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Loving the work that's been done here so far... but after downloading and installing not one, but two different 200+MB-sized roms listed as non-sense when they're really sense-based ROMS that have had sense elements stripped from them, can we be a little more definitive in the composure of these custom ROMs?
I need a TRULY non-sense ROM (vanilla based). Sense-based ROMs don't work with the WiiRemote Controller IME, and neither of these "non-sense" ROMs in this forum work with it, because they still lack the element that Vanilla android has but Sense ROMs exclude (can not recall the exact element but still).
I think it'd be reasonable to list Sense-stripped ROMs as "de-sensed" and truly non-sense ROMS (built off of Vanilla Android) "non-sense".
I admit, Most of you on here compiling these roms know a whole lot more about this than I do, so I could be mistaken about something (in which case I'll stand corrected). I'm just getting tired of taking the time that it does to download and install these seemingly gigantic ROMs (as I recall a truly Vanilla ROM is usually only 40-50MBs at most, not 200+) to find out they're not ultimately doing what I need them to.
One of, if not the utmost reason I've rooted my MyTouch4gS is to utilize the WiiRemoteController IME for use with the emulators. I might just have to wait until Cyanogenmod jumps on board with this phone to get a truly vanilla-based ROM ::shrugs:: who knows. If someone out there knows how to accomplish this, I anxiously await your efforts. Thanks =)
---edited my original post, I can see how the one instance of my use of the word "claim" might make the frustrations of my original post offend them, though no name calling or finger pointing was intended, my bad---
It looks like someone is trying to get his post count up. Lmfao. LEARN HOW TO READ THE TITLE OF OP. If you cant read thats NOT the devs fault. My title is clear as day. Weird how your the only one complaining of an issue thats not even an issue. I saw a commercial for hooked on phonics. Its on sell for 49.99 plus tax. Might be a great investment for you. Rather then bash developers for your own inability to read titles and ops I would get that book.
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Oh and true vanilla aosp roms is not 40-50mb its 80-110mb. Just fyi.
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We didn't make an error..I'm sure undead would agree ” senseless” means removing the htc overlay that is put over android....launcher, lock screen, widgets and other bloatware no typical user ..uses or understands....a ” senseless rom is just what we provided ....now let me clarify ...if it was a ” vanilla” rom the word ”senseless ” would be of no use because it would be AOSP which clearly isnt sense..also if we took every component out of the rom containing anything sense it would still be..sense lol AOSP isnt stripped down per say it is compiled from source .....I'm glad you like our work but when undead or myself or both of us decide to take the time to do AOSp or whatever you will know...
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Loving the work that's been done here so far... but after downloading and installing not one, but two different 200+MB-sized roms claiming to be non-sense when they're really sense-based ROMS that have had sense elements stripped from them, can we PLEASE be a little more difinitive in the composure of these custom ROMs?
I need a TRUELY non-sense ROM (vanilla based). Sense-based ROMs don't work with the WiiRemote Controller IME, and neither of these "non-sense" ROMs in this forum work with it, because they still lack the element that Vanilla android has but Sense ROMs exclude (can not recall the exact element but still).
I think it'd be reasonable to list Sense-stripped ROMs as "de-sensed" and truely non-sense ROMS (built off of Vanilla Android) "non-sense".
I admit, Most of you on here compiling these roms know a whole lot more about this than I do, so I could be mistaken about something (in which case I'll stand corrected). I'm just getting tired of taking the time that it does to download and install these seemingly gigantic ROMs (as I recall a truely Vanilla ROM is usually only 40-50MBs at most, not 200+) to find out they're not ultimately doing what I need them to.
One of, if not the utmost reason I've rooted my MyTouch4gS is to utilize the WiiRemoteController IME for use with the emulators. I might just have to wait until Cyanogenmod jumps on board with this phone to get a truely vanilla-based ROM ::shrugs:: who knows. If someone out there knows how to accomplish this, I anxiously await your efforts. Thanks =)
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Truly AOSP-based ROMs will not come for a while. I'm not sure if someone has started a device tree for CM7 or not. It needs to be done otherwise.
No one will be "compiling" ROMs until the above is done. It's 7zipping all the way to the top until then!
Even when we do get AOSP based ROMs, don't expect them to work as well as Sense based ROMs for a LONG time. Even then, it may never be the same level of quality (even though it'll likely be a lot faster)
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We didn't make an error..I'm sure undead would agree ” senseless” means removing the htc overlay that is put over android....launcher, lock screen, widgets and other bloatware no typical user ..uses or understands....a ” senseless rom is just what we provided ....now let me clarify ...if it was a ” vanilla” rom the word ”senseless ” would be of no use because it would be AOSP which clearly isnt sense..also if we took every component out of the rom containing anything sense it would still be..sense lol AOSP isnt stripped down per say it is compiled from source .....I'm glad you like our work but when undead or myself or both of us decide to take the time to do AOSp or whatever you will know...
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Thank you for your more civilized response. I did not intend to imply that you or undead made an error by any means. I apologise (to you, not him, if he had been a little more civilized I might be more remorseful) for any offense I may have brought to you. That was not my intent.
I only intended to bring stronger definition between senseless and AOSP. Which you've provided me and I now understand where I was wrong. It was my mistake, as I understood the concepts of building AOSP from the source and stripping a sense-based ROM, but did not previously realize that what I was looking for was an AOSP ROM built from source and not a sense-less ROM. Given your explanation, I agree and now understand what I previously did not comprehend.
And undead - What are you 12? I wasn't bashing anyone nor did I intend to. You clearly took my meaning completely wrong. I'm confused, it says you joined this community a month ago. Where do you get off trolling a member of this community who's been around here 2 years longer than you have? Cool your jets. Lets try and keep this place civilized and not act like children. If you misunderstand someone or think that someone's being offensive, please take an approach more similar to how computerkid handled the situation. It was simply a misunderstanding and, as such, did not require name calling or any of the absurdly superfluous (if you don't understand the meaning of that word, perhaps you should get some hooked on phonics) insults you've thrown my way. I'm not really going to designate any kind of response past this defense. I'm not trying to troll, these are merely the 2 cents I've earned after what you've just unnecessarily expressed. Chill out dude.
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Truly AOSP-based ROMs will not come for a while. I'm not sure if someone has started a device tree for CM7 or not. It needs to be done otherwise.
No one will be "compiling" ROMs until the above is done. It's 7zipping all the way to the top until then!
Even when we do get AOSP based ROMs, don't expect them to work as well as Sense based ROMs for a LONG time. Even then, it may never be the same level of quality (even though it'll likely be a lot faster)
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Thanks for the knowledge.
Sorry for posting in this forum, I posted it here because it was a request for any ROMs being posted here in the future, which seemed to bear some relevance until I stood corrected (which I do).
The only other time I've rooted a Sense-based phone was when I ended up rooting my MyTouch3G Slide months after I had owned it, when CM was already available for it. So I didn't previously realize what an endeavor it is to achieve what I'm waiting for.
Given the information I've obtained from this thread, it makes a lot of sense that it would take some time.
Mods please remove this crap out of the development thread. This users inability to read ops is the root cause of his issue and common sense woulda helped him resolve this ”issue” ! He also created a thread JUST LIKE THIS in my nonsense thread, computerkid23 tasteless venom thread, and in the general section of the mytouch 4g slide.
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So far the devs all seem pretty clear about how they just removed the Sense overlay/UI or some of the Sense / mySense elements and I also hope they continue to be as definitive; it doesn't seem like they're cliaming they're AOSP-based. Usually devs will post when a ROM is AOSP-based or CM7-based so you'll know what you're getting yourself into, and the devs thus far have done a respectable job of defining what they've done, which is for the most part, take the stock ROM and remove just about as much as possible to streamline things.
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Mods please remove this crap out of the development thread. This users inability to read ops is the root cause of his issue and common sense woulda helped him resolve this ”issue” ! He also created a thread JUST LIKE THIS in my nonsense thread, computerkid23 tasteless venom thread, and in the general section of the mytouch 4g slide.
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Wow youre a piece of work.
It was relevant in the development thread to start, as it was a request for future development (duh). two mere comments in other threads (that did pertain to the ROMs in particular, where this one pertains to future ROMs) is hardly cross-posting as youre acusing me of. And what post in the general thread are you even speaking of? Ive never even been in the general thread for this phone. Youre loosing your mind.
This thread however is clearly no longer relevant because it was based on a misunderstanding of what i was actually looking for. Again... How old are you? I swear my 3 year old nephew is better tempered than you are lol.
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Not to fan the flames but the development section is for active development not requests those go in general or q&a but we didn't get a q&a in our sub forum
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Ok guys enough already. Dev is not for requests or Question threads. I have moved this thread to General. Now as for the rudeness IT STOPS or you will be on the wrong side of a ban. Plan and simple. If you are looking for a certain aspect of a rom please do your research on the rom. If you dont see if something is supported ask the Dev about it. As for the thing you are looking for, if the source code is available then you can build one from source. But with the lack of things i see I am not sure if it is even released.
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So I see a lot of questions about ICS roms. In the past, I had read that this is considered a Google Experience flagship, that it didn't come with any skins and was a pure Android. Since it's upgrade to ICS, is this still the case or have skins like Motoblur been added?
Also, if this is pure Android, then why is there interest in making additional roms for ICS if it is already barebones Android?
Is this really so hard a thread for you more experienced lurkers to answer? I see I must have obviously offended someone by asking it in the question and answer board. Thanks anyway.
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Is this really so hard a thread for you more experienced lurkers to answer? I see I must have obviously offended someone by asking it in the question and answer board. Thanks anyway.
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You offend people with the lack of effort on your part. Your answers could easily been found by going to a custom rom thread and reading the list of additional enhancements. Hell, if you are lazy you can even go on YouTube and watch people talk about the rom. There also have been threads that talk about this already. Use the search feature and if that doesn't work out well, use Google and include "xda" along with whatever you are searching for.
I actually have looked into it, and everyone does praise ics on the Zoom, and it is never explicitly said that it has a skin on it, but that doesn't change the fact that xda is more appropriate a source for a correct answer. I haven't seen any quality reviews for it, the hardware being as old as it is. No one has anything to say other than it got the update and that it's fast.
As for the part about roms, they are sexondary, and no, I didn't do any research into that; I will acknowledge that I should have.
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No skin.
Stock is stock. It gets updated in major revisions only. Custom roms have nightlies, even.
Additional hacks and upgrades are made with custom rom. Like having a stock car, and then putting a loud sports exhaust on it. Undisirable to most, but gives more performance to those that want it.
I've happily owned a G2X for almost 7 months now, and have used a custom rom for essentially the entire time.
Prior to the G2X, i used the HTC HD2 - a Windows 6.5 phone that gained notoriety after having android ported to it through the hard work of developers.
However, one thing that I feel is truly missing from the development community here is what most HD2 devs did; that is, they disclosed the problems with their ROM in the first post of their threads.
So, rather than having to hunt through a 200+ page thread, not knowing what build people are referring to, in order to find out issues with a ROM, it would very much simplify the ROM selection process if devs would disclose known issues such as "non working camera" etc.
Obviously every issue cant be accounted for, but I think the big ones being posted would help clarify a lot of things.
Thoughts?
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For example, here's a link to one of tytung's HD2 roms (he's one of the more popular developers for the HD2):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1434860
If you scroll down, you'll see he has a list of "working" and "not working" features.
Nobody has any interest in something like this?
Well the thing is all our rooms are based off stock,cm7, or cm9 in one way or another. So everyone knows of the known issues. If its a weird issue out of the norm its usually stated.
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Reasoning above doesn't hold up, because each rom has things that are fixed or not fixed individually.
I'm not sure of the reasoning, and i guess different devs might have different reasons. Depending on their priorities and skill levels.
Of course if someone is cooking and theming and/or just vanilla compiling then maybe there's less reason (and perhaps more reason to deemphasize bugs?).
Anyways, i agree that an informative first post with a real change log and working and non working features is a very handy thing to have.
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Well the thing is all our rooms are based off stock,cm7, or cm9 in one way or another. So everyone knows of the known issues. If its a weird issue out of the norm its usually stated.
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I don't think everyone knows the issues. In fact, if you're new to the community you certainly wont.
Stating the problems is what sparked a ton of competition in the HD2 dev community. The first guy to fix the camera, first guy to fix bluetooth powerdrain etc always got a ton of donations and a better rep. I just don't see that competition here at all.
I don't care about a custom bootloader image or some custom wallpapers. I care about the issues being fixed, and I would love to know which devs are the ones fixing them!
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I don't think everyone knows the issues. In fact, if you're new to the community you certainly wont.
Stating the problems is what sparked a ton of competition in the HD2 dev community. The first guy to fix the camera, first guy to fix bluetooth powerdrain etc always got a ton of donations and a better rep. I just don't see that competition here at all.
I don't care about a custom bootloader image or some custom wallpapers. I care about the issues being fixed, and I would love to know which devs are the ones fixing them!
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It really doesn't matter who fixed them, as long as they're fixed. It's not a competition over here. The devs here help each other, especially with ICS. If one of us has a fix for something, it's shared and we all get it. Majority of the people doing the reading that they're supposed to do know the issues that we have with this phone. It just comes down to, are you willing to read to get all of the facts?
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It really doesn't matter who fixed them, as long as they're fixed. It's not a competition over here. The devs here help each other, especially with ICS. If one of us has a fix for something, it's shared and we all get it. Majority of the people doing the reading that they're supposed to do know the issues that we have with this phone. It just comes down to, are you willing to read to get all of the facts?
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Exactly. We don't do this for competition. We do this as a hobby and we all learn from each other. And even the best developers out there are still learning. If you think developers do this for money you are sadly mistaken, money is in app development not roms.
We all have families, kids, school, jobs and a real life. Therefore free time is hard to come by.
You can go to any development thread skim over the last two pages and have the known issues.
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Reasoning above doesn't hold up, because each rom has things that are fixed or not fixed individually.
I'm not sure of the reasoning, and i guess different devs might have different reasons. Depending on their priorities and skill levels.
Of course if someone is cooking and theming and/or just vanilla compiling then maybe there's less reason (and perhaps more reason to deemphasize bugs?).
Anyways, i agree that an informative first post with a real change log and working and non working features is a very handy thing to have.
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If you can't see the reasoning. Then I would like to see the roms you have posted that are not based on one of the bases I listed.
There is this thing called github that most of us use. If you want a "real" change log its there that you'll find it.
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You can go to any development thread skim over the last two pages and have the known issues.
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The above isn't even remotely true.
Are you done speaking for all developers yet? I would guess each one can speak for themselves, don't you think?
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If you can't see the reasoning. Then I would like to see the roms you have posted that are not based on one of the bases I listed.
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I guess your reading comprehension isn't very good. I explained why and how there may be differences. If your experience is mainly doing what I called "vanilla compiling" or theming then I guess I could see how you would generalize that all ROMs will be the same though.
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There is this thing called github that most of us use. If you want a "real" change log its there that you'll find it.
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I'm not sure why you feel the need and give yourself the permission to get up on your high horse here. I'm aware of source control and I was using it and writing C code nearly 20 years ago although I'm not a programmer now nor was I then but thanks for informing me. I also note the lack of a git or other source control published in the first post of your ROM in the dev section. As I'm sure you know many (most?) other ROM's don't either in there.
Not sure what you're afraid of to be getting your back up. Nobody cares if you just barely learned how, or are an expert at, writing code. People will appreciate a community contribution regardless.
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The above isn't even remotely true.
Are you done speaking for all developers yet? I would guess each one can speak for themselves, don't you think?
I guess your reading comprehension isn't very good. I explained why and how there may be differences. If your experience is mainly doing what I called "vanilla compiling" or theming then I guess I could see how you would generalize that all ROMs will be the same though.
I'm not sure why you feel the need and give yourself the permission to get up on your high horse here. I'm aware of source control and I was using it and writing C code nearly 20 years ago although I'm not a programmer now nor was I then but thanks for informing me. I also note the lack of a git or other source control published in the first post of your ROM in the dev section. As I'm sure you know many (most?) other ROM's don't either in there.
Not sure what you're afraid of to be getting your back up. Nobody cares if you just barely learned how, or are an expert at, writing code. People will appreciate a community contribution regardless.
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Well plainly you have not read the umpteen million threads regarding lg and nvidias lack of open source. If you want the source for any of the roms I've posted that are based off of a stock rom. My source is right there in the rom. Decompile it and look at it. Just like i decompiled it and modded it. You want the source for my cm/aosp based roms its on my github. Want the source for aokp? Its on github and gerrit.
People clearly appreciate my contributions in the android community. I'd say 1000s of downloads and being kanged countless times can prove that. And in case you haven't noticed their aren't many devs in the g2x community. And certainly hardly any of them are going to come answer a thread posted in the wrong section.
Lastly I am not on any high horse nor have I ever been. I have done more then my part to help and contribute to this community. When you post something constructive then you can try to bring your constructive criticism my way.
That is all have a good day. We will post our threads how we want to. Please learn to read a few replies and the answers are there.
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Well plainly you have not read the umpteen million threads regarding lg and nvidias lack of closed source. If you want the source for any of the roms I've posted that are based off of a stock rom. My source is right there in the rom. Decompile it and look at it. Just like i decompiled it and modded it. You want the source for my cm/aosp based roms its on my github. Want the source for aokp? Its on github and gerrit.
People clearly appreciate my contributions in the android community. I'd say 1000s of downloads and being kanged countless times can prove that. And in case you haven't noticed their aren't many devs in the g2x community. And certainly hardly any of them are going to come answer a thread posted in the wrong section.
Lastly I am not on any high horse nor have I ever been. I have done more then my part to help and contribute to this community. When you post something constructive then you can try to bring your constructive criticism my way.
That is all have a good day. We will post our threads how we want to. Please learn to read a few replies and the answers are there.
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Pretty sure this response answers the OP's question far better than I ever could have. Thanks for demonstrating.
Hi I'm kinda new into the development side of android coding, but I know about flashing and the other goodies. I would like to create a team to help me and our android community a revolutionary ROM for our device and then release to other developers to port to other devices. I know that I'm probably going to get ridiculed for posting this hear but I have a few cool ideas that I would like to share that I think would make the Android experience on our phone way cooler.
Here are some of the features that I want to add into the ROM that I want help developing that don't exist and that may already exist:
Add widgets and apps into the pull down menu bar and implement that to when the device is locked. Its kinda like the same idea as in 4.2 but I think can be made more better and efficient.
Various build.prop tweaks for better performance.
Removing the bloatware apps from the ROM for more system space and better battery life.
Automatically drop 4g into 3g after a certain amount of time when phone is not being heavily used for better battery life.
Add a widget to switch between 4g and 3g into the notification bar.
Implement the auto arrangement of apps and widgets on the home screen into ICS like jelly bean has if we build off a stock ICS base.
Implement the 4.2 camera app
Implement the 4.2 gallery app
Implement the 4.2 keyboard app
Implement the 4.2 Gmail app
Implement Google Now
Implement a fully working Google wallet app
Add options to switch betwewn a scrolling/non scrolling wallpaper.
Add options to switch between a 5x5/5x4/4x4 launcher.
Add an option when listening to music to go into airplane mode to save battery life.
Add various audio tweaks for enhanced audio.
Increase the auto sync delay over network connection for better battery life.
Implement a CPU/GPU app to overclock for better performance and underclock for better battery life.
Add better and customizable auto brightness settings.
Allow for custom boot images.
Add 4 way Reboot menu.
Add a brightness slider.
Implement an unlocked bootloader.
Implement holding the back button to kill an app.
Possibly implement the Sony Bravia Engine.
Implement nexus 4 notification sounds.
And possibly implement multiview for apps.
I know that some of these things already exists and I think some of the things that don't exist in our current ROMs can be created with some creative coding.
I think that if this project gets up and running we could build this off of a stock VZW JB ROM or we could build this off of a stock ICS ROM .
Let me know what you guys think about this maybe insane idea level of modification to a ROM and hopefully we can get something started.
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This belongs in General section.
CleanROM Lite Edition, Pimp My Rom. There's most of what you requested lol
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Just run away. I suspect this NEVER happening.
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Dear OP,
Perhaps my response will be more enlightening that some of the others.
First things first. It is understandable to ask for help developing a rom. We all had to start somewhere. We all made mistakes and we all had breakthroughs and anyone who denies this is lying.
Second. Just as we started out from nothing and grown into the devs we are, we had to start by learning on our own. Might I suggest getting a zip of a stock rom and messing with it. Add this, Remove that. Mess up, and restart. Then once you have that, perhaps look at compiling source based roms such as Cyanogenmod. Not only will this get you more comfortable with coding, but rather get you used to spending hours infront of a monitor.
Third, Move from CM to aosp. I know it sounds counter intuitive, but with aosp, you are force to be more creative. Learn how to cherry pick and how to run diffs and such.
Fourth, start something. Anything to show you are making an effort rather than asking for others to code it and hope you get the credit.
This by no means is meant to discourage you, but you will go further and enjoy your creation more if YOU physically stick your hands in the code and mess with it.
Have a great day
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Considering you never dev'd before maybe try taking baby steps instead of listing every feature under the sun that you want in a Rom plus feature that don't really exist yet.
That does not sound like someone wanting to learn how to dev but more like finding someone to make a Rom for them. We all have the talent to list every feature under the sun we would like to see. That does not qualify someone for dev training. lol
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What a supportive community
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What a supportive community
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i know right
sumredhed567 said:
What a supportive community
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To be fair, had this been posted in general (the correct section) he would have gotten much more help. However people come here looking for ROMs and lately are seeing all these question or incorrect posts.
I hope he does develop something, the more devs the better!
I also think lt would be best if he had something to show before asking for help because basically he is requesting some one build a ROM for him right now.
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i know right
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No kidding. I was gonna put some stuff up after finals......makes me second guess that whole idea......apparently you're either Elite or complete **** and ridiculed....
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No kidding. I was gonna put some stuff up after finals......makes me second guess that whole idea......apparently you're either Elite or complete **** and ridiculed....
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I think you're missing the point. He asked for help on a ROM he was thinking about making and posted it in the wrong section on top of that. The biggest problem is posting on the wrong forum though By all means release a ROM and purple will appreciate it.
However, release something then ask for help on some features you want to add and other devs will probably help.
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This is this guys second wrong forum post. He has not learned anything..... http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=31735978#post31735978
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Everyone is supportive here helping this guy not set himself up for failure.
Also, if one does not know the difference between a development thread and a general or q&a thread after already making the mistake once then they have a lot to learn before developing anything...
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Everyone is supportive here helping this guy not set himself up for failure.
Also, if one does not know the difference between a development thread and a general or q&a thread after already making the mistake once then they have a lot to learn before developing anything...
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He's by no means a developer this is a guy not asking, but essentially demanding people make him a ROM.
The XDA police are in full effect...
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Ok here's where I, usually the quiet guy, am going to get flamed I'm sure. I do understand site rules, and the need for organization. BUT, that said, why does everyone have to be totally anal about it all the time here? The "General" and "Q&A" sections here are TOO General. Everything root-related, not root-related,app-related, plan-related,..etc..etc...etc..etc....(you get my point) ALL gets thrown into the same section. This REALLY degrades from questions or statements getting the attention they NEED half the time. Who wants to sift through 5 pages before they find a question they can answer? Not most people. And to put it frankly, the general attitude around here really bites.
In the OP's defense, the Development section(again another generalized,cluttered section), is EXACTLY where I would want to post a question such as this. It just makes SENSE for it to be here. Would I? No. Why? Because I will get a cyber-smack in the nose for doing it, and breaking the iron-clad-follow-the-rules-or-else rule. In fact, I have posted threads in the Q&A and general sections for various devices here at XDA, and guess what? Only one of said threads got me any answers, and NONE got the attention of the people that needed to see them.
Time to rethink our attitudes, guys. The sense of "community" here is lacking..big time. Take some time to venture into other android websites, and search out XDA on them. You'll see TONS of gripes, and TONS of users that will not come here because of the "Snobiness".. to mention only one of the things that is said.
It's a terrible shame to see such a HUGE resource as this site is be filled with the attitude it is, and have such a bad name externally
Flame me, and you just prove my point.
Mods, if I have violated too many rules, please send me a PM, but also please provide me with a name I can contact high-up so I can also talk to them. My apologies, but I'm just fed up with it, but at the same time this is THE place to be for most of my android needs.
Just food for thought.. carry on people and enjoy your day/night.
@Atari... don't want to quote your long post but the development section is the easiest one to figure out especially if you read the guidelines. If you didn't develop something it doesn't go here. How much simpler can it be?
A question about development is not development. Imagine if it was. The actual ROM downloads would end up being on the 2nd and 3rd pages and lost in people just posting questions.
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@Atari... don't want to quote your long post but the development section is the easiest one to figure out especially if you read the guidelines. If you didn't develop something it doesn't go here. How much simpler can it be?
A question about development is not development. Imagine if it was. The actual ROM downloads would end up being on the 2nd and 3rd pages and lost in people just posting questions.
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Point taken. At least there could be a development Q&A though. His question would most likely have fallen to page 2 or three of the current Q&A section in no time, as many of the questions do.
As im sure most of you all know, I have locked the Unofficial CM10 thread. It isnt because of one person or one event, but something that has been coming for a long time. I have been stressing myself with this build and making sure that everyone was happy and doing pretty much everything i could do, but it didnt seem to be enough. While i appreciate the feedback, it is very disappointing to release cm10.1 when pretty much no other phones have released it (due to the lack of source merged and changes necessary for jellybean 4.2.1) and have nothing but post after post of this doesnt work and this doesnt look right and this is running horrible and blah blah blah even after i made it absolutely clear time after time that there may be issues since there is alot of source changes that are missing. You would think that since i took the time to merge the needed changes and work tirelessly to make changes and get the changes merged into our device/kernel trees to get CM 10.1 built and IMO running nicely, there would be alot of positive feedback and alot of understanding from the community that there may be little issues here and there since not everything was completely merged in on the CM side, but that was not the case as everyone expects perfection right and nothing else. Anyways, with that said, Building CM10 was becoming more of a job instead of something fun that i loved to do. And believe me... I havent had nearly enough donations to be ok with considering this a job... Nor do i expect alot of donations and for those of you who have supported me, I greatly appreciate it. I WILL CONTINUE to build CM10 and posting new builds on my goo page found HERE. I will not however be unlocking the CM10 thread. So... If you like my work and like my builds, keep an eye on my goo page and download when you are notified there is an update. If you like the build, great... if not, flash something else.
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As im sure most of you all know, I have locked the Unofficial CM10 thread. It isnt because of one person or one event, but something that has been coming for a long time. I have been stressing myself with this build and making sure that everyone was happy and doing pretty much everything i could do, but it didnt seem to be enough. While i appreciate the feedback, it is very disappointing to release cm10.1 when pretty much no other phones have released it (due to the lack of source merged and changes necessary for jellybean 4.2.1) and have nothing but post after post of this doesnt work and this doesnt look right and this is running horrible and blah blah blah even after i made it absolutely clear time after time that there may be issues since there is alot of source changes that are missing. You would think that since i took the time to merge the needed changes and work tirelessly to make changes and get the changes merged into our device/kernel trees to get CM 10.1 built and IMO running nicely, there would be alot of positive feedback and alot of understanding from the community that there may be little issues here and there since not everything was completely merged in on the CM side, but that was not the case as everyone expects perfection right and nothing else. Anyways, with that said, Building CM10 was becoming more of a job instead of something fun that i loved to do. And believe me... I havent had nearly enough donations to be ok with considering this a job... Nor do i expect alot of donations and for those of you who have supported me, I greatly appreciate it. I WILL CONTINUE to build CM10 and posting new builds on my goo page found HERE. I will not however be unlocking the CM10 thread. So... If you like my work and like my builds, keep an eye on my goo page and download when you are notified there is an update. If you like the build, great... if not, flash something else.
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you have a charachter flaw. you're a people pleaser. once you get over that and become a true asshole you will be much happier in life.
Dani897 said:
you have a charachter flaw. you're a people pleaser. once you get over that and become a true asshole you will be much happier in life.
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Lol! So true!
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Just wanted to put my two cents in...I've been an avid user of the roms from this site for quite awhile now & have never felt the need to register because any issues I've ever had,I've been able to rectify with some searching or have been on roms that have clearly stated they were beta's & expected to have flaws. That being said...after watching what happened on your infuse board, I just wanted to let you know the fact that you're continuing to develop & keep our phones updated with the best features gave me the first true reason to register so I could say thanks...
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Thank You.
I don't blame Scott for having the thread closed, not one bit.
And Dani is correct, Scott's character flaw is only that he's missing the "asshole" gene that some tend to have.
Now on to the good part...
I'm getting back into the swing of things as far as porting and development goes. My first attempt is going to be a nearly pure AOSP build using Aries repos and some Maguro/Takju code base, with parts from the most recent CM10.1 base. I have an idea of what I want to incorporate, but it should be light and clean, with a smooth interface.
Scott, I will be in touch with you shortly on this, as I need to finish and finalize my SDK installs and get everything going correctly for a first build.
Just checked Scotts goo link. Can I safely assume the development continues? If so hallelujah the infuse lives on.
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Most of the people that posted just wanted insight on their issues. Personally, I posted there because I felt I wasn't getting any response in the Q&A thread.
I think we should learn from the miscommunication.
One of the bigger problems we faced was that the build thread was the most responsive place to get an answer, and the bugs people had weren't clearly documented somewhere (you can't tell someone to search 500+ pages, find a bug, match it to their build, etc) so they could find and know NOT to post about it.
Going forward, maybe we can have:
Build thread- keep updated on the status of the build
Bug thread- to review / report the current build bugs
Q&A thread- how do I rotate the screen, why is this doing that, etc
Thoughts?
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Most of the people that posted just wanted insight on their issues. Personally, I posted there because I felt I wasn't getting any response in the Q&A thread.
I think we should learn from the miscommunication.
One of the bigger problems we faced was that the build thread was the most responsive place to get an answer, and the bugs people had weren't clearly documented somewhere (you can't tell someone to search 500+ pages, find a bug, match it to their build, etc) so they could find and know NOT to post about it.
Going forward, maybe we can have:
Build thread- keep updated on the status of the build
Bug thread- to review / report the current build bugs
Q&A thread- how do I rotate the screen, why is this doing that, etc
Thoughts?
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But Scott specifically asked multiple times not to post bugs on the 4.2/cm10.1 releases due to the fact that source is still being merged -cm said themselves that the 4.2 code would be buggy and that you probably wouldn't be able to build anything with it...for the most part Scott proved both of those wrong
However I do like the idea of the three threads
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Just checked Scotts goo link. Can I safely assume the development continues? If so hallelujah the infuse lives on.
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scott.hart.bti said:
I WILL CONTINUE to build CM10 and posting new builds on my goo page found HERE. I will not however be unlocking the CM10 thread. So... If you like my work and like my builds, keep an eye on my goo page and download when you are notified there is an update. If you like the build, great... if not, flash something else.
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Yes, he will keep developing, but don't expect to see updates on this forum, which is a shame. His CM10 thread was actually the only reason I got on XDA.
Thanks for the update, Scott. Don't let the drama llamas get you down
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Most of the people that posted just wanted insight on their issues. Personally, I posted there because I felt I wasn't getting any response in the Q&A thread.
I think we should learn from the miscommunication.
One of the bigger problems we faced was that the build thread was the most responsive place to get an answer, and the bugs people had weren't clearly documented somewhere (you can't tell someone to search 500+ pages, find a bug, match it to their build, etc) so they could find and know NOT to post about it.
Going forward, maybe we can have:
Build thread- keep updated on the status of the build
Bug thread- to review / report the current build bugs
Q&A thread- how do I rotate the screen, why is this doing that, etc
Thoughts?
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For the most part I agree with you. Its why I probably pissed a bunch of people off defending the late comers and those that just don't know about logcats and such.
However, it was stated multiple times by not just Scott but the more senior and knowledgeable members that the 4.2 was going to have problems.
I agree searching through 1000 plus posts can be a daunting task and maybe I just don't have a life but I've done it for every ICS/JB rom I've flashed.. But I was there at the beginning of that development so it made it easier. But you didn't have to read more than 2 pages between warnings for the 4.2.
I'm on Scott's side on this one.
If nothing else click on the op's profile and just read all their posts.
Personally I think only devs should be allowed to post on a dev thread but I don't see that happening anytime soon.
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I agree. I think there should be a minimum post count of 100 and a requirement to agree to a separate 'contract' to post in dev. threads. I read dev threads to find out what's going on in development not the rubbish that appears in most dev threads. The infuse forums have been fairly tolerant of this kind of thing. Other forums on xda, much less so.
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Changelog
I think another part of the problem is that very little actual development discussion happens here. It seems that people release their stuff here, and respond to bug reports, but that's about it. You can learn a lot about Linux by reading the archives of the Linux Kernel Mailing List (LKML). It's not quite the same situation here, learning about android is much harder (i have yet to find an android equivalent for the LKML)
Anyway, Thanks for continuing development! Will you be posting a change log between releases? I just like to know what I'm flashing ahead of time
Thanks,
woody
Scotts just released CM10.1 on goomanager 12/10 build go check it out
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Scott,
Glad to see you will be still be developing. Will there be some type of change log somewhere that we can view? I agree with some of the past. 500 pages of posts to read/search is alot. possibly a better brake down would have keep people posting in the correct places. Also with the 4.2 merge MY opionion would have been to make a separate thread as the last 4.1.2 was stable and really usable as its still my current daily. If the items arent merged maybe it isnt a good idea to even make a realease unless its to a few beta testers. That way 100s of people dont whine and complain about known or dumb issues.
Either way keeep up the good work.
Not sure how it would be accomplished, but a good idea would be to remove all posts from the cm10 thread and only scott could post in it (updates/changelog).
I have no idea how feasible that would be though.
Many thanks to scott
Hi scott, I never felt the need to comment in your thread because I never had any problems with your ROM.
But now I feel the need to comment here to express my gratitude for all the hard work that you have put into this ROM.
Your ROM is the first one that I tried, and also the best one I've seen/used. I'm VERY glad that you will continue your work for the Infuse.
Again, I thank you for your work, and I will be looking forward to future updates!
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His CM10 thread was actually the only reason I got on XDA.
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This^
hovin1988 said:
Hi scott, I never felt the need to comment in your thread because I never had any problems with your ROM.
But now I feel the need to comment here to express my gratitude for all the hard work that you have put into this ROM.
Your ROM is the first one that I tried, and also the best one I've seen/used. I'm VERY glad that you will continue your work for the Infuse.
Again, I thank you for your work, and I will be looking forward to future updates!
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And this^
I generally just read through the thread reading peoples issues if i ran into one rather than post. Issues were always sorted out if i kept reading. But thanks for all your hard work in creating roms, I know i'd be really bad off without them :good:
I think the communication and forum issues are simply a result of using a forum for "developer collaboration". Then to top it off, many are using tapatalk, which has the most useless search feature ever. I've heard the argument that a proper browser should be used, but many just won't.
As long as a forum is used for xda development, it will continue to be more like a ROM forum than anything else intended without ridiculous amounts of moderation (even judicious use of temp bans without warning).
Forums are good for arguing lol. Bugtrackers are good for tracking bugs, especially since they are easy to police. If you want feedback as well, make a special category for that. Duplicates and invalid reports can be easily identified and marked as such. For all other forums(general, q&a, accessories, etc.) a forum makes sense to me. For the development forum, a forum, IMO, makes little sense.
If the forum format is used in order to foster community, fine. You can expect a lot of drama, arguing, complaining, and everything else that goes along with it.
Just my opinion. I could be completely wrong.
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