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WebOS port to higher end hardware?

As a current Motorola atrix owner as well as a pixi owner, I love the polished UI and multitasking abilities of WebOS much more than Android. That being said, the device I currently use is almost four times more powerful than my pixi and nearly as powerful as the new touchpad. I was thinking that if the homebrew community is able to port WebOS to not only more powerful hardware but more hardware in general it would greatly benefit the survival and well-being of WebOS. So would anybody want to develop a port for the Motorola Atrix? I will offer as much of my help as possible.
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atrix103 said:
As a current Motorola atrix owner as well as a pixi owner, I love the polished UI and multitasking abilities of WebOS much more than Android. That being said, the device I currently use is almost four times more powerful than my pixi and nearly as powerful as the new touchpad. I was thinking that if the homebrew community is able to port WebOS to not only more powerful hardware but more hardware in general it would greatly benefit the survival and well-being of WebOS. So would anybody want to develop a port for the Motorola Atrix? I will offer as much of my help as possible.
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I would love to see this project take off! Even if I have no Atrix
In theory this can be done as WebOS built on top of Linux kernel (the same way as Android) and the kernel modifications are available from HP. But the whole OS is not open source so I'm not sure how legal a port would be... It's not a technical problem (even I was able to get to root image) but it can stop a lot of developers... But as I said, I'm fully supporting this project!
Are there anyone who knows how to extract the uImage? Or that if it has a similar initramfs as th Android zImage?

To be honest I have to reasons for choosing the atrix, 1. I have it and I want a port . 2. It should be simpler, if not at least a little more straight forward, to port the HP Touchpad's image to the Attic since they have similar specs and are both based on ARM Cortex A-9 architecture.
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HP said that they will release WebOS for other phones the next year.

TravisAntonio said:
HP said that they will release WebOS for other phones the next year.
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What's your source? From what I've read, they're only considering it.

anghelyi said:
I would love to see this project take off! Even if I have no Atrix
In theory this can be done as WebOS built on top of Linux kernel (the same way as Android) and the kernel modifications are available from HP. But the whole OS is not open source so I'm not sure how legal a port would be... It's not a technical problem (even I was able to get to root image) but it can stop a lot of developers... But as I said, I'm fully supporting this project!
Are there anyone who knows how to extract the uImage? Or that if it has a similar initramfs as th Android zImage?
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Everyone tries to port webOS to other phones but we never see the fruit come into fruition. Where's that HTC Hero port they were supposedly making?

[Q] CM7 and bluetooth audio (a2dp) questions

It is my understanding that blue tooth audio (playing music through bluetooth say to a car bluetooth speaker system for example) does not work on CM7 builds. I therefore have some questions:
1. Is this also true for ANY cm7 based rom?
2. Are there plans to support a2dp?
3. Are there any custom roms that support the sixaxis bluetooth app besides cm7 on the g2x? (my main reason for sticking with cm7)
Sorry if my questions have been answered elsewhere, I have really tried to search and haven't found the information I was looking for.

2.3.3 supports it, 2.3.5 does not, correct me if im wrong. This is due to nvidia not releasing some code. And if they dont release then a2dp will never work properly on custom roms after 2.3.3
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noobletsausecakebbq said:
2.3.3 supports it, 2.3.5 does not, correct me if im wrong. This is due to nvidia not releasing some code. And if they dont release then a2dp will never work properly on custom roms after 2.3.3
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Yes, nvidia will not get a single penny from me anymore, and i will prevent any family member from buying nvidia also.

fcisco13 said:
Yes, nvidia will not get a single penny from me anymore, and i will prevent any family member from buying nvidia also.
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That's not really going to hurt a huge company
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I think its more of a principle thing, I don't think he really intends to bring down a huge company like that.
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goku31640 said:
I think its more of a principle thing, I don't think he really intends to bring down a huge company like that.
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+1
Why vote, one vote (your vote) wont win an election.

I agree
fcisco13 said:
+1
Why vote, one vote (your vote) wont win an election.
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I think it's important for these companies to see any impact on consumers not purchasing their products. It hurts them more than you'd think. It just isn't apparently immediately. I agree though, I'm on the boycot Nvidea too.

pioneers2001 said:
I think it's important for these companies to see any impact on consumers not purchasing their products. It hurts them more than you'd think. It just isn't apparently immediately. I agree though, I'm on the boycot Nvidea too.
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Exactly bro. its like they will go bankrupt by releasing a couple of files, we already bought the phone and you are definitely not going to support it so why not release the files needed to keep development growing and you can attract more customers that way.
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NVidia has never been open source friendly (just ask anyone running Linux with an NVidia card). I thought maybe they were going to go down a better path when they started doing the Tegra chips for Android but I was wrong. Will stick to ATI from now on like I have for years.
Not sure what chipset on a phone I would switch to but I guess there's not a lot of competition in that area..

Thank you everyone for the replies. So I'm guessing that the answer to my first two questions is: yes then no? Can anyone that has tried using sixaxis with g2x answer for me if it works on any other rom other than cm7 based?
Also, probably a stupid question, but also at the risk of sounding facetious: has anyone tried just calling nvidia and asking them to release the necessary code? I don't mean contacting a low level support person that has no power. I mean looking up the contact info for one of nvidia's high level execs. I imagine that they could be reasonable, and if asked nicely, and maybe even if provided with a petition to release the code, they would do so. And in the process make cm7 even better, and attract more customers.

With so few companies in competition in both mobile SoC and performance video cards, I would imagine releasing any kind of driver would open up analysis by competing companies. And having owned both nvidia and ati graphics cards, I prefer nvidia's drivers.
Maybe I'm wrong but I see it as protecting their assets. Good luck. I would like to see this working on AOSP.
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Microsoft is taunting us...

http://blogs.computerworlduk.com/op...linux-booting-on-arm-based-hardware/index.htm
http://gizmodo.com/5876384/arm-devices-running-windows-8-will-have-boot-options-locked-down
If you're hankering after a Windows 8 tablet but thought you might also run Android, think again: Microsoft is planning to lock down the boot options on all ARM devices running its new OS.
Will they never learn?

and i was reading that an app has been developed to give Ipads access to windows 7 through a virtual storage (cloud) so that windows 7 can be used with all its potential on Ipads, whenever, anywhere and everywhere...
Those rich custards are being treated as if they deserve it.
Btw i read that ages ago (months?) about the windows 8 thing...

Nikropht said:
http://blogs.computerworlduk.com/op...linux-booting-on-arm-based-hardware/index.htm
http://gizmodo.com/5876384/arm-devices-running-windows-8-will-have-boot-options-locked-down
If you're hankering after a Windows 8 tablet but thought you might also run Android, think again: Microsoft is planning to lock down the boot options on all ARM devices running its new OS.
Will they never learn?
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It was hacked months ago....
http://news.techeye.net/software/windows-8-already-hacked
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mistermentality said:
It was hacked months ago....
http://news.techeye.net/software/windows-8-already-hacked
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"Kleissner told Ars Technica that the exploit did not currently target the Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI), but instead went after legacy BIOS."
These ARM devices will not have a legacy BIOS (the bios as such is an x86 thing), so this hack won't work on them.
This is Microsoft abusing their Windows monopoly, plain and simple. Offering discount licensing for Win8 only to companies who give in to their demands. Instead of playing with browser choosers, *this* is the kind of stuff the EU should be fighting against.

Gusar321 said:
"Kleissner told Ars Technica that the exploit did not currently target the Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI), but instead went after legacy BIOS."
These ARM devices will not have a legacy BIOS (the bios as such is an x86 thing), so this hack won't work on them.
This is Microsoft abusing their Windows monopoly, plain and simple. Offering discount licensing for Win8 only to companies who give in to their demands. Instead of playing with browser choosers, *this* is the kind of stuff the EU should be fighting against.
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Ah, I stand corrected then.
Dave
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You can't blame them for locking it down. They know that people will buy the devices for the hardware and then install their favourite OS, which is a bit of a kick in the teeth really!

DirkGently said:
You can't blame them for locking it down. They know that people will buy the devices for the hardware and then install their favourite OS, which is a bit of a kick in the teeth really!
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Who gives a ****. They got there money now let people do what they want with what THEY BOUGHT.
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xsteven77x said:
Who gives a ****. They got there money now let people do what they want with what THEY BOUGHT.
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agreed. if you pay for it. you should be able to do whatever u want to it
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DirkGently said:
people will buy the devices for the hardware and then install their favourite OS
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Probably not the cost-conscious ones. Don't forget, any tablet with Win8 is going to be sold with the MS tax included. An android device with the same hardware is always going to be cheaper.
I highly doubt manufacturers will stop making high-end android devices any time soon, so you'll always have the option of getting the latest hardware (for less!) by buying an android-native tablet.

I highly doubt manufacturers will stop making high-end android devices any time soon, so you'll always have the option of getting the latest hardware (for less!) by buying an android-native tablet.[/QUOTE]
I dont doubt that eather. There will still be open, highend Tablets. But still i realy dont think its ok from MS to force manufactors to use there secure boot, and lock them from alternative OSes. Thats the way there heading. Not only on Tablets. The whole Windows System is geting more closed. That they want to force users of ARM Tablets to use there Appstore is only one nasty thing. But they tried the closed system before with chips that check all the software on the system, and keep away all not certifyed software. They dident manage to do that in Windows 7, and maybe they still cant do it totaly on Windows 8, but im afraid with Windows 9 they will. I know that is still far away but its coming. And its realy nasty.
You can already see and feel the results of that from time to time. On my old, 32bit Notbook i had a security software to encrypt data and mount it as a external HD when you want to use it. On my new(64bit) Laptop i couldent use it anymore, just couse it was an open source project and they dident had the money to buy the driver certificat from Microsoft. By now i use TrueCrypt. Another Project that had the money to pay for it. Thats a good peace of software to but i realy dont like what MS is doing to Windows. I like XP and i love 7, but i hate were Windows is going!

DIY Android Device?

Is it plausible for an average consumer to purchase all the necessary components and build an Android smartphone/tablet?
Quite a number of people build their own computer rigs now, and I was curious to know if the same could be done with phones.
Might be a silly question, but if anyone's done it I would love to hear about it :laugh:

TI processors are sold in sets of 10,000 last time I checked so in terms getting hardware it may be difficult to say the least.
I would love to do this myself but it just seems so expensive to get the hardware, I wish dell would do with phones what they did to computers.
Imagine if you could pick your cpu, ram, radio etc then choose your case.
Alas I wait for said company
So in short I don't think it's possible
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You can if you want. You will need to buy the specific hardware from the vendor and have very good electronic knowledge.
Then you can compile an Android rom for the specific hardware.
But my only doubt is whether the hardware company from which you buy the hardware will provide all necessary drivers and codecs(which are mostly closed source)
In short, it is possible but it is not worth the effort!
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Eeepc 701 + touchkit + android x86
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I think
parts of the device which will come from different country, assembling and developing rom for device will cost you more than actual device available in market plus your time wasted in waiting for parts, assembling/developing rom then testing your device on both hardware and software level
its better to buy device rather than doing all this..
Computer can be assembled easily because All the component required to build computer are easily available in our local market

For something sort of comparable, check out The Tricorder Project for an excellent example. Create your own Star Trek "tricorder" with various sensors and a touchscreen that runs on Linux for around $200 and some work putting it together.

mf2112 said:
For something sort of comparable, check out The Tricorder Project for an excellent example. Create your own Star Trek "tricorder" with various sensors and a touchscreen that runs on Linux for around $200 and some work putting it together.
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Awesome.
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I wanna put Jellybean on my LG Optimus me.
All I need is:
more RAM
more storage
better CPU
Where can I get these parts? Also, how can I "extend" my phone's screen physically?

_Variable said:
I wanna put Jellybean on my LG Optimus me.
All I need is:
more RAM
more storage
better CPU
Where can I get these parts? Also, how can I "extend" my phone's screen physically?
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Sadly your LG optimus has everything hardcoded and finalized in design of hardware. Thus means what you wish is not possible or rather not worth it. Sad, everyone is waiting for the day we can build our own gadgets..

jopring said:
Is it plausible for an average consumer to purchase all the necessary components and build an Android smartphone/tablet?
Quite a number of people build their own computer rigs now, and I was curious to know if the same could be done with phones.
Might be a silly question, but if anyone's done it I would love to hear about it :laugh:
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soon as this will be a reality.... search up project ARA and you will be blown off minds
its a project by Motorola and google LEGO style phone with pick and stick hardware components
even a child will be able to fabricate new smartphone everyday
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Sadly your LG optimus has everything hardcoded and finalized in design of hardware. Thus means what you wish is not possible or rather not worth it. Sad, everyone is waiting for the day we can build our own gadgets..
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just search up project ARA.
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Ubuntu for phones

So, the news spreads fast. The first phone to get it will be GNex. Hoping developers will make me (and many others) happy and let us give it a try...
http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/phone

This raises a question right away in my head: Why? Whats the point?
We already have a working linux-based, open source OS - Android

Luckily, Ubuntu is supported from our HTC One S. So when the Ubuntu's image for Galaxy Nexus will be released, which good developer will take/port it to our phones ? On web people say that will be very easy port/take Ubuntu's Image for Galaxy Nexus to Mobile Phones with 1GB of Ram and Dual Core.

This would be awesome because Ubuntu doesnt give a **** about the Java vm and we could have native apps like wp8 and ios

Gonna follow this thread. Interesting !

Goatshocker said:
This raises a question right away in my head: Why? Whats the point?
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So that you can have a different version for every chipset and phone with incompatible drivers and incomprehensible instructions, just what the Linux community love.
"You want to what? make a phone call? that functionality won't be available until version 10.0.4.9.6.3.1 spangly-sugababe on your chipset."

Goatshocker said:
This raises a question right away in my head: Why? Whats the point?
We already have a working linux-based, open source OS - Android
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I didn't understood the answer above, so here's mine - because Android is far from a pocket PC, in what will Ubuntu turn it in. And for all the people who know why they are here - "curiosity" and experimenting is the right answer.

This looks good for people who don't use many apps.. Which allows the clean interface.. Maybe good for the older crowd.
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sudo apt-get install angry_birds

seozone said:
This looks good for people who don't use many apps.. Which allows the clean interface.. Maybe good for the older crowd.
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Yeah, android started a few years ago with 3000000 apps in the store
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having a full OS is nice, docking it and connecting to a monitor will transform your phone in a Desktop PC but, unfortunatelly, at least for now the system is veeery laggy and they don't have any release plans till 2014, by then Android and iOS will evolve even more and the 'need' for this kind of OS will no longer exist. Just MHO.

wildmaiden said:
sudo apt-get install angry_birds
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The following files are incompatible with Angry Birds and will be uninstalled.
Kernel
File system

Troute said:
The following files are incompatible with Angry Birds and will be uninstalled.
Kernel
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Lol I love seeing some people who know Linux. While we giggle at these jokes others are like "huh?" Lol.
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The thing is, unless they plan on only releasing it on x86 devices, the compability will be terrible. So you will have a full desktop OS, with no "easy" way to install programs.
Its the same as Win8 ARM-version. Its not like you can install PC-games on it etc...
I really dont see the point in bringing in another mobile OS at this point. Android and iOS have had years to develop within the communities, and both OS's hosts a huge amount of apps.
The only thing android is missing for being a "laptop replacement", imo, is better multitasking, and ability to run every app in a small window instead of fullscreen (like OverSkreen and AirCalc).
And, of course, a taskbar to quickly change between windows.
Implement those things and I'll throw my laptop out of the window lol.

It will be compatible with both ARM and x86. And if it is using the resources more wisely - then give it to me. I miss many of the PC OS's functions on Android. And if Android one day gets windowed style apps - it will need 16GB or RAM and 24 core CPU and a truck sized battery to feed this.

bo6o said:
And if Android one day gets windowed style apps - it will need 16GB or RAM and 24 core CPU and a truck sized battery to feed this.
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No it wont.
Edit: well obviously if you insist of having 10 million programs open at once like on a PC, then yes.

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It will be compatible with both ARM and x86.
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Ah but which ARM chips? if it's anything like the support for current ARM products it will be only a very small selection of devices and even then getting it to work on a device with this graphics chip and that camera will be a difficult task, but that's for devs to worry about. What joe public will see is every phone with a completely different GUI and no 'standard' between them, which is what manufacturers want, so they can tie us into their own product line as per IOS.
Somebody posted elsewhere that Samsung were going to come up with their own OS, I disagreed but if Linux Mobile becomes a reality I may be proved wrong.

They said that will use even the same drivers as android. Both are linux based. So don't worry. Just wait, if you aare interested.
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Ubuntu will run fine. If it's something you're interested in having then it didn't be a long wait. Rumor was the image for the nexus would be out real soon. So if some good devs still working on the one s wanted to they could get it going in our phones.
I'd like to run Ubuntu on my phone only because I use it on my pc and its so nice and light. Boots fast and is so light weight
Hope we get to taste it real soon!
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I am looking forward to this as well can't wait to run it. I'm a big supporter of the Ubuntu software.
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