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Froyo repo up

Just seen on Twitter that a 'froyo-release' repo is up. New toys for devs?

i hate exams, always at wrong time.

Pity there are so few dev working with Desire, will take forever before the goodies appear. Lets hope there will be a good port of cm coming soon

DocRambone said:
Pity there are so few dev working with Desire, will take forever before the goodies appear. Lets hope there will be a good port of cm coming soon
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Actually Desire is not 100% rooted + no perfect recovery made
so people are avoiding development.
+ many issues faced by people
Lets see. i will try my best but -> my exams end 15th june
if its done by some other person b4 that it would be awesome

ahmgsk said:
Actually Desire is not 100% rooted + no perfect recovery made
so people are avoiding development.
+ many issues faced by people
Lets see. i will try my best but -> my exams end 15th june
if its done by some other person b4 that it would be awesome
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You did a very nice work with the rom you provided. Lets hope we can get proper root and maybe some more attention from devs to put froyo on Desire

dude it's not released!!
it's only the sdk update that has been released
so ahmgsk you got plenty of time if your exams end the 15th june cause it will be released arround june
and hey by the way ahmgsk you are doing a great work! i really loved your roms back at the sapphire time
but i moved on to nexus because of the fast updates, preunlocked bootloader and the great support. i really hope for you guys that the development will start fo real!

i know the desire root is not perfect and the recorery is far from perfect ( probably the recovery causing usb isseu in some way) but i have never gotten an answer to why? why are we not able to acces system while in os and why is there no great recovory? limitations or just that we are not there yet?

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i know the desire root is not perfect and the recorery is far from perfect ( probably the recovery causing usb isseu in some way) but i have never gotten an answer to why? why are we not able to acces system while in os and why is there no great recovory? limitations or just that we are not there yet?
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I wonder that to, asked Paul number of times over at Modaco, but never got an answer. Its a pity with this silence, it makes everyone wonder...

HTC put in a lot of special code that locks down /system when the phone is operating in normal mode. It's a shame, and that's what's preventing full custom recovery menus and easier flashing.

I have had the Desire for 2 weeks now and I am abandoning ship. The development on the ROM's are to few for my taste. Might be back some day but I am going for the nexus from here on out.

hjaltih said:
I have had the Desire for 2 weeks now and I am abandoning ship. The development on the ROM's are to few for my taste. Might be back some day but I am going for the nexus from here on out.
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Thinking about same thing: my wife have a nexus... maybe time to swap

The Professor said:
HTC put in a lot of special code that locks down /system when the phone is operating in normal mode. It's a shame, and that's what's preventing full custom recovery menus and easier flashing.
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you seem to know what you are talking about , thanks what is needed for gaining the last bit of access? did the kernel source help? and do you think consideringen what you know now that this last part of desire root will be achieved in near future?

DocRambone said:
Thinking about same thing: my wife have a nexus... maybe time to swap
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Nexus for wife?
lol...

Just wanted to tell you all....
I sold my Desire today and have been using the Nexus for a couple of days.
Today the 2.2 update came (I am not rooted or anything) and everything is awesome.
The community around the Nexus is hissing and buzzing with creativity and that is something the Desire doesn't have.
I will not be recomending to people to get the Desire even though it is a lot cheaper here where I live (Iceland) and I will recomend for anyone to upgrade to Android 2.2 as soon as they posssibly can becouse going from 8 mflop to 38. Well you can seriously feel the difference in every move you make in the phone.

I completly agree but you're missing the facts.
Nexus One has been available since January, whereas Desire just got released last month in Europe and isn't even available in US/Canada and doesn't have a reliable root yet.
The Nexus One sold terribly, whereas the Desire is number 1 in Europe currently.
Yeah right now the N1 dev community is bigger than Desire's but it will definitly change in the following months, especially when we get a stable root.

might happen that the development will be better for the Desire later but still you will be dependent on HTC for kernels like the Hero crowd (That I just came from)
I want to be able to get real upgrades when they happen. Not when some 3'd party company says so. (And they usually seem to say very late or very never....)

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ahmgsk said:
Actually Desire is not 100% rooted + no perfect recovery made
so people are avoiding development.
+ many issues faced by people
Lets see. i will try my best but -> my exams end 15th june
if its done by some other person b4 that it would be awesome
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Cool! Can't wait. All the best for your exams

hjaltih said:
might happen that the development will be better for the Desire later but still you will be dependent on HTC for kernels like the Hero crowd (That I just came from)
I want to be able to get real upgrades when they happen. Not when some 3'd party company says so. (And they usually seem to say very late or very never....)
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Actually I think we can port cyanogen's kernel, I am trying to do it. Every day I tweak it somehow, one day it will boot

pretty foolish selling your desire. froyo for desire will launche soon, probably within weeks. After that i see no more reasons to root anyway.
but thats only my 2 cents.

What is the attraction to CM7?

These forums are getting littered with people asking for help after screwing up their phones trying to install CM7. Why are people who don't know what they're doing trying to install a ROM that is not yet fully functional? This should be left to devs who are trying to fix issues, not people who need their phones to work. I just don't get it.

I thought the topic was taken down.
Edit: Nevermind, the topic is still there. Imo though, I think it should be taken down and only progress be shown. Might prevent the massive amounts of bricking and general failure to read directions.
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Its actually pretty stable and works great long as you read step by step.
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Lol, gingerbread I suppose. :facepalm:
But yeah, they should know what they are doing. Otherwise, bricks ahoy!
Swyped from my Froyo-ed Captivate.

Thats exactly it, Gingerbread.

41LY45 said:
Lol, gingerbread I suppose. :facepalm:
But yeah, they should know what they are doing. Otherwise, bricks ahoy!
Swyped from my Froyo-ed Captivate.
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I bricked mine like 3 times trying to get "simple" Serendipity to work for the first time.
Gotta love the jig though. Didn't have one brick during the CM7 process though. Just a lot of resets back stock b/c of the mistakes.

41LY45 said:
Lol, gingerbread I suppose. :facepalm:
But yeah, they should know what they are doing. Otherwise, bricks ahoy!
Swyped from my Froyo-ed Captivate.
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Lol, it's amazing how badly some people cream their pants over bigger version numbers.
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miahsoul said:
I bricked mine like 3 times trying to get "simple" Serendipity to work for the first time.
Gotta love the jig though. Didn't have one brick during the CM7 process though. Just a lot of resets back stock b/c of the mistakes.
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Tough luck brah.
Flashed Andromeda 1.0 for my first ROM. Worked like a charm.
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Lol, it's amazing how badly some people cream their pants over bigger version numbers.
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People are people and
It's Gingerbread!!

Not sure if gingerbread is worth the risks, but I'm happy that there's lots of people trying it out so I can use a stable release in the future.

lightswitch2159 said:
Thats exactly it, Gingerbread.
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And exactly what is in Gingerbread that makes salivating fools out of so many?

phrenicthenub said:
Not sure if gingerbread is worth the risks, but I'm happy that there's lots of people trying it out so I can use a stable release in the future.
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Yeah, but too many of those people are ending up in here looking for help when it goes bad. It just takes up space and energy better used to solve issues with actual working ROMs. Let the Devs do the development work that they're so good at.

Probably because CM is a big name dev and people think it'll be superior to what they're currently using, oh, and like it was said earlier, Gingerbread... I don't see what the huge fuss is about with Gingerbread, nothing huge has changed from Froyo and Ice Cream is already in development so I think Gingerbread will turn out to be like the early 2.0 Eclair build, something to skip over until a big update is available.
CM isn't what it used to be back in its hayday with the G1/Dream and MT3G/Magic, so I'm not sure what people are expecting... Nothing against the CM team of course, the entire team does great work even if the releases are taking a really long time compared to before.
I'll be waiting it out, if I get an official Gingerbread update for either of my phones, I'll do them, otherwise I'm going to wait for the next big update which is actually worth installing... But I agree, there seems to be a huge deal about a simple update for no apparent reason at all, Its not like the Eclair > Froyo update which improved performance by a good margin, so really, there isn't much to gain by installing Gingerbread other than a few UI improvements (which most of us won't see anyways since we all use 3rd party launchers).

Here's a perfect example of how dangerous this place can be sometimes.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=11894653&postcount=8
She just joined, just got a Captivate and already she's asking about flashing CM7. Apparently, none of the warnings were enough, she's willing to take the advice of absolute strangers, some who are willing to push her onward.

It's that damn lock crt-off animation. It's our generation's version of the three sirens, and instead of sail boats, we have android phones

Miami_Son said:
These forums are getting littered with people asking for help after screwing up their phones trying to install CM7. Why are people who don't know what they're doing trying to install a ROM that is not yet fully functional? This should be left to devs who are trying to fix issues, not people who need their phones to work. I just don't get it.
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I haven't flashed it because I don't know what I'm doing, scared and too lazy to start messing with odin or the like, but I understand the urge. By all accounts it's stable enough. I'll probably give it a go within a few days. At which point, if I brick my phone, I'll get a new one and consider it a learning experience. Plus, based on what I read yesterday it's never going to be as simple as updating a .zip anyway, so I might as well cross that bridge sooner rather than later.
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It's that damn lock crt-off animation. It's our generation's version of the three sirens, and instead of sail boats, we have android phones
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And yes, I'm not one bit ashamed of lusting for the obvious the gimmick. Gingerbread CRT out animation alone would be worth the risk, tbh, much less the whole gingerbread rom.

If people refuse to heed warnings, its their own fault.
As for Gingerbread, I can't speak for the others, but I want SIP support.

JVM improvements
Gingerbread claimed to have faster garbage collection and OpenGL among other things. It will probably have bigger memory footprint on a downside.
I will wait til Audience noise suppression support is there, which is likely never.
I will probably try it when Voodoo Sound and OC/UV are in the kernel, and all major bugs fixed. This likely to happen with the help of Galaxy S community.
I don't get the attitude towards being more AOSPish. AOSP is already out there. It is Samsung Captivate which needs native driver support to have all its internals fully functional.
I keep Torch 1.5 as a workhorse for now.

egypt3 said:
I haven't flashed it because I don't know what I'm doing, scared and too lazy to start messing with odin or the like, but I understand the urge. By all accounts it's stable enough. I'll probably give it a go within a few days. At which point, if I brick my phone, I'll get a new one and consider it a learning experience. Plus, based on what I read yesterday it's never going to be as simple as updating a .zip anyway, so I might as well cross that bridge sooner rather than later.
And yes, I'm not one bit ashamed of lusting for the obvious the gimmick. Gingerbread CRT out animation alone would be worth the risk, tbh, much less the whole gingerbread rom.
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Yes, that cursed crt animation. Was drooling over it on preview vid.
The risk of bricking my everyday phone w/o a jig prevents me from doing so.
Swyped from my Froyo-ed Captivate.

bravomail said:
Gingerbread claimed to have faster garbage collection and OpenGL among other things. It will probably have bigger memory footprint on a downside.
I will wait til Audience noise suppression support is there, which is likely never.
I will probably try it when Voodoo Sound and OC/UV are in the kernel, and all major bugs fixed. This likely to happen with the help of Galaxy S community.
I don't get the attitude towards being more AOSPish. AOSP is already out there. It is Samsung Captivate which needs native driver support to have all its internals fully functional.
I keep Torch 1.5 as a workhorse for now.
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There is no aosp for the captivate. Cm is built from actual source compared to piece together roms...which have been good by the way. And why create a thread about cm7 and peoples motives for flashing? Its new...that's why I flashed it! I have never used cm before so I personally wanted to see what it was like. It is the best rom I have used for speed without any lagfix. People have started flashing phones since I have been a member with no experience...it is going to stay that way. It hasn't just started with cm.
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flashman2002 said:
There is no aosp for the captivate. Cm is built from actual source compared to piece together roms...which have been good by the way. And why create a thread about cm7 and peoples motives for flashing? Its new...that's why I flashed it! I have never used cm before so I personally wanted to see what it was like. It is the best rom I have used for speed without any lagfix. People have started flashing phones since I have been a member with no experience...it is going to stay that way. It hasn't just started with cm.
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True, but while every ROM has its share of issues, I see more posts from people who tried to flash CM7 and had it go horribly wrong than any other. It is a completely different animal as far as flashing goes.

(Q)ICS rom

In theory wouldn't we be able to take an ics Rom from the prime, get drivers working for our tegra to achieve hardware acceleration? Not completely sure of the differences between both devices other than the processor.
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It would take time in order for developers to translate the drivers.
Put it this way. It would be quicker, and easier, to wait even a month for the TF101 to receive ICS rather than trying to translate from the Prime to the TF101.
Rumor mill has it that the TF101 will be receiving ICS at the end of the month.

I heard a rumor about an ICS rom already out there on the web, but that's just a rumor. You have to ask yourself if it's worth it to risk your tablet's life or just wait a month. Don't do like me...

Fellas, they're already working on porting the Motorola xoom's ICS over to the TF101 as we speak. Working out a few bugs now, could possibly be here before the official ICS build if noobs will quit asking them how to flash the unfinished product and other development-unrelated questions (in other words, have a peek, but don't bug the big guys at work )
BTW TF201 has the Tegra 3, while Xoom has a tegra 2..much easier to port from what I understand..so don't hold your breath on the Prime's ICS coming to roost on your OG TF any time soon..

I saw something from Asus that said we won't be getting it until February. I'll be looking forward to the Xoom port!

brando56894 said:
I saw something from Asus that said we won't be getting it until February. I'll be looking forward to the Xoom port!
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I personnally think it's stupid to take risks to get what you can get in one month, in a more adapted way. Who knows! Maybe you'll end up bricking your device...

Xoom has most of the same hardware....so they're just taking the items that aren't for our device and replacing them with proper drivers.
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Horclok said:
I personnally think it's stupid to take risks to get what you can get in one month, in a more adapted way. Who knows! Maybe you'll end up bricking your device...
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For one, it isn't a risk once the devs have gotten it right to flash if you know what you are doing, there will have been 100 people who flashed the ROM repeatedly while testing before you ever gt your hands on it.
Second point- the official ICS update will almost surely take some time to Root, if your device wasn't rooted before the update, and no such problem will exist with a dev ICS ROM since it will be rooted in the source.
Final point- ICS is ICS, if the hardware works, and software functions, there isn't much difference between the official build and a ported build, except for the ported build is at the mercy of the devs to put whatever goodies and extras the official ICS build didn't include..
ICS official = wait and get stuck without root
ICS dev ROM = be here soon and have root + extras.
Which one do you prefer now?

Horclok said:
I personnally think it's stupid to take risks to get what you can get in one month, in a more adapted way. Who knows! Maybe you'll end up bricking your device...
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Outside of proprietary hardware drivers, I have yet to see an OEM ROM exceed performance of a community ROM. OEMs have nowhere near the amount of people working on their ROMs as a community version, and nowhere near the amount of eyes checking for bugs.
Cheers!
-M
Xda member since 2007

luna_c666 said:
For one, it isn't a risk once the devs have gotten it right to flash if you know what you are doing, there will have been 100 people who flashed the ROM repeatedly while testing before you ever gt your hands on it.
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There is always a risk when you flash a rom, always. Now I had your opinion before I bricked my device, and I knew what I was doing. Then again, you have to choose between security and variety.

dragon_76 said:
Outside of proprietary hardware drivers, I have yet to see an OEM ROM exceed performance of a community ROM. OEMs have nowhere near the amount of people working on their ROMs as a community version, and nowhere near the amount of eyes checking for bugs.
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This is so true. Even if the OTA ICS update were to be released, I would still wait for a Dev to mess around with it before I updated. Call me crazy, but I'm not a fan of OEM skins and their performance is always lacking.

Horclok said:
There is always a risk when you flash a rom, always. Now I had your opinion before I bricked my device, and I knew what I was doing. Then again, you have to choose between security and variety.
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How did you get a brick? Flash failed halfway through or something? I've probably flashed 100 ROMs, from xbox to android, the only device I ever bricked was a windows phone, and its just soft bricked now. I didn't know what I was doing with that thing...I've had plenty of close calls don't get me wrong, heck I lifted up a trace on my xbox motherboard and had to repair it on the spot with solder within 10 minutes or the clock-capacitor would have discharged forcing me into clock-loops (death for an xbox)..'know what you're doing' has very different levels of complexity
There is always a risk, to be sure, I should have worded myself better. But the same amount of risk as any ROM, not specific to this one..I've never heard of an OTA update failing and bricking a device, but I'm sure it can happen as well..anytime you are flashing onboard firmware there's always a chance something can go wrong. I was just saying that a Dev rom will have been flashed and booted and reflashed 100 or 1000 times by the devs during the build process before any of us 'outsiders' gets a taste of it. In my opinion, that's about as risk-free as it gets with modding these things..and in the end, who is going to upgrade to ICS without wanting it rooted? At least, who on this site?
I feel much more confident loading an already rooted ICS rom from the community than I do flashing the OTA update and wondering if I'm going to lose root/recovery etc. It is a personal opinion though..

luna_c666 said:
I feel much more confident loading an already rooted ICS rom from the community than I do flashing the OTA update and wondering if I'm going to lose root/recovery etc. It is a personal opinion though..
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This.
OEM updates of any kind are more known for borking a system than a community version and again, it is because there are many more eyes on a community version. OEM versions are seen as a necessary evil for them. The life cycle of the product is usually over or already over and they do not want to devote any resources to an endeavour that now only costs money instead of makes money.
Asus may be a little different with the TF101 because they still are selling a fair amount of them. Best Buy still keeps restocking the 16GB version and with the TF201 problems they may push the TF101 as a sort of "budget premium" since ICS completely re-invigorates older hardware (my Atrix is running an alpha build without OC and GPU accel and it is just as smooth as full GPU and OC).
I still plan on waiting for Gnufabio's ICS Revolver release.
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-M
Xda member since 2007

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I still plan on waiting for Gnufabio's ICS Revolver release.7
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I just tingled at the thought.
ICS does breathe a lot of new life in to old hardware. My old Incredible runs it fairly smoothly, just laggs a bit on transitions. But it did make me more interested in my old phone.

Is there a Stable ROM?

Been using the bullet proof rom since I got this phone about 10 months ago, as much as I would like to switch to something better, I cant because it looks like almost every rom available is pre-alpha pre-beta, comes with a bunch of things not working, or has battery issues.
I know the Doubleshot isnt a popular phone, but this is really starting to suck. Seems to me that someone decides to build a new rom, makes a few updates over 2-3 months, then completely abandons the project due to getting a new phone. Wash, rinse and repeat.
Id love to have a cyanogenmod 7 mod, yet alone 9 for this phone, or even a stock ICS 4.04 rom, but it doesnt look like its ever going to happen with this phone. I think this will be the last HTC phone I buy, ive had 3 of them (one was WinMo 6.0) and none of them had official updates. All I can do now is watch people post a ROM, provide a few updates, then completely abandon the project.
What is the most stable ICS or CM9 rom available? Cause I sure as hell dont see it in the developers forum.

Well....you COULD look about 5 posts below this one and get a clue or two. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1858512
But if you missed that one I can certainly see why the hell you "missed" anything you might like over in the Developer's Section. The real beauty of Android is you can just say "To HELL with the official updates". KWIM?

Usually reading through what others post about a ROM helps make the choice in what to flash. Seems how there are a few recent threads with almost this exact thing I take it your not the reading type? Just because something is labeled alpha or beta does not mean their not stable enough for a daily driver, it just means not everything works. 90% of our "dev threads" are ROMS you would never see ( ie from a different device ) so having them 90% functional, only missing features from the other device ( because ours can't do them ) is great development.
Blue was kind enough to post system.img and boot.img from the latest ota ( links could be shot because of a goo crash ) and dsi made the dsixda kitchen that will cook them images into a rooted Stock ROM. The kitchen will need a file added to tools/edify_defs ( its a script that allows the kitchen to know the partition locations of your device ) because he dropped support a while ago, but it works great as a tool. So you could always start there and once you get some things under your belt you could jump in and lend a hand in this long term support you are seeking?
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I do think that people arrive at your conclusions due to three main reasons:
- The misunderstanding that developers are doing this for the users. ( some may, by far most are not)
- The user mentality of owning a smart phone. You want to have this device as long as you can, and get the most out of it.
Most devs see it another way. They want to stay on the cutting edge and try to break new ground. Regardless of how awesome a device is at launch, you are still looking at a limited window of time before it's old hat.
I think that more and more you will be seeing devs moving on more quickly due to the commercial success of the smart phone. Not just an expensive device for a few, anymore they are a dime a dozen for the many.
I've owned 3 doubleshots, still have two. Have an SGSIII, and am thinking about picking up one of the SGSIII international models.
...and that is fast becoming the M.O. of development. Squeeze out whatever learning you can until you benefit more from newer hardware.
Some devs will work on a device until it's about to or just starting to lose it's resale value so they can minimize the move forward.
- The third - and arguably most important reason - is the average user has no idea how much time, effort but most of all frustration goes into working on a device.
Especially for newer devs. For every one accomplishment, there are many, many failures. Failures that may have taken days of almost around the clock work. Failures that - in order to reach - took the place of spending time with friends, significant others or social gatherings. Giving up that day with your friends at the beach just to spend the whole time working on something that not only doesn't work, but even the parts of it you can salvage aren't useful.
This is what learning is like when you are the steward of your own education. You have to make sacrifices like ignoring your friends and family, cutting down on work hours, blowing off your girlfriend for a box with a screen.
Guess what - that whole graphics project for bulletproof that resulted in a 3 part tutorial? A 70 something hour bender where I walked away from the machine twice for less then ten minutes a pop for a quick bathroom break and to make some ramen noodles.
It was ramen noodles because I stopped working for a few months to learn android and build stuff for the doubleshot. Pennies can only be pinched so far.
...and I can't tell you how much I despise and hate actually doing graphics work. It makes me agitated and angry.
But ya know what? I did it to show what could be done and generate tutorials so other people could do it and free me to do other things, yet still enjoy the visual entertainment/enhancements the community would bring.
...and I was let down, in a big way. No one else really got into doing it. No one else invested the time to make graphical mods to. apk files we have or to sense. ( no slight to the very few of you that did)
You've had this phone for ten months, where are your roms, mods or graphical enhancements and stuff?
You argue that so few get involved - yet you do little to help.
This device was my first step into the dev ring. If I can be as successful at it - no reason you can't too. If you'd rather spend time doing other things, well, you never will learn to dev.
These kind of threads are disheartening. The community survives and thrives through your participation. By not pitching in to help, you are forcing the few that do to bear the weight of all forward development for the device.
Don't complain that we few are burnt out when you can't count yourself amongst us.
This division is one you highlight, while we try to eliminate. Come to our side and help out.
Bulletproof had over 2,000 downloads when I checked last back in march/april. No one used it as a springboard to build on?
At the end of the day...
elister said:
What is the most stable ICS or CM9 rom available? Cause I sure as hell dont see it in the developers forum.
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... it's waiting for you to make it.

WeekendsR2Short said:
Well....you COULD look about 5 posts below this one and get a clue or two. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1858512
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Oh I saw that, but i'll pass on an alpha build, need something stable, plus im not sure what version of Android thats even based on.

WeekendsR2Short said:
Well....you COULD look about 5 posts below this one and get a clue or two. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1858512
But if you missed that one I can certainly see why the hell you "missed" anything you might like over in the Developer's Section. The real beauty of Android is you can just say "To HELL with the official updates". KWIM?
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strapped365 said:
Usually reading through what others post about a ROM helps make the choice in what to flash. Seems how there are a few recent threads with almost this exact thing I take it your not the reading type? Just because something is labeled alpha or beta does not mean their not stable enough for a daily driver, it just means not everything works. 90% of our "dev threads" are ROMS you would never see ( ie from a different device ) so having them 90% functional, only missing features from the other device ( because ours can't do them ) is great development.
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When I see a rom posted in the developers forum, if its based on ICS 4.0 or better, all I do is read the what works and what doesnt work section. For a long time it seemed almost every rom had problems with the SD card being used as a USB Flash drive (meaning I would have to disconnect the SDHC, connect to reader just to copy files). Now the problems tend to either be camera related (which I absolutely need) or battery issues in which it gets hot or drains faster.
So way early on, I was reading through pages upon pages of posts to see if problems get resolved (which often they dont unless they post another build), but now I just read the first page to get to the details (to see whats not working in the rom), then pass when there are too many things not working.
I kinda like the official update, because they tend to be stable.

elister said:
Oh I saw that, but i'll pass on an alpha build, need something stable, plus im not sure what version of Android thats even based on.
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U need to lower you rom standards or make the perfect cm9/ics rom. I had a problem with our device not having enough roms until someone explained to me that we don't need 20 diff cm7 roms or 10 diff ics roms. Our devs do a good job so we don't need those the amount of roms we have is good look at the older smartphones and their roms. U see they are not up to date. (Like most of ours)
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U need to lower you rom standards or make the perfect cm9/ics rom. I had a problem with our device not having enough roms until someone explained to me that we don't need 20 diff cm7 roms or 10 diff ics roms. Our devs do a good job so we don't need those the amount of roms we have is good look at the older smartphones and their roms. U see they are not up to date. (Like most of ours)
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lower your rom standards?
i totally agree with the op. i'm not complaining about the great work the devs are doing. they're doing what they do because they love it and that's great. but every rom has issues in the "doesn't work" section and there's no reason us users shouldn't be asking for a rom with nothing left that doesn't work. i mean that should be everyones goal, right?
if there was a single rom with no known issues, i'd be on it in a heart beat. especially a sense-less one. i'd even take gingerbread if it was no known issues.
and as for "we don't need 20 different cm7 roms and 10 different ics roms" ... of course we don't. i'd like to see ONE of each that's fully working.

polarbearmc said:
lower your rom standards?
i totally agree with the op. i'm not complaining about the great work the devs are doing. they're doing what they do because they love it and that's great. but every rom has issues in the "doesn't work" section and there's no reason us users shouldn't be asking for a rom with nothing left that doesn't work. i mean that should be everyones goal, right?
if there was a single rom with no known issues, i'd be on it in a heart beat. especially a sense-less one. i'd even take gingerbread if it was no known issues.
and as for "we don't need 20 different cm7 roms and 10 different ics roms" ... of course we don't. i'd like to see ONE of each that's fully working.
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Yes thats the goal but if theyve released the rom with 1 or 2 problems then why should it be a problem. I use virtuous infinty and has 2 problems thats it. Dont quote me but i dont think there is a PERFECT ROM. Because again it is a rom not made by the company but our devs. And then again the roms our devs make have less serious problems than the ones companies have
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polarbearmc said:
lower your rom standards?
i totally agree with the op. i'm not complaining about the great work the devs are doing. they're doing what they do because they love it and that's great. but every rom has issues in the "doesn't work" section and there's no reason us users shouldn't be asking for a rom with nothing left that doesn't work. i mean that should be everyones goal, right?
if there was a single rom with no known issues, i'd be on it in a heart beat. especially a sense-less one. i'd even take gingerbread if it was no known issues.
and as for "we don't need 20 different cm7 roms and 10 different ics roms" ... of course we don't. i'd like to see ONE of each that's fully working.
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Then you get the invite to either put up some work, or fall back to the shadows. You guys asking for stuff we do for free in our free time sucks. And to see how unappreciated we are. If we pulled all links everyone that's whining now would be in tears
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Then you get the invite to either put up some work, or fall back to the shadows. You guys asking for stuff we do for free in our free time sucks. And to see how unappreciated we are. If we pulled all links everyone that's whining now would be in tears
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EXACTLY. I'm not a dev but this is what I did not want to happen but seems like nobody can agree
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For those that haven't taken the time to READ to see what others are saying about how a ROM works......well there is no excuse for you and IMHO have no business saying a word about anything. If a person is so smart that they know how things SHOULD work but can't even figure out a few commands in ADB & how to make it work then you're getting things backasswards. Just download it, evaluate it and if you don't expend the friggin' TIME to read then just STFU!
What you're showing is ABSOLUTELY NO RESPECT for the vast amounts of time and effort these developers have sat at home alone into the wee hours of the morning LEARNING by trial & error and collaboration among themselves for their OWN betterment. NOT FOR OURS!!! We are ALL damn lucky that they see fit to share ANYTHING with ANY of us and ask for nothing more that a little honest feedback and an occasional THANK YOU!
now....off my friggin' soapbox

polarbearmc said:
lower your rom standards?
there's no reason us users shouldn't be asking for a rom with nothing left that doesn't work. i mean that should be everyones goal, right?
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We shouldn't be asking unless we can help in some way, shape or form. As you said, all the devs are doing what they can though we may not be aware of it. Look at how much time Blue put in Bulletproof alone. Kudos Blue!!!
If you want a ROM with no known issues, it exists! Go back to STOCK! LoL One of each ROM that's fully working will not happen because of the reasons that Blue listed and I agree with him completely. And the term "lower your ROM standards" is very fitting to me. It doesn't mean settle for less, but more so just pick the ROM that best suits you. They are there.
My DD right now is MikXE for various reasons and I've never had a single problem with it...at all. I don't use WiFi tethering or WiFi calling but those are features important to some(now I'd LOVE for just 1 feature to be added to it *cough* screenoffmusiccontrol Strapped *cough* LoL), but if it doesn't I'm not going to die. Already perfect in my eyes and I love it the way it is! And Blue's Bulletproof is flawless, everything works!
If a person doesn't like reading then XDA isn't the place to be. Sometimes within the thread there are tips shown that will fix some issues within the ROM that one might not know existed without reading. Then, in other threads there are ways to tweak things to get certain features working in the ROM that may show as not working in the OP...sometimes! Either way, if we want EVERY single feature on the phone working (Even the ones we don't use?) then Stock/Bulletproof is the only way to go. Otherwise, just get a new phone...?
Makes no sense feeling we deserve better for our phones when we have better, but just not up to "our standards". What the devs do...is FREE! As Strapped mentioned, if we had none of these ROMs/Threads, what would we do then? I for one sure as hell don't want to find out!

WELL SAID!!!!

Threads like this sincerely make me sick. I'm an end user ONLY for lack of a viable machine to build on... Somehow i figure building roms on the device isn't feasible (haha!) But my first reaction to this thread was "don't flame the guy don't flame the guy."
These developers have taken what some people get paid to do and enhanced it to almost an art form where they are singularly doing the job that entire DEVELOPMENT teams get paid to do for MONTHS at a time and you have a developer like XMC working on 4 roms at a time AND a kernel and whatever else AND a real job and school or whatever. Seriously if they aren't doing enough for you then code your own dream rom or run miktouch (which ran off stock kernel PERFECTLY for me for the first three months I was rooted).
Besides... What is stable for me might not be for you, or for any of the other end users here. I've ran MikXE, Vanillabean, MikMIUI, CM9 alphas 2-6, Paranoid Android and am currently running Virtuous Infinity alpha 2. ALL have been more than stable enough to function for me with a few quirks... Given i don't depend on Wifi as much as some, but still. Everyone makes a huge deal out of 1080 camcorder but seriously on this screen nobody can tell a resolution difference. I needed gps to work well and calling to work... I was a pizza delivery guy so that was what I needed to be stable.
Seriously to the OP - IF you aren't brave enough to try roms and see what works for you (seeing as how i've had ZERO of the reported bugs i've seen on most of the roms i have run) then stfu and do us all a favor and go back to stock or get a nexus and have a good time. There you can have 50 versions of everything you could ever want to ***** about. OR become a viable member of this great team and contribute. Help test the roms because stability is only a NAND away.
*steps off my soapbox*
And to answer the subject question:
There are plenty of stable roms to choose from. Most every rom here can be used as a daily driver... It just comes down to what YOU can live with as far as bugs go... After all stock had that battery getting really hot "bug" didn't it?
Wifi disconnecting with screen off without an app seems so inconsequential compared to a bug that can fry your device, right? Lets not forget that i've been testing roms and kernels that might've fried my device with only a G1 as a backup LOL.
Oh yeah... And in case you guys missed it...
TBalden, Kornyone, XMC-Wildchild,Strapped365, Sun_Dream, Blue and the rest... You guys kick ass. Let me know if you're ever in Bama and i'll buy you all a beer or several. And... Welcome riyal as well! You have taken my doubleshot from stock hell to the ecstasy that is whatever os i feel like running at any given time.
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Well to tell all the ICS ROMs around here should have been stable already only if we were given ICS updates. Problem is we were not and developers recycle CM source code or ROMs from other HTC devices praying that most of them would work to bring up ICS on our device. Ok that's fine but there are propriety files still missing or incompatible drivers which makes the bugs. Unless some dev would put his life in reverse engineering the missing drivers and stuffs we wouldn't be expecting any stable ICS ROMs here.
@onebornoflight
what did I do? Lol I'm no doubleshot developer yet I'm still at the learning stage just owning this device for almost just a week now. Didn't provide any development stuffs yet

Riyal said:
@onebornoflight
what did I do? Lol I'm no doubleshot developer yet I'm still at the learning stage just owning this device for almost just a week now. Didn't provide any development stuffs yet
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You have started contributing - that kernel in the virtuous beta post is a contribution - see you HAVE provided dev type stuff...
Or would you prefer to be unincluded LOL?
And welcome btw!
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I used a hasoon toolkit to root my phone and all that clockwork stuff... and the I used a tool to fastboot the cm9 boot.img..and then flashed the cm9 rom by kornyone.. ITS AWESOME... ICS FTW ON MT4GS....Ifeel like I got a new phone the rom is stable there is literally only one thing wrong with it and that's the front camera is upside down when using gtalk vid chat....but that doesn't matter... its still awesomely awesome
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jesusjv95 said:
I used a hasoon toolkit to root my phone and all that clockwork stuff... and the I used a tool to fastboot the cm9 boot.img..and then flashed the cm9 rom by kornyone.. ITS AWESOME... ICS FTW ON MT4GS....Ifeel like I got a new phone the rom is stable there is literally only one thing wrong with it and that's the front camera is upside down when using gtalk vid chat....but that doesn't matter... its still awesomely awesome
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Crap.... There's a fix for that somewhere in another kernel I think. I can't remember which one though.
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onebornoflight said:
Crap.... There's a fix for that somewhere in another kernel I think. I can't remember which one though.
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Its fixed in the latest alphas, should also be fixed in the latest "stable". But run alpha 5 its the most stable. Overall
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Blaze 4G Modem

Flashed this modem based on reports that it would improve 4G speeds and reception. Now my phone refuses to connect to data at ALL. Going to re-flash old modem. Wanted to see if anyone else has heard of this, or if I missed something other than flashing the zip from CWM?

Check your APN settings. New modems are installed by flashing a zip in CWM. You got it right.

orange808 said:
Check your APN settings. New modems are installed by flashing a zip in CWM. You got it right.
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That was the first thing I checked. Everything looked fine. Went back and flashed the KD1 modem. Works great but not nearly like the claims of the blaze modem. I feel like it's an elaborate hoax.

jcurtiswood said:
That was the first thing I checked. Everything looked fine. Went back and flashed the KD1 modem. Works great but not nearly like the claims of the blaze modem. I feel like it's an elaborate hoax.
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<shrug>
People see what they want to see.

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People see what they want to see.
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Just mean that I tried several times to flash the zip and each time it zapped my connectivity. I compared the hashes and it downloaded correctly. Not sure what the problem is.

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Just mean that I tried several times to flash the zip and each time it zapped my connectivity. I compared the hashes and it downloaded correctly. Not sure what the problem is.
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I meant people see what they want to see when they mod their phones.
Not being able to use this modem isn't costing you much in the way of performance. The stock KJ2 was more reliable (at least in my area). The biggest bottleneck to network performance is on t-mo's end. In theory, this phone should see better speeds as they upgrade the network itself.
Do you have connectivity problems with roms that have this modem baked in?

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I meant people see what they want to see when they mod their phones.
Not being able to use this modem isn't costing you much in the way of performance. The stock KJ2 was more reliable (at least in my area). The biggest bottleneck to network performance is on t-mo's end. In theory, this phone should see better speeds as they upgrade the network itself.
Do you have connectivity problems with roms that have this modem baked in?
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Oh I gotcha. I'm about to switch over ROMs from GG3.8 to something else. I haven't been too happy with any of the custom ROMs I've found on here. Most of them are only supported for 2 weeks before the devs go A.D.D. and start making something else. The few that have survived the longest have changed hands so many times that I worry about all of the overlooked problems and inherited glitches in code that may never get worked out. I wish someone would actually work on developing, rather than minor tweaks and skins. Most of the ROMs are copies of other ROMs but with new skins baked in.
I haven't noticed any huge problems with ROMs using the KJ2 modem other than low signal strength. I know that it was mostly on Tmo's end of things, but I figured any little boost I can get would help as I live in a somewhat rural area.

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Oh I gotcha. I'm about to switch over ROMs from GG3.8 to something else. I haven't been too happy with any of the custom ROMs I've found on here. Most of them are only supported for 2 weeks before the devs go A.D.D. and start making something else. The few that have survived the longest have changed hands so many times that I worry about all of the overlooked problems and inherited glitches in code that may never get worked out. I wish someone would actually work on developing, rather than minor tweaks and skins. Most of the ROMs are copies of other ROMs but with new skins baked in.
I haven't noticed any huge problems with ROMs using the KJ2 modem other than low signal strength. I know that it was mostly on Tmo's end of things, but I figured any little boost I can get would help as I live in a somewhat rural area.
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What can I tell ya...if it's so easy I'd like to see you sit down and come up with something new. If you don't want to wait until bhundven finishes all the hard work he is doing for us, just buy another phone and jump to another section of xda, dude.
I'll be retiring from the custom rom thing, anyway. Good luck and take care!

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btw, the roms for this phone do suck. sadly this phone never got any really good developers it would seem. it had a few good ones but they all left because this phone sucks.

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???....hahaha!
Annnnyway.... sorry for being rude. It is frustrating to run into those limitations with this phone.
Believe me... if I had a good computer, I'd be hacking the source and compiling.
Once again, I apologize. That was wrong of me.
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btw, the roms for this phone do suck. sadly this phone never got any really good developers it would seem. it had a few good ones but they all left because this phone sucks.
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Thanks for your input. Of course they suck. We made the roms suck on purpose just to annoy you. Lol.
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Well, I certainly hope you never publish any apps with that thin skin. You should see the reviews that devs have to read through..
Have a good one.

orange808 said:
Well, I certainly hope you never publish any apps with that thin skin. You should see the reviews that devs have to read through..
Have a good one.
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Hahaha....I'm back. New and improved Joker product. With a new secret ingredient: Smylex

RicAndroid said:
What can I tell ya...if it's so easy I'd like to see you sit down and come up with something new. If you don't want to wait until bhundven finishes all the hard work he is doing for us, just buy another phone and jump to another section of xda, dude.
I'll be retiring from the custom rom thing, anyway. Good luck and take care!
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I'm sorry. I didn't meant to offend. I've tried several ROMs, a few of them you've worked on. A lot of them I've really enjoyed for a while. What I've found is that a lot of modifications to the firmware and kernel have had negative effects on the stability of each ROM. Almost all I've tried have had trouble with radio dormancy - switching from WIFI to 4G have prevented the radio reactivating - forcing me to reboot often.
At one point, several "developers" have had multiple ROMs going at once. This can be done if one keeps considerable documentation for each project. If not, though, how the hell can you juggle that many projects without making considerable mistakes?
I've seen good work done by a lot of the devs on here, so I'm not bashing. But support for each ROM only lasts about two weeks MAX and then they cook some new ROM without fixing the previous one - and the cycle repeats all over again. It takes Android fragmentation to the extreme.
Take my criticism as an insult if you want, but it was only intended as a critique of the dev environment in general.
Currently I'm rolling stock KJ2, rooted, with all of the useless bloat removed.

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I'm sorry. I didn't meant to offend. I've tried several ROMs, a few of them you've worked on. A lot of them I've really enjoyed for a while. What I've found is that a lot of modifications to the firmware and kernel have had negative effects on the stability of each ROM. Almost all I've tried have had trouble with radio dormancy - switching from WIFI to 4G have prevented the radio reactivating - forcing me to reboot often.
At one point, several "developers" have had multiple ROMs going at once. This can be done if one keeps considerable documentation for each project. If not, though, how the hell can you juggle that many projects without making considerable mistakes?
I've seen good work done by a lot of the devs on here, so I'm not bashing. But support for each ROM only lasts about two weeks MAX and then they cook some new ROM without fixing the previous one - and the cycle repeats all over again. It takes Android fragmentation to the extreme.
Take my criticism as an insult if you want, but it was only intended as a critique of the dev environment in general.
Currently I'm rolling stock KJ2, rooted, with all of the useless bloat removed.
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Nah...no insult taken. My bad for being overly sensitive. I have noticed that the firmware on this phone just doesn't react very well to alterations.
Any slight deviation from the original structure just causes slight bugs and boot loops. My wife has a G2X with CyanogenMod 7.2 and it is so much more flexible.
I tried many experiments with init.d scripts to increase app storage, which work on the G2X BTW, with resulted in epic fails.
Let's see what bhundven can do to make this phone into what it should be.
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RicAndroid said:
Nah...no insult taken. My bad for being overly sensitive. I have noticed that the firmware on this phone just doesn't react very well to alterations.
Any slight deviation from the original structure just causes slight bugs and boot loops. My wife has a G2X with CyanogenMod 7.2 and it is so much more flexible.
I tried many experiments with init.d scripts to increase app storage, which work on the G2X BTW, with resulted in epic fails.
Let's see what bhundven can do to make this phone into what it should be.
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I'm hoping that he can hack something together. Else I think I'm just going to save up some cash and upgrade. If we could just get a GB equivalent version of CM on here I'd be set! Just missing out on a lot of good apps because I don't have the cash to drop on a new phone for a while. College student financials, you know what I mean?

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I'm hoping that he can hack something together. Else I think I'm just going to save up some cash and upgrade. If we could just get a GB equivalent version of CM on here I'd be set! Just missing out on a lot of good apps because I don't have the cash to drop on a new phone for a while. College student financials, you know what I mean?
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That would be CM 7. That would be great but I'll be happy with CM 6.2. Yeah, it's still Froyo but at least the foundation would be set. It'll clean up the mess and the development would increase substantially.
It's weird. When you look at this hardware and compare it to the Nexus S and the Epic 4G, it is just so similar. I use the Epic themes and it just matches up perfectly. There is no doubt that JB would run on this without any problems.
I also cannot afford a new phone right now. Our day will arrive... and when it does, this phone will be almost like the Relay.
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RicAndroid said:
That would be CM 7. That would be great but I'll be happy with CM 6.2. Yeah, it's still Froyo but at least the foundation would be set. It'll clean up the mess and the development would increase substantially.
It's weird. When you look at this hardware and compare it to the Nexus S and the Epic 4G, it is just so similar. I use the Epic themes and it just matches up perfectly. There is no doubt that JB would run on this without any problems.
I also cannot afford a new phone right now. Our day will arrive... and when it does, this phone will be almost like the Relay.
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When your contract is up, call T-mo and let them know they sold you a "T-Mobile" BRANDED product. You bought the T-Mobile Sidekick 4G and you got stuck with crummy software. They allowed you to be abandoned in Samsung Touchwiz hades. Now, I'm not worrying about "how a dev devs", but AOSP isn't happening. Just get a Relay. If you explain what happened to you, they will probably cut you a sweetheart deal. Keep your Sidekick around and you can still use the keyboard to hack out code, write, and surf message boards on WiFi.

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When your contract is up, call T-mo and let them know they sold you a "T-Mobile" BRANDED product. You bought the T-Mobile Sidekick 4G and you got stuck with crummy software. They allowed you to be abandoned in Samsung Touchwiz hades. Now, I'm not worrying about "how a dev devs", but AOSP isn't happening. Just get a Relay. If you explain what happened to you, they will probably cut you a sweetheart deal. Keep your Sidekick around and you can still use the keyboard to hack out code, write, and surf message boards on WiFi.
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At the moment I got this phone, I was trying to decide between this and the myTouch 4G Slide. I was attracted to the full qwerty layout and was impressed with ayoteddy's work.
I look back now and regret not spending the extra cash. I still like the Sidekick but find myself hiding it from my coworkers at the T-Mobile call center here in Puerto Rico.
They are flaunting their Galaxies and HTCs running CyanogenMod 10....and I'm here with themes. LoL.
I will have a one year discount coming up and will take your advice. It is ashame that Samsung have clueless tools responding to emails so sending complaints would be pointless.
I am not losing faith in bhundven, however. He may be able to make this phone rise from the ashes.
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Just as a note for other Sidekick owners, I specifically asked the T-Mo rep I spoke to about selling a phone with a two year contract tha wasn't actually viable for two years. Froyo literally destroys your options on the Play Store and I have been forced to use old versions of almost every app on my device--just to get combatibility and stability. Considering I went through the additional effort of partially porting my own AOSP, I think I did everything I could... Maybe I came up short because I didn't spend enough time and maybe I could have given up more free time, but that's not really fair. I should have gotten Gingerbread. That was my case for an extra discount on my Relay.

RicAndroid said:
At the moment I got this phone, I was trying to decide between this and the myTouch 4G Slide. I was attracted to the full qwerty layout and was impressed with ayoteddy's work.
I look back now and regret not spending the extra cash. I still like the Sidekick but find myself hiding it from my coworkers at the T-Mobile call center here in Puerto Rico.
They are flaunting their Galaxies and HTCs running CyanogenMod 10....and I'm here with themes. LoL.
I will have a one year discount coming up and will take your advice. It is ashame that Samsung have clueless tools responding to emails so sending complaints would be pointless.
I am not losing faith in bhundven, however. He may be able to make this phone rise from the ashes.
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I spoke to bhundven, if any work gets done on it, it's gonna be sometime. He's got life to deal with. I told him to hold onto it until he manages to come across some time. No rushes. We're lucky this forum didn't end up in legacy devices after all. We had AdamOutler and krylon360 work on our phone. So we weren't left in the dark like some phones for companies like MetroPCS.