After a lot of testing I have to the conclusion that the ROMs and images from the S4 cpu versions of One S is NOT compatible with the ones with the S3 cpu variants!
This includes ROM and CWM. This means also for now there is way to root the S3 one s variants. If you try flash the cwm anyway...you will screw your recovery and you can no longer hard reset the phone.
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To All Developers!!! For now, please add a prefix [S3] or [S4] to your thread title and mentioned it in OP
i just ordered another One S from Tmobile, do u know if they send out S3s now instead of S4s?
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i just ordered another One S from Tmobile, do u know if they send out S3s now instead of S4s?
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All T-Mobile ones will have the S4. The S3 models are only for certain Asian and European markets.
Still though that may be true I haven't checked I still think the forum should be divided by version bases EU, UK, US etc.
Even if it had to be done by sub forum for VB it's really easy to do and would clear up a lot of issues people are having over here.
Duh? Isn't this an obvious warning? Does it really need a thread? Who the hell would flash a kernel made for another soc to their phone?
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Duh? Isn't this an obvious warning? Does it really need a thread? Who the hell would flash a kernel made for another soc to their phone?
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Because you have not used a one S that's why you don't know. There is no way to tell physically whether the One S has an S3 or an S4 processor. No markings, no physical differences, no model name differences on the box, nothing at all. This means to most people, a one s is a one s, most people do not know there is even two versions until they flash it and its too late.
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Duh? Isn't this an obvious warning? Does it really need a thread? Who the hell would flash a kernel made for another soc to their phone?
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Additionally...because literally everyone assumes there is only one version of the one s, nobody states that whether their rom or cwm is for the s3 or S4 version...making it a real bummer... but as of now, unless someone specifically mentions its for the s3, DO NOT try to root or flash an image for you one s, because literally none of them out there are for one s for now
Are there any RUU's for the S3 version ?
I think the only conflicting issue would be the boot.img, so if you just flash that along with a S4 ROM you should be fine.
as for CWM, I assume there will be a line of code which specifies which device it is for, Edit it to the S3 version (VilleC?) and all should be fine.
As for the root package, That should require a simple updater-script edit and it will work !
As I told on another thread.
If partitions are the same (we need someone to check if true) the S4 roms should work with the S3 variant except for the Kernel and the boot.img . I guess a new cwm would be needed too
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Because you have not used a one S that's why you don't know. There is no way to tell physically whether the One S has an S3 or an S4 processor. No markings, no physical differences, no model name differences on the box, nothing at all. This means to most people, a one s is a one s, most people do not know there is even two versions until they flash it and its too late.
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This is XDA we are a huge community, don't tell me we can't and nobody ever thought about asking around people's serials, part number, FCC ID and look for differences. They CAN'T be no differences. Anyway, the S3 models are 1.7GHz and the GHz is writen on the back of the box.
Yes, It will state on the box which version it is. And also in HBOOT it will say VILLEC So users will know before flashing which model they have.
If it becomes too big of a problem, Im sure we can get the mods to add a sub section. But they wont open one until we have some development and tutorials for it, Other wise it will be empty
I have requested that we get a S3 Development forum for this phone. We had a previous war about splitting the forums, but in this case, I think it's warranted. There's a decent difference here, so this distinction needs to be made and understood.
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I have requested that we get a S3 Development forum for this phone. We had a previous war about splitting the forums, but in this case, I think it's warranted. There's a decent difference here, so this distinction needs to be made and understood.
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Yeah, I agree with that, The previous split between US and EU was a bit un needed, However i think this S3 - S4 split is important
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I have requested that we get a S3 Development forum for this phone. We had a previous war about splitting the forums, but in this case, I think it's warranted. There's a decent difference here, so this distinction needs to be made and understood.
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Definitely, I don't want to get crippled/bricked/whatever because a dev forget to write S3 or to state clearly S3. If the Tegra and S4 One X forums are TOTALLY separate, we should at least get a sub forum for each S3 and S4!
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Yeah, I agree with that, The previous split between US and EU was a bit un needed, However i think this S3 - S4 split is important
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Canada isn't in EU -_-
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Definitely, I don't want to get crippled/bricked/whatever because a dev forget to write S3 or to state clearly S3. If the Tegra and S4 One X forums are TOTALLY separate, we should at least get a sub forum for each S3 and S4!
Canada isn't in EU -_-
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We haven't forgotten about your square wheels.....
All jokes aside, yeah yeah yeah.....
Canada ?? Whats that
I meant the Tmobile & International split that we had.
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Because you have not used a one S that's why you don't know. There is no way to tell physically whether the One S has an S3 or an S4 processor. No markings, no physical differences, no model name differences on the box, nothing at all. This means to most people, a one s is a one s, most people do not know there is even two versions until they flash it and its too late.
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Users should be aware of what they are doing... XDA and/ or the Dev aren't responsible for what you do with your phone!
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Additionally...because literally everyone assumes there is only one version of the one s, nobody states that whether their rom or cwm is for the s3 or S4 version...making it a real bummer... but as of now, unless someone specifically mentions its for the s3, DO NOT try to root or flash an image for you one s, because literally none of them out there are for one s for now
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You can always ask politely on the specific thread... when it's clear, dev should mention it in OP title!
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If it becomes too big of a problem, Im sure we can get the mods to add a sub section. But they wont open one until we have some development and tutorials for it, Other wise it will be empty
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Agreed... so for now, be aware... i will take this to my other forum moderators to discuss and close this thread, keeping it sticky for others to be warned and to prevent an other war....
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Hey.. Just thought I'd bring this to your attention
Woot.com is running a sale on 5" Galaxy S devices today http://www.woot.com
Model number is YP-G70CW.
In Samsung Speak Y designates "young minded" or "entry level" devices. Just wanted to let you guys know about this. Also, it does not look like this is a phone, it is branded Wi-Fi, so making it work on your mobile network may be impossible.
t's a GalaxyS device and that means just about anything developed for the Captivate or i9000 should work with it. This would however, be a great Smart-MP3 player present for a kid in your life.
Just bought one for the wife as a mini-tablet, but I'm kind of disappointed to see the lack of interest anywhere, here included. It looks like there's a way to root it, but now ROM community at all.
I've got a Vibrant, but don't have a data plan (haven't ever needed it), so it's really not very different than what this device should be able to be for us.
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Just bought one for the wife as a mini-tablet, but I'm kind of disappointed to see the lack of interest anywhere, here included. It looks like there's a way to root it, but now ROM community at all.
I've got a Vibrant, but don't have a data plan (haven't ever needed it), so it's really not very different than what this device should be able to be for us.
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Its 2.2 so you can use super one click to root. Its an entry level device and not a mainstream one so it will likely not get a forum unless it's a product launch and we are just seeing the first few... However, I bet it will run most i9000 and maybe your vibrant's ROM.
The thing that seems to be missing in my brief search is a nandroid backup/restore option. Without that it makes me hesitant to mess around too much. Also I would be surprised if other Galaxy ROMs just work, as even the Captivate and Vibrant have compatibility problems.
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The thing that seems to be missing in my brief search is a nandroid backup/restore option. Without that it makes me hesitant to mess around too much. Also I would be surprised if other Galaxy ROMs just work, as even the Captivate and Vibrant have compatibility problems.
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You can change kernel and ROMs to test just don't test bootloaders on this device or you could brick it.
Unbrickable mod?
Sent from my unbrickable cappy *bam*
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Unbrickable mod?
Sent from my unbrickable cappy *bam*
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I'm 90% sure its possible if someone wants to get one in for decapitation. The hummingbird And Exynos are both researched well enough that I just need one device from each model.
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All these provider-based development threads for the same phone . . . feels like fragmentation.
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LTE =/= CDMA
different phones need different sub forums
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LTE =/= CDMA
different phones need different sub forums
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+1
I support this subforum.
aj8600 said:
LTE =/= CDMA
different phones need different sub forums
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Sure, I understand, thanks. Was making a funny - hence my smiley - related to complaints on Android OS fragmentation, since the number of subforums looks (on the surface) like so many variations, now.
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release
I notice hhgregg says launch date is the 12th and they are most likely correct but is it common for seperate retailers to have phone on the exact day the Verizon store has it? if I am correct don't target Walmart for example get the phones after the actual Verizon stores have it? Just a question
where's jt1134?
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I notice hhgregg says launch date is the 12th and they are most likely correct but is it common for seperate retailers to have phone on the exact day the Verizon store has it? if I am correct don't target Walmart for example get the phones after the actual Verizon stores have it? Just a question
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this is the development forums, release discussion belongs in the General section over HERE
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LTE =/= CDMA
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whats this "=/="
its not in here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mathematical_symbols
you cant make up symbols
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whats this "=/="
its not in here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/list_of_mathematical_symbols
you cant make up symbols
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=/= is ≠ is != ... but you already knew that.
Fragmentation is relative. Also a dumb term for dumb pple that have lost the arguement. A windows notepad doc has zero "fragmentation" what does that prove. And what a term to coin by steve jobs. Since its "fragmented" u say stevie, can i use a defragmenter. No wonder pple call rooting jail breaking on apple. First because theres no legitimate intelligent third party development and second because its a virtual prison cell. The apple wardens hate to see cracks in the concrete and bars. Apple will never match 4.0 however long they try. Cant compare a prison cell to a full stadium.
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I hope verizon users get some support to when my pre order arrives so far looks dead in this area.
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I hope verizon users get some support to when my pre order arrives so far looks dead in this area.
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On or by July 9th/10th/11th, depending how soon your ordered.
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Here's hoping one of you talented developers can make a one-click root tool for the Verizon SGSIII. I have kind of fallen in love with the WugFresh toolkit for the GNex.
Just pre-ordered it tonight in time to keep my unlimited data, can't wait to get it in my hands and get a real taste of CM9 :thumbup: Gotta get TouchWiz off of there pronto...
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The root methods out there for the SG3 should work on the VZW variant right?
760hacker said:
The root methods out there for the SG3 should work on the VZW variant right?
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In general, yes. Since all US variants are using the same SOC, just different modems, there should be no issues with cross-pollenating root methods.
In practice, we won't know until things start getting into peoples' hands.
Personally, I'm finding it difficult to sit and wait until week-after-next (my estimated ship date is 7/11) to get mine.
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In general, yes. Since all US variants are using the same SOC, just different modems, there should be no issues with cross-pollenating root methods.
In practice, we won't know until things start getting into peoples' hands.
Personally, I'm finding it difficult to sit and wait until week-after-next (my estimated ship date is 7/11) to get mine.
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I can't wait to get mine.
Problem is, I'm spoiled. I have a Galaxy Nexus that I opened another line for, so I used the upgrade on my line that I got now in order to ensure I keep my unlimited data for another two years. My mom will be getting my Nexus.
Now here's the part where I'm spoiled- the SGSIII is a superior phone, that much most people can agree on. However, the SGSIII is running Touchwiz over ICS (4.0.4?). My Nexus is running stock 4.1. It's gonna take some getting used to going back to ICS, even if Jelly Bean has only been public for a day or so.
I believe the International S3's are able to get the 4.1 update now.
I don't see us being to far behind once we actually get our devices from big red.
I have already had the AT&T sgs3 but returned it because the user base is no were need Verizon's user base so I figured that we would ultimately have more roms kernels and themes. I am hoping that will still be the case. Either way I do not regret my decision because AT&T Lte is so tiny in comparison to Verizon lte when it comes to coverage.
Anyways back to the point of my thread.. the development for the international version of both the sgs2 and the sgs3 has always blown me away with the vast number of different roms, themes, and kernels! If anyone has every taken a peak over in the i9300 Dev forums they will know what I am talking about. Whenever I browse over there I find myself in a state of pure jealousy. The best of the best can be found there from roms like OMEGA to kernels like syliah kernel. I wish there was a way to easily port the international roms etc like entropy did for the AT&T sgs2 when he created the hellraiser packages which essentially swapped out the incompatible parts of a rom and replaced them with the compatible libs, modems etc that were meant for the AT&T sgs2. It would be nice if we could find with way to make it happen with our Verizon sgs3, not sure if that is possible though. Cross my fingers for this and definitely for an unlocked bootloader
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I agree. Even the sprint S3 has more roms than the Verizon S3. I can not find any popular ROMS that run on the Verizon S3.
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xWiZxKiDx said:
I agree. Even the sprint S3 has more roms than the Verizon S3. I can not find any popular ROMS that run on the Verizon S3.
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You should be greatful for the development that we have.
xWiZxKiDx said:
I agree. Even the sprint S3 has more roms than the Verizon S3. I can not find any popular ROMS that run on the Verizon S3.
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Hurleyzero1 said:
You should be greatful for the development that we have.
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I was not complaining at all. I am very grateful but regardless i was comparing all us variants to internal and not us to us..
We'd have more development if Verizon cared about their customers more than their money.
I'm confident we'll have more development. Coming from an LG Revolution I'm very happy with the amount we have now even
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Unfortunately we will never see nearly as much development as we would if we had an unlocked bootloader.
I am fairly confident that the developers around here will conquer this and we will have an unlocked boot locker before too long.
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I am fairly confident that the developers around here will conquer this and we will have an unlocked boot locker before too long.
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If you have read any of the r&d threads that's highly unlikely.
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If you have read any of the r&d threads that's highly unlikely.
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Why do you say that? The people in the r&d threads are working as hard as they can to find paths that could work to get around the bootloader.
JetBlue said:
Why do you say that? The people in the r&d threads are working as hard as they can to find paths that could work to get around the bootloader.
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I think he meant it is highly unlikely we will eventually have a unlocked bootloader, not a work-around.
Yea its not looking like the bootloader will be unlocked...thankfully with kexec its not that big of deal.
adclem said:
I am fairly confident that the developers around here will conquer this and we will have an unlocked boot locker before too long.
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It doesn't even matter that the BL is locked we already have a"Work around" and can do anything an unlocked phone can do we just have a few extra steps.
They have more development because it is... Verizon in the US alone vs the rest of the world..
I'm not surprised that they have more development at all
I myself have just started dev on this phone with nothing released as of yet. It will come soon. I have friends in the same boat. Just be patient. Roms will start coming in heards now that there is a workaround.
droidstyle said:
Yea its not looking like the bootloader will be unlocked...thankfully with kexec its not that big of deal.
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Also agree with this. With kexec it seems we have some decent flexibility already, with just a couple resets in startup which I consider a very small price to pay
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droidstyle said:
Yea its not looking like the bootloader will be unlocked...thankfully with kexec its not that big of deal.
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Dude, what are you talking about ???? It is a freaking big Deal!! Kexec is nothing else but a workaeound hopefully just as a temp fix until the bootloader is unlocked
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jgrimberg1979 said:
Dude, what are you talking about ???? It is a freaking big Deal!! Kexec is nothing else but a workaeound hopefully just as a temp fix until the bootloader is unlocked
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I'm not sure why it is such a "big deal" exactly. What we have basically gives us the abilities of an unlocked bootloader (not 100% but exactly what we need development-wise) and all we have to deal with is a few short reboots on bootup. I'd say this is just fine even if we never get a true unlock.
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I'm not sure why it is such a "big deal" exactly. What we have basically gives us the abilities of an unlocked bootloader (not 100% but exactly what we need development-wise) and all we have to deal with is a few short reboots on bootup. I'd say this is just fine even if we never get a true unlock.
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Having a locked bootloader is still very much a big deal. It slows development if anything and reduces the possibility of seeing ROMs other than stock TouchWiz because developers who don't like TW have to go through the trouble of learning how to correctly make a boot.img that is compatible with kexec or else face the consequences. I just learned this the hard way by hard bricking my phone while trying to build a working boot.img for Sense 4.0.
Trust me, we want an unlocked bootloader...
I think we have a smaller user base because of the costs associated with Verizon. Let's face it, we all know Verizon is hell of expensive. We pay the highest price for one reason, the 4G is blazing fast and we always have a good signal.
Good bye HTC Rezound, hello Galaxy S3!
Hey guys I got a I727 but I live in Brazil.
I am having a lot of issues with the connectivity here.
I tried a lot of combos ( roms / kernels / radios / SIM cards) and it still acting randomly. Sometimes it works for days and it makes me believe that I got it fixed, sometimes for hours on even less than that. I've trying almost everything.
I know we can use radios from t989 and blaze's and note but all I got here in the forum was from Canadian or American devices.
So my next attempt is to try to port a radio optimized for my country from a device that is similar to the i727.
Does anyone have an idea of how to port radios? I want to use one optimized to use my country's frequencies.
Thanks in advance guys.
And please take easy on me, I m just a newbie
No one ever tweaked radio to date but Sammy!!! sad but true lol
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No one ever tweaked radio to date but Sammy!!! sad but true lol
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Sorry, but whos Sammy, and also if none tweaked a radio how do we are able to use blazers and t989 and notes? PS: ( Iknow t989 are twin of ours i727, but i believe the modem hardware is a bit different since they dont have LTE) .
Sammy = Samsung.... Its a common nickname
Some SR users USE blaze or T989 radios as is (so they can use their phones on T mobile) ... Those are never tweaked radios and nobody can
mahanddeem said:
Sammy = Samsung.... Its a common nickname
Some SR users USE blaze or T989 radios as is (so they can use their phones on T mobile) ... Those are never tweaked radios and nobody can
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I use bell I757m skyrocket HD
tjsooley said:
I use bell I757m skyrocket HD
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How did you know that this modem was compatible with your device? Just try and error?
Is it possible to brick my device if I give a try in other devices modems?
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How did you know that this modem was compatible with your device? Just try and error?
Is it possible to brick my device if I give a try in other devices modems?
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Never mess up with things like radio...you might easily end up bricking your phone or messing the IMEI number which is at least a pain in the ass to fix...you can just use (flash) things that are commonly known to work with your skyrocket (learn here)..And talking about t989 radio in a skyrocket , never think it works right..expect ton of problems in connectivity.. But at least you can run t mobile on SR (even though very buggy) !
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How did you know that this modem was compatible with your device? Just try and error?
Is it possible to brick my device if I give a try in other devices modems?
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Looked up the radio chipset and found it to be the same
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Looked up the radio chipset and found it to be the same
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The chipset isn't the mainboard "brain"? If I do an analogy with PC, main boards controls everything and a modem is just a PCI card controlled by the motherboard. If so, that does not mean that my radio is actually the same but that the brain is. Maybe the way that the modem communicate with the motherboard is standard?
If so I will look up to some Sam modem for a phone from here that got the Qualcomm MSM8260 Snapdragon chipset, and then I will try to flash it.
Im aware that Sony got some models here, but I not as much crazy to flash their modems
The modem/radio chipset not soc chipset
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The modem/radio chipset not soc chipset
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Where do I find this info?For the i727 and other devices.
Thx
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OK it looks like you're an as*ho** who doesn't like to listen... Good luck bricking (q&a section people don't like these days topics like: flashed LG stuffs and now my SR never turns on)...
Some people you waist time helping them !!!
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Im aware of the risks of bricking it. If it bricks it doesnt matter to me, thats already a useless device, since I cant receive calls or send message properly and Im not a fan of cell games.
I have flashed radios/roms/kernels/boots thousand of times for the SR and many other devices.
About the Q&A dont worry i wont post nothing like that.
I am just looking for info from ppl that had the same idea that i did ( flash other devices radios) to minimize my bricking risk. Again I dont care abou brick it!!!
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Im aware of the risks of bricking it. If it bricks it doesnt matter to me, thats already a useless device, since I cant receive calls or send message properly and Im not a fan of cell games.
I have flashed radios/roms/kernels/boots thousand of times for the SR and many other devices.
About the Q&A dont worry i wont post nothing like that.
I am just looking for info from ppl that had the same idea that i did ( flash other devices radios) to minimize my bricking risk. Again I dont care abou brick it!!!
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You did nothing wrong. The other guy was just rude, and I have already reported him for the rude and hurtful post.
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filipeangelo said:
Where do I find this info?For the i727 and other devices.
Thx
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Alot of searching on google and this forum. I would not recommend anyone to try what i did. I also have ~15 years experience as a IT Professional with computers, linux, Security & Mobile devices. It was also in part a educated guess. The imei issues the other guy was talking about can happen if your not carefull and I also had to see if the cwm files had ril or not (They dont). Others are testing this modem/radio so Just wate.
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You did nothing wrong. The other guy was just rude, and I have already reported him for the rude and hurtful post.
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Alot of searching on google and this forum. I would not recommend anyone to try what i did. I also have ~15 years experience as a IT Professional with computers, linux, Security & Mobile devices. It was also in part a educated guess. The imei issues the other guy was talking about can happen if your not carefull and I also had to see if the cwm files had ril or not (They dont). Others are testing this modem/radio so Just wate.
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Thx for your kind answer man. I guess i got no lucky to find technical info regard the modems chipset here.
Ill have to dig deeper on google.
Thx anyway
You do realize that every single thing done on this entire website incurs a risk of bricking, right? It's his own responsibility to know that, not your responsibility to shove it up his butt. He's trying to figure something out to make his device better for him, which it sounds like he knows the risks of, and which is also the whole point of this website. If you have no useful advice to offer, don't talk.
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I mean I myself will wait until the last day to return it, and hope the bootloader issue has been solved. But what a shame, this device is nice. To hear the htc one already has cm10 is kinda of disappointing. So the question I ask what device will you get instead? Is it even worth it to get the international gs4 version?
I'm sticking with the GS4. I can live with the Disable option for now.
Also, I'm coming from a GSM Galaxy Nexus, so I'm already familiar with Samsung's hardware.
I don't care about the locked bootloader
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Why not have some faith in the awesome developers of XDA to crack it?
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I don't care about the locked bootloader
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Why not have some faith in the awesome developers of XDA to crack it?
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I'm sure it will be unlocked, its just a matter of time. Some people don't wait to wait for that time. The HTC One will most likely have a better CM10.1 experience because of the devs that have been working on it.
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I don't care about the locked bootloader
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Why not have some faith in the awesome developers of XDA to crack it?
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Trust me I do, but at the same time samsung needs to be sent a message on this. What a better way than to return their locked device. There are alot of unhappy campers here.
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I'm sure it will be unlocked, its just a matter of time. Some people don't wait to wait for that time. The HTC One will most likely have a better CM10.1 experience because of the devs that have been working on it.
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Time does not always mean a better ROM. Different developers pump out different stuff and once the bootloader is unlocked, the excitement will steamroll over to the GS4 development side. Guaranteed the GS4 has better custom roms at the end of the year :fingers-crossed:
raqball said:
I don't care about the locked bootloader
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Why not have some faith in the awesome developers of XDA to crack it?
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If you have faith in what our awesome developers say, you should be as skeptical as they are about getting the bootloader unlocked. djrbliss tweeted yesterday that he doesn't think the bootloader can be cracked without a leak from Samsung. A few days ago, Entropy pointed out that since the S3, Samsung devices have gotten harder to crack, and they seem to be learning from their past mistakes and stepping up their bootloader security.
Still, AdamOutler is working on getting it unlocked, which is encouraging.
My point is, people shouldn't get their hopes up. If the bootloader is cracked(and I sincerely hope it happens), then great. But if it isn't, and you can't live without custom roms, then the AT&T S4 isn't the phone for you.
Thermalwolf said:
Time does not always mean a better ROM. Different developers pump out different stuff and once the bootloader is unlocked, the excitement will steamroll over to the GS4 development side. Guaranteed the GS4 has better custom roms at the end of the year :fingers-crossed:
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It will all depend It is way to early to say which one will have better devs and roms but I do know a lot of good devs have picked up the HTC One and that mixed with the international version having the same hardware as AT&T will be HUGE! I think the big question will be with the HTC One camera on a CM build. if they can't get the drivers for the camera it may just be a 4 MP? Who knows. But Mr. Cyanogen himself has the One and other great devs. I hope for a quick unlock
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If you have faith in what our awesome developers say, you should be as skeptical as they are about getting the bootloader unlocked. djrbliss tweeted yesterday that he doesn't think the bootloader can be cracked without a leak from Samsung. A few days ago, Entropy pointed out that since the S3, Samsung devices have gotten harder to crack, and they seem to be learning from their past mistakes and stepping up their bootloader security.
Still, AdamOutler is working on getting it unlocked, which is encouraging.
My point is, people shouldn't get their hopes up. If the bootloader is cracked(and I sincerely hope it happens), then great. But if it isn't, and you can't live without custom roms, then the AT&T S4 isn't the phone for you.
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Cool! Thanks for the informative post..
I am not really following any of this as I don't have any interest in custom ROM's.
I have not even rooted yet but may do so once we have a way to restore back to factory. I'm pretty simple these days (I was a chronic flasher in years past) but now I only consider root if I want to use Titanium and AdFree..
I know a lot of users want custom ROM's though so hopefully the bootloader can and will be cracked.
joshuadjohnson22 said:
It will all depend It is way to early to say which one will have better devs and roms but I do know a lot of good devs have picked up the HTC One and that mixed with the international version having the same hardware as AT&T will be HUGE! I think the big question will be with the HTC One camera on a CM build. if they can't get the drivers for the camera it may just be a 4 MP? Who knows. But Mr. Cyanogen himself has the One and other great devs. I hope for a quick unlock
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Cyanongen ...has both the One and S4 " https://plus.google.com/100275307499530023476/posts/eGmW8e8sCn4 "
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wttisme said:
Personally right now I'm fine with a root and de-bloating. I do know it's possible to remove the root and return to stock if you need or want to return the phone because I had to. I just deleted the SU binary along with Busybox from system/xbin and the phone status went back to custom and lock on boot went away.
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Yeah I am ok with that to but man the UI is so ugly... I hope to see some changes lol
As for the bootloader, the biggest problem is the number of potential developers. I'm not buying the device (full price) and a jtag just to test. And the fact that they're using an open source system is not encouraging..But let's see what happens! It does reaffirm my distain for ATT though.
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Is this bootloader directly tied to the ability to Overclock? That is the only thing I care about. I find the stock rooted rom to be best on my s3 and my current s4. Just want some OC lol
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Borii said:
Is this bootloader directly tied to the ability to Overclock? That is the only thing I care about. I find the stock rooted rom to be best on my s3 and my current s4. Just want some OC lol
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Yes... No way to OC without a custom kernel or recovery to flash said kernel.
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SysAdmNj said:
Trust me I do, but at the same time samsung needs to be sent a message on this. What a better way than to return their locked device. There are alot of unhappy campers here.
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Yeah... a few thousand units being returned will surely make samsung cry when they're counting how many millions they've sold
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Yeah... a few thousand units being returned will surely make samsung cry when they're counting how many millions they've sold
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They may not notice but at&t sure will
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They may not notice but at&t sure will
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No, AT&T will not notice. They don't make their money from device sales; they make their money from monthly bills. So, all those who returned their S4's for One's and didn't switch to a different carrier won't even get AT&T's attention.
Personally I'm just going to wait for the bootloader to be unlocked before I buy one, if it turns out that the bootloader is not unlockable I'll just buy a GS3.
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No, AT&T will not notice. They don't make their money from device sales; they make their money from monthly bills. So, all those who returned their S4's for One's and didn't switch to a different carrier won't even get AT&T's attention.
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Thanks for the info but you have not changed my mind on the matter. I'll wait as long as I can.