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With source dropping for the dhd and how easy interoperability between our phones is do we need 2 different forums? Seems it would be easier on you guys if things merged.
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I agree. Now that the source is out it would make sense.
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it would be much easier for the DEVS which is more important. they wouldnt have to maintain 2 different threads for the same ROM, Theme or Kernel as well..
Very good point.
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so how do we initiate this or would the Mods even entertain this idea at this point since both forums have been established..
I suggest we work with the mods on this. I'll report my own thread to get some eyes on it.
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sounds like a plan..
yes please merge us!
I agree with this. There's a lot of threads I've seen today that are directing you to the DHD forum for further information/troubleshooting - why not make them the same rather than having to post everything twice, or making devs/users have to jump back and forth?
I have to disagree. I prefer the forums seperate.
I could care less what the people in Europe are doing with their Desire HDs. The Inspire is a US phone on AT&T. It has a seperate identity.
Keep in mind even though they are pretty much the same phone, they run on different networks, have different radio software, and are supported by different cell providers. People's experiences will be different than their European counterparts.
Please keep them seperate.
you do realize that almost everything in our forums are from the europe DHD forums right??? so why have 2?
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you do realize that almost everything in our forums are from the europe DHD forums right??? so why have 2?
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I think 2 just to keep it simpler. so that the threads arent filled with issues from the inspire in the desire thread and desire in an inspire thread.
if the dev part is merged to make it better for them is one thing, but you still need att specific sub forum for all the posts that are att specific.
The Dev secton right now is NOT the biggest part of this device forum, all the att specific issues are...
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if the dev part is merged to make it better for them is one thing, but you still need att specific sub forum for all the posts that are att specific.
The Dev secton right now is NOT the biggest part of this device forum, all the att specific issues are...
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A European ROM flashed with the kernel just released by apache14 works out of the box with no further user tweaking.
I have a feeling that all the rom chefs of Europe will be building their own kernels based on the source that dropped yesterday which is universal, and includes the variations to the American and Canadian DHDs.
I agree that a sub forum may be needed in General but not Dev.
yeah I'm not seeing anything that makes this device any different from the DHD device. The DHD forum isn't limited to 1 single carrier so i'm still not seeing your point of keeping it separate...
worst case scenario look at how the Motorola Milestone and Verizon Drioid forum is laid out.. maybe something similar
and besides the DEV section will start becoming the biggest part of our forums now that ROMS and Kernels are out
Also keep in mind that there are a lot of people who like me have no intention of rooting or modding their phone. So the DEV section is useless to people like me.
I used to jailbreak my iPhone for years, but got bored doing it. The only reason I flashed a custom ROM on my Captivate was cause you had to, being that the stock 2.1 was terrible.
Currently outside of the fact that the back speaker is terrible on the Inspire, I am completely happy the way the phone is. I don't feel I need to flash custom ROMs to get a phone to work the way it should. The Inspire currently works just dandy.
So don't assume everyone is into modding.
there is always the search function. That always helps. Besides where as I know that not ALL people root and load custom roms there are a good portion that do and since that is what the majority do on XDA (D=Developers) then I don't know how relevant your argument is on that one.
did you look at the motorola forum I previously mentioned to you?
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Also keep in mind that there are a lot of people who like me have no intention of rooting or modding their phone. So the DEV section is useless to people like me.
I used to jailbreak my iPhone for years, but got bored doing it. The only reason I flashed a custom ROM on my Captivate was cause you had to, being that the stock 2.1 was terrible.
Currently outside of the fact that the back speaker is terrible on the Inspire, I am completely happy the way the phone is. I don't feel I need to flash custom ROMs to get a phone to work the way it should. The Inspire currently works just dandy.
So don't assume everyone is into modding.
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Why are you using this forum then? No offense but if I wasn't in to modding my device I would use another less development oriented one like androidforum or something. Most people on xda DEVELOPERS are into development. But I am with you on keeping the dhd and inspire forums separate or at least the dev sections and my only logic on that is because of the sound issues but if the source being released fixes this than I guess there's no point. As far as general I could care less.......
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Why are you using this forum then? No offense but if I wasn't in to modding my device I would use another less development oriented one like androidforum or something. Most people on xda DEVELOPERS are into development. But I am with you on keeping the dhd and inspire forums separate or at least the dev sections and my only logic on that is because of the sound issues but if the source being released fixes this than I guess there's no point. As far as general I could care less.......
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Although I am not really into custom ROMs, I still think this is a great forum to hang out. Plus I think you get a more mature crowd on here who are a bit more techie oriented.
I also read on Androidforums.com and like how they have a separate section for every phone. I think it works, but then again on there I don't think you get the same kind of conversations as you get on here.
As far as what Gunny said, I don't really see a lot of DesireHD stuff in the general section of the Inspire forum. I am sure you do in the DEV section, but so far almost all the threads I see in here are all about the Inspire.
i would be curious to add a poll to this thread.. so far I am only seeing 1 maybe 2 people that may not agree. I'd love to see what general consensus states...
So I don't have any where else to put it(I think it should go under development but the rules say - if you didn't create it it doesn't belong there) but I found this post really interesting so Enjoy
I noticed it with the nexus s, may this be the reason we'll not get ICS??
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I noticed it with the nexus s, may this be the reason we'll not get ICS??
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not at all - it has nothing to do with it(as far as I understand)
Interesting read, but why would this belong in the development forum?
You did the right thing posting it in the general forum,as this is exactly where it belongs.
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Interesting read, but why would this belong in the development forum?
You did the right thing posting it in the general forum,as this is exactly where it belongs.
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I thought it belonged to development because its talking about hmm...development but I guess here was a better place after all
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Interesting read, but why would this belong in the development forum?
You did the right thing posting it in the general forum,as this is exactly where it belongs.
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I thought it belonged to development because its talking about hmm...development but I guess here was a better place after all
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This is a common misconception about the development forum.
It's not for things talking about development.
It's for things you have developed.
IOW, the only time one should start a thread on that forum is when one has developed something, and wants to share it with the community.
Anyways, sorry for the derail.
Not trying to sound like an ass or anything.
You did the right thing, and thanks for sharing the link.
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This is a common misconception about the development forum.
It's not for things talking about development.
It's for things you have developed.
IOW, the only time one should start a thread on that forum is when one has developed something, and wants to share it with the community.
Anyways, sorry for the derail.
Not trying to sound like an ass or anything.
You did the right thing, and thanks for sharing the link.
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sure, np don't worry about it
In spite of Samsung's best efforts to bury the news by reporting it a couple of days before Christmas, Friday's disclosure that the Galaxy S and Galaxy Tab won't get upgraded to Android 4.0 drew a lot of justified ire. Now the company seems to be backtracking like a champ, as reported by ajnews in Korea, by claiming that it will review the viability of updating those two devices in response to strong customer demand. While restating the difficulties of fitting its entire software footprint onto the Galaxy S and Tab's limited memory capacity, Samsung has been quoted as saying it'll investigate ways to try and make it work. We've reached out to Samsung for official comment on the matter and will update you as soon as we hear back.
http://www.theverge.com/2011/12/27/2663320/samsung-galaxy-s-and-galaxy-tab-ics-upgrade-review
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In spite of Samsung's best efforts to bury the news by reporting it a couple of days before Christmas, Friday's disclosure that the Galaxy S and Galaxy Tab won't get upgraded to Android 4.0 drew a lot of justified ire. Now the company seems to be backtracking like a champ, as reported by ajnews in Korea, by claiming that it will review the viability of updating those two devices in response to strong customer demand. While restating the difficulties of fitting its entire software footprint onto the Galaxy S and Tab's limited memory capacity, Samsung has been quoted as saying it'll investigate ways to try and make it work. We've reached out to Samsung for official comment on the matter and will update you as soon as we hear back.
http://www.theverge.com/2011/12/27/2663320/samsung-galaxy-s-and-galaxy-tab-ics-upgrade-review
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awesome news - 10x for sharing
ok ok i know im new hear but first impressions. i dont fell welcome.
the problem isnt the users hear. they are great..........its the moderators.
all i see is threds less than 24hours old with no replyes are closed. threads that need to be talked about. also threads that where closed for no reason. or some one has made a mistake and rather than fix the problom they just close it.
why are they doing this?
also after meany pleas from alot of users. they still refuse to make an xperia pro (not mini) thread or a sony tablet p thread
we cant "just use the xperia arc or xperia s forums" as they are still verry different when it comes to rooting ect,
this place moderated in the wrong way. this isnt supposed to be a dictatorship
im shore im going to get band for this but it only proves my point
just a few examples
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1642936
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1642807
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1644487
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1644233
also they keep crying "USE THE SEARCH".........im sorry but the "search" needs some work in a big way
Welcome.
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so did you just post this trying to make your way to the 10 post rule? im just saying... it looks that way because its just a few pages that your talking about, but any way... i just sign up because i got the HTC one x and android forums dont have people on it yet to help with the AT&T X. but you could always try them out... ive always gotten alot of useful info from AF.
Grow up. XDA is free. Most of us here, including mods, do this for NOTHING, except the occasional press of the thanks button.
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I'm sorry you feel that way dude, but you have to remember that the primary goal of XDA is development. Lot's of friendly people do their best to help the less tech savvy work their way through how to do things, but the primary purpose is to make it as easy as possible for the developers to develop. That means spam needs to be kept to a minimum.
I'm sorry, but that's just the way things are, and the majority of users are ok with this because they see that the results of this Iron Fist is faster and better development for all.
Isn't that video a part of the sign-up process anyway?
I don't believe so, but it should be. And if there was any place to vote on that, I'd vote for it 100%. I really, really believe it would help cut down on threads like these, especially since it has some humor in it and not everyone knows how to use a forum from the get go.
Hmmm.......I think this forum is great....
Half of the threads that are posted in different sections don't belong there. It's annoying seeing "Why is my phone rebooting?" with a very vague description of the problem, in the General section.
That's why most are closed, they're just in the wrong section.
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Go watch 'the video' sparky
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Thread closed. If you have a problem with the moderators, this is not the place to take it up with us.
Ok so as some of you may know development for the Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G is taking off somewhat and yet XDA is ignoring our requests for a forum in favor of devices that aren't out yet and devices that nobody much has heard of... I am posting this to ask anyone who remembers how long it took the Doubleshot to get its own forum as well as to ask my former community to help US out. (In other words... could y'all hit up the new forum request page and thank our posts/ bump the relay lol? (If this is against xda rules I apologize) or if anyone knows someone who can expedite this situation we'd all appreciate it.
Btw update - anyone wants my DS pm me, flex cable is failed and currently I have disassembled it while grounded and yes I'm tech savvy enough to not fry components. Idk how much to ask but make an offer lol.
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Ok so as some of you may know development for the Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G is taking off somewhat and yet XDA is ignoring our requests for a forum in favor of devices that aren't out yet and devices that nobody much has heard of... I am posting this to ask anyone who remembers how long it took the Doubleshot to get its own forum as well as to ask my former community to help US out. (In other words... could y'all hit up the new forum request page and thank our posts/ bump the relay lol? (If this is against xda rules I apologize) or if anyone knows someone who can expedite this situation we'd all appreciate it.
Btw update - anyone wants my DS pm me, flex cable is failed and currently I have disassembled it while grounded and yes I'm tech savvy enough to not fry components. Idk how much to ask but make an offer lol.
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Maybe XDA has a personal issue with phones with QWERTY keyboards.
We encountered this issue on my previous qwerty device also and believe me we almost got top 2 on the voting thread for new devices yet till now it still don't have any forum of its own. I already asked and the reason why it didn't get its own forum was not because of the lack of the community but instead the lack of real developers to support the device. To quote what the mod I talked to he said that
"XDA-developers" is a forum made for developers. Having even a thousand active members on a specific device but only have a handful of developers won't make it eligible for its own dedicated forum. As much as we'd like to provide every device it's own forum we also consider the cluttering of the forum itself so we are just narrowing down the devices on which we could get more active development than a forum full of average user questions.
Guys try www.sdx-developers.com its a Samsung hacking site
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That's the only thing we can do. I've contacted quite a few mods, and they all told me the same thing. Post in the forum. Sorry, I tried but there's nothing else i can do to expedite the process. it seems that they will only open the forum when they see fit.
@strapped, no offense, but that site seems kinda dead. Just like rootzwiki. Xda will create a thread for you guys eventually. I don't see the point in fragmenting the device across two sites. Keep at it
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The scotsman messaged me back in response to a question I asked and his reply was that the decision is made by forum owners and admins over his head based on development potential of the device.
Now that, my friends, seems to be a bit of a debatable point doesn't it lol?
That being said - does anyone remember how long it took the DS to get a dedicated forum?
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The scotsman messaged me back in response to a question I asked and his reply was that the decision is made by forum owners and admins over his head based on development potential of the device.
Now that, my friends, seems to be a bit of a debatable point doesn't it lol?
That being said - does anyone remember how long it took the DS to get a dedicated forum?
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At least he replied to you...
Lol I never got a reply
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@strapped, no offense, but that site seems kinda dead. Just like rootzwiki. Xda will create a thread for you guys eventually. I don't see the point in fragmenting the device across two sites. Keep at it
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Now that XDA isn't accommodating, creating a dev section for the device there might just be what that site needs to bring it back to life
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That's the only thing we can do. I've contacted quite a few mods, and they all told me the same thing. Post in the forum. Sorry, I tried but there's nothing else i can do to expedite the process. it seems that they will only open the forum when they see fit.
@strapped, no offense, but that site seems kinda dead. Just like rootzwiki. Xda will create a thread for you guys eventually. I don't see the point in fragmenting the device across two sites. Keep at it
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Well either quit *****ing about xda not making y'all a thread or try to go to sdx. A lot of guys I have dealt with are from sdx. But lemme guess its a popularity contest? Y'all are a trip wanting more then what's needed, and that's just a place to call home, I'm so glad I decided not to get that device as I see most of this community will be.
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Well either quit *****ing about xda not making y'all a thread or try to go to sdx. A lot of guys I have dealt with are from sdx. But lemme guess its a popularity contest? Y'all are a trip wanting more then what's needed, and that's just a place to call home, I'm so glad I decided not to get that device as I see most of this community will be.
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1. I'm not *****ing. I don't even have this device
2. It is a popularity contest. Xda has way more devs and exposure than the site you mentioned. Do I want more than what's needed? Of course. Who wouldn't?
3. Everyone buys a device for X reason. Avoiding a device because of the users is your choice. No one cares if you don't get this device
4. You mad bro?
Honestly I thought we were friends, but I guess not... last person I expected to come out like this was you. Unless my English went bad overnight, someone tell me I'm reading this wrong
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1. I'm not *****ing. I don't even have this device
2. It is a popularity contest. Xda has way more devs and exposure than the site you mentioned. Do I want more than what's needed? Of course. Who wouldn't?
3. Everyone buys a device for X reason. Avoiding a device because of the users is your choice. No one cares if you don't get this device
4. You mad bro?
Honestly I thought we were friends, but I guess not... last person I expected to come out like this was you. Unless my English went bad overnight, someone tell me I'm reading this wrong
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1. If not *****ing then why not go somewhere that could potentially give a home for that device....on a Samsung hacking site.
2. Popularity? Really, being popular has nothing at all to do with development. The best dev in the world could have this device and with no home, no one would ever know. So wouldn't you rather risk it? I personally post on themikmik sdx and xda.....why more advertisement
4. Is just a personal choice because of what I see in these threads.( device and slider related in general)
5. Mad nah not me, I'm getting the N4 as soon as I save my allowance ( joking )
You got my first morning post and yes I'm tired of sdx getting played. I learned so much from them guys and a few of them brought straight cm code into Sense for a first ever seen mod that everyone uses now. So I don't agree with xda being the holy grail of hackers and only thou can come here for their needs. Xda has really stopped caring for the average user and ONLY CARE ABOUT AD REVENUE and having the devices they feel will get them the most.
So I do wanna say "I'm sorry gtmaster303". Never meant to sound like the shot was at you when it was meant for xda. They need to see and realize their not the only place to come for hacks anymore, so stop treating us like kids and only giving us what XDA wants. If they were really for the user that thread would have been made as soon as something development related could have been posted
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"XDA-developers" is a forum made for developers. Having even a thousand active members on a specific device but only have a handful of developers won't make it eligible for its own dedicated forum. As much as we'd like to provide every device it's own forum we also consider the cluttering of the forum itself so we are just narrowing down the devices on which we could get more active development than a forum full of average user questions.
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This makes a whole lot of sense.
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1. If not *****ing then why not go somewhere that could potentially give a home for that device....on a Samsung hacking site.
2. Popularity? Really, being popular has nothing at all to do with development. The best dev in the world could have this device and with no home, no one would ever know. So wouldn't you rather risk it? I personally post on themikmik sdx and xda.....why more advertisement
4. Is just a personal choice because of what I see in these threads.( device and slider related in general)
5. Mad nah not me, I'm getting the N4 as soon as I save my allowance ( joking )
You got my first morning post and yes I'm tired of sdx getting played. I learned so much from them guys and a few of them brought straight cm code into Sense for a first ever seen mod that everyone uses now. So I don't agree with xda being the holy grail of hackers and only thou can come here for their needs. Xda has really stopped caring for the average user and ONLY CARE ABOUT AD REVENUE and having the devices they feel will get them the most.
So I do wanna say "I'm sorry gtmaster303". Never meant to sound like the shot was at you when it was meant for xda. They need to see and realize their not the only place to come for hacks anymore, so stop treating us like kids and only giving us what XDA wants. If they were really for the user that thread would have been made as soon as something development related could have been posted
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Thanks. Although I don't agree with you completely, it's good to know you didn't go rogue on me all of a sudden. If xda wants ad revenue, they would be creating ads for every device out. Although I don't understand why they won't readily create a forum for a device that clearly needs it. I don't agree with their logic. If there's even one dev for a device, a forum should be made. That's like saying "we'll only host the most popular of devices." By that token, popularity should not ensue. And under that jurisdiction, technically the Doubleshot shouldn't exist here either. Our community is quite small, even for a dev community. Most of the daily page hits xda gets from us are the same couple dozen people, some of which login multiple times per day (because they have no life, myself included )
But popularity of the site is still necessary. not that many people know about sdx. When they look for a new phone to buy (devs and modders alike) most will come to xda and poke around to see if the activity is up to their liking. If not, they'll probably search for a new device. Main reason why I haven't switched over to a Captivate Glide or a Droid 4...
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I must be weird then as I bought my device because
1. It was the closest thing to a G3 on the market and
2. I was (and still am) angry with and done with HTC after the lack of ICS on the doubleshot.
Oh and 3. My DS died;(
Nonetheless if we decide to move to that other site I'll have to get an android app for it lol.
I'm growing disgruntled with XDA lately but its kinda like a drug for me... and strapped... this device stock is just about equivalent to my ds when it died with regards to ease of use and overall response. I DO miss a trackpad and the home button lags just a bit... but that could be me having an aftermarket launcher with touchwiz frozen but not uninstalled.
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As im sure most of you all know, I have locked the Unofficial CM10 thread. It isnt because of one person or one event, but something that has been coming for a long time. I have been stressing myself with this build and making sure that everyone was happy and doing pretty much everything i could do, but it didnt seem to be enough. While i appreciate the feedback, it is very disappointing to release cm10.1 when pretty much no other phones have released it (due to the lack of source merged and changes necessary for jellybean 4.2.1) and have nothing but post after post of this doesnt work and this doesnt look right and this is running horrible and blah blah blah even after i made it absolutely clear time after time that there may be issues since there is alot of source changes that are missing. You would think that since i took the time to merge the needed changes and work tirelessly to make changes and get the changes merged into our device/kernel trees to get CM 10.1 built and IMO running nicely, there would be alot of positive feedback and alot of understanding from the community that there may be little issues here and there since not everything was completely merged in on the CM side, but that was not the case as everyone expects perfection right and nothing else. Anyways, with that said, Building CM10 was becoming more of a job instead of something fun that i loved to do. And believe me... I havent had nearly enough donations to be ok with considering this a job... Nor do i expect alot of donations and for those of you who have supported me, I greatly appreciate it. I WILL CONTINUE to build CM10 and posting new builds on my goo page found HERE. I will not however be unlocking the CM10 thread. So... If you like my work and like my builds, keep an eye on my goo page and download when you are notified there is an update. If you like the build, great... if not, flash something else.
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As im sure most of you all know, I have locked the Unofficial CM10 thread. It isnt because of one person or one event, but something that has been coming for a long time. I have been stressing myself with this build and making sure that everyone was happy and doing pretty much everything i could do, but it didnt seem to be enough. While i appreciate the feedback, it is very disappointing to release cm10.1 when pretty much no other phones have released it (due to the lack of source merged and changes necessary for jellybean 4.2.1) and have nothing but post after post of this doesnt work and this doesnt look right and this is running horrible and blah blah blah even after i made it absolutely clear time after time that there may be issues since there is alot of source changes that are missing. You would think that since i took the time to merge the needed changes and work tirelessly to make changes and get the changes merged into our device/kernel trees to get CM 10.1 built and IMO running nicely, there would be alot of positive feedback and alot of understanding from the community that there may be little issues here and there since not everything was completely merged in on the CM side, but that was not the case as everyone expects perfection right and nothing else. Anyways, with that said, Building CM10 was becoming more of a job instead of something fun that i loved to do. And believe me... I havent had nearly enough donations to be ok with considering this a job... Nor do i expect alot of donations and for those of you who have supported me, I greatly appreciate it. I WILL CONTINUE to build CM10 and posting new builds on my goo page found HERE. I will not however be unlocking the CM10 thread. So... If you like my work and like my builds, keep an eye on my goo page and download when you are notified there is an update. If you like the build, great... if not, flash something else.
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you have a charachter flaw. you're a people pleaser. once you get over that and become a true asshole you will be much happier in life.
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you have a charachter flaw. you're a people pleaser. once you get over that and become a true asshole you will be much happier in life.
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Lol! So true!
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Just wanted to put my two cents in...I've been an avid user of the roms from this site for quite awhile now & have never felt the need to register because any issues I've ever had,I've been able to rectify with some searching or have been on roms that have clearly stated they were beta's & expected to have flaws. That being said...after watching what happened on your infuse board, I just wanted to let you know the fact that you're continuing to develop & keep our phones updated with the best features gave me the first true reason to register so I could say thanks...
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Thank You.
I don't blame Scott for having the thread closed, not one bit.
And Dani is correct, Scott's character flaw is only that he's missing the "asshole" gene that some tend to have.
Now on to the good part...
I'm getting back into the swing of things as far as porting and development goes. My first attempt is going to be a nearly pure AOSP build using Aries repos and some Maguro/Takju code base, with parts from the most recent CM10.1 base. I have an idea of what I want to incorporate, but it should be light and clean, with a smooth interface.
Scott, I will be in touch with you shortly on this, as I need to finish and finalize my SDK installs and get everything going correctly for a first build.
Just checked Scotts goo link. Can I safely assume the development continues? If so hallelujah the infuse lives on.
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Most of the people that posted just wanted insight on their issues. Personally, I posted there because I felt I wasn't getting any response in the Q&A thread.
I think we should learn from the miscommunication.
One of the bigger problems we faced was that the build thread was the most responsive place to get an answer, and the bugs people had weren't clearly documented somewhere (you can't tell someone to search 500+ pages, find a bug, match it to their build, etc) so they could find and know NOT to post about it.
Going forward, maybe we can have:
Build thread- keep updated on the status of the build
Bug thread- to review / report the current build bugs
Q&A thread- how do I rotate the screen, why is this doing that, etc
Thoughts?
hattrickinc said:
Most of the people that posted just wanted insight on their issues. Personally, I posted there because I felt I wasn't getting any response in the Q&A thread.
I think we should learn from the miscommunication.
One of the bigger problems we faced was that the build thread was the most responsive place to get an answer, and the bugs people had weren't clearly documented somewhere (you can't tell someone to search 500+ pages, find a bug, match it to their build, etc) so they could find and know NOT to post about it.
Going forward, maybe we can have:
Build thread- keep updated on the status of the build
Bug thread- to review / report the current build bugs
Q&A thread- how do I rotate the screen, why is this doing that, etc
Thoughts?
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But Scott specifically asked multiple times not to post bugs on the 4.2/cm10.1 releases due to the fact that source is still being merged -cm said themselves that the 4.2 code would be buggy and that you probably wouldn't be able to build anything with it...for the most part Scott proved both of those wrong
However I do like the idea of the three threads
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openwheelracing said:
Just checked Scotts goo link. Can I safely assume the development continues? If so hallelujah the infuse lives on.
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scott.hart.bti said:
I WILL CONTINUE to build CM10 and posting new builds on my goo page found HERE. I will not however be unlocking the CM10 thread. So... If you like my work and like my builds, keep an eye on my goo page and download when you are notified there is an update. If you like the build, great... if not, flash something else.
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Yes, he will keep developing, but don't expect to see updates on this forum, which is a shame. His CM10 thread was actually the only reason I got on XDA.
Thanks for the update, Scott. Don't let the drama llamas get you down
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hattrickinc said:
Most of the people that posted just wanted insight on their issues. Personally, I posted there because I felt I wasn't getting any response in the Q&A thread.
I think we should learn from the miscommunication.
One of the bigger problems we faced was that the build thread was the most responsive place to get an answer, and the bugs people had weren't clearly documented somewhere (you can't tell someone to search 500+ pages, find a bug, match it to their build, etc) so they could find and know NOT to post about it.
Going forward, maybe we can have:
Build thread- keep updated on the status of the build
Bug thread- to review / report the current build bugs
Q&A thread- how do I rotate the screen, why is this doing that, etc
Thoughts?
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For the most part I agree with you. Its why I probably pissed a bunch of people off defending the late comers and those that just don't know about logcats and such.
However, it was stated multiple times by not just Scott but the more senior and knowledgeable members that the 4.2 was going to have problems.
I agree searching through 1000 plus posts can be a daunting task and maybe I just don't have a life but I've done it for every ICS/JB rom I've flashed.. But I was there at the beginning of that development so it made it easier. But you didn't have to read more than 2 pages between warnings for the 4.2.
I'm on Scott's side on this one.
If nothing else click on the op's profile and just read all their posts.
Personally I think only devs should be allowed to post on a dev thread but I don't see that happening anytime soon.
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I agree. I think there should be a minimum post count of 100 and a requirement to agree to a separate 'contract' to post in dev. threads. I read dev threads to find out what's going on in development not the rubbish that appears in most dev threads. The infuse forums have been fairly tolerant of this kind of thing. Other forums on xda, much less so.
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Changelog
I think another part of the problem is that very little actual development discussion happens here. It seems that people release their stuff here, and respond to bug reports, but that's about it. You can learn a lot about Linux by reading the archives of the Linux Kernel Mailing List (LKML). It's not quite the same situation here, learning about android is much harder (i have yet to find an android equivalent for the LKML)
Anyway, Thanks for continuing development! Will you be posting a change log between releases? I just like to know what I'm flashing ahead of time
Thanks,
woody
Scotts just released CM10.1 on goomanager 12/10 build go check it out
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Scott,
Glad to see you will be still be developing. Will there be some type of change log somewhere that we can view? I agree with some of the past. 500 pages of posts to read/search is alot. possibly a better brake down would have keep people posting in the correct places. Also with the 4.2 merge MY opionion would have been to make a separate thread as the last 4.1.2 was stable and really usable as its still my current daily. If the items arent merged maybe it isnt a good idea to even make a realease unless its to a few beta testers. That way 100s of people dont whine and complain about known or dumb issues.
Either way keeep up the good work.
Not sure how it would be accomplished, but a good idea would be to remove all posts from the cm10 thread and only scott could post in it (updates/changelog).
I have no idea how feasible that would be though.
Many thanks to scott
Hi scott, I never felt the need to comment in your thread because I never had any problems with your ROM.
But now I feel the need to comment here to express my gratitude for all the hard work that you have put into this ROM.
Your ROM is the first one that I tried, and also the best one I've seen/used. I'm VERY glad that you will continue your work for the Infuse.
Again, I thank you for your work, and I will be looking forward to future updates!
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His CM10 thread was actually the only reason I got on XDA.
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This^
hovin1988 said:
Hi scott, I never felt the need to comment in your thread because I never had any problems with your ROM.
But now I feel the need to comment here to express my gratitude for all the hard work that you have put into this ROM.
Your ROM is the first one that I tried, and also the best one I've seen/used. I'm VERY glad that you will continue your work for the Infuse.
Again, I thank you for your work, and I will be looking forward to future updates!
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I generally just read through the thread reading peoples issues if i ran into one rather than post. Issues were always sorted out if i kept reading. But thanks for all your hard work in creating roms, I know i'd be really bad off without them :good:
I think the communication and forum issues are simply a result of using a forum for "developer collaboration". Then to top it off, many are using tapatalk, which has the most useless search feature ever. I've heard the argument that a proper browser should be used, but many just won't.
As long as a forum is used for xda development, it will continue to be more like a ROM forum than anything else intended without ridiculous amounts of moderation (even judicious use of temp bans without warning).
Forums are good for arguing lol. Bugtrackers are good for tracking bugs, especially since they are easy to police. If you want feedback as well, make a special category for that. Duplicates and invalid reports can be easily identified and marked as such. For all other forums(general, q&a, accessories, etc.) a forum makes sense to me. For the development forum, a forum, IMO, makes little sense.
If the forum format is used in order to foster community, fine. You can expect a lot of drama, arguing, complaining, and everything else that goes along with it.
Just my opinion. I could be completely wrong.
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