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First, my phone info as reported by Settings/About Phone:
Model: Samsung-SGH-I897
Firmware: 2.1-update1
Baseband: I897UCJH7
Kernel: 2.6.29 [email protected] #2
Build Number: ECLAIR.UCJH7
I have visited the ROM section and I probably dont need to tell you that it is just a little bit confusing (for me anyway)as to which ROM to use.
I would like to flash a new ROM to bring me up to FroYo and I "think" I want to use the Andromeda ROM. I have a couple of questions though.
First, (for the Devs) should I go ahead and flash to FroYo or wait for am Android 3.0 ROM (assuming one is forthcoming)?
Second, is the difference between the "themed" and "un-themed" ROM just cosmetic? Do they both function the same?
There are a few "how to" threads on flashing. They are very detailed and take you step by step. I'd suggest you read or watch the videos.
The questions about Andromeda are well covered in the thread. You just need to read through it. Flashing now or waiting is purely up to you. There's not a GB ROM that's stable enough to run day to day. There's only one that I know of and they are still working a lot of problems out of it.
Thank you.
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Second, is the difference between the "themed" and "un-themed" ROM just cosmetic? Do they both function the same?
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Yep, just prettier (in some cases that is).
I'm really looking for a ROM that is as close to "stock" Froyo as possible that will work well with my U.S. phone. I understand Cognition is built on the just released Rogers build, but should I use a Canadian build on my U.S. phone?
I'm using Cognition and find it really nice. No Canadian phrases coming out of it.
If you are going to flash your first rom make sure you read through the forums and figure your what you need to do. Everything that you need are in them. I just flashed my first rom this weekend. Forums are very helpful!!
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I897. Using Cognition, Firebird, and JL2 modem.
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I'm really looking for a ROM that is as close to "stock" Froyo as possible that will work well with my U.S. phone. I understand Cognition is built on the just released Rogers build, but should I use a Canadian build on my U.S. phone?
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I live in Canada and use an American captivate using the cognition ROM and it works just fine.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I897
Serendipity 5.x is by far the best Captivate ROM out there, in my opinion. Fast, clean, stable, bloat-free, and tastefully themed.
I just flashed the un-themed version of Andromeda, needless to say I was and am still very pleased with it. It was my first time flashing a ROM and went very smoothly, I guess I just got sick of AT&T jerking around.
I might make a quick video comparing Andromeda 1.0 on the captivate to a stock captivate (my bro's). That is if there is any interest in one.
Btw does any one know when the over clocked kernels will be released, I'm pretty anxious to try them out.
How do you like Andromeda? I started with cognition, then used phoenix for a while and liked both of them. I switched to serendipity last week and it has been rock solid to be honest, but I am always wanting to tinker with this thing. I flashed the KNP1 modem today to see if I get the better data speeds people are reporting and am hoping to gain a little battery life.
I guess everybody has thier own favorite ROM. I am kind of leaning toward either Cognition or Phoenix but cant decide which one. I want as close to "stock" 2.2 (or 2.3) as possible and it looks like Cognition might be the way to go. I have read through the Cognition Wiki and cant determine which flavor of Android (2.2/2.3) Cognition 3.04 is based on (unless I missed it). Anyone know?
TayzGpa said:
I have read through the Cognition Wiki and cant determine which flavor of Android (2.2/2.3) Cognition 3.04 is based on (unless I missed it). Anyone know?
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There are some videos on you tube that walk you trough the flashing process that I found to be really helpful for my first flash. I also had a written walk thru up from this site. I had no problems with my first using these 2 restorers. Good luck. And andromeda looks very cool. There are also rom reviews on you tube that show you what the rom does. Good luck
Sent from my SGH-I897 using XDA App
jferg5 said:
There are some videos on you tube that walk you trough the flashing process that I found to be really helpful for my first flash. I also had a written walk thru up from this site. I had no problems with my first using these 2 restorers. Good luck. And andromeda looks very cool. There are also rom reviews on you tube that show you what the rom does. Good luck
Sent from my SGH-I897 using XDA App
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=877652
If you haven't already please read through the guide in my sig.
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If you haven't already please read through the guide in my sig.
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I read through the guide "Guide for choosing the right rom for YOU" that you link to in your sig; and i see nothing about choosing the right ROM For me.
The title suggests that there is a guide to choosing a ROM - maybe a matrix of features, or a questions list to help someone decide. Instead the closest thing i find is one sentence "Go to the Android Development Section and read through different [ROM] threads to see what features will work best for you. I have also found it useful to read through the last couple of pages to see what other users think about the current version of the rom"
Did i miss something? Where is the guide to choosing the right ROM for me?
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I read through the guide "Guide for choosing the right rom for YOU" that you link to in your sig; and i see nothing about choosing the right ROM For me.
The title suggests that there is a guide to choosing a ROM - maybe a matrix of features, or a questions list to help someone decide. Instead the closest thing i find is one sentence "Go to the Android Development Section and read through different [ROM] threads to see what features will work best for you. I have also found it useful to read through the last couple of pages to see what other users think about the current version of the rom"
Did i miss something? Where is the guide to choosing the right ROM for me?
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I agree. Something like "answer these 20 questions and here's the ROM that most matches what you want" would be great. I am still trying to figure it out.
What I am looking for is, if AT&T (or Samsung for that matter) were to finally release FroYo, here is what it would most likely look like and how it would probably perform. I'm still thinking Cognition is the closest since it was based on the Canadian FroYo release but *MAN* can it be confusing.
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I read through the guide "Guide for choosing the right rom for YOU" that you link to in your sig; and i see nothing about choosing the right ROM For me.
The title suggests that there is a guide to choosing a ROM - maybe a matrix of features, or a questions list to help someone decide. Instead the closest thing i find is one sentence "Go to the Android Development Section and read through different [ROM] threads to see what features will work best for you. I have also found it useful to read through the last couple of pages to see what other users think about the current version of the rom"
Did i miss something? Where is the guide to choosing the right ROM for me?
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The point of that is so that you figure out what is best for you, not that I am telling you what to do. I am simply trying to GUIDE new users on how to go about making informed decisions on which ROM they choose. Too many people rely solely on what others say instead of trying things for themselves, which is why I created that post encouraging people to discover new things.
If you have questions about a certain rom, post in the ROM thread in the dev section. If you don't have 10 posts yet and still have questions, then post in the Q&A section, not captivate general.
What I don't think new users understand is that almost every person has a different preference about what ROM, kernel and modem combo work best. Me personally, I love di11igafs ROMs, but many other people prefer different things. Its pretty much like asking a group of random people, "what is the best car on the market and what options would get with said car?" Almost everyones answer will vary slightly.
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I agree. Something like "answer these 20 questions and here's the ROM that most matches what you want" would be great. I am still trying to figure it out.
What I am looking for is, if AT&T (or Samsung for that matter) were to finally release FroYo, here is what it would most likely look like and how it would probably perform. I'm still thinking Cognition is the closest since it was based on the Canadian FroYo release but *MAN* can it be confusing.
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Like you, I recently started trying to figure this out after getting an AT&T Captivate and I agree about the need for a better listing for features (or lack of) for each ROM. A good matrix to compare would be nice, but I fear there are so many people working on these things and it all moves so fast, it would be a full-time job just to keep it up. Reading through all this stuff is quite overwhelming. However, I honestly think it's not bad once you figure out the basics and understand the ropes. By the time you get the things to load on your phone, with Clockworkmod Recovery, Odin and some other tools, life is pretty simple--the devs have done all the hard work, you're just flashing the stuff and figuring out what you like best.
Here is what I can tell you that may help and like I said, I'm pretty new at this, so someone *please* correct me if I'm wrong. I would not want to mislead anyone:
1. Cognition is an "Americanized" version of the Rogers 2.2 Captivate release. If you want 2.2.1 you have to use another custom ROM. Everything with Cognition appears to be well done, stable and smooth. I spent a couple hours trying to get wireless tether to work only to figure out MobileAP is built in and works
2. Look up the videos on YouTube by MobileTechVideos. They are very good and well produced, plus he looks at all the different ROMs. There is a 3-part video on loading Cognition on a captivate. I used it to load 3.04 on mine in almost real time right with the video. The only thing I would caution you on is if you use Titanium Backup to restore apps, be careful about "select all" like he says you can do in the video. I'm not sure if I had backed up system data and accidentally restored it or what--didn't go back that far to check, but after I did my restore I thought everything was fine and I could not make outgoing calls the next day. I reloaded from scratch following the videos again and this time use TB to restore one app+data at a time and was very picky about what I did and it worked wonderfully.
3. Once I got everything working I started to get curious about kernels. Once you have your ROM loaded, you can flash a new kernel (has to be same version as the ROM) and you can get enhancements with speed and other things by doing so. However, I loaded Firebird and did not notice in the thread that Bluetooth doesn't work yet, so I'm trying to figure out if I can go back or if I have to start over. Not a big deal to start over since I know what I'm doing now, just want to push the limits a little cause that's how I roll For some reason after Firebird I also seen duplicate photos on my SD card, even though there were only singles. It's like thumbnails were duplicated or something. I moved the pics off to my PC and it left blank thumbnails behind. I deleted them from the gallery and put the pics back and everything cleared up. I've seen stranger things--no biggie.
4. Battery life was fairly bad at this point, dropping 10-15% or more per hour. My phone came with the JH7 modem (last digits of your Baseband version in Settings -- About Phone). Cognition 3.04 comes with JL1 and many others were reporting great battery life with JL2 so I flashed it and everything seems to be much better so far. I haven't reset the battery stats and such, but I will at some point. Looks like a lengthy process that may or may not help.
5. I see a lot of "do I have to flash to stock first" questions posted and from what I understand, it's best practice to follow the instructions and don't ask why--just do it. Learn how to backup and restore apps+data (not system data) using TB and it's no big deal.
6. I read a lot about different builds of the Captivate--lots of posts about 1006, 1007, 1008's so I was concerned about the issues discussed. I'm guessing these were the early releases. I got mine at the end of January and it's a 1012. Look under your battery right under the serial number.
I suppose once I have this part of it working well and figured out, I will probably start looking into themes and digging deeper. It's pretty addictive so once you start, you just keep wanting more and more and making it better and better. Thanks to all the devs out there. I plan on making a few donations soon, especially to Designgears since his stuff is mostly what I've worked with so far.
My advice is to take a day or two and read *A LOT*. The old carpenters saying is "Measure twice and cut once" and that is pretty much how I look at this stuff. After you figure out how the puzzle pieces fit together, you lose the fear.
Hope this helps and if I would appreciate it if someone more advanced can confirm my statements or correct me.
Wanted 2 know what Radio individuals using this Rom flashed: the Recommended one or another?
If something other than the Recommended Radio, what Radio r u using? & any probs using this different Radio?
Thanks in advance.
Hank
Newish Noob to Boob Noob...
DocHollywoodHank said:
Wanted 2 know what Radio individuals using this Rom flashed: the Recommended one or another?
If something other than the Recommended Radio, what Radio r u using? & any probs using this different Radio?
Thanks in advance.
Hank
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Howdy Hank, and Welcome. MOST devs will ask that you please read the guides and search thru what become diluted and crappy threads. Avoid Techie Litter and READ Mr. Clowns One stop Inspire Guide - in the Forum Inspire 4G Android Development - you'll want to bookmark it. There is a lot of repetition, so I can paste the best and most vital below.) and search so that you would avoid re-creating already answered threads. From what I gather and experienced, it is very repetitious and annoying answering our simple questions - its a puzzle we havent pieced together, and its on us to do that. After being somewhat literate in the geekspeak (sorry DevS!!) and you start getting more relevant inormation processed and formatted in your own Hard drive -BRAIN- You begin formulating more specific and pertinent questions. Until then, if and if and when you get an answer, the word or incomplete sentence they respond with is to encourage searching, again. - Your problem is most likely NOT unique. Informed and Deliberate SEARCHING and READing before asking is vital. YOU need to know and understand what you are doing. I Did Not. I found out the hard way.... also be sure to post all threads in appropiate section, no double posting.
We have some great developers on our forum, and the Moderator -Mr. Clown- DOES CLEAN HOUSE.
Hi Mr. Clown! Anyone ever told you how utterly freaky your profile pic is?
Finally, when your in exasperation, because you did not listen to that little voice in your head (or developer within) - and if you cant find your answer after SEARCHING - its probably a viable question. with that said....
I will post a link or two at the bottom for you. From what I gather, especially until you have some experience flashing (make a Nandroid backup everytime!!!) It would be best to stick with your stock radio. One of the most finnicky parts of rom management is flashing radios, and without a successful flash, your looking at a 500$ paperweight. Each device, (Inspire) is the same yet also different. The radio that JimBob uses and loves, may scrabble your signal and/or cause battery issues, connectivity issues etc... Dont get too caught up in maximizing the performance of your device, as simply rooting your phone and installing almost any kustom Rom/Kernal will all but increase performance to maximum. (Edit - soon you'll learn about over and under clocking... THINK SPEED!)
Flashing radios is one of the more dangerous and somewhat advanced manuevers you can perform. Proceed with caution. Did I mention you must be rooted, with S-Off, and no fewer than a buttload of worries and clicks and blah blah later, you may possibly experience better signal/battery etc. However - you can also dramatically decrease performance, and or Brick your device. I cannot stress this enough. I took these admonitions with somewhat of a lackadaisical (carefree) attitude, and many deep breaths and fingers crossed later - have learned to appreciate how much more BadA$$ my device is just being rooted, and breaking those stock parameters... YOUR PHONE IS SMART - DO NOT BE STUPID.
If you really really must flash a radio, you will also need the corresponding RIL code for said radio. Some come packaged with the radio, not all do. I only began looking earnestly into radios over the last couple of weeks, and the results were varied, but none performed better than stock. Remember a radio must be in PD98IMG.zip format or installation will be aborted. Before I climb down off my pedestal of recently acquired knowledge, let me say some of the links and the threads and info posted can often sound appealing - but lead to some pretty Pre 3G performance and worse. Sometimes there are alternatives and occasionally things will sound contradictory, However the devs usually find common ground and work together to keep everything streamlined and portaled. No. Ported. I think.
Some folks prefer the 50 click/usb debug/ abkpush method by RogerRabbitt whilst others prefer a different, easier(?) yet still (often) HIT and MISS flash from recovery... Best Way - Boot into Recovery, and Manage things yourself. You know its wiped, flashed, if not flashed - why, etc. And lets face it, the geek factor is pretty damn cool. Controlling your phones operating system is Extremely Fragile territory, but you'll feel awesome when whooing the ladies with your new P.C. slang.
"HI I am Dyliho, and Your Amazingly Beautiful...What do you say you give me SuperUser Permissions - and I Root that StockRom you've got, then I can flash your Kernal with MY Uploaded Zip, and really get you going..."
Take this with a grain of salt - but I found a method where simply renaming your radio download to 98PDIMG.zip, and placing it to the root of your sd card (sd/), then power off, then holding vol. down THEN power and hold which brings you into bootloader. As it will do everytime, it searches for the PD98IMG.zip, only this time finds it (you just created it and put it on the root of your SD) - and it takes over and you follow directions - yields seemingly flawless results (as far as flashing is concerned) and avoids some pretty scary things I have read about PermaBricks. ALWAYS CHECK MD5 SUM TO ENSURE NO FILES WERE CORRUPTED DURING TRANSFER/DOWNLOAD BEFORE YOU FLASH. Before you Flash. AGAIN - before you flash verify... The md5 sum when matching Devs md5 sum is verification the file is complete. A RADIO MUST BE WHOLESOME AND CLEANLY TRANSFERED/DOWNLOADED. Other Stuff is fixable (generally) or just wont flash, but no harm no foul.... A failed radio boot you can't recover from they say. I dont want to know. Three radios flashed for me yielded horrible results with signal and battery for One, while the ATT Radio and New Update seem to yield the same statistics. Its only 48 hours into this ATT Update though, as I said before, I have messed up. You do not need ENG S-Off, only A rooted phone with S-Off to flash the radio. Please sir, READ READ READ and put the pieces together yourself, and check comments frequently. I WISH YOU LUCK, and if you inform yourself, you should be Fine.zip
Oh Yeah!! The Rom I Married is MiUI. A brand new stable release can and will be dropping any moment. Try it, I LOVE IT. Some hate it, too much of an iOS look, iphone may be inferior, but aesthetics is the one of the most yet also least amazing things about this Rom. Performance is AMAZINGLY Awesome, using Cyano#6 by Cattleprod, a devoted kernal tweaker - and the Inspire Support for MiUI by Symonc is Top-Notch. The guy is literally bombarded with posts and he is quick to help and usually has the fix, if he hasnt already answered it twice. STOCK radio in my opinion was made for this Rom (not factually, every device is different to an extent, remember that.) Aside from speed and potential Phone Frying Performance + a thousand other awesome features, MiUI has the guilt free bonus of Not Accepting Donations. Though I dont guess they would kill you if you did...
My Radio was stock 12.19.xx.xx.30.06.04.06(?) And now I have the OTA Update by either Att or HTC. 26.06.06.06(?) ----->(never do Over The Air Updates for stock software, I found a radio_update someone posted, and used the download link. remember - you've been rooted!!)<------
What I would call the MUST READS. For Now. Then Later Re-Read, and it'll all come together....
MudKnots Awesome guide : More Comprehensive - Covers Goldcards, Rooting, Flashing, Recovery, Fixes etc... ----> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1033353
ShadowFoxs SweetA$$ Radio Guide : Technical and RISKY. BE Informed ----> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=12264291#post12264291
DarkAdriens Comprehensive Battery Performance Guide:
-----> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=937080
Finally - Turbonium X audio fix. Must Have - get better speaker quality now.
-----> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=937080
Theres other stuff, But I thinks me rattled on too long...
BTW - This was all done using:
-MyPocketWizard-
And lastly - forgive me for assuming your a new comer to Xda, more specifically -a Rooted Android. I kind of wanted to get it all out myself, as I have spent the better part of a month anxiously Flashing for Performance and winding up soft-bricked and boot-looped. The Last 48 hours I spent Optimizing my phone to Holy Batman and back to soft brick, somehow frying or damaging my SD card - and finally - back to a glorious example of superb performance. Its all bare bones too, save for (that awesome developers name here) Tinny Audio Fix for Inspire and Desire HD.
Oh yes --- and all Desire HD (HD) files should be perfectly compatible with INSPIRE. THERE. now I AM DONE. Once you find your Rom/Kernal combo Stick with it. THE DEVS ROCK! with awesome and constant updates!!! - WOOOO! Did ya make it thru? Everything else is slightly more complicated and technical... Let Your Fun Begin!!! And GoodDay and GoodNight. You may be playing a while....
I tried out that ROM with the suggested radio. I ran it for @4 days. I couldn't keep a good signal around town and I could never get a solid gps lock. I went back to stock radio and MIUI. You will probably get more answers if you ask the question in the thread about the ROM so everyone using the ROM sees your question.
Gotcha
darkside1904 said:
I tried out that ROM with the suggested radio. I ran it for @4 days. I couldn't keep a good signal around town and I could never get a solid gps lock. I went back to stock radio and MIUI. You will probably get more answers if you ask the question in the thread about the ROM so everyone using the ROM sees your question.
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Attempted to ask ?? in ROM thread but being new to site it wouldn't let me...Got message I didn't have at least 10 posts on site so I couldn't reply in the thread...
Anyways, thanks for the info on ur experience w/ the ROM. Just Rooted my phone bout an hour ago & was looking for a ROM to flash & thought I would try this one. All of this is new to me so I am taking BABY steps.
Thanks dyliho!
Thanks for the noob to noob info. Much appreciate.
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Thanks for the noob to noob info. Much appreciate.
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Trust me man, it is No problemo. I did not take baby steps, and went a day several times working through worthless threads, erring on the side of caution. Then when I got it running again - I dove back in. I just got it back to badass - and the great thing is I am only running MIUI and Cattlprods Cyano Kernal with the OTA updated radio, and the ever needed Tinny Audio fix by that other awesome dude...
There are lots of things people do to make thier Inspires Inspiring. The developers wind up incorporating these to a great extent into thier work, making it easy for you. And when you download a rom, link the thread - developers really enjoy and need the CRITICAL input... the noob onslaught that tires them. Thank them, and show your love by donating if/when possible. Youll learn to love it, if you dont already. MiUI, its gonna be ready.soon, if not now(?!)
Get ready.to have a completely customized user interface (if you desire) and amazing performance at an amazingly reliable and small package. Bigger is not always better on Android...
-MyPocketWizard-
DocHollywoodHank said:
Wanted 2 know what Radio individuals using this Rom flashed: the Recommended one or another?
If something other than the Recommended Radio, what Radio r u using? & any probs using this different Radio?
Thanks in advance.
Hank
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Dyliho must be a politician; in all his rambling he didn't really truly answer your specific questions very well and I'm not sure he's even used the ROM you are specifically asking about. But his posts do contain unsolicited info on forum rules, conflicting reasons on why you should and shouldn't flash a radio, some blurbs about MIUI and symonc, and something about being lackadaisical.
You asked for feedback, so here is mine. As you may know, TPGB-CM20110509 is a Gingerbread ROM based on CM7 build 61. The recommended radio (26.06.06.30) is the new radio that was pushed to the stock Inspire ROMs at the end of April. I've used this radio on TPGB-CM20110509 and CM7 build 69, and this radio is performing very well. The matching Radio Interface Layer (RIL) for this radio is HTC-RIL_2.2.0079HM, which was also pushed out to the stock Inspires at the same time as the radio. I've had very good results with this RIL, as well as the RIL that now comes with CM7 (HTC-RIL_2.2.0099HM). My battery life has never been better. As with a lot of custom ROMs, my GPS totally sucked, but using the GPS fix mentioned in my sig fixed this issue (GPS now locks in under 5 seconds outdoors, 7-15 seconds indoors). Speeds are also great with my APN fix applied (see sig). So my recommendation is to definitely try out this radio. If you need any help or instructions feel free to PM me. I'm also still fully supporting my APN thread in the Dev section if you have any issues with that.
@henrybravo a smidge off-topic but which gps fix did you flash? I flashed North America and I was curious if you are having better results using just the area you are located.
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@henrybravo a smidge off-topic but which gps fix did you flash? I flashed North America and I was curious if you are having better results using just the area you are located.
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I don't plan on traveling outside of my region in the near future so I just flashed the region specific file - in my case it is GPSFIX_SouthMidState.V1.2.zip. I haven't flashed the overall North American fix, how is that one working out for you?
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Dyliho must be a politician; in all his rambling he didn't really truly answer your specific questions very well and I'm not sure he's even used the ROM you are specifically asking about. But his posts do contain unsolicited info on forum rules, conflicting reasons on why you should and shouldn't flash a radio, some blurbs about MIUI and symonc, and something about being lackadaisical.
You asked for feedback, so here is mine. As you may know, TPGB-CM20110509 is a Gingerbread ROM based on CM7 build 61. The recommended radio (26.06.06.30) is the new radio that was pushed to the stock Inspire ROMs at the end of April. I've used this radio on TPGB-CM20110509 and CM7 build 69, and this radio is performing very well. The matching Radio Interface Layer (RIL) for this radio is HTC-RIL_2.2.0079HM, which was also pushed out to the stock Inspires at the same time as the radio. I've had very good results with this RIL, as well as the RIL that now comes with CM7 (HTC-RIL_2.2.0099HM). My battery life has never been better. As with a lot of custom ROMs, my GPS totally sucked, but using the GPS fix mentioned in my sig fixed this issue (GPS now locks in under 5 seconds outdoors, 7-15 seconds indoors). Speeds are also great with my APN fix applied (see sig). So my recommendation is to definitely try out this radio. If you need any help or instructions feel free to PM me. I'm also still fully supporting my APN thread in the Dev section if you have any issues with that.
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Bravo Henry Bravo, you have scrutinized my flawed intro to the man. No reason to be a hater. People left the dude hanging... I thought it was pretty good, and it cleared up for me a lot of what I have been Consumed with. I recently edited and tried to clarify, however I stated this was from a Noob to a Noob. He just joined, and what I have read was good - However So much wasnt presented in an easy to digest manner. People have Threads, buried in threads, buried in posts. No one else would take the time to say that - so I did. If its illicit, or too off topic. Mr. Clown will be along shortly...
I am no politician. Poly=Many Tics=Bloodsuckers. We have to band together in the worst way possible to overcome differences and make the world a better place. I only wanted to help. Dont bust on the Noobies - We Can Learn just Like You good sir.
[If you need any help or instructions feel free to PM me. I'm also still fully supporting my APN thread in the Dev section if you have any issues with that.[/QUOTE]
You didnt take offense because you werent mentioned did you? For someone who just joined, and even to me at times, these things can be difficult to decipher.
And I had no clue TPDj8764 or whatever was a ROM.
Geez Man - Build A Buddy Up, And Encourage One Another.
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Wanted 2 know what Radio individuals using this Rom flashed: the Recommended one or another?
If something other than the Recommended Radio, what Radio r u using? & any probs using this different Radio?
Thanks in advance.
Hank
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And Sorry Hank, I didnt know Tgbpr6743 was a Rom. I assumed it was auto correct gone haywire or something of the sort - and you were asking about radios in general. Henry is Talented and Wise, if nothing else, however if your speeds are good the wont get much better, for a moment... I will let Henry_Bravo explain it to you in that fancy Zip talk I mentioned works well with the ladies...
The Point was, of ALL the Important Need to Have Get Go's, and The 80 Versions out there - Those are most relevant, in my opinion.
Peace and Again - Apologies. Wasnt it perfect though? You have an Example of the SmartAss Condescending Techie - It wasnt Nice, but courtesy is a concept very few can get. I hope I helped. And in case you dont know what a sig. is yet, Here is a link to HenryBravos SuperAwesomeDataMaxFix....
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1042553
-MyPocketWizard-
This is the most wordy thread I have seen in quite a long time. Dyliho, I can't read your posts. Way too wordy. I'm sure you are trying to help but, God man. Or are you a woman. That might explain it actually.
I have used 26_06_06_30_M radio in about 7 different ROMs and it has been the best for me. Maybe give it a try. I live in Central Pennsylvania.
Thanks to All Who Have Replied
Thanks every1. From the long 2 the short replies, I gleened valuable info from each. Yes, I am a noob & was glad 2 recieve all info I did in this thread.
Was successful in Rooting my phone & installed the GingerBeast ROM last night as a place to start. Just Flashed it & nothing more at this time. Will play w/ it later 2day & c how everything goes.
Ultimately do want to try the TPGB-CM20110509 ROM, but was concerned bout the Recommended Radio being different than mine & GingerBeast utilized mine so I felt more comfortable trying it for the 1st go round.
Again, going at it slow & reading/learning as much as I can b4 trying things.
Appreciate any & all help.
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You didnt take offense because you werent mentioned did you?
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Yes you figured me out. I was indeed highly offended. [/S]
LOL @kimtyson's post above.
Using 26.06.06.30_M since flashing this rom, working fine for me. GPS locks fast, speeds are good.
So I just bought a Galaxy S 4G believing that it had CM7 support, because the supported devices page said "Galaxy S". Whoops.
So in the meantime, I gather that I can root it and use Titanium Backup Pro to strip out some of the bloat; are there any alternative firmwares or ROMs worth trying while I wait?
If the answer is yes, I've had trouble finding instructions on how to store a copy of the stock firmware for restoration, in case I screw up or need to return the phone or something.
Thanks.
-Robin
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1117554
You still have a heck of a phone... I'm running Black Ice, works well for me, I also have been test driving dsexton's "I can't believe it's not butter" rom and yes, it is as smooth as the name implies! I'm just not a fan of the stock theme. And it's very well tweaked... There's months of reading treads all consolidated in one single flash!
You can find it in the development section along with the specs
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As QUIETLYloud mentioned, there is a great implementation of MANY tweaks in a ROM he referred to.
Also, CM7 is in fact coming to GS4G within a week or two.
For progress, check here.
http://rootzwiki.com/archive/index.php/t-681.html?
You all are fantastic and all got Thank Yous.
Something I'm not seeing, even in the Bible thread, and I'm sure it's a FAQ but I still can't find it:
What do I need to do to make absolutely certain (assuming I don't brick it, anyways) that I can get back to the stock ROM/firmware, i.e. so that I can return it if I need to?
Thanks for any pointers to whatever obvious place I missed that you can provide.
-Robin
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You all are fantastic and all got Thank Yous.
Something I'm not seeing, even in the Bible thread, and I'm sure it's a FAQ but I still can't find it:
What do I need to do to make absolutely certain (assuming I don't brick it, anyways) that I can get back to the stock ROM/firmware, i.e. so that I can return it if I need to?
Thanks for any pointers to whatever obvious place I missed that you can provide.
-Robin
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1062847
Stock is there if ever necessary.
I bought my Charge about a year ago (still no 4G in our area but that's a whole other discussion . . .) and figured I'd wait until the manufacturer warranty expires before rooting my phone.
I glanced over the development page and noticed that JT is still working on ICS but it's not yet fully ready. Does anyone have a recommendation regarding which ROM to root to my phone? It will be the first time I've ever routed a device before but I know how to follow instructions, so I assume I'll be fine.
Any recommendations anyone can give me would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, guys!
-Jay
Either Tweaked or Eclipse. Essentially, they're our only two choices, but they're both good quality. For kernels, most people like Imnuts' PBJ kernel.
Yeah, I was looking at that one (someone else suggested that one and the transparent ICS theme). It looks like one of the links comes already bundled with the PBJ you mentioned so I'll probably get that one.
One question I did have was regarding EX4. I don't know if I need it or not. I have a stock SDA card but I don't know how to check if it's EX3 or EX4 or if I even need that portion . . . I'd rather not have to wipe my SD card but it's really not all that hard to backup to a computer so I guess it's not a huge deal. I'd rather not do an extra step I don't need to do though.
So yeah, is there anywhere in the forums that talk about EX3 or EX4? I searched in these forums and found a few articles about it but I still don't know if it's something I need or not.
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Yeah, I was looking at that one (someone else suggested that one and the transparent ICS theme). It looks like one of the links comes already bundled with the PBJ you mentioned so I'll probably get that one.
One question I did have was regarding EX4. I don't know if I need it or not. I have a stock SDA card but I don't know how to check if it's EX3 or EX4 or if I even need that portion . . . I'd rather not have to wipe my SD card but it's really not all that hard to backup to a computer so I guess it's not a huge deal. I'd rather not do an extra step I don't need to do though.
So yeah, is there anywhere in the forums that talk about EX3 or EX4? I searched in these forums and found a few articles about it but I still don't know if it's something I need or not.
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I'm pretty sure EXT4 conversion does not affect external memory. It will only convert the data/dbdata/cache/system partitions to the newer file system. So no need to worry about your SD card. Personally, I would not recommend converting to EXT4 at this point. There is always a chance you can corrupt your internal partitions and brick your device. It is very difficult to hard brick a Charge, but from what I can recall those that have have been a result of a bad ext4 conversion. Ever since the Gingerbread OTA was rolled out, RFS has been more than adequate for the Charge. While you do get higher benchmark scores with EXT4, difference in real world usage is negligible (from my experience).
And Tweaked is by far the best current ROM for this phone. It is hands down the best ROM ever made for the Charge. If Eclipse is ever updated again, I would give that one a chance too.
In my opinion, the only reason to convert to ext4 on EP4 or FP1 is to make nandroid backups work. If you don't intend to use nandroid, no reason to convert.
ext4 definitely has significantly higher I/O throughput, but you'll only see it in benchmarks. You won't see any difference in the real world.
Tweaked gets my vote and as for kernels go, an increasing number of people prefer the stock kernel over PBJT for various reasons. Try both to see what works best for you.
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I use Tweaked, and am very happy with it. I've tried PBJ kernel several times with EXT4, but can't get rid of some lag issues, so I keep going back to the stock kernel.
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I like tweaked - plus it gets the most support right now. I think the eclipse developer has a newer phone, so that ROM has probably seen it's last update.
additionally, you've also got great themers here like Blackness, etc...
finally, you don't have to choose a custom ROM when rooting - you can still stick with stock or a debloated/deodexed ROM. but that will lack the bells and whistles of a tweaked or Eclipse.
also keep in mind that there are very easy ways to revert back to stock (just ask blackness - I think he did that 28 times over a 10-hour span last weekend ) so VZW will never know that your phone has been rooted....
I have what is probably a very silly, basic question. If I want to root my phone to using tweaked 2.2, should I be following this guide (except with Tweaked, rather than GB 2.3.4)?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1160580
Is there another guide you would recommend?
Also, I'm hoping to read a bit more about all the terminology for rooting phones, all the basics, etc. I've been able to find a couple of general guides (in this forum and using google) and each one teaches me a little bit but I figured I'd ask the masters. If you were just starting to look into this, what guide/articles/pages would you recommend reading?
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I have what is probably a very silly, basic question. If I want to root my phone to using tweaked 2.2, should I be following this guide (except with Tweaked, rather than GB 2.3.4)?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1160580
Is there another guide you would recommend?
Also, I'm hoping to read a bit more about all the terminology for rooting phones, all the basics, etc. I've been able to find a couple of general guides (in this forum and using google) and each one teaches me a little bit but I figured I'd ask the masters. If you were just starting to look into this, what guide/articles/pages would you recommend reading?
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That's as good of a guide as I've seen. I don't think I've ever had to "tap" the power button to get into download mode, fwiw. Just hold Vol down and plug it in.
There's not a whole lot you can screw up that Odin can't fix. Just make absolutely certain that your computer does not lose power and that your device does not become unplugged during any Odin'ing you do. I'd recommend going over to www.imnuts.org and pulling the EP4D and Charge.pit files in the event that you need to back out. Having them on your computer will save you the headache later on.
As far as guides, most of them are going to be really dated. The Charge community is winding down, and those of us who are left are generally pretty helpful and patient when it comes to questions. We don't have much in the way of guides because there is no large influx of newbies ever coming our way to clog up the forum. If you pay attention to Rootzwiki, there is a new fella who tried to do things on his own and got really frustrated by the lack of info. That lack of info is probably due to the fact that none of us really need it.
That said, if you run into a question, just ask. If nothing else, I'll try to help you out.
I had a babyzilla turn off my computer during the Odin process, and I was able to fully recover. So no real danger there.
Also, www.chargeforums.com has also got some helpful how to threads as well.
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I had a babyzilla turn off my computer during the Odin process, and I was able to fully recover. So no real danger there.
Also, www.chargeforums.com has also got some helpful how to threads as well.
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I've read that you can get hosed if it stops in the middle of flashing the modem? I don't know if there's any validity to that.
Not really sure where it was the process, but it happened a few tines. The first two times were due to a certain web page freezing up my PC.
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For the record, I put Tweaked 2.2 w/PBJ on my charge, used tweaktools to add Transparent ICS and it looks and runs great. If anyone was considering whether or not to use it, I'd highly recommend it.
Thanks for your help, everyone!
Batdroid we had it for about oh I don't know maybe 30 mins to an hour....
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Hi,
Yes, I'm a noob but I'm a smart noob. I refuse to just "jump" in without having enough knowledge about what is necessary to properly modify my phone (AT&T HOX). I have looked up terms I was unfamiliar with etc and sat and waited patiently reading other people's issues. I like many come from Apple (thankfully I switched away) and jailbreaking was about as easy as it got. So here goes.....
1. I am really most interested (at the time being) in getting rid of the ridiculous apps these phones come plugged up with.
2. I already think the phone is fast (light years faster than any iPhone I owned), so what are some of your (members) opinions on WHY you want to flash a custom rom?
3. Do you have to put a new rom in or once it's rooted can I simply have it "stock" and have the freedom to delete apps that I don't want on the phone?
If I've offended anyone here I apologize. Searching for answers on the Internet sometimes is a joke. I did find this tool in the developer's section and I know I'd start here (already downloaded and looked it over) [TOOL] HTC One X (Evita) All-In-One Toolkit V1.1 [10-28-12] [PERM ROOT][Noob-Proof]
but I feel there is a bit more that I'm missing.
I don't want my hand held but rather to allay any fears of turning my phone into a relic, rather than a useful device. I'm about to graduate with a computer support degree, so some of this real heavy duty stuff isn't exactly taught to us students.
I'd appreciate any advice and help from you all and thanks for having a source filled with so many helpful individuals and information
Thanks in advance,
Jon
This is where you should start (my index thread): http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1671237
1) Rooting will enable you to uninstall bloatware.
2) Reasons for flashing custom ROMs are many. Yes, the phone is very fast. But believe it or not, there are some that want to squeeze even more performance out of the device. Custom ROMs will often include tweaks to improve speed, but also memory management (multi-tasking). Some people like the vanilla (no Sense) look of AOSP ROMs. And also AOSP based ROMs feel more fluid in the launcher, as well as some apps run faster. Custom ROMs have some cool features that don't exist on stock: Extended Quick Settings, Advanced Power Menu, Paranoid Android settings, theming support and much more.
3) You can just unlock the bootloader and root without flashing a custom ROM. If you aren't too familiar with flashing custom ROMs, this may in fact be a good place to start. Become familiar with what root gives you, before flashing ROMs.
The all-in-one tool you mentioned is correct if your phone is on the 2.20 firmware. If it happens to be an earlier firmware, use the corresponding root method as indicated in my index.
2. It's like buying a new Dell or HP Laptop. It comes with tons of random crap pre-installed that you don't need. Sure, the computer might already be "fast", but you can always make it faster by uninstalling said apps. However, there are usually tons of them, and they're deeply embedded into the OS. Even if you go into add or remove programs and uninstall all of the apps that they have given you, there's usually still random crap installed... You might want to start fresh - I always do. So, when I buy a laptop the first thing I do is install windows manually and download the newest and updated drivers. Now the machine is fast. :good:
This is the same principle for your phone. This is why people want to install a custom ROM (like CleanROM) that doesn't include any of the carrier crap and is just a fresh, base install.
3. You could, if you really, really wanted keep the AT&T stock ROM on there... but there is no reason to. If you installed something like CleanROM it is already optimized, and you can select what stock carrier apps you want included during the installation. The defaults will leave you almost perfect though... This could be thought of as doing a fresh windows install to remove all that crap they embedded deep into the OS. There are no flashy lights, it is just a base ROM that's optimized for speed, performance, and stability.
So.. there is no reason to use a stock ROM vs CleanROM.
On stock vs. ROM:
I am stock/rooted on my Nexus 7 because it's already vanilla Android, and I haven't seen any need to soup it up.
Stock Sense, on the other hand, has a lot of annoying elements that HTC built into it for various reasons: patent disputes, branding, stability, etc. Most or all of this can and should be removed. One example: You may be used to, in iOS, clicking on links and having apps open up. Stock sense won't do this because Apple sued HTC over it. Removing this limitation is easy. Another is the gimped multitasking that HTC set up to prioritize Sense over everything else. And since Sense is still bloated, this greatly limits multitasking. For the most part, CleanROM is Sense with all this unnecessary crap removed.
I was where you are back in May when I got this thing, and I'm happy as a clam on CleanROM.
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So.. there is no reason to use a stock ROM vs CleanROM.
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I've actually bounced around from CleanROM, ViperXL and other custom ROMs, as well as stock rooted ROMs. I've spent a good amount of time on Asian and Euro stock ROMs, with bloat frozen (in Titanium, not even removed), and the difference in performance (speed) between these and custom ROMs is negligible, if any. Maybe memory management is better on the custom ROMs, but its never been as much of a peeve to me, as others here.
While its true that the AT&T stock ROM has lots of bloat, and some things stupidly removed (FM radio, flashlight, WiFi tethering), but its really not bad. And the stock ROMs from Asia and Europe are quite good.
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One example: You may be used to, in iOS, clicking on links and having apps open up. Stock sense won't do this because Apple sued HTC over it.
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Just AT&T stock has the HTCLinkify crap. Links work fine on stock ROMs for any other carrier, AFAIK.
It appears I should simply unlock and root. I like how some are saying do that too "get acquainted" with the process and the feel of moding. I believe that is what I'd like to do first.
So in the tool for 2.20 firmware, twrp is in the data file already from the download? I had to go their site and read about what it was. I just don't want to start off on the wrong foot.
You've all been nice to me, even though I'm a flaming noob to unlocking/rooting. I figure to prevent myself from being stupid later, I should be smart now. Hahaha.
I greatly appreciate all the insight and advice so far.
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redpoint73 said:
IAnd the stock ROMs from Asia and Europe are quite good.
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Which is probably why Scott has based CleanROM off them.
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Which is probably why Scott has based CleanROM off them.
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CleanROM is still on 2.29. There have been a lot of firmware versions since then. Germany and Asia are on 2.4x.
2.29 wasn't bad. But its basically the same as 2.20 stock, just without AT&T's meddling. I wish scrosler would use a newer base (as Turge and Xs have). But it seems his time is divided nowadays.
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CleanROM is still on 2.29. There have been a lot of firmware versions since then. Germany and Asia are on 2.4x.
2.29 wasn't bad. But its basically the same as 2.20 stock, just without AT&T's meddling. I wish scrosler would use a newer base (as Turge and Xs have). But it seems his time is divided nowadays.
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He's stated that he's waiting for JB. But yeah, he's developing for about six devices now. We take what we can get.
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It appears I should simply unlock and root. I like how some are saying do that too "get acquainted" with the process and the feel of moding. I believe that is what I'd like to do first.
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Its really up to you in the end. There is no right or wrong answer to "should I flash a custom ROM or not".
I personally spent some time stock rooted on my first Android device (Desire Z) before I became comfortable with what features I wanted in a ROM. So that's probably why I'm recommending to do the same.
The suggestion by others to try CleanROM is certainly not a bad idea, either. As mentioned, its mostly stock, but cleaned up. My point is simply, don't go flashing ROMs just because people tell you "you just gotta do it man". And flashing ROM is not for everyone, either. If you do it, you should do it because it fits your needs and wants. And it sounds like you need some time to decide what those needs and wants actually are.
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Its really up to you in the end. There is no right or wrong answer to "should I flash a custom ROM or not".
I personally spent some time stock rooted on my first Android device (Desire Z) before I became comfortable with what features I wanted in a ROM. So that's probably why I'm recommending to do the same.
The suggestion by others to try CleanROM is certainly not a bad idea, either. As mentioned, its mostly stock, but cleaned up. My point is simply, don't go flashing ROMs just because people tell you "you just gotta do it man". And flashing ROM is not for everyone, either. If you do it, you should do it because it fits your needs and wants. And it sounds like you need some time to decide what those needs and wants actually are.
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OK. I got the noob proof tool but I'm a bit confused on TWRP. I'm just confused exactly on what my first step should be and if the noob proof tool contains all the things I need. Again, sorry for sounding like a dimwit (now I do) but I also watched the video Hasoon2000 posted, just to give me an idea of what to do.
1. Do I being by shutting phone off and holding power button/low volume button first? (DFU mode for iPhone I remember) and then clicking step one?
I also joined HTCdev since I saw you need a token. Could this be explained a bit more?
Sorry guys for sounding so stupid but I'd really like to do it the right way and learn more and more about this (like I did with jailbreaking).
I appreciate all the advice
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OK. I got the noob proof tool but I'm a bit confused on TWRP. I'm just confused exactly on what my first step should be and if the noob proof tool contains all the things I need. Again, sorry for sounding like a dimwit (now I do) but I also watched the video Hasoon2000 posted, just to give me an idea of what to do.
1. Do I being by shutting phone off and holding power button/low volume button first? (DFU mode for iPhone I remember) and then clicking step one?
I also joined HTCdev since I saw you need a token. Could this be explained a bit more?
Sorry guys for sounding so stupid but I'd really like to do it the right way and learn more and more about this (like I did with jailbreaking).
I appreciate all the advice
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I was in the same boat as you about a week ago when I first got my HOX. I lurked and lurked and read myself to death until I finally got to where I am now (with CleanROM). Almost bricked my phone because of my haste to root and unlock but what you are doing is good, taking care of the necessary steps. It seems like you haven't unlocked your bootloader? If not look at this thread, it has all the steps you need to unlock the bootloader as the 2.20 firmware we have requires a special method.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1952038
inksoldier said:
I was in the same boat as you about a week ago when I first got my HOX. I lurked and lurked and read myself to death until I finally got to where I am now (with CleanROM). Almost bricked my phone because of my haste to root and unlock but what you are doing is good, taking care of the necessary steps. It seems like you haven't unlocked your bootloader? If not look at this thread, it has all the steps you need to unlock the bootloader as the 2.20 firmware we have requires a special method.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1952038
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I actually agree with what you said about my OP. I jailbroke my iPhones with ease but coming here to Android was a complete night and day difference. It's clearly not the same at all. This is more difficult by far. But after looking at tons of threads, asking questions and assuring myself I can do it, I unlocked and rooted a few days ago. Went pretty much without a hiccup. For now I'm staying stock rooted and exploring the phone. I'm already itching for a Rom but that can wait.
I do feel bad for some people that post here without searching for threads pertaining to rooting but I think it's in how you ask and come off here.
Did you use the all in one toolkit? Did you use it to flash your Rom as well?
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I'd say I spent 1-2 hours a day for a week reading these forums before I rooted. And went perfect when I did. Haven't had a glitch or a hiccup yet
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I'd say I spent 1-2 hours a day for a week reading these forums before I rooted. And went perfect when I did. Haven't had a glitch or a hiccup yet
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Did you flash a rom or are you still stock rooted?
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ToxicWaste said:
Did you flash a rom or are you still stock rooted?
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Check sig lines. Most regulars list what they're running there.
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Check sig lines. Most regulars list what they're running there.
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Not on the app. But I'm running viperxl. I got this phone over the s3 because I like sense.
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Check sig lines. Most regulars list what they're running there.
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Ya I didn't see it listed on his xda app. Haha
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Not on the app.
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Derp. I need to read sig lines too.
If I install a custom ROM would I lose beatsaudio?