Database Info

[Q] Rooting question

My sensation is s-off. I want stock recovery. Can I get root without cwm? If I just download the su app from market?
Thanks.
Oops please move to q/a

Nope, but if you don't like CWM you can restore back by doing this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1228648&highlight=OTA+stock

So I can flash cwm apply su/root then flash back stock recovery and I will get Ota updates with no problems?

Afaik, chances are good, that you'll get OTA updates, but I think you'll also lose root then.

hg3atintin said:
So I can flash cwm apply su/root then flash back stock recovery and I will get Ota updates with no problems?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Yes, worked for me ALSO: Read it through the guide, and insure that you got everything ready, if something should go the other way
bubuthebear said:
Afaik, chances are good, that you'll get OTA updates, but I think you'll also lose root then.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Nope, only if it is a brand new version, like the ICS, then you will loose it. But not if you change from gingerbread 2.3.4 to 2.3.5

TheStigx said:
Nope, only if it is a brand new version, like the ICS, then you will loose it. But not if you change from gingerbread 2.3.4 to 2.3.5
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
My experience is, that one will have to reapply root, if he installs something from stock.
But maybe I did something wrong in the past

My experience with CWM has been nothing but good. You should just install that recovery. I think, in my opinion you would like it. I've had it on my HTC sensation for several months now. No issues

100% agree guys here have latest updates in there roms before any ota updates - you can be running ics now if u want . U can always go back to stock s-on later. I'm no techie but I would never go back unless I needed to for warrenty
Sent from my HTC Sensation Z710e using XDA App

[Q] I need to make "update.zip" working from stock ICS recovey..

Hello
I need to create "update.zip" file that I can apply (flash) using the stock recovery that comes with stock ICS 4.0.3 .. Changing some wallpaper files and notifications....
I found this link :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=732957
But I am afaraid that this will not work in ICS , or at least it needs CWM ...
I don't want to use CWM recovery , reason = I have to unlock the bootloader and loose all my data ...
Thanks

You can try to root your device with SuperOneClick and install ROM Manager in order to install CWM.

rafatz said:
You can try to root your device with SuperOneClick and install ROM Manager in order to install CWM.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Thanks anyway .......
Now back to topic question :
I need to make "update.zip" working from stock ICS recovey..any tool or how to ?

To my knowledge it needs to be signed by google to do it through stock recovery. We have no current way to sign something like that, which is why we use custom recoveries.

Harbb said:
To my knowledge it needs to be signed by google to do it through stock recovery. We have no current way to sign something like that, which is why we use custom recoveries.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Can't the dev gurus "imitate" the signature from a stock ROM zip ?

..

Election Day said:
Wouldn't it be a whole lot easier to root with SuperOneClick, install Titanium Backup, unlock the bootloader, install ClockworkMod and then restore all your data?
So far Google's signatures haven't been cracked as far as I know, and doing so would probably only cause them to change them. Also, the stock recovery has far less features, such as nandroid capabilities which are very useful if you want to tweak your ROM every now and then.
I know losing the data can be annoying, but if you back it up properly it won't be too bad. Now you're just waiting for the point to bite the bullet and do an oem unlock, because you know that deep down inside you want to. =)
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Thanks Election Day ...
Can I install SuperOneClick from the phone ? Have you got a link ?
Actually I unlocked the bootloader and used CWMR before when I downgraded from ICS to GB (then went back to ICS by the way) , but locked the bootloader again after that ....
Can you please post me a "problem free" root method for stock ICS ROM 4.0.3 ? is it the superoneclick ?
Thanks

use this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1479831

..

[Q] JB update and custom kernel

Hi all,
I'm sorry about my stupid question but I really don't know nothing about that . I had rooted and flashed my NS and installed the matr1x kernel (very good btw), and now I knew that JB will be available to NS. My question is, need I back to stock kernel to receive the update?
Thanks
Sent from my Nexus S using xda app-developers app

Gnng
You have to understand that installing an OTA (official update) on a rooted device regardless of what kernel can cause problems, as it did with my Nexus S before. I suggest you make a NANDroid backup at all times before you install any ROMs, official or Custom. You can also use Titanium backup and others.
There's still a slight while until the new JB 4.1 comes out. It's suggested that you install a Custom JB 4.1 ROM for your Nexus S as though you don't cause any problems. I think it's OK if you do it with the kernel pre-installed. But people always install the Custom ROM THEN they install the Kernel, I think installing a new ROM always overwrites the kernel, if it comes with it.
EDIT:
In short, wait for the JB Custom ROM and you don't have to revert back to stock kernel, when you do the update it will automatically overwrite. Most Custom ROMs come with Stock/ordinary kernels. So then the user can flash whatever kernel they like in your case, matr1x.
Wish you the best of luck, and I am waiting for the Nexus S JB to come out as soon as possible

Ota binary patches the boot image iirc. So it can get all messed up.
Sent from my Samsung Epic 4G using Tapatalk 2

Yeah, what he said!
MДЯCЦSДИT said:
Ota binary patches the boot image iirc. So it can get all messed up.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse

andezzat,
Thank you very much for the help.
andezzat said:
Gnng
You have to understand that installing an OTA (official update) on a rooted device regardless of what kernel can cause problems, as it did with my Nexus S before. I suggest you make a NANDroid backup at all times before you install any ROMs, official or Custom. You can also use Titanium backup and others.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I didn't any backup before flashing a new kernel :crying:, so what can I do now if I want my stock kernel back?? What's a NANDroid (I know that is a tool but how can I do it?) ? Is Titanium bkp easily?
There's still a slight while until the new JB 4.1 comes out. It's suggested that you install a Custom JB 4.1 ROM for your Nexus S as though you don't cause any problems. I think it's OK if you do it with the kernel pre-installed. But people always install the Custom ROM THEN they install the Kernel, I think installing a new ROM always overwrites the kernel, if it comes with it.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I prefer wait for stock JB Rom and probaby I'll , but, can I already find some JB ROM?
In short, wait for the JB Custom ROM and you don't have to revert back to stock kernel, when you do the update it will automatically overwrite. Most Custom ROMs come with Stock/ordinary kernels. So then the user can flash whatever kernel they like in your case, matr1x.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I don't need to remove the kernel even unroot my cell, alright?
Thank you!!

Gnng said:
I didn't any backup before flashing a new kernel :crying:, so what can I do now if I want my stock kernel back?? What's a NANDroid (I know that is a tool but how can I do it?) ? Is Titanium bkp easily?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
A NANDroid backup is a internal memory backup. You can create one by booting into Recovery (Power off your phone and Hold Power and Down on your volume buttons.) If you rooted your phone and unlocked your bootloader (that's what you had to do to flash a new kernel), you should be able to load ClockworkMod or TeamWin Recovery and do a backup of your phone.
Gnng said:
I prefer wait for stock JB Rom and probaby I'll , but, can I already find some JB ROM?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
There's one rom but it's a port from the SDK and the amount of major bugs is high so it's not recommended but you could try another custom rom meanwhile, I can't go back to stock after trying custom roms, like AOKP and Cyanogenmod 9. Make sure you backup your apps and some settings (not everything will be compatible between stock and custom so pay close attention to which system setting you'll backup) with Titanium Backup.

To sum it all up for you
There's a Jelly Bean release which is unstable and has no sound, and will not be fixed until the REAL version comes out.
NANDroid backs up the whole internal memory on the phone including the system, it can be done from clockworkmod recovery.
Titanium backup, backs up specific settings and information that you choose, available from the playstore.
You don't need to unroot or go back to a STOCK kernel in order to flash a CUSTOM ROM. DO not however flash a STOCK rom after rooting, as at times that can cause problems.
If you want to go back to a STOCK ROM after rooting a device, there's a way, check this guide
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1063664
and choose your Nexus S model: To acquire model, go to Settings - About - Baseband version. if it says I9023 at the start that's your Nexus S's model
Choose one of the Fastboot Stock ROMs and use the Fastboot method to flash the ROM. That is a good way to go back to STOCK ROM if anything bad happens
By the way you should expect the new OTA official 4.1 update for the Nexus S to be on your model's page.
NOTE: Using Fastboot to flash a ROM is very clean. However this will delete all your data and if you do everything correctly will lock your bootloader and unroot your phone. So use Fastboot only when you really feel the need to.
Cheers
and stay tuned for Jelly Bean :victory:

andezzat said:
To sum it all up for you
You don't need to unroot or go back to a STOCK kernel in order to flash a CUSTOM ROM. DO not however flash a STOCK rom after rooting, as at times that can cause problems.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
That means, when I receive the official 4.1 update notification, I should unroot my phone first and just install it after?

Gnng said:
That means, when I receive the official 4.1 update notification, I should unroot my phone first and just install it after?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
OK first off, do not install the update using the system update method from about, as that is a 100% stuff up if you're still rooted or on a Custom ROM.
However to update I think flashing a stock ROM but USING Clockworkmod works fine!
Someone please confirm, as I am not 100% sure
However what I am sure about is that if you run into any troubles installing your STOCK ROM using Fastboot is very very good and clean, however there are 2 things:
1. You will wipe everything COMPLETELY
2. You need the ROM to be in a fastboot format kind of way for you to flash it
There's a guide and everything for fastboot.
---------- Post added at 12:35 AM ---------- Previous post was at 12:33 AM ----------
Personally I will wait for a custom ROM for 4.1 if it doesn't take too long as that's guaranteed and will obviously be faster and safer to install on a ROOTED device.
Someone still confirm if installing Stock ROM while over Custom ROM while ROOTED through CWM is OK or not!?

Hummm, ok...
I'm already using the Stock ROM, I just flashed a new kernel, and I prefer install the stock kernel and unroot my phone. Just to let it clean.
After I install the JB official update, maybe I flash and root again, depends of Google :laugh:
Do you know where can I download a trust official 4.0.4 kernel from the forums? My phone is a Nexus S I9020AUCKJ1, Version Number: IMM76D
Thanks!!!

Rooting Nexus S [Help]

A while back, I always rooted and unrooted my Nexus S with no problems at all. Now whenever I try to root it, it just goes wrong. I've tried TWRP & CWM, CWM used to always work but now it just messes up. Both TWRP and CWM both give me an error that say Installation Aborted when I try to install a custom rom. I've redownloaded the rom from different browsers and even different PCs but nothing working, still that same error. Does anyone have a guide that is 100% to work without any errors during the process?

What guide are you using?

paul96 said:
What guide are you using?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I used this one: http://nexusshacks.com/nexus-s-root/how-to-root-nexus-s-or-nexus-s-4g-on-ics-or-gingerbread/

1. Make sure you're running one the more recent versions of the custom recovery. You probably are but there are issues with older versions so just make sure.
2. Boot into what ever recovery you pick and do a full wipe. That is everything gets wiped but your SD card. Factory reset. Format /system etc.
3. Flash your ROM and gapps if they are seperate.
You should not get any errors. If your recovery is current and your flashing a new rom onto a fully wiped system and you still get a error either you're screwing something up or you may have a hardware problem.
To rule out a hw problem flash the factory images with fastboot. If those flash normally and everything works it is almost certainly user error.

albundy2010 said:
1. Make sure you're running one the more recent versions of the custom recovery. You probably are but there are issues with older versions so just make sure.
2. Boot into what ever recovery you pick and do a full wipe. That is everything gets wiped but your SD card. Factory reset. Format /system etc.
3. Flash your ROM and gapps if they are seperate.
You should not get any errors. If your recovery is current and your flashing a new rom onto a fully wiped system and you still get a error either you're screwing something up or you may have a hardware problem.
To rule out a hw problem flash the factory images with fastboot. If those flash normally and everything works it is almost certainly user error.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Alright, thanks Do you recommend that I root my Nexus S or should I wait for the Jelly Bean update? I've rooted before and I enjoyed it but now I don't see that many reasons to root, do you have any good reasons?

I have many. My reasons for root don't matter. If you don't have a reason for root then don't root. Its that simple really.
Make sure you're on a stock 4.0.4 rom. When the ota is out install it.
If you want just root on either os at any time just flash su.zip from custom recovery. Its that simple. Having root on a stock rom does not affect the ota process.

albundy2010 said:
I have many. My reasons for root don't matter. If you don't have a reason for root then don't root. Its that simple really.
Make sure you're on a stock 4.0.4 rom. When the ota is out install it.
If you want just root on either os at any time just flash su.zip from custom recovery. Its that simple. Having root on a stock rom does not affect the ota process.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
What are your reasons for root? Please share?

Getting rid of stuff I don't want in a ROM.
Apps that do things that require root.Titanium backup/autoruns adaway ( ad blocker app alone could be its one point) etc
Changing kernel settings. Bid/bin clocks volts etc.
Being able to have a replacement launcher use the ICS style widget drawer.
Lastly , I simply just can't see having a computer that I don't have root/admin rights to. Its my damn device and I do what I want.

albundy2010 said:
Getting rid of stuff I don't want in a ROM.
Apps that do things that require root.Titanium backup/autoruns adaway ( ad blocker app alone could be its one point) etc
Changing kernel settings. Bid/bin clocks volts etc.
Being able to have a replacement launcher use the ICS style widget drawer.
Lastly , I simply just can't see having a computer that I don't have root/admin rights to. Its my damn device and I do what I want.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Oh cool. There is this project that some members from XDA are working on called Sense4All and they are porting Sense to many devices. Im probably going to wait until a fully functionable release is available for the Nexus S. I do like AOKP a lot, so that might be a reason for why I'll root.

You seem to be a little confused with some terms. Root is simply being able to grant superuser permission.
You don't need to root to flash a custom rom on a nexus. Just a unblocked bootloader. You could run aokp or any other rom without root if you wanted to.

albundy2010 said:
You seem to be a little confused with some terms. Root is simply being able to grant superuser permission.
You don't need to root to flash a custom rom on a nexus. Just a unblocked bootloader. You could run aokp or any other rom without root if you wanted to.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Oh, I never knew that, haha. Is it possible to flash a custom kernel with an unlocked bootloader or does that require root access?

m1l4droid said:
No you just need a custom recovery. But using that kernel's mods, like BLN, OC, UV, touchwake, etc, requires apps that need root, like NSTools, SetCPU, etc.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Oh alright. Now I really wanna root + install a custom rom. Do any of you have a full 100% fully working guide for rooting Nexus S and which rom should I flash first? I already know what kernel I want.

http://forums.acsyndicate.net/showthread.php?2024-ACS-Nexus-S-One-Click-Root-V4-0

leap_ahead said:
http://forums.acsyndicate.net/showthread.php?2024-ACS-Nexus-S-One-Click-Root-V4-0
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Thank you so much! I rooted my phone with CWM recovery installed and Paranoid Android + gapps installed

OTA but keep Root?

Hey im tryinna OTA update my One S its at Android Version 4.0.4 Sense 4.1 and i have an OTA ive had it for a while now. How could i update it and keep my root? Or if i install a higher version custom rom will it brick my phone?
Sent from my HTC VLE_U

Br00talBean said:
Hey im tryinna OTA update my One S its at Android Version 4.0.4 Sense 4.1 and i have an OTA ive had it for a while now. How could i update it and keep my root? Or if i install a higher version custom rom will it brick my phone?
Sent from my HTC VLE_U
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
not sure what you mean with your last sentence... but:
in my case the ota deleted my root. but I also recommend to do a factory reset after updating to 4.1 sense 4+, just to be sure that you have a clean jb rom (do titanium backups of your apps you wanna keep).
but you have to be on stock recovery if you want to apply the ota.
after your update you can root your phone again.
applying the ota wont have any effect on flashing a higher / newer custom rom.
you only have to be unlocked and on custom recovery. but you alawys have to flash the boot.img of the custom rom after flashing the custom rom zip.

NQNH said:
not sure what you mean with your last sentence... but:
in my case the ota deleted my root. but I also recommend to do a factory reset after updating to 4.1 sense 4+, just to be sure that you have a clean jb rom (do titanium backups of your apps you wanna keep).
but you have to be on stock recovery if you want to apply the ota.
after your update you can root your phone again.
applying the ota wont have any effect on flashing a higher / newer custom rom.
you only have to be unlocked and on custom recovery. but you alawys have to flash the boot.img of the custom rom after flashing the custom rom zip.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
My bad i wasnt even payin attention to what i was typing and im still pretty much a noob at Root stuff so please bear with me lmao
Lets say i try to flash a 4.2.2. Rom even though im originally at 4.0.4. Would it brick my phone?
So would stock recovery be the stock rom i still hqve after rooting? I havent applied any custom roms at all since ive rooted
Sent from my HTC VLE_U

Br00talBean said:
My bad i wasnt even payin attention to what i was typing and im still pretty much a noob at Root stuff so please bear with me lmao
Lets say i try to flash a 4.2.2. Rom even though im originally at 4.0.4. Would it brick my phone?
So would stock recovery be the stock rom i still hqve after rooting? I havent applied any custom roms at all since ive rooted
Sent from my HTC VLE_U
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
the rom you want to flash doesnt care about your previous rom, because you wiped your previous rom.
so it really doesnt matter which rom you have before if you want to flash a new rom.
its like.. you have installed windows xp, then format your hdd and install windows 7, windows 7 doesnt take a --- about the old os
recovery and rom are two different parts.
you can stock recovery and custom rom, you can have custom recovery and custom rom, you can have stock recovery and stock rom.. blaaa

NQNH said:
the rom you want to flash doesnt care about your previous rom, because you wiped your previous rom.
so it really doesnt matter which rom you have before if you want to flash a new rom.
its like.. you have installed windows xp, then format your hdd and install windows 7, windows 7 doesnt take a --- about the old os
recovery and rom are two different parts.
you can stock recovery and custom rom, you can have custom recovery and custom rom, you can have stock recovery and stock rom.. blaaa
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Oooh okay i get what youre saying. Soo recovery and the rom are two different things. I can upgrade to whatever gigher version i want. What about the OTA? If i upgrade to higher version custom rom will the OTA icon go away?
Sent from my HTC VLE_U

Br00talBean said:
Oooh okay i get what youre saying. Soo recovery and the rom are two different things. I can upgrade to whatever gigher version i want. What about the OTA? If i upgrade to higher version custom rom will the OTA icon go away?
Sent from my HTC VLE_U
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
after u have flashed a custom ROM, you wont get any OTA updates
Well, not from HTC anyways

Seraz007 said:
after u have flashed a custom ROM, you wont get any OTA updates
Well, not from HTC anyways
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Oooooooh okay i get it now wow haha so custom rom updates are the OTA pretty much once its flashed on there?
Sent from my HTC VLE_U

Br00talBean said:
Oooooooh okay i get it now wow haha so custom rom updates are the OTA pretty much once its flashed on there?
Sent from my HTC VLE_U
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
well no
but u can update and then Root
That way you'll have the OTA radio and hboot and the custom ROM