable, what more can you ask for?
I think you'll start seeing things as HTC releases more for our devs to customize the ish out of.

Are our phones just built for Sense?

It seems like no matter how many roms I try, when I flash a Sense rom my phone seems to work best.
GPS locks on fast, not a lot of freezes, just all around a good experience.
So are HTC phones meant to go hand in hand with Sense?
mikejet said:
It seems like no matter how many roms I try, when I flash a Sense rom my phone seems to work best.
GPS locks on fast, not a lot of freezes, just all around a good experience.
So are HTC phones meant to go hand in hand with Sense?
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Sense OSs are de-tox'd versions of other OSs ports or built strictly from code.
Long and short of it, Sense OSs are from HTC directly. Yes they will work "better".
Personally i've not had any of the symptoms you are having with CM252
neidlinger said:
Sense OSs are de-tox'd versions of other OSs ports or built strictly from code.
Long and short of it, Sense OSs are from HTC directly. Yes they will work "better".
Personally i've not had any of the symptoms you are having with CM252
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same here, been running CM252 without any issues since it was released. IMO Sense roms run a little "slow" for me (damn bloatware )
ive run both cm7 and miui and neither one have given me any issues. sure, you may have an odd happening once in a while, but no more than the stock rom. in fact, after running the miui build im on now, i wouldnt even consider going back to stock
Most likely Sense builds are just more polished and bug-free than CM and/or MIUI, even when ported from another phone. Since this phone is essentially the same as other MSM8x55 siblings (Desire HD, Desire S, etc), not a lot of things can go wrong in porting, given a proper kernel (which is released and available for ROM developers), excluding the porting from phones with different resolution (Sensation).
cm7 and miui - agreed, no problems here either.
... and for Sense ROMs have started using ROM Cleaner which is excellent IMHO

[Q] Flashing Other Carriers Kernels?

So someone please explain to me how This Is possible. I was under the belief in my understanding of android that this is a BIG NO NO. I do realize and I may not fully understand the similarities and differences between the different versions of the SGS3 but I would think that because of the Radio being different among all of the carriers that Kernels would be totally different as well. I will reference the Fascinate and the Mesmerize for example. Pretty much the same phone but completely different as far as anything and everything development wise. So what it boils down is this
1. Can we flash kernels designed for the At&t, Sprint, or T-Mobile versions of our phone.
2.What versions of the SGS3 can we SAFELY flash Kernels from.
3.How is this possible given the differences in the different phones.(Question for my sake cause I am really curious and hope i can get a good explanation regarding this)
Aali1011 said:
So someone please explain to me how This Is possible. I was under the belief in my understanding of android that this is a BIG NO NO. I do realize and I may not fully understand the similarities and differences between the different versions of the SGS3 but I would think that because of the Radio being different among all of the carriers that Kernels would be totally different as well. I will reference the Fascinate and the Mesmerize for example. Pretty much the same phone but completely different as far as anything and everything development wise. So what it boils down is this
1. Can we flash kernels designed for the At&t, Sprint, or T-Mobile versions of our phone.
2.What versions of the SGS3 can we SAFELY flash Kernels from.
3.How is this possible given the differences in the different phones.(Question for my sake cause I am really curious and hope i can get a good explanation regarding this)
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There have been some successful instances of sprint kernels being flashed that I've seen, but it is never a great idea to flash kernels not specifically designed for your phone. btw. there are some pretty good kernels available for vzw now
It's a pretty bad idea. There is a very small chance it could work but more than likely it won't boot
arrogantS3 said:
There have been some successful instances of sprint kernels being flashed that I've seen, but it is never a great idea to flash kernels not specifically designed for your phone. btw. there are some pretty good kernels available for vzw now
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And i figured as much. I am just REALLY surprised it worked and I just kinda wanna know why it worked. The technical reasons to be honest. But to play it safe i will just stick with those kernels that have been made for the Verizon version thus far. I am still hesitant using the Sprint Kernel even knowing it works.
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It's a pretty bad idea. There is a very small chance it could work but more than likely it won't boot
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And based of of you saying this and me knowing this is why i ask lol. Cause like arrogant says there have been successful flashes of the Sprint Kernel. Again idk everything there is about Android but i wonder if it possible due to the fact our unlocked bootloader is partially sprint or something along those lines. That is why i was hoping someone would see this and chime in with a technical explanation and then either a go for it, no, or tread with caution. When the phone was being released there was talks of a rom kitchen being established between the carriers and i was hoping that this was a part of that. Meaning that someone who Devs for the AT&T version of the SGS3 can have their rom or kernel ported to Sprint version and then the Verizon and T-Mobile variants. Idk if the kitchen is still a possibility or in the works but it would be cool to see it kernel wise considering most are running AOSP based roms.
I tried to flash att one two days ago, can not turn wifi on....
So, not recommended
Aali1011 said:
And based of of you saying this and me knowing this is why i ask lol. Cause like arrogant says there have been successful flashes of the Sprint Kernel. Again idk everything there is about Android but i wonder if it possible due to the fact our unlocked bootloader is partially sprint or something along those lines. That is why i was hoping someone would see this and chime in with a technical explanation and then either a go for it, no, or tread with caution. When the phone was being released there was talks of a rom kitchen being established between the carriers and i was hoping that this was a part of that. Meaning that someone who Devs for the AT&T version of the SGS3 can have their rom or kernel ported to Sprint version and then the Verizon and T-Mobile variants. Idk if the kitchen is still a possibility or in the works but it would be cool to see it kernel wise considering most are running AOSP based roms.
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Some kernels could very well work, same as some stock themes for sprint will work with stock roms on verizon (jellybomb domination being one of them) the issue is that some things could be carried over that may not play nice with our phones and vice versa. While it may run perfectly fine, there's a greater risk that it could break something.
I have yet to run an AOSP rom because of the IMEI issues, so i can't really comment on that, but i know if i was going to flash another carriers kernel i would make sure to make a backup first.

Stable ICS/JB ROMs?

Hey.
I've been on jb roms since they came out for desire s and have been using ics before that. However... ics roms have been in beta stage since ever and have not really advanced in terms of having stable or even working main functions. Well this is because of the fact that our devs did not have kernel sources. There have been words that kernel source release would solve all our major issues like front cam and others. But kernel source has been released and I'm seeing a decline in our forum's traffic and in development. I know i's partly due to many original members leaving. But I also hear that devs are facing difficulty in making the kernel. So I want to ask, will we ever have fully stable ics or jb roms or is this not a possibility?
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Sorry for the tone, but this is a pretty pointless thread (IMO) there are already several others in a similar vein that exist and as we don't have a time machine and can't see into the future....although speculation appears to what the majority of threads contains these days....
This is now unfortunately an old device and as you rightly pointed out lots of the forums previous users have moved on to bigger and better new devices so the forum traffic was always bound to fall. We still have several devs that are developing for this device so don't do them a dis-service by suggesting that no progress has been made. Just look at the CM, AKOP and JB source build threads for examples.....
Since the release of the kernel source - progress has certainly been made, just look at the tweaked kernel we can now use, in which we are now able to UV & OC not to mention that the wifi tether issues are now resolved... everything takes time, so be patient....or learn to code yourself and help out!
ben_pyett said:
Sorry for the tone, but this is a pretty pointless thread (IMO) there are already several others in a similar vein that exist and as we don't have a time machine and can't see into the future....although speculation appears to what the majority of threads contains these days....
This is now unfortunately an old device and as you rightly pointed out lots of the forums previous users have moved on to bigger and better new devices so the forum traffic was always bound to fall. We still have several devs that are developing for this device so don't do them a dis-service by suggesting that no progress has been made. Just look at the CM and AKOP threads for examples.....
Since the release of the kernel source - progress has certainly been made, just look at the tweaked kernel we can now use, in which we are now able to UV & OC not to mention that the wifi tether issues are now resolved... everything takes time, so be patient....or learn to code yourself and help out!
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I fully understand the devs' hard work and their dedications. That's not what this thread is asking. It seems to many devs that they are still having a hard time adjusting ics and jb to our device even upon kernel source release. Despite the prior speculation that things would be much easier with kernel source. So I was bringing the problem forth to see if it is possible for us to have stable ics or jb roms. No need to be all defensive. Just want an objective discussion
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custom roms are rearly FULLY stable. there is always a little bug here and there. but since the release of the official ICS and the latest kernel source ICS roms are getting mature at last. and if you're still not satisfied, wait a month more. or flash the official ICS and have a really stable rom now.
JB is another story. there is no native kernel source for it and i doubt there will ever be.
I totally see where you are both coming from. The kernel source was released over a fortnight ago.
I agree with Ben, in respect we should appreciate what the current devs have given us etc etc,
But I also agree with skim, I am quite surprised that with the kernel source released, AOSP still hasn't got a functional kernel based on our Saga build. (Andromadus is using a kernel port)
I was hoping for at least ICS AOSP to be working by now, but I guess that is not the case
The forums have certainly gone a lot quieter now, and I suspect by the end of the year, even more of us will leave
But back to the original point, I wish that things could pick up like they were this time last year, but sadly that will never happen.
I have no intentions of insulting any devs, I truly appreciate the work they have provided us, and I haven't contributed anything particularly useful, so I am in no position to do so, but this is just how I feel.
When I look through forums like the S2, I envy the development... even after a year, ROMs are still on full scale, with so many choices to choose from...
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Unfortunately Oly I don't think that you can compare the DS to the SGS2. We unfortunately were never a main stream device (like the SGS2), we sadly missed the boat, with the Sensation coming out shortly after our release, I reckon that the focus went from DHD to Sensation and the limelight never really shone on us long enough to get a main stream following.
The Samsung onslaught appears to unbeatable currently sadly even the One series hasn't really made a dent.
We must all accept the inevitable that our device (Desire S) is by fact outdated with the phase of how fast mobile technology comes. That said, sooner or later, our thread will surely die.
It is with great appreciation that our devs are prolonging the inevitable. Most will surely be having new devices comes these coming months. I too will be leaving the scene as a new device is surely coming at hand in two months time.
Everything in our life changes. One must be oblige to flow with it. If not, one will be left alone and at lost.
P.S.
For an answer for the OP. THERE WILL BE a stable JB/ICS ROM as long as a dev will be willing to still work on it. If not, then THERE WILL BE NOT.
Long answer short: we will never know unless there will be one.
Moral of this post: learn to accept the truth that you have to move on to a new device if you really want to have a stable up-to-date ROM, even past JB.
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Well, that was philosophical!
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Skanob said:
We must all accept the inevitable that our device (Desire S) is by fact outdated with the phase of how fast mobile technology comes. That said, sooner or later, our thread will surely die.
It is with great appreciation that our devs are prolonging the inevitable. Most will surely be having new devices comes these coming months. I too will be leaving the scene as a new device is surely coming at hand in two months time.
Everything in our life changes. One must be oblige to flow with it. If not, one will be left alone and at lost.
P.S.
For an answer for the OP. THERE WILL BE a stable JB/ICS ROM as long as a dev will be willing to still work on it. If not, then THERE WILL BE NOT.
Long answer short: we will never know unless there will be one.
Moral of this post: learn to accept the truth that you have to move on to a new device if you really want to have a stable up-to-date ROM, even past JB.
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Haha I don't know about you man... but I'm a student and learning to move on to a new device is not as easy as it sounds. I'm stuck with a contract until next April. So ill be sticking around here till then xD
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I think custom roms have advantages, but it's not easy for the devs to make them perfect.
If i compare the stock ROM of x10mini/pro with custom cm6/7 ROM, the stock ROM sucks...
SteveO_ said:
I think custom roms have advantages, but it's not easy for the devs to make them perfect.
If i compare the stock ROM of x10mini/pro with custom cm6/7 ROM, the stock ROM sucks...
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htc stock rom ( sense ) , indeed, the best stock of all android. I've been using samsung, motorola and sony, but nothing is better than sense.
anazhd said:
htc stock rom ( sense ) , indeed, the best stock of all android. I've been using samsung, motorola and sony, but nothing is better than sense.
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At the moment i'm using stock rom (sense) too, cause my prefered custom rom has still a problem with battery drain...
As soon this is fixed, i'll go to ICS DS again...
But at all, the ICS stock rom is working very nice...
Fallout v4.4.0 is pretty stable to me, been using since a while now.
Tonight i'll try Fallout 5.0, let's see how it is... :highfive:
MIUI 2.8.x or 2.9.x
I recently flashed MIUI 2.8.17 and its been a joyful ride! It is very very stable. I had to reboot only once so far and that is an intermittent bug. BT/WiFi/Tethering/Camera etc. etc. everything works! (hard to find that in an ICS ROM)! Its my daily ROM now.. :good:
Fallout 5.0
I got myself S-off and rooted 2 days ago.
The first custom rom Ive tried is Fallout 5.0. Only one day into my test and it's very stable and fast compared to stock gingerbread.
I'm very pleased with it so far :good:
anazhd said:
htc stock rom ( sense ) , indeed, the best stock of all android. I've been using samsung, motorola and sony, but nothing is better than sense.
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My Gingerbread stock rom experience made me root my phone. I kept getting the white screen with the green HTC logo and no matter what I did it always came back. I have now tried out about 5 or 6 custom roms and this issue no longer appears. Of course there are other issues, some of which are serious. But there are ROMs which are in general more than good enough for day to day usage. I currently use ICE-DSv5 but for example Fallout v4.4 is stable (v5 is not stable for me but it is for a lot of people).
If you are interested you can look at my other thread here called "My First Rooted Phone" for an overview of my experiences so far.
Blindbean and Codename are great JB roms, not fully stable, but good to work with.
Yes. I flash every recent roms so I know how they are. I started this thread to get an idea of if it is possible to have a stable rom. The devs have been struggling with major bugs since early this year and we're still stuck with the same bugs we had prior to the release of the kernel sources. I do know it is a difficult process. But wanted an answer from a dev. Is it possible for us to have working front cam, proper video playback, etc. ? This isn't complaining btw just wanted an answer other than "be patient. Be thankful. It's good enough"
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if you want stable flash rooted stock. it has everything you mentioned. combine it with tweaked kernel and you have even more...

[Q] AT&T Skyrocket ROMS

FIRST: I don’t have this phone already (yeah, I’ve written it in the past) but I’m in love with it and planning to buy one next month.
Well, I know ICS is already on our way BUT, during this week, we had a major breakthrough with Exhilarate ICS ROM. Looking for other phones with same config (well, chipset, at least) I found AT&T Skyrocket:
http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=4303&idPhone2=4420
Does it helps knowing this? I mean, wouldn’t it be easier to port Skyrocket ROMS to GSB4G? If I had one I’d probably be flashing its ROMS already!
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FIRST: I don’t have this phone already (yeah, I’ve written it in the past) but I’m in love with it and planning to buy one next month.
Well, I know ICS is already on our way BUT, during this week, we had a major breakthrough with Exhilarate ICS ROM. Looking for other phones with same config (well, chipset, at least) I found AT&T Skyrocket:
http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=4303&idPhone2=4420
Does it helps knowing this? I mean, wouldn’t it be easier to port Skyrocket ROMS to GSB4G? If I had one I’d probably be flashing its ROMS already!
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probably, the biggest issue is the kernal. and with the blaze getting official ICS tomorrow, i seriously doubt any dev is going to delve into ripping apart the skyrocket's to make it compatible (especially since we hack-n-slashed into Exhilarates stock ICS image over the weekend).
when the ICS rom is released (and source probably about a month later) we'll be open to every single port with relativistic ease. No sense in tearing apart another kernal
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Just tried to flash stock ICS and CM9 from one of my coworkers, he has a skyrocket. all you get is a bootloop. so, not as compatible as Exhilarate regardless. Since I just got rid of the exhilarate ICS ROM and we're getting our own tomorrow regardless, might take this opportunity to go back to stock and get ready for Kies

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