Differences - EVO Shift 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

So ive been curious cause i see alot of people talking about when they root they get a new launcher then uninstall sense. What are the pros and cons of it? Does the phone run the launcher better when sense is removed? Once removed you cant bring back unless you reflash?
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Are you talking about flashing an AOSP rom after rooting or running a sense based rom without the sense launcher? If your talking about the latter, going senseless basically allows you to retain the main functionality of sense so everything should work like it did out of the box minus the bloat of the sense launcher (if you consider it bloat that is). The reason to uninstall the launcher in that case would be if you don't plan on using it at all, then you can be sure its not running in the background and such for memory savings
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For me, I get better functionality by using ADW launcher instead of Sense. I can theme it, change how many screens, set up groups in the app drawer, etc. Sense has limited options in that way.
As for speed, I think the phone runs a little smoother but it's not a huge leap for me while running NewSense. Other reasons for removing Sense is I get the internal memory space back as NewSense is a big ROM and if not careful, I get the low internal memory warning and the phone loads faster in general.
AOSP isn't as pretty as Sense(though completely customizable, only limited to the amount of time you want to spend messing around with it) but runs faster, better battery life, etc. though you can have issues with the ROM not playing nice with your hardware. Just moved back to Sense from AOSP and Sense's look is much smoother, stuff fits better, overall look is more polished. It's all personal preference, though.

Everyone one says aosp is better on battery life but that's not always true. I barely get half a day on battery running aosp and on sense based roms I always get 18+ hours
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YoungCorruptionV2.0 said:
Everyone one says aosp is better on battery life but that's not always true. I barely get half a day on battery running aosp and on sense based roms I always get 18+ hours
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Good point, everyone's phone seems to be different. For me, I would get 24hrs plus on AOSP and only 18hrs or so on Sense with heavy usage.

Every Rom runs slightly different on, every device. Almost never are two devices the same. That's why you have to experiment a bit. Find out what runs best for you, on your device, with the way you use it on daily bases. Also it takes a bit of time. You cannot just run a Rom for a few hours after you flash it, and then make your decision. It will usually take at least a half a day, to a full day before a Rom settles in. Then and only then will you be able to evaluate it. That's why it takes so long before a Rom is released, you have to run it for a few days before you really know if issues are going to arise or not. So the best thing to do is Flash a Rom you think you might like, and run it as you normally would for a few days. I personally take notes on every Rom I flash. That way I have something to refer to later on.

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Rooting and battery life

Hey guys,i just got my glacier the other day, and I am enjoying it quite a bit. I was just wondering if I should root. Actually i will root, but idk if ishould flash cm7 or just keep sense. Cause I like some of the features on sense, such as the favorite contacts stuff and the fact that app compatibility is not lost.
Do you guys think flashing cm7 is a good idea? Also, by how much does it increase battery life and performance?
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Your basic question is about personal preference. There are those who prefer Sense, and those who don't. CM7 is not yet in Beta, though I'm quite happy with it as an end user. There is nothing I miss in the stock ROM, and there are many features of CM and Gingerbread that I would miss if I returned to stock. I also get better battery life and higher performance, but those are not the prime motivation for sticking with CM.
HTC Glacier running CM7 #31
Ok, thank you. I will go ahead and flash it. I can always go back to sense. Mostly I was just wondering about the battery life and performance improvements.
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for me, flashing CM7 from stock more than doubled my battery life (~10hrs to ~26hrs) and performance-wise...runs a lot faster and smoother. Im using Launcher Pro instead of ADW that comes with it, better performance. I do miss the easy contact syncing with other apps like facebook, but I can do without it. Give it a shot when you get rooted, just make sure you do a backup of stock so you can revert back if you dont like CM7. You can also try out Iced Glacier, pretty much a stock sense ROM without all the bloatware
What I don't like about Sense:
The music app doesn't auto landscape.
The contacts app doesn't auto landscape.
Other than that, Sense is pretty stable.
I'm hesitent to jump on CM7 nightlies because with every build, everyone says it's stable and great but they still report an issue. "Oh it's stable and awesome! But my screen is upside down and my wifi doesn't work." It's like, what? How is that stable?
I'm on Evil's Z 0.7.0 rom and this thing is SOLID. The performance and battery life are amazing, it's close to stock and it looks great. G2's rom should've been on this thing from the start.
I'm loving CM7 and the improved battery life, the only thing I miss from sense is the camera app.
Personally I like both. I had CM7 for a while, its good! Then I started to miss sense and I flashed it back. Certain things I like about the stock rom that isn't on vanilla.

So many choices! Which ROM are YOU using and why?

I'm torn between all these choices. Please tell me what you're using and why.
Make sure to mention battery life, performance, and useful features please.
Also, how does the rom mount the sd internal and external sd? Stock - as in there's a folder called _ExternalSD, or like how CM7 does it, using External as primary and having the emmc folder as secondary?
Trigger 2x...because I can make my clock blue to match my Steel Blue CM7 theme, lol. No, seriously...that's why.
Plain CM7 rom. The ability to have a relatively stock look, hide the clock and change the battery indicator to a percentage rather than just an icon.
I used to use Bionix2, but it still suffered instability issues (random reboots) etc.
Only complaint between both roms is that the pictures in my contact screen have a small little white bar underneath with thre little suqare dots which kind of irritates me.
I dislike the market that comes with CM7, but it seems that's the new stock look. (Which blows.)
I prioritize customization and battery life, and this rom gives me both.
CM7 -- Most stable and stock looking. I also like the fact that everything is customizable and nothing looks "cheap". Also battery life is important to me. If a rom drains my battery it's pretty much nixed.
I use CM7 because it just works great.
However I've been liking MIUI. I have Nandroids of both that I flip back and forth, and update where possible. So I have 2 current builds of Miui and CM7 that I run.
MIUI isn't quite where it needs to be for a final daily driver but with that I had, I made it work. The downfall was APN Cell data was hit or miss requiring resets, it would get blazing hot, the battery drain was horrible. I did 3 full charges through the day just to get by (morning wake up, around 2pm, around 7pm, then bed). I was hammering it though but shouldn't drain that bad. I did install a MIUI Digital Clock Widget which I'm thinking is causing the extra battery drain. Next time I boot into it I'll remove it and see where it gets me.
MIUI is ascetically pleasing to the eye. It is very pretty and fun to use. I love the dialer and the big icons and the Settings menu colors.
MIUI is based off CM7 so eventually it will be ironed out where it is just as stable but until then it is just my play OS.
I have just found out that I can replace Launcher Pro with Go Launcher or ADW EX finally because I found a LP Widget replacement called "Colorized Widgets". They work and feel just like the LP versions but work on GO and ADW.
So now I'm running CM7 with the Captivated theme, GO Launcher with a "Blue Theme" that has iPhone/MIUI icons and a glass look, and Colorized Widgets with the "Transparent" theme.
MIUI, I'm running Stock Launcher, Colorized Widgets, iTap Keyboard (iPhone themed Gingerbread keyboard).
Nice Setup.
So everyone using CM7 are you using RC1 or nightlies? Is there even a big difference? Would it be worth it to do the nightlies?
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I use CM7 because it just works great.
However I've been liking MIUI. I have Nandroids of both that I flip back and forth, and update where possible. So I have 2 current builds of Miui and CM7 that I run.
MIUI isn't quite where it needs to be for a final daily driver but with that I had, I made it work. The downfall was APN Cell data was hit or miss requiring resets, it would get blazing hot, the battery drain was horrible. I did 3 full charges through the day just to get by (morning wake up, around 2pm, around 7pm, then bed). I was hammering it though but shouldn't drain that bad. I did install a MIUI Digital Clock Widget which I'm thinking is causing the extra battery drain. Next time I boot into it I'll remove it and see where it gets me.
MIUI is ascetically pleasing to the eye. It is very pretty and fun to use. I love the dialer and the big icons and the Settings menu colors.
MIUI is based off CM7 so eventually it will be ironed out where it is just as stable but until then it is just my play OS.
I have just found out that I can replace Launcher Pro with Go Launcher or ADW EX finally because I found a LP Widget replacement called "Colorized Widgets". They work and feel just like the LP versions but work on GO and ADW.
So now I'm running CM7 with the Captivated theme, GO Launcher with a "Blue Theme" that has iPhone/MIUI icons and a glass look, and Colorized Widgets with the "Transparent" theme.
MIUI, I'm running Stock Launcher, Colorized Widgets, iTap Keyboard (iPhone themed Gingerbread keyboard).
Nice Setup.
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Damn, you should setup my g2x! Lol I'm using miui, stock with faux kernel and xboarders rom ...I also switch between all three...miui is my favorite to play with, stock is the best for GPS, xboarders has bits of cm7 and stock...so basically im loving my g2x, even with all its bugs!
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player911 said:
... MIUI is based off CM7 so ...
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Really?
You sure about that?
I always thought that MIUI was custom done by some Chinese developers?
Flashing each stock CM7 nightly has been incredibly stable for me and the battery usage for the past couple of weeks has been amazing. Then again, I'm not overly hard on my phone by using the screen a lot like some folks do, I'm more prone to using my Transformer for gaming and general web browsing than I am my phone. I've never had any major bugs on CM7, but most of the general bugs that people complain about being on the phone are also completely foreign to me. I've also never used a fully stock G2x rom, my phone was shipped to me by another XDA user with a custom rom based on the GB release that I replaced with CM7 within a day or two, so my experience with with stock issues is absolutely non-existent.
I use CM7 because it was far less buggy than every other rom I tried in the dev section, and I used an iPhone against my will for almost a month, so MIUI is hideous to me by now aside from the bugs it still has. My first Android device was a first week release G1 and I still love stock Android. I've never been a fan of most of the UI overlays that vendors make (althogh the newer Sense is nice and some of the Touchwiz for 3.0 features are tempting) and I prefer to be allowed the choice of what I want my phone to look like. CM7 is the most stock rom I've seen that's also very stable. Also, I enjoy reading the CM changelogs. I'm trying to relearn how to code again and the diffs that the CM changelogs give are very enlightening and enjoyable to read.
I usually keep my phone underclocked a bit to 800Mhz max and screen off is underclocked quite a bit more. When I'm at home I leave data off and WiFi on (goes to sleep when the screen is off) and the battery can last for almost 3 days that way without hardly moving at all. When on data I get 8-20 hours or more depending on how much I'm traveling (switching towers drains battery) and how much I have the screen on. On full blast the shortest I've had the battery run was 4-6 hours of playing a game like Zenonia 3 without stopping. Using WiFi tethering the battery usually lasts 4-8 hours depending on how much I tax the phone's modem. Even underclocked the phone performs exceptionally well and I've never had any slowdowns during games or programs. I haven't had to reboot my phone, pull the battery, any random reboots or shutdowns, no APN issues, anything. Then again, I do reboot my phone every time a nightly is released which can be several days in a row or a lull for a few days at a time. I haven't had much luck running custom kernels but I haven't tried much other than faux's UV kernel so that's not much to go on. The stock CM7 kernel is just too stable for me for me to feel like changing it much.
I can only say that now that an official 2.3 release is out for this phone that roms will only get more interesting and hopefully more stable than they already are.. It already seems that there is a glut of developer interest in this device. Just one look in the development subforum shows the better part of a dozen choices in roms and much more activity than many places I've visited on XDA for a while.
I used CM7 if I had a second G2X to put other roms on.
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Cm7 nightlies ftw..... Mounts to emmc bit men don't bother me... stable rom and good battery life..
Eagle blood 2.3.5. The most stable and coolest one I've tried.
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OrganizedFellow said:
Really?
You sure about that?
I always thought that MIUI was custom done by some Chinese developers?
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Yes, it's 100% based off cm7 source. (If you don't believe me, go to their forums, and look. Right now they are caught up to about nightly 85 I believe.)
JaiaV said:
Flashing each stock CM7 nightly has been incredibly stable for me and the battery usage for the past couple of weeks has been amazing. Then again, I'm not overly hard on my phone by using the screen a lot like some folks do, I'm more prone to using my Transformer for gaming and general web browsing than I am my phone. I've never had any major bugs on CM7, but most of the general bugs that people complain about being on the phone are also completely foreign to me. I've also never used a fully stock G2x rom, my phone was shipped to me by another XDA user with a custom rom based on the GB release that I replaced with CM7 within a day or two, so my experience with with stock issues is absolutely non-existent.
I use CM7 because it was far less buggy than every other rom I tried in the dev section, and I used an iPhone against my will for almost a month, so MIUI is hideous to me by now aside from the bugs it still has. My first Android device was a first week release G1 and I still love stock Android. I've never been a fan of most of the UI overlays that vendors make (althogh the newer Sense is nice and some of the Touchwiz for 3.0 features are tempting) and I prefer to be allowed the choice of what I want my phone to look like. CM7 is the most stock rom I've seen that's also very stable. Also, I enjoy reading the CM changelogs. I'm trying to relearn how to code again and the diffs that the CM changelogs give are very enlightening and enjoyable to read.
I usually keep my phone underclocked a bit to 800Mhz max and screen off is underclocked quite a bit more. When I'm at home I leave data off and WiFi on (goes to sleep when the screen is off) and the battery can last for almost 3 days that way without hardly moving at all. When on data I get 8-20 hours or more depending on how much I'm traveling (switching towers drains battery) and how much I have the screen on. On full blast the shortest I've had the battery run was 4-6 hours of playing a game like Zenonia 3 without stopping. Using WiFi tethering the battery usually lasts 4-8 hours depending on how much I tax the phone's modem. Even underclocked the phone performs exceptionally well and I've never had any slowdowns during games or programs. I haven't had to reboot my phone, pull the battery, any random reboots or shutdowns, no APN issues, anything. Then again, I do reboot my phone every time a nightly is released which can be several days in a row or a lull for a few days at a time. I haven't had much luck running custom kernels but I haven't tried much other than faux's UV kernel so that's not much to go on. The stock CM7 kernel is just too stable for me for me to feel like changing it much.
I can only say that now that an official 2.3 release is out for this phone that roms will only get more interesting and hopefully more stable than they already are.. It already seems that there is a glut of developer interest in this device. Just one look in the development subforum shows the better part of a dozen choices in roms and much more activity than many places I've visited on XDA for a while.
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Wow, that was very detailed! Thanks. Quick question, what are some main advantages of the nightlies vs RC1?
EaglesBlood CM7 + Faux's OC/UV kernel + launcherpro
it's fast, it's stable, has the notification power widget, runs netflix.. nothing more i could ask for
except maybe the LG cam.. but either that or the notification widget.. i chose the widget
E: from the post above I underclocked it to 800mhz.. will see how much battery life i get so far no noticeable slowdown
Trigger 2x
It's been the most stable and feature full experience on my G2x. I've been using it since build 11, I just flashed build 14, and am loving it.
MIUI/cm7 practically the same, love all the features.
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Wow, that was very detailed! Thanks. Quick question, what are some main advantages of the nightlies vs RC1?
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The nightlies are more up to date and actually more stable than the RC. I'm running 93 right now and it's been going smooth all night.
I'm still rockin froyo with Fauxs kernel on ultimate rom.
Those plus adw launcher equal silk. Lol
I would go with GB but im gonna wait a while till all this baseband and camera app get ported by the guru's. Still can't believe they dumbed down the functionality of the camera on an update lol
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Xboarders 2.3.3 tweaked because I like everything to work... cough.a2dp.cough
And the guy updates like a madman
Runs like hot knife thru butter and battery life is about 17 hrs

CM7,RCMix 3.5,TripnMiui,InsertCoin, ArHD

So out of those 5 which do you guys recommend: battery wise, speed wise, simplicity, and usefulness
Also, of the sense roms which are protected from htc's security logging and if they aren't how would i go about fixing the problem without removing sense completely
And any aosp roms besides cm7 that you recommend: battery wise, speed wise, simplicity, and usefulness
And any other miui roms besides Trips that you recommend: battery wise, speed wise, simplicity, and usefulness
Also what is the best kernel: battery wise, performance wise
(THIS IS NOT A QUESTION BUT AN OPEN THREAD FOR FINDING INFORMATION BASED ON PEOPLE'S EXPERIENCES)
I have tried most of the roms but keep going back to cm7.
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Yeah...I really thought I was going to love being back on MIUI with TripN but damn. CM7 is just too good. I tried using MIUI 3 times now and just had to go back to CM7 each time.
Tried all of them. I can honestly say cm7 is far superior in every category you mentioned.
Melvins Beast rom w/No Sense!!
CM7 of course
for what you listed, CM7 is what you're looking for
InserCoin, if u like Sense, otherwise CM7
Your decision.
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So out of those 5 which do you guys recommend: battery wise, speed wise, simplicity, and usefulness
Also, of the sense roms which are protected from htc's security logging and if they aren't how would i go about fixing the problem without removing sense completely
Leedroid doesn't have the logging, neither does InsertCoin. I checked.
And any aosp roms besides cm7 that you recommend: battery wise, speed wise, simplicity, and usefulness
No
And any other miui roms besides Trips that you recommend: battery wise, speed wise, simplicity, and usefulness
You can find out yourself at modaco
Also what is the best kernel: battery wise, performance wise
Why don't u try some and get back to us. Contribute a little bit? LEEDROiDs kernel is great. Faux kernel always having issues. CM7 kernel is good. Stock is good
(THIS IS NOT A QUESTION BUT AN OPEN THREAD FOR FINDING INFORMATION BASED ON PEOPLE'S EXPERIENCES)
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Lol the more I read this the more it bothers me.
Of the four requirements you listed two of them are subjective (simplicity, usefulness). If you're gonna call this an open discussion, frame the questions so we can compare facts against facts, rather than opinions.
Like what do u mean by usefulness? CM7 is useless to me since I hate the keyboard and camera. But based on the criteria u set, it's very fast with decent battery. Simplicity? Di u mean which Rom has the least settings so u can't make any changes to optimize the phone to suit your needs?
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Cm7 + faux kernel. As simple or complex as you like to make it, great battery life, no sense logging, and every interaction responds notably fatter than sense. Camera lacks a little its true but its good enough for now until they finish fixing it.
Remember also its an alpha release so not quite finished yet but its still very stable for daily use.s
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Tried ARHD, Insertcoin and CM7 v7.
First of all, I use Go Launcher EX (over Sense and ADW).
The fastest was ARHD 3.1.1 with built-in kernel. CF-bench scored higher than SGS2 and all 3d games worked perfectly, but battery life was weak. 100% to zero in 1,5 hour when using with screen on (stock battery).
Then I tried CM7 v7. Go Launcher worked perfect, like on other mentioned roms. But, CF-bench score was really low, much lower than Sensation should have according to CF-bench graphs. You probably say, that I shouldn't care about benchmarks. Yes, it's true, but... CM7 was also weak in games! I tested Let's Golf 2 on all these roms, and on CM7 it was almost unplayable. FPS was good, but there were many lags and I couldn't properly hit the ball. And there is no Sense camera and dialer and weak FB integration. So far - CM7 not for me.
Now I use InsertCoin 2.5.5-2 + bricked kernel and it's perfect. Battery life is very good, all games works perfect, no lags in Let's Golf 2, 3d issue games (f.e. Cordy, Roboto), also work great with no issues. Everything is very smooth and I'm not going to change it for a long time (maybe for ICS if it will be on Sensations).
Point blank coredroid or rcmix3.5 both are different than all these roms good battery and everything to me if you want cm7 just go buy a nexus s the new one all stock android and faster than cm7
all of them...
Tried ARHD and for a sense rom it was nearly flawless except for the battery life (i'd carry a second battery to get thru a day). Then I tried InsertCoin and it was everything i wanted it to be. Super speedy, rock solid and had all of the extras i would usually add in anyway like the advanced power menu and quick settings. But alas it was a sense rom and I wanted to unleash the horsepower my HTC Sensation is packing, so I tried the CM7 <i>ALPHA</i> and i knew i was home. There isn't even a nightly build out yet for my phone and i cannot see any reason i would ever switch to another! even in alpha it is fast, stable, powerful, theme-able, and my daily driver! I say try a few before you choose because if you dont likke it... just flash another. Happy Flashing.
Thanks to kmobs for the selfKANGs!!
CM7 + Tiamat + GO Launcher EX
Came from the Nexus One, which I lost . I was running CM7, with Tiamat kernel, and GO launcher EX. I tried several Sense ROMs and several nonsense ROMs. Ending up going back to my Nexus setup. Plenty fast, all the features I want, battery life so far has been excellent. I don't like Sense.
nrvnqsrxk,
I understand that simplicity and usefulness are conflicting and confusing for some people so let me clarify it a bit more,
by simplicity I meant: user friendly-ness
by usefulness I meant: handy, basically on the opposite spectrum of simplicity
Each ROM could be clarified as either simple or more useful
For example, CM7 is useful but Sense is simpler, respectively of course
Does that help?
Also, since you accused me of not contributing, although I spent the time writing the thread and splitting it into categories, I will say this about the kernels, the faux kernel in my opinion is not very good on battery life but the bricked kernel is, in my opinion, stupendously fast when scrolling through the Sense homescreens and also good on battery life. With these opinions Sensation owners can then make their decision based on people's experience, therefore I do not need to frame the question you can if you would like and that is why it is called an open discussion.
dr.m0x how about battery life compared to android revolution HD 3.6.7 ?, the CM7 doesn't have sense i believe!!
lagging ? i never experienced lagging from neither stock neither the ARH
usefulness ? are you serious ? its an android, you can change it looks add launchers, customize it looks and all your daily apps will work on what so ever rom
it is YOU who make it useful
Insert Coin no other choice. Been with it since the start
maff's SENSE STOCK OPTIMIZED ROM is BETTER than ARHD in Battery LIFE and SNAPPY AS HELL. ALMOST LIKE CM7 no DELAY. Makes my friends Razor look like made in china i swear (the software atleast)
CM7 is the best rom in terms of my preferences.
CM9 (ICS) is just around the corner too.
Rc3d
No doubt about it specially since the new version 1.0
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Why is it that when I'm using an aosp ROM whether it is carbon ROM or liquid smooth, the screen on time averages 1.5 hours, but when I use touch wiz based clean ROM it is 2.5 hours? Is it because of kernels or just that aosp isn't natively from Samsung?
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Why is it that when I'm using an aosp ROM whether it is carbon ROM or liquid smooth, the screen on time averages 1.5 hours, but when I use touch wiz based clean ROM it is 2.5 hours? Is it because of kernels or just that aosp isn't natively from Samsung?
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That's a tough one to figure out, and I'm not sure I understand completely... are you saying that you have calculated/measured your screen-on time to be exactly the same on both AOSP and TW (using a stop watch/clock, etc) and yet it is giving you this discrepancy? If you are measuring your screen-on time outside of the phone's own timer, and this is happening, it would be the first I've heard of it.
If you're not measuring on your own and you just happened to notice a difference in your averages, well .... Maybe it's because AOSP runs (IMHO) faster, cleaner, and with less obstacles than TW causing you to need less screen time? haha ...
Let us know though if you are doing this as a controlled experiment - I'm always interested running my own tests. :good:
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That's a tough one to figure out, and I'm not sure I understand completely... are you saying that you have calculated/measured your screen-on time to be exactly the same on both AOSP and TW (using a stop watch/clock, etc) and yet it is giving you this discrepancy? If you are measuring your screen-on time outside of the phone's own timer, and this is happening, it would be the first I've heard of it.
If you're not measuring on your own and you just happened to notice a difference in your averages, well .... Maybe it's because AOSP runs (IMHO) faster, cleaner, and with less obstacles than TW causing you to need less screen time? haha ...
Let us know though if you are doing this as a controlled experiment - I'm always interested running my own tests. :good:
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Yeah, those milliseconds sure do add up to a lot of saved time. Seems logical that aosp is sooo fast that you that you don't need to use your phone for an hour because of it.
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theresin said:
That's a tough one to figure out, and I'm not sure I understand completely... are you saying that you have calculated/measured your screen-on time to be exactly the same on both AOSP and TW (using a stop watch/clock, etc) and yet it is giving you this discrepancy? If you are measuring your screen-on time outside of the phone's own timer, and this is happening, it would be the first I've heard of it.
If you're not measuring on your own and you just happened to notice a difference in your averages, well .... Maybe it's because AOSP runs (IMHO) faster, cleaner, and with less obstacles than TW causing you to need less screen time? haha ...
Let us know though if you are doing this as a controlled experiment - I'm always interested running my own tests. :good:
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Oh, no, I'm talking about the battery life, not discrepancies. I checked in the battery tab of settings, display, then it says screen on time. I have used each rom for about 3 weeks, and thats the amount I noticed. In short, I get less battery life on aosp.
Correct me if I'm wrong but the main things that sure battery are screen and cell connectivity and then there are a million other smaller aspects.
Screen should really not make a difference if brightness is the same.
Radios will make a difference. I believe the different radios use different ....stuff.... on aosp therefore drawing more power.
Also tw vs aosp kernels are very different.
Keep in mine that touch wiz is ment for the gs3.
The gs3 and touchwiz are built as one. Physical and virtual (software.)
Clean ROM is a striped and slim version of the OFFICIAL software.
There is no real way to fix this other then to just go with it.
Hopefully I am correct, but I'm not 100%
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mentose457 said:
Yeah, those milliseconds sure do add up to a lot of saved time. Seems logical that aosp is sooo fast that you that you don't need to use your phone for an hour because of it.
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That's why it was a joke.
barrackOBAMA said:
Correct me if I'm wrong but the main things that sure battery are screen and cell connectivity and then there are a million other smaller aspects.
Screen should really not make a difference if brightness is the same.
Radios will make a difference. I believe the different radios use different ....stuff.... on aosp therefore drawing more power.
Also tw vs aosp kernels are very different.
Keep in mine that touch wiz is ment for the gs3.
The gs3 and touchwiz are built as one. Physical and virtual (software.)
Clean ROM is a striped and slim version of the OFFICIAL software.
There is no real way to fix this other then to just go with it.
Hopefully I am correct, but I'm not 100%
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You are correct. The radio will be the drain here assuming screen brightness and use remains similar. AOSP ROMs require a RIL workaround to use the radio (long story, Samsung/Qualcomm owns exclusive rights to the RIL) and that's why AOSP signals aren't usually as strong ... and we all know what a weak signal can do to a battery. Of course everyone's GS3 is different, but I've experienced the best battery life using the stock kernels and de-bloated TW ROMs.

are AOSP/CM roms on par with the Sense 4 roms (like ViperXL, etc.)

hi guys,
I have been running ViperXL for the past one year. However, I have been longing for stock android for a long time. However, the last time I tried CM/AOKP (couple of months back) - the feature set was not on par with Sense 4 ROMS - mainly around driver issues.
For e.g. there were bluetooth problems, HDMI/MHL did not work, battery life was much worse, etc. I was wondering if that has gotten fixed and original android roms are on par with the Sense based roms.
FWIW - I'm not actually worried about the power features like some notification bars, etc. but basically fundamental performance and functional comparisons.
For a long time, AOSP ROMs have had as many/more features than Sense ROMs and everything works just fine. The battery life isn't quite as good, but it's acceptable.
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sandys1 said:
hi guys,
I have been running ViperXL for the past one year. However, I have been longing for stock android for a long time. However, the last time I tried CM/AOKP (couple of months back) - the feature set was not on par with Sense 4 ROMS - mainly around driver issues.
For e.g. there were bluetooth problems, HDMI/MHL did not work, battery life was much worse, etc. I was wondering if that has gotten fixed and original android roms are on par with the Sense based roms.
FWIW - I'm not actually worried about the power features like some notification bars, etc. but basically fundamental performance and functional comparisons.
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You may try the stable cm10 rom. Its good.
Cm10.1 is good, plus has a new 3.4 kernel, which in your case may not be suitable, unless few little bugs don't bother you a lot.
You can also try sense 5 roms, but then again, no Bluetooth as of now.
Try Rebeless rom. Its based on stock sense4+ but gives you an Aosp feeling.
I hope this helped. :good:
I keep coming back to sense in the end.. Little bugs here and there and the battery life is usually pretty bad. Radio problems are huge. On my college campus many of the rooms have 0 reception, forcing me to toggle airplane mode when I got out of class before I could reconnect to the towers. Caused me to miss a lot of texts and calls...
benyandthejets said:
I keep coming back to sense in the end.. Little bugs here and there and the battery life is usually pretty bad. Radio problems are huge. On my college campus many of the rooms have 0 reception, forcing me to toggle airplane mode when I got out of class before I could reconnect to the towers. Caused me to miss a lot of texts and calls...
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thats what I'm worried about - my phone is work critical to me. I need to be available on phone, chat, email all the time. Which is why I'm concerned that there is no real replacement for Sense based ROMs in terms of stability and performance. Extra features ? maybe - but that's not what I need.
If you really want to use aosp you could try one of the 4.1 ROMs. In particular, the King Kang ROM by Rohan is awesome. It never missed a beat for me, and had the great customization that aosp offers.
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IMHO if your phone is used for work you shouldn't even root it... That's a huge security risk for any data kept on your phone.
I would have a separate phone for work and for rooting.
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Not only did I root it, but I was part of the bounty that originally rooted it !
I'm not worried about blowing out my phone - that i can replace.
I just don't want a non performing phone as my daily driver.
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timmaaa said:
If you really want to use aosp you could try one of the 4.1 ROMs. In particular, the King Kang ROM by Rohan is awesome. It never missed a beat for me, and had the great customization that aosp offers.
How much battery life are you getting? Any problems with HDMI out (need it for presentations)
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I'm not running that ROM anymore, but from memory depending on use the overall battery time could be towards 20 hours or so. And I think I usually got between 2-3 hours screen on time. Always on mobile data, no WiFi.
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Personally I found that battery life was close to double on sense based Roms.
Overall sense Roms feel smoother, and aosp Roms feel faster.
YMMV.
I usually run sense based (viperxl) but get bored and will try aosp randomly . always go back to viper though
Edit: if your looking for a daily driver I would go sense based for sure.
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The_Zodiac said:
Personally I found that battery life was close to double on sense based Roms.
Overall sense Roms feel smoother, and aosp Roms feel faster.
YMMV.
I usually run sense based (viperxl) but get bored and will try aosp randomly . always go back to viper though
Edit: if your looking for a daily driver I would go sense based for sure.
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What kind of battery life do you get on sense? I can push 3 days on aokp
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mirGantrophy said:
What kind of battery life do you get on sense? I can push 3 days on aokp
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roughly 5 hours screen on and 20+ hours standbye.
but I would rate my usage as medium-heavy.
aosp based. (aokp included) usually get about half of that
But yeah with less usage/screen time my battery would probably last a long time

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