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im new to the mt4g slide, but i used to own a regular mt4g and there were plenty of fully functional/stable, fast sense 3.5 roms available for it. is there any for the mt4gs? ive looked thru the dev section and found a couple blind ports but not much feedback on them. sense 3.5 is waaaaaay faster/smoother than 3.0, and if i imagine it would be butter smooth on a device like ours with its hardware specs.
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if i knew the first thing about how to i surely would, but im no dev. just an idiot with a smartphone
What makes sense 3.5 different from sense 3.0?
If a clear, factual answer can be given to that question, a sense 3.5 rom can be made.
This is my first smart phone. Sense 3.0 is all I know as far as sense goes.
What's different?
From time to time people ask this question, and I ask this one in turn. To date no one has been able to tell me, so...?
If you can't articulate what you want I can't give it to you, and neither can anyone else.
You request a sense 3.5 rom.
I request a sense 3.5 definition.
Help me and I can help you.
As far as the difference for me, Sense 3.5 I feel the biggest difference is Bliss launcher. It just looks a lot cleaner in my opinion.
Blue6IX said:
What makes sense 3.5 different from sense 3.0?
If a clear, factual answer can be given to that question, a sense 3.5 rom can be made.
This is my first smart phone. Sense 3.0 is all I know as far as sense goes.
What's different?
From time to time people ask this question, and I ask this one in turn. To date no one has been able to tell me, so...?
If you can't articulate what you want I can't give it to you, and neither can anyone else.
You request a sense 3.5 rom.
I request a sense 3.5 definition.
Help me and I can help you.
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from what ive read it was made to run on single core phones, therefore running it on dual core makes it that much faster. also the UI is a bit more polished, has a few more widgets, and has the fancy rotation animations. from my experience with the MT4g it was far smoother than 3.0 roms i had tried. so i guess the definition would be its an upgrade from 3.0
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As far as the difference for me, Sense 3.5 I feel the biggest difference is Bliss launcher. It just looks a lot cleaner in my opinion.
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i never really dug the bliss launcher. most 3.5 roms have tweaks built in where you can chose between the bliss an stock rosie
This thread is in Development because I mean to share a development idea that I had with the devs here. I don't have the knowledge or skill to work this out myself, so I'm hoping to start a discussion among devs who can do something with it.
Right. At the moment, Sense 2.1/3.0 hybrid ROMs are all using the Sense 3.0 lockscreen - but it's still an old version of that lockscreen, ported in the early days of the HTC Sensation (by seo if I'm correct). Resizing for the lower resolution on the Desire was necessary, and you can see that clearly on the lockscreen - icons and text appear slightly "squashed", and performance is slightly choppy as well.
However, on full Sense 3.5 ROMs ported from the HTC Runnymede, the lockscreen is graphically flawless, and it's lagfree as well, probably largely due to the fact that no resizing is involved. It's just a much better lockscreen than the Sense 3.0 one found in Sense 2.1/3.0 hybrids.
My question/idea is: could this properly sized Sense 3.5 lockscreen be ported from Bliss or Runnymede ROMs to work in Sense 2.1 ROMs?
I'm hoping for this to be a place for devs to discuss and hopefully work out this idea. Mods, if you still think this is in the wrong place, feel free to move.
Thanks in advance!
Question is whose ROM for Base?
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Question is whose ROM for Base?
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I suggest Rsk or Seb's ROM
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Both of which are based on Runnymede RUUs. Keep in mind that the question is to port the lockscreen from Sense 3.5, not from a single specific Sense 3.5 ROM - so the base will come from HTC, not from any custom ROM developer here.
In other words, this question is pretty much irrelevant.
Bump. I'm hoping at least one of the few developers still left here could look into this.
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Bump. I'm hoping at least one of the few developers still left here could look into this.
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Might have a go if you want. Something different. Not for a couple of days though. Sense isn't my thing but smali /apktool is. I'll pm when I can.
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Might have a go if you want. Something different. Not for a couple of days though. Sense isn't my thing but smali /apktool is. I'll pm when I can.
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Many thanks, man! Looking forward to it.
I was hoping we could do most of our communication in this thread, though. That way, other devs could chip in wherever help may be needed. And that could be welcome, if Sense really isn't your thing
Hoping to see as much dev input as possible here, and it seems we're off to a great start. Thanks again!
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Many thanks, man! Looking forward to it.
I was hoping we could do most of our communication in this thread, though. That way, other devs could chip in wherever help may be needed. And that could be welcome, if Sense really isn't your thing
Hoping to see as much dev input as possible here, and it seems we're off to a great start. Thanks again!
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Ok no probs. I have enough pms for porting and mods, a thread would be a good change
No promises, but ill do my best to have it done this weekend. It's not that I'm anti-sense, but I've always been on my miui builds (for at least 8 of the 11 months I've owned an android phone). Fingers crossed .
Which 2.1+3.0 Rom do you use at the moment? I already have a few 3.5 zips so can get the lockscreen easy enough, just need to know which Rom to use when doing the porting /testing? (and so I can see what you mean about the visual problems.)
Still won't know how big a task it is until I look tomorrow.
His signature says he is using the Alex-V's ROM.
I haven't tried Alex-V 1.8 ROM yet, but i use InsertCoin for years now. I'd love to see it in InsertCoin 1.1.4 as well. I'll stay tuned.
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Which 2.1+3.0 Rom do you use at the moment? I already have a few 3.5 zips so can get the lockscreen easy enough, just need to know which Rom to use when doing the porting /testing? (and so I can see what you mean about the visual problems.)
Still won't know how big a task it is until I look tomorrow.
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I'm on Alex-V 1.8 for cm7r2 now, the link is in my sig. I don't think there's much of a difference with other 2.1/3.0 ROMs (like InsertCoin), if any difference at all - as far as the lockscreen goes, that is. They all use different implementations of a2sd (standard, data++, ad2sdx, even int2sd), which probably needs looking into.
And take your time. It's already immensely appreciated that you're willing to look into it in the first place.
This looks like a very interesting project. To be honest though, I don't think a hacked up version of the ring lockscreen will go any faster on sense 2.1 roms.
If you check out any pure Sense 3 port you will see that the lockscreen is way smoother than any 2.1/3.0 hybrid or even a 3.5 rom, even with all the resizing.
In my opinion it all comes down to framework changes between sense versions.
But anyway, I guess a good starting point would be a smali by smali compare between an original sense3 htclockscreen.apk and one from the hybrid roms to roughly see what needs changing. Then you could try to apply the same modifications in the 3.5 lockscreen apk.
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This looks like a very interesting project. To be honest though, I don't think a hacked up version of the ring lockscreen will go any faster on sense 2.1 roms.
If you check out any pure Sense 3 port you will see that the lockscreen is way smoother than any 2.1/3.0 hybrid or even a 3.5 rom, even with all the resizing.
In my opinion it all comes down to framework changes between sense versions.
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Possibly, but in any case we'd still lose the graphical imperfections of the old, resized Sense 3.0 lockscreen. In Sense 3.5, the ring is a lot bigger too - it sticks out further from the bottom, making it easier to grab and unlock. Even just graphically, it's better than the current lockscreen.
Also, nobody's ever tried this, so we'd never know if it'll be faster.
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But anyway, I guess a good starting point would be a smali by smali compare between an original sense3 htclockscreen.apk and one from the hybrid roms to roughly see what needs changing. Then you could try to apply the same modifications in the 3.5 lockscreen apk.
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I concur. Thanks for your input!
Trust me, I know what needs doing
How hard it is to do is the question, porting apks between frameworks is fairly simple unless they are massively different and the apk is hugely dependent on it.
I had miui v4 themes working on evervolv by hand porting the code, and ported apks between frameworks before so have a fair idea what needs doing .
This thread will turn out to be highly educational then. Nice
Just fyi, due to a couple of things taking longer than I thought yesterday, will most likely get around to looking at this on Wednesday. I'll post when I have anything useful.
Alright. No worries, I've got plenty of revision to kill time until then.
Is there a way to "install" Sense 3.0 lockscreen on Sense 1.9 (stock HTC gingerbread for Desire)?
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Is there a way to "install" Sense 3.0 lockscreen on Sense 1.9 (stock HTC gingerbread for Desire)?
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Not without modifying it, and no, I have no plans to look at anything else sense related, sorry.
Please stay on topic.
Been trying to get Alex-Vs rom since yesterday, and download is stuck at 98% and has been disconnecting constantly. PITA and I'm tired so hopefully it'll finish tomorrow and I can have a look.
I just got this phone about a week ago!
So yeah, I'm using OrDroid 8.2 currently, and I'm finding the image quality to be quite.... sub-par. The images always end up noisy and I can't really use the zoom function as it always produces blurry pictures (even when I focus the camera). Apparently, images captured on Sense 4 roms for the HTC Sensation aren't as good when compared to Sense 3.6 roms. Is this true? If so, I'd definitely switch back to ARHD.
If there is an even better rom for camera taking and overall performance, please do recommend as I'm an avid gamer too!
Thanks
Yes. Sense 3.6 with HQ Camera Mod is way better than Sense 4 wit or without HQ camera Mod. Sense 4 camera is more grainy. I like Sense 3.6 better. Just wishing that the Camera could be ported. (Not yet been done).
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I just got this phone about a week ago!
So yeah, I'm using OrDroid 8.2 currently, and I'm finding the image quality to be quite.... sub-par. The images always end up noisy and I can't really use the zoom function as it always produces blurry pictures (even when I focus the camera). Apparently, images captured on Sense 4 roms for the HTC Sensation aren't as good when compared to Sense 3.6 roms. Is this true? If so, I'd definitely switch back to ARHD.
If there is an even better rom for camera taking and overall performance, please do recommend as I'm an avid gamer too!
Thanks
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Ever tried elegancia Sense4 v1.1.0?
gesendet von meinem Htc Sensation Elegancia Sense4 v 1.1.0 running Faux Kernel
try this one and tell me if it helps
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1533238
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try this one and tell me if it helps
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1533238
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this doesnt work sense 4 with new base.
Could You try Sense o Maniac rom
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1404691
Hq Camera and Bricked kernel...
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this doesnt work sense 4 with new base.
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oh my, i didn't have in mind the new base for i am still on the semi-new base (ordroid 8.5.2)
sry mate
I just wanted to put this out there since people seem to be asking about it time after time.
I enjoy the Sense camera. It is probably my favourite feature of Sense. I also do not like the Camera in AOSP ROMs. It is one of my most hated features of AOSP. But, we cannot at this point have the Sense Camera in AOSP ROMs. I will explain why below.
In the Sense Camera's APK (Package File) the Sense Camera, much like other applications, uses APIs which reference specific parts of the ROM its running. For example, in Holo-looking apps, all the stuff drawn for the most part is not coded into there using images. Instead, it references the image files and layouts from the framework of ICS ROMs (which is also why Holo apps will probably never work on GB either).
This is very similar to the situation that the Sense camera on AOSP is in. Sense is not just a "skin" sitting atop Android. It is integrated directly into the framework of the ROM. It contains APIs that are not usually present in AOSP ROMs. Because of this, it is impossible currently to run the Sense camera in the AOSP environment. However, if someone was to decompile the Sense camera and edit the smali (probably one of the hardest things to do and also the most annoying) then we could run it. But thats nearly impossible since you would need to edit the smali directly since there is no source code for the Sense parts.
If you want the Sense Camera, then use a Sense based ROM. You will most probably never be able to run the Sense camera on AOSP ROMs.
For now, in AOSP I am using "UCam" from the market. It has a bunch of the features from the Sense camera that I enjoy.
Thx rohan. I appreciate all your work. I have aokp as a nandroid right now on my phone but am back on cleanrom just because of the camera. The rest of the rom is amazing. I will give ucam a shot.
Does video work with it?
Nm just restored. Can't connect to camera error with video.
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rohan32 said:
I just wanted to put this out there since people seem to be asking about it time after time.
I enjoy the Sense camera. It is probably my favourite feature of Sense. I also do not like the Camera in AOSP ROMs. It is one of my most hated features of AOSP. But, we cannot at this point have the Sense Camera in AOSP ROMs. I will explain why below.
In the Sense Camera's APK (Package File) the Sense Camera, much like other applications, uses APIs which reference specific parts of the ROM its running. For example, in Holo-looking apps, all the stuff drawn for the most part is not coded into there using images. Instead, it references the image files and layouts from the framework of ICS ROMs (which is also why Holo apps will probably never work on GB either).
This is very similar to the situation that the Sense camera on AOSP is in. Sense is not just a "skin" sitting atop Android. It is integrated directly into the framework of the ROM. It contains APIs that are not usually present in AOSP ROMs. Because of this, it is impossible currently to run the Sense camera in the AOSP environment. However, if someone was to decompile the Sense camera and edit the smali (probably one of the hardest things to do and also the most annoying) then we could run it. But thats nearly impossible since you would need to edit the smali directly since there is no source code for the Sense parts.
If you want the Sense Camera, then use a Sense based ROM. You will most probably never be able to run the Sense camera on AOSP ROMs.
For now, in AOSP I am using "UCam" from the market. It has a bunch of the features from the Sense camera that I enjoy.
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Thanks for posting this. As a huge fan of the Sense camera app, it's disappointing to read, but it's also good to know the technical details behind the limitations.
Not to mention proprietary drivers for the image sense chip. You won't get those either.
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I'm in love with Nocturnal's Senseless ROM at the moment.
Which, while I'm sure is built upon sense, has a nearly complete AOSP look and feel....and has the awesome sense camera UI.
A worthy compromise?
I'm so glad that this thread exists. I assumed that this was the reason that I hadn't seen the Sense camera ported to any AOSP ROM and having it confirmed just puts my mind at ease. Now I don't need to keep hunting and waiting. I've been trying out UCam and it's been working pretty great. I still miss the tight integration with the image chip and can notice a difference between the Sense camera and other apps, but I figure it's just a compromise I have to make to get all the best features of custom ROMs.
I would love to see this exist! If someone can point me in the direction of where to learn I'm sure I could try!
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However, if someone was to decompile the Sense camera and edit the smali (probably one of the hardest things to do and also the most annoying) then we could run it. But thats nearly impossible since you would need to edit the smali directly since there is no source code for the Sense parts.
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Thanks for the great explanation.
You used to be around the Xoom forums when it was first released, right? That smali editing sounds like what BRD did to give us those amazing Tiamat ROMs early on.
Would a bounty thread help? I'll start it off with $50!
Billy
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Thanks rohan for the detailed explanation.
We just need this guy to make a gingerMODesk rom for the One X. Basically the most AOSPed ROM you can get without the lack of the nice features from the SGS2 Touchwisz rom
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1220283
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We just need this guy to make a gingerMODesk rom for the One X. Basically the most AOSPed ROM you can get without the lack of the nice features from the SGS2 Touchwisz rom
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1220283
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Thats basically one of the cleanROMs that scott makes (i forget what its called... developer mode? something)
what other camera app uses the image sense chip in our HOX
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Hey Rohan, First thanks for all the work you are doing.
I meant no disrespect when I expressed my concerns. I was just curious if this could be done. I understand the situation much better now, and thanks for the further clarification.
Keep up the good work.
Honestly not having the Sense camera is whats holding me back from flashing other roms, you really never know how good it is till you use other rom cameras.
I take a lot of pics (instagram junkie) and when I compare pic quality its almost night and day. There are some great - teriffic roms out, but the sense camera is just that good.
Raadius said:
Honestly not having the Sense camera is whats holding me back from flashing other roms, you really never know how good it is till you use other rom cameras.
I take a lot of pics (instagram junkie) and when I compare pic quality its almost night and day. There are some great - teriffic roms out, but the sense camera is just that good.
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We had a discussion about this over in the AOKP thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=29914879&postcount=1417
Long story short - a lot of what makes the Sense camera better is the fact it automatically sharpens the image and does a bit of noise reduction.
In MIUI V5 they use sense camera, and I dont think MIUI is based on sense framework. Is it? If not how have they done it?
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In MIUI V5 they use sense camera, and I dont think MIUI is based on sense framework. Is it? If not how have they done it?
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But it is sense based
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Honestly, the only thing I really am missing from Sense camera is slow-motion. I want that on my N5 so bad. I used it a lot actually.
My HOXl for your Nexus?
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Firstly before you all going bashing me about "WHY DON'T YOU DO THIS INSTEAD OF ASKING US?", my reply is I have tried and no dice, but I will keep trying.
Hey guys,
So many people are asking about an AOSP rom or pseudo-AOSP rom with a Sense camera. Now if you were like me and upgraded from the sensation, then you would remember HyperNonSense by Splder. For those who don't: It's a sense based rom with everything sense removed except libs and stuff, so yay sense camera with aosp things!
I was hoping that we could get something similar. Maybe ask Splder for help if needed. Just throwing it out there...
Link: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1581619
Regards!
AW: (Suggestion) AOSP thats sense based
I think that's exactly what you get if you install viper without sense.
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I think that's exactly what you get if you install viper without sense.
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Are you sure? When I tried that, all I got was a Sense ROM with Nova Launcher.
Maybe it has changed since then, but I am happy with my AOSP ROM
it would be necessary to add aosp apps (don´t know if this is possible) to the sense base, also the notification bar... Animations, fonts, lockscreens and these things would be easy to port.
It would be really nice to have the aosp look speed and smoothness on a sense base, not just for the camera but also for the better optimized base than cm10/10.1
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it would be necessary to add aosp apps (don´t know if this is possible) to the sense base, also the notification bar... Animations, fonts, lockscreens and these things would be easy to port.
It would be really nice to have the aosp look speed and smoothness on a sense base, not just for the camera but also for the better optimized base than cm10/10.1
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Agreed with this, Sense is good for it's integration with HTC hardware and the fact that it integrates functionality from a number of different apps into its ROM (widgets, notes app, etc.) but the memory usage and bloat is annoying. Sure getting a deodexed Sense ROM fixes that but the purity of AOSP along with the hardware/software support for the camera would be excellent!
Can someone explain to me what the big difference is with the Sense camera and the Stock JB one? My pictures are excellent with my ROM and I didn't see a big drop off with the features of the stock camera so what gives?
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Can someone explain to me what the big difference is with the Sense camera and the Stock JB one? My pictures are excellent with my ROM and I didn't see a big drop off with the features of the stock camera so what gives?
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I don't know about you, but If I put pictures side by side (one taken from sense, other from aosp) there is a definite drop in quality and steadyness. It's not one of those placebo effects or bias towards sense, proofs just there.
Once I've done some minor tweaks(Bravia) my pictures side by side look relatively similar. I'll take a slight drop off in the camera since AOSP takes a diarrhea dump on Sense in terms of speed
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Hi Alaq, I was exactly in your situation when I upgraded from HTC Sensation to HTC One S. The closest ROM I could find is Jellybean NonSense by $droyd$. It's not really as comprehensively AOSP as HyperSense on Sensation, but it's pretty much the only other One S ROM that's kind of AOSP with Sense camera. I don't think the ROM will be getting updates anymore, which is why I recently switched to ViperROM S and a custom launcher for the time being.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2072944