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It's Time for Google to take control of the Android update process

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/mobile-ne...of-the-android-update-process/664?tag=nl.e550
I completely agree. Manufacturers can provide the hardware drivers and Android has them built-in to the OS. That way, EVERYONE (as long as the hardware is compatible) gets the latest version of Android on release day. You know, like Microsoft Windows?

Rikusaki said:
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I completely agree. Manufacturers can provide the hardware drivers and Android has them built-in to the OS. That way, EVERYONE (as long as the hardware is compatible) gets the latest version of Android on release day. You know, like Microsoft Windows?
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I totally agree with this but as long as each carrier insists on adding their own bloatware this will never happen.

zelendel said:
I totally agree with this but as long as each carrier insists on adding their own bloatware this will never happen.
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They can put the bloatware on all they want and every release of Android can be nice and clean (AOSP). Like how HP and Sony laptops have bloatware to begin with, but you can install a clean version of Windows on top of that.

Rikusaki said:
They can put the bloatware on all they want and every release of Android can be nice and clean (AOSP). Like how HP and Sony laptops have bloatware to begin with, but you can install a clean version of Windows on top of that.
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Could work but here is where you will run into trouble. Once you load an AOSP rom onto the phone AT&T or carrier of choice will not have to support it. Could you imagine getting bounced between Samsung and Google to get support. Dont get me wrong, I would love to see this myself but I just dont see it happening unless A. Google offers support for every device running android, Not to likely, B. Carriers agree to support non branded software, even less likely.

Ya not going to happen sorry. Each company would have to have the source code to make the phones compatible then the service providers would have to have that info. Then it would all have to be sent back to google. So it is essentially adding another later of delays
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The service carriers owning so much control over the OS and devices kind of reminds me of the days when you'd purchase internet service via AOL. You had to install all their crap just to get to the internet...and you lived within their little AOL content-land...
Eventually, perhaps, cell service providers could become more like ISP's today. You pay more for the internet access and less for all the useless desktop icons and name branded chat rooms LOL.
It would take a shift in the industry, and it's not a shift the carriers would benefit from, IMO, so don't hold your breath.

DucatiGuy said:
The service carriers owning so much control over the OS and devices kind of reminds me of the days when you'd purchase internet service via AOL. You had to install all their crap just to get to the internet...and you lived within their little AOL content-land...
Eventually, perhaps, cell service providers could become more like ISP's today. You pay more for the internet access and less for all the useless desktop icons and name branded chat rooms LOL.
It would take a shift in the industry, and it's not a shift the carriers would benefit from, IMO, so don't hold your breath.
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I completely agree with that hopefully that is the future but it seems so unlikely. Most people honestly don't care that all that extra junk is added
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Umm if iphones are potentially going to more than verizon and Att, then isn't apple still going to release version X.X for everyone as they have been doing? Why would Google have it any other way?
They (Google) absolutely does need to get the bull by the horns on this.. my 69 cents.
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born_fisherman said:
Umm if iphones are potentially going to more than verizon and Att, then isn't apple still going to release version X.X for everyone as they have been doing? Why would Google have it any other way?
They (Google) absolutely does need to get the bull by the horns on this.. my 69 cents.
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Yeah, if Apple can do it, why can't Google?

born_fisherman said:
Umm if iphones are potentially going to more than verizon and Att, then isn't apple still going to release version X.X for everyone as they have been doing? Why would Google have it any other way?
They (Google) absolutely does need to get the bull by the horns on this.. my 69 cents.
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Most likely not as the verizon version will have diff hardware, they will most likely have a version for cdma and a version for gsm models. Not to mention Google has more hardware configs to worry about. The iphone except for the diff between cdma and gsm are all the same.

I still think Apple is going to have updates for the masses at one time - and they do it as promised..
Yes Google has more devices, but just like apple, the new software is available for previous versions, just that ur specific device may not be able to support it.
Wishful thinking?
zelendel said:
Most likely not as the verizon version will have diff hardware, they will most likely have a version for cdma and a version for gsm models. Not to mention Google has more hardware configs to worry about. The iphone except for the diff between cdma and gsm are all the same.
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born_fisherman said:
Umm if iphones are potentially going to more than verizon and Att, then isn't apple still going to release version X.X for everyone as they have been doing? Why would Google have it any other way?
They (Google) absolutely does need to get the bull by the horns on this.. my 69 cents.
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If someone has answered this I apologize but...
NOO the iphones are completely locked down as almost all of their products are (I bought a mac pro for school and will never waste my money again). Apple is the only people who can provide updates. Like every apple product only their hardware will work. Exactly the opposite of both pcs and androids where tons of hardware will work with the os
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zelendel said:
Most likely not as the verizon version will have diff hardware, they will most likely have a version for cdma and a version for gsm models. Not to mention Google has more hardware configs to worry about. The iphone except for the diff between cdma and gsm are all the same.
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I agree Google has a lot bigger challenge due to so many hardware configs. Apple has control of all the hardware in their phones where as Google doesn't.

Ebvad said:
I agree Google has a lot bigger challenge due to so many hardware configs. Apple has control of all the hardware in their phones where as Google doesn't.
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I would love to see Google go the Apple route and manufacture their own phone and tablet hardware. Control the entire process.
Doesn't mean they have to take Android away from manufacturers, just provide us with a phone(s) that's TOTALLY theirs.

morfy50 said:
I would love to see Google go the Apple route and manufacture their own phone and tablet hardware. Control the entire process.
Doesn't mean they have to take Android away from manufacturers, just provide us with a phone(s) that's TOTALLY theirs.
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Nexus 1 and Nexus S???

emuneee said:
Nexus 1 and Nexus S???
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They need to make those phones available on more carriers.

If you don't know the history, you are deemed to repeat it. Unfortunately, Google learnt nothing from the past desasters of mobile OS update, a.k.a. Windows Mobile. Android today is in the exact same mess as WM in the past with the exception of more frequent OS updates than MS ever did. If Google can't forsee this type of release model aren't going to cut it, Android will follow WM to the grave.
Phone manufacturers are primary hardware makers. You can't trust them to produce quality softwares. That's why there are separate software companies out there.
Even Microsoft now knows it has to control the OS upgrade all by itself, bypass Phone makers altogether, in WP7.

emuneee said:
Nexus 1 and Nexus S???
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Google doesn't make the hardware for those phones

emuneee said:
Nexus 1 and Nexus S???
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Nexus One is a complete failure from business stand point of view. Nexus S isn't going too well either.

morfy50 said:
I would love to see Google go the Apple route and manufacture their own phone and tablet hardware. Control the entire process.
Doesn't mean they have to take Android away from manufacturers, just provide us with a phone(s) that's TOTALLY theirs.
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just a thought,
even though samsung manufactures the nexus s, i think even if google manufactured it they would still be using 3rd party components. ie they arent going to make the screen for it, they arent going to make the wireless chip.
they will have to get there parts from somewhere else, so why would they make it in the first place. im sure the way they have it now they have a huge say-so in what goes into the nexus.
so for them its a win-win situation.

No NETFLIX for Thunderbolt?

I just saw a video on Engadget stating that The netflix app need PRE-INSTALLED keys on a snapdragon chip. And if thee keys arent installed by OEM you cant play netflix on the phone.
Way to go Android!!
I guess iphone has had the keys for a year now! Wow Steve Jobs has these companys by the balls!
Fragmentation sux!!! Now im second guessing getting the thunderbolt.

The TB isn't even out yet so don't make assumptions, besides I'm sure it still possible in the long run
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Check the video on engadget. Also the app is months away. So it 100% the keys arent installed. The guy in the video clearly states that the HTC EVO cant do Netflix!
HUGE BUMMER!!! Windows Phone 7 has netflix and with a 00001% user base but android doesnt???
Come on man!!

BigBonkers said:
Check the video on engadget. Also the app is months away. So it 100% the keys arent installed. The guy in the video clearly states that the HTC EVO cant do Netflix!
HUGE BUMMER!!! Windows Phone 7 has netflix and with a 00001% user base but android doesnt???
Come on man!!
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The app not being out yet has nothing to do with the keys being installed or not. Qualcom has stated that there chips will support Netflix, not sure where you are getting that the keys will "100% not be installed".
Also the chip in the EVO is completely different from the one in the TB. The TB has the 2nd Gen SnapDragon. So the EVO not being able to do Netflix has nothing to do with the TB being able to do it or not.

The problem with Android is it may be less secure, you know with people hacking apps and flash, help we have hulu for free on Android because of it so maybe netflix is a bit weary
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I remember a quote saying that qualcomm chips would be the first to see Netflix on android. I imagine it's possible that they've been installing the required keys on the latest processors, but that kind of forward-thinking benevolence doesn't seem very realistic, unfortunately.
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Its just heart breaking man. I really dont give a snot about netflix but its the point....i want the option. WP7 doesnt deserve it!!!!

Chopstick2U said:
I remember a quote saying that qualcomm chips would be the first to see Netflix on android. I imagine it's possible that they've been installing the required keys on the latest processors, but that kind of forward-thinking benevolence doesn't seem very realistic, unfortunately.
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I would think though that they have been talking about this since it was in development, this has probably been in development for a year or two at least. I don't think Netfix is going to release an app for android without the phones to support it. That would be horrible for business, you would want the most amount of people possible to be able to use your product.

Its the fragmentation and Androids unwillingness to protect The DEV's products with DRM and such

What is the big issue with hulu and netflix? Surely there are alternate places to get your TV show fix since we have flash enabled, right?

i am on the iphone 4 but looking to get the thunderbolt or bionic and this is one of the reasons i dont want to switch yet i know its a small reason but i'd rather love the phone than like it

According to the spec sheet, I picked up today from Verizon, VOD will include Blockbuster.

Netflix only requires DRM security on the chipset which the TB has. However, I dont think Froyo supports DRM as the DRM SDK/API is only available on Gingerbread and Honeycomb. I dont know if there's a software work-around for this though. I'd expect the TB to have Gingerbread by summer and Netflix is still a few months out from release anyhow... plenty of time...

Actually i think netflix streams a video........blockbuster app downloads it then plays it. I had it on my droid x....you pay per flick..... its not a monthly thing.... Complete garbage and the wait was horrible.

CHOPES: That's not the issue. Absolutely there are other places which are...dubious at best. The issue is that Android (meaning Google) doesn't want to stand up to the MPAA who are putting pressure on Netflix to make sure the environment is locked down against all us "thieves" out there. ;-)
It's the same attitude that linux users, myself included, have to battle all the time. Just because we choose to use an OS that's not there's and some people have busted their copy protection that means all of us will do that.
I'd blame delays in the software development as much as on the handset development. I would sure hope that ANY 4G phone would be capable of streaming Netflix eventually even if they currently aren't.
Robert
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I would agree that once the software is sorted out the TB oughta be able to do it. this article http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/16/lg-revolution-dumps-tegra-2-chooses-1ghz-snapdragon-msm8655-ins/ says that lg used the Revolution as their phone to demo Netflix, AND it is using the exact same Snapdragon (MSM8655) that's in the Thunderbolt, so it seems to me that the Thunderbolt should have the DRM stuff in the chipset too .

I can't believ e people are *****ing about playing movies on a phone lmfao

tazzpatriot said:
I can't believ e people are *****ing about playing movies on a phone lmfao
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1) This isn't just a phone, "it's your phone after your next phone" -- couldnt resist, sorry....
2) Some people come in here and laugh at people who want to play games on their "phone" and say that's what a PSP or DS is for....
Really, it isn't just a "phone" or everyone here, including you, would own a standard flip phone. We buy and pay for these phones to get the MOST that we can out of them. We want a do-it-all phone... or at least the best that current tech can provide.
10 years ago, people were paying $200+ for portable 4-5" TV players.
With all your posts, I cant believe you'd come crashing into this thread so harsh-like.
edit: ALSO you're a rom builder, the elite of users who want the most of their phone... that makes your harsh statement that must more odd and confusing.

kenyu73 said:
1) This isn't just a phone, "it's your phone after your next phone" -- couldnt resist, sorry....
2) Some people come in here and laugh at people who want to play games on their "phone" and say that's what a PSP or DS is for....
Really, it isn't just a "phone" or everyone here, including you, would own a standard flip phone. We buy and pay for these phones to get the MOST that we can out of them. We want a do-it-all phone... or at least the best that current tech can provide.
10 years ago, people were paying $200+ for portable 4-5" TV players.
With all your posts, I cant believe you'd come crashing into this thread so harsh-like.
edit: ALSO you're a rom builder, the elite of users who want the most of their phone... that makes your harsh statement that must more odd and confusing.
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Dude I was only kidding relax.. just cuz I don't use it for that I understand people do geez.. was just joking
fueled by Red Sox Nation

tazzpatriot said:
Dude I was only kidding relax.. just cuz I don't use it for that I understand people do geez.. was just joking
fueled by Red Sox Nation
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My bad... Boston will do that.

Cyanogen hired by Samsung

"Looks like Google wasn’t the only one getting a huge acquisition today. While they were off buying MotorolaMobility today Samsung was busy hiring yours truly — Steve Kondik (aka Cyanogen himself)."
http://androidcommunity.com/samsung-mobile-hires-steve-cyanogen-kondik-20110815/
Wonder what this is going to mean for future development for CM roms.

Why would it mean anything? Do you really think Cyanogenmod is his day job? He'll keep working on it in his spare time, like he has since day 1.
Of course, even if Cyanogen had to drop out completely, CM has a whole team of people behind it, not just him.

I know it's not his day job, but it may be a conflict of interest with his new one.

v8dreaming said:
I know it's not his day job, but it may be a conflict of interest with his new one.
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Like what if they try to tell him he can't develop for other phones? Hmm...bad thoughts.
Id like to say this is a good thing for the future of CM and modding in general, but I have a bad feeling about it.

Uejji said:
Why would it mean anything? Do you really think Cyanogenmod is his day job? He'll keep working on it in his spare time, like he has since day 1.
Of course, even if Cyanogen had to drop out completely, CM has a whole team of people behind it, not just him.
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If you think for one second Samsung is going to allow him to work on CM then your smoking some crazy ****.
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jrwingate6 said:
If you think for one second Samsung is going to allow him to work on CM then your smoking some crazy ****.
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Why? Cm7 and custom roms in general are used by a tiny percentage if the phone-buying population. It's difficult to think about, but a good 95% of people that own android phones have no idea what rooting is, will never update the operating system even if an ota us pushed, and possibly don't even know their phone its android. All they know is that their phone is T-Mobile and it lets them check facebook. If they're feeling really adventurous, they might even download angry birds.
These are the kinds if people that Samsung makes its money off of.
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you all are thinking in 2D. cyanogen mod will become the "test" environment for samsung. they get free "testing" from tons of users and then they will package and deliver the final product on their phone without having to root. that would make the most sense to me so they should encourage cyanogen mod development.

jblah said:
you all are thinking in 2D. cyanogen mod will become the "test" environment for samsung. they get free "testing" from tons of users and then they will package and deliver the final product on their phone without having to root. that would make the most sense to me so they should encourage cyanogen mod development.
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you just described a perfect dream.

Well, I know what company I'm buying my next phone from.
Samsung just making the right moves.

I wonder what his title is gonna be....I purpose mobile systems czar.
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ashman3000 said:
I wonder what his title is gonna be....I purpose mobile systems czar.
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Sorry meant propose, silly swype!
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sstang2006 said:
you just described a perfect dream.
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ya that would be nice. i guess we'll see how samsung behaves. they can be like redhat that offers fedora for free but then they have the enterprise version redhat that they sell. or they can be like oracle who bought our sunmicro and then pretty much ended open office. But i guess open office now diverged into libre office so its not all bad. i guess cyanogen will continue one way or another.

CyanogenMod is a self running system. Download AOSP and convert it to specific devices.
Plus he's one Guy out of a whole team. I'm sure he doesn't touch every device. I wonder if he even touched the G2x?
Although I think this is good news. Perhaps they are just working with Samsung to setup an automated system like the CM team have now... nightlies across multiple devices running the latest Google code. Just tweaked here and there.
LG G2x - 2.3.5 MIUI or CM7.1
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This wouldnt be a conflict of interest, he isn't paid by anyone for the work he does with CM. Plus recently samsung has been really buddy-buddy with the development world I highly doubt they would say hey stop working on CM..
Remember Happy Employees = Productive Employees.

Berat said:
This wouldnt be a conflict of interest, he isn't paid by anyone for the work he does with CM. Plus recently samsung has been really buddy-buddy with the development world I highly doubt they would say hey stop working on CM..
Remember Happy Employees = Productive Employees.
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"While Kondik says CyanogenMod and Samsung won’t have anything to do with one another, it’s easy to think his background in user interface tweaking and phone customization will influence Samsung’s software design. Especially after the company sent Kondik and a number of other CyanogenMod hackers free Galaxy S2 handsets well before the wide release of the phone."

player911 said:
CyanogenMod is a self running system. Download AOSP and convert it to specific devices.
Plus he's one Guy out of a whole team. I'm sure he doesn't touch every device. I wonder if he even touched the G2x?
Although I think this is good news. Perhaps they are just working with Samsung to setup an automated system like the CM team have now... nightlies across multiple devices running the latest Google code. Just tweaked here and there.
LG G2x - 2.3.5 MIUI or CM7.1
Asus Transformer - 3.2 Revolver/Custom Kernel
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Cyanogen used to own a g2x.

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Especially after the company sent Kondik and a number of other CyanogenMod hackers free Galaxy S2 handsets well before the wide release of the phone."
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Well that settles it, Samsung clearly cares about its reputation with advanced users, and shutting down cm7 is about as hostile as it's possible to be.
This is going to work out great.
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Too bad Samsung sucks donkey balls as far as support and continued updates go.... Cyanogen was the guy that helped the companies like Samsung because they never provided continued support for their devices. Hopefully Cyanogen helps them improve their quality, but if not I hope he doesn't do it for free on the side.

Phenomenon said:
Too bad Samsung sucks donkey balls as far as support and continued updates go.... Cyanogen was the guy that helped the companies like Samsung because they never provided continued support for their devices. Hopefully Cyanogen helps them improve their quality, but if not I hope he doesn't do it for free on the side.
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I understand the hate towards Samsung during its Behold II days but since then it has gotten better and better until they became the most innovative Android manufacture recently. Their processors continue to own the competition. Everyone wants to get a hold of their displays and NAND memory and every single itteration of TW has gotten less and less intrusive. Their most recent flagship phone, the GSII has already received numerous updates. I don't know what type of update tine frame you would like our phones to get but quite frankly, all update timeframes suck if you buy a US branded phone. If you want to blame someone for our updates then blame our carriers. Updates over seas come out in a timely fassion. The European Sensation has already received 2 but the US Sensation hasn't received one.
So I ask you. What company in your opinion is good with updates and why?
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jrwingate6 said:
So I ask you. What company in your opinion is good with updates and why?
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google, because they actually send them out in a timely fashion.
sorry its the only ones i truest anymore, ill likely only go pure nexus branded phone from here out.
you can thank samsung and lg for that.

[Q] How to pick a phone with support?

I hope this question doesn't come across as unappreciative, but I am wondering if there are any patterns when it comes to purchasing a phone with consistent dev support from both the manufacturer and the android community. Do certain brands get released source more quickly than others, or is it luck of the draw? Same goes for dev support. Are there trends in the phones that get the most attention while others are left as an afterthought due to a PITA development process or general disinterest? I am satisfied with my Charge, but I want to know if I can choose more intelligently in future purchases. It seems like the phones with the best hardware are not necessarily the ones with the most support. Any thoughts?
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It seems that the good devs, minus danalo have jumped ship for the newer phones.... kejar just fornier his charge back so maybe we will see something new soon...... hopefully ics
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justin94 said:
It seems that the good devs, minus danalo have jumped ship for the newer phones.... kejar just fornier his charge back so maybe we will see something new soon...... hopefully ics
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No. It's just that we've jumped ship on XDA. We're fed up with the noobs and general insolence. Devs are still around if you know where to look.
As to what phone will get the most devs, it's gotta be the Galaxy Nexus.
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kvswim said:
No. It's just that we've jumped ship on XDA. We're fed up with the noobs and general insolence. Devs are still around if you know where to look.
As to what phone will get the most devs, it's gotta be the Galaxy Nexus.
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I've checked on other forums and the only thing I've found that isn't here is the infinity ROM which is an example of the Charge being an afterthought and not really the primary focus of a dev team. I didn't know if maybe one brand is more simple to develop.
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ethanperkins17 said:
I've checked on other forums and the only thing I've found that isn't here is the infinity ROM which is an example of the Charge being an afterthought and not really the primary focus of a dev team. I didn't know if maybe one brand is more simple to develop.
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Howso? Imnuts is extremely active in the Charge community, and Infinity is, in my opinion, the most well developed and mature ROM on this phone. I don't like the occasional hot boots that TSM Parts brings, but no dev has been more committed to this community, nor put in more time on this phone, than imnuts.

shrike1978 said:
Howso? Imnuts is extremely active in the Charge community, and Infinity is, in my opinion, the most well developed and mature ROM on this phone. I don't like the occasional hot boots that TSM Parts brings, but no dev has been more committed to this community, nor put in more time on this phone, than imnuts.
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You're absolutely correct. Do you have any helpfulness for the OP?
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so I'm not one to bicker but here I go...i haven't seen any statement from any devs on xda or the other site stating we've given up on the charge. Yes there are cooler phones but the charge is still one hot phone I've held the rest and honestly minus the hardware specs this is the hottest phone I've seen. I'm also 260 with brick hands so I like the size. Fact is samsung sucks with support so there is no source since froyo for the devs to play with and here we are on ice cream sandwich..blame.samsung not the devs. Danalo has said flat out hes working..and that is enough for me to back him up and support his work imnuts is still around..plus the other players still hard at work. As for stock support if thats what you meant.good luck there dropping phones every minute at this point so when you get that phone that guarantees support and updates a few weeks later your sol and will be depending on devs and leaks to help you out. I for one will stick with the charge until the apps being made demand more power as of right now I can't see a 5 mb app needing a dual core proc or a quadrant score of 3000..sorry I ramble..lets hope one of these devs loves the phone the way I do and keeps cracking at it for some time to come..and if samsung dissent come through in the next year if ill get my 300 dollars worth when I toss my beloved charge through a 300 pain of glass at samsung central!

SO_dank said:
so I'm not one to bicker but here I go...i haven't seen any statement from any devs on xda or the other site stating we've given up on the charge. Yes there are cooler phones but the charge is still one hot phone I've held the rest and honestly minus the hardware specs this is the hottest phone I've seen. I'm also 260 with brick hands so I like the size. Fact is samsung sucks with support so there is no source since froyo for the devs to play with and here we are on ice cream sandwich..blame.samsung not the devs. Danalo has said flat out hes working..and that is enough for me to back him up and support his work imnuts is still around..plus the other players still hard at work. As for stock support if thats what you meant.good luck there dropping phones every minute at this point so when you get that phone that guarantees support and updates a few weeks later your sol and will be depending on devs and leaks to help you out. I for one will stick with the charge until the apps being made demand more power as of right now I can't see a 5 mb app needing a dual core proc or a quadrant score of 3000..sorry I ramble..lets hope one of these devs loves the phone the way I do and keeps cracking at it for some time to come..and if samsung dissent come through in the next year if ill get my 300 dollars worth when I toss my beloved charge through a 300 pain of glass at samsung central!
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I don't know how this got turned around to be viewed as an attack on the remaining charge devs, but I'll assume it's because the general atmosphere around here is one of ignoring the original question and just gleaning a topic to start a debate about. From what you said, apparently Samsung sucks at supporting their phones, which leaves the original question unanswered of "what brand has the best support". Also, yes, the Charge has a few devs. I appreciate their work so I'm not sure why this is the subject every reply argues.
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Generally HTC and Motorola have the best community support, Samsung has always been worse off than them.
And I'm sure that this got turned into an "attack" on the remaining devs because there seems are always people that think they are entitled to something. Doesn't matter what community or what this something may be, there are always people that think something is owed to them. One should always make purchases based on what something can do and not what it could do.
Jason
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Also, since I never answered the original poster, you can best pick a phone that will get support by looking at what phones are currently well supported. There is a reason that those phones are supported, and generally future phones by that company are equally supported. Generally
Jason

HTC has by far the best record updating their phones, followed by Motorola, then Samsung, then LG. I'd guess we'll see a shift to faster updates eventually at Motorola due to their acquisition by Google, but that could take a while.
As far as dev support goes... you really can't predict that. The level of development on this phone is indeed very low, and that's not an attack on the developers -- it's just fact. Many phones have 3, 4, 5+ actively developed ROMs.
I'd say there's one easy prediction, though: that the Galaxy Nexus will get a lot of developer focus. Just look at how active development is for the almost two year old Nexus One. That's obviously in part due to the fact that Nexus handsets will always get the fastest official updates.

Falcyn said:
HTC has by far the best record updating their phones, followed by Motorola, then Samsung, then LG. I'd guess we'll see a shift to faster updates eventually at Motorola due to their acquisition by Google, but that could take a while.
As far as dev support goes... you really can't predict that. The level of development on this phone is indeed very low, and that's not an attack on the developers -- it's just fact. Many phones have 3, 4, 5+ actively developed ROMs.
I'd say there's one easy prediction, though: that the Galaxy Nexus will get a lot of developer focus. Just look at how active development is for the almost two year old Nexus One. That's obviously in part due to the fact that Nexus handsets will always get the fastest official updates.
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Thanks kart and falcyn for the responses. This^^^ was exactly the help I was looking for.
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IMHO, if you care to browse (much less post) on a forum any manufacturer updates or support are about as useful as a bicycle is to a fish. As for predicting what the support for one phone model over the other by people who work on their own time, it's about like guessing what the next big stock will be. Sure there's info, but it's really a guess. As said, Nexus looks hottest right now, but who really knows what comes out at CES and jazzes up devs?
I wound up going Charge over Bionic for screen and the way it felt I was a Moto fanboy, but I went with my gut, and I'm happy.
Even stuck with manufacturer support, chances are you'll have a useable year and a half out of any phone if you try out apps in store and are pleased. Might another wind up being better? Sure. Thing is, strike outs and striking gold are both rare. Just actually TRY the phones out and get what YOU like.

shrike1978 said:
I don't like the occasional hot boots that TSM Parts brings,.
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Not everyone sees this, I have run TSM for months & it hasn't had a hot boot yet.
~John

jmorton10 said:
Not everyone sees this, I have run TSM for months & it hasn't had a hot boot yet.
~John
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Which should surely cause one soonish now
Jason

DIY Android Device?

Is it plausible for an average consumer to purchase all the necessary components and build an Android smartphone/tablet?
Quite a number of people build their own computer rigs now, and I was curious to know if the same could be done with phones.
Might be a silly question, but if anyone's done it I would love to hear about it :laugh:

TI processors are sold in sets of 10,000 last time I checked so in terms getting hardware it may be difficult to say the least.
I would love to do this myself but it just seems so expensive to get the hardware, I wish dell would do with phones what they did to computers.
Imagine if you could pick your cpu, ram, radio etc then choose your case.
Alas I wait for said company
So in short I don't think it's possible
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You can if you want. You will need to buy the specific hardware from the vendor and have very good electronic knowledge.
Then you can compile an Android rom for the specific hardware.
But my only doubt is whether the hardware company from which you buy the hardware will provide all necessary drivers and codecs(which are mostly closed source)
In short, it is possible but it is not worth the effort!
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Eeepc 701 + touchkit + android x86
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I think
parts of the device which will come from different country, assembling and developing rom for device will cost you more than actual device available in market plus your time wasted in waiting for parts, assembling/developing rom then testing your device on both hardware and software level
its better to buy device rather than doing all this..
Computer can be assembled easily because All the component required to build computer are easily available in our local market

For something sort of comparable, check out The Tricorder Project for an excellent example. Create your own Star Trek "tricorder" with various sensors and a touchscreen that runs on Linux for around $200 and some work putting it together.

mf2112 said:
For something sort of comparable, check out The Tricorder Project for an excellent example. Create your own Star Trek "tricorder" with various sensors and a touchscreen that runs on Linux for around $200 and some work putting it together.
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Awesome.
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I wanna put Jellybean on my LG Optimus me.
All I need is:
more RAM
more storage
better CPU
Where can I get these parts? Also, how can I "extend" my phone's screen physically?

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I wanna put Jellybean on my LG Optimus me.
All I need is:
more RAM
more storage
better CPU
Where can I get these parts? Also, how can I "extend" my phone's screen physically?
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Sadly your LG optimus has everything hardcoded and finalized in design of hardware. Thus means what you wish is not possible or rather not worth it. Sad, everyone is waiting for the day we can build our own gadgets..

jopring said:
Is it plausible for an average consumer to purchase all the necessary components and build an Android smartphone/tablet?
Quite a number of people build their own computer rigs now, and I was curious to know if the same could be done with phones.
Might be a silly question, but if anyone's done it I would love to hear about it :laugh:
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soon as this will be a reality.... search up project ARA and you will be blown off minds
its a project by Motorola and google LEGO style phone with pick and stick hardware components
even a child will be able to fabricate new smartphone everyday
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Sadly your LG optimus has everything hardcoded and finalized in design of hardware. Thus means what you wish is not possible or rather not worth it. Sad, everyone is waiting for the day we can build our own gadgets..
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just search up project ARA.
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