In theory wouldn't we be able to take an ics Rom from the prime, get drivers working for our tegra to achieve hardware acceleration? Not completely sure of the differences between both devices other than the processor.
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It would take time in order for developers to translate the drivers.
Put it this way. It would be quicker, and easier, to wait even a month for the TF101 to receive ICS rather than trying to translate from the Prime to the TF101.
Rumor mill has it that the TF101 will be receiving ICS at the end of the month.
I heard a rumor about an ICS rom already out there on the web, but that's just a rumor. You have to ask yourself if it's worth it to risk your tablet's life or just wait a month. Don't do like me...
Fellas, they're already working on porting the Motorola xoom's ICS over to the TF101 as we speak. Working out a few bugs now, could possibly be here before the official ICS build if noobs will quit asking them how to flash the unfinished product and other development-unrelated questions (in other words, have a peek, but don't bug the big guys at work )
BTW TF201 has the Tegra 3, while Xoom has a tegra 2..much easier to port from what I understand..so don't hold your breath on the Prime's ICS coming to roost on your OG TF any time soon..
I saw something from Asus that said we won't be getting it until February. I'll be looking forward to the Xoom port!
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I saw something from Asus that said we won't be getting it until February. I'll be looking forward to the Xoom port!
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I personnally think it's stupid to take risks to get what you can get in one month, in a more adapted way. Who knows! Maybe you'll end up bricking your device...
Xoom has most of the same hardware....so they're just taking the items that aren't for our device and replacing them with proper drivers.
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I personnally think it's stupid to take risks to get what you can get in one month, in a more adapted way. Who knows! Maybe you'll end up bricking your device...
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For one, it isn't a risk once the devs have gotten it right to flash if you know what you are doing, there will have been 100 people who flashed the ROM repeatedly while testing before you ever gt your hands on it.
Second point- the official ICS update will almost surely take some time to Root, if your device wasn't rooted before the update, and no such problem will exist with a dev ICS ROM since it will be rooted in the source.
Final point- ICS is ICS, if the hardware works, and software functions, there isn't much difference between the official build and a ported build, except for the ported build is at the mercy of the devs to put whatever goodies and extras the official ICS build didn't include..
ICS official = wait and get stuck without root
ICS dev ROM = be here soon and have root + extras.
Which one do you prefer now?
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I personnally think it's stupid to take risks to get what you can get in one month, in a more adapted way. Who knows! Maybe you'll end up bricking your device...
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Outside of proprietary hardware drivers, I have yet to see an OEM ROM exceed performance of a community ROM. OEMs have nowhere near the amount of people working on their ROMs as a community version, and nowhere near the amount of eyes checking for bugs.
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-M
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For one, it isn't a risk once the devs have gotten it right to flash if you know what you are doing, there will have been 100 people who flashed the ROM repeatedly while testing before you ever gt your hands on it.
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There is always a risk when you flash a rom, always. Now I had your opinion before I bricked my device, and I knew what I was doing. Then again, you have to choose between security and variety.
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Outside of proprietary hardware drivers, I have yet to see an OEM ROM exceed performance of a community ROM. OEMs have nowhere near the amount of people working on their ROMs as a community version, and nowhere near the amount of eyes checking for bugs.
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This is so true. Even if the OTA ICS update were to be released, I would still wait for a Dev to mess around with it before I updated. Call me crazy, but I'm not a fan of OEM skins and their performance is always lacking.
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There is always a risk when you flash a rom, always. Now I had your opinion before I bricked my device, and I knew what I was doing. Then again, you have to choose between security and variety.
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How did you get a brick? Flash failed halfway through or something? I've probably flashed 100 ROMs, from xbox to android, the only device I ever bricked was a windows phone, and its just soft bricked now. I didn't know what I was doing with that thing...I've had plenty of close calls don't get me wrong, heck I lifted up a trace on my xbox motherboard and had to repair it on the spot with solder within 10 minutes or the clock-capacitor would have discharged forcing me into clock-loops (death for an xbox)..'know what you're doing' has very different levels of complexity
There is always a risk, to be sure, I should have worded myself better. But the same amount of risk as any ROM, not specific to this one..I've never heard of an OTA update failing and bricking a device, but I'm sure it can happen as well..anytime you are flashing onboard firmware there's always a chance something can go wrong. I was just saying that a Dev rom will have been flashed and booted and reflashed 100 or 1000 times by the devs during the build process before any of us 'outsiders' gets a taste of it. In my opinion, that's about as risk-free as it gets with modding these things..and in the end, who is going to upgrade to ICS without wanting it rooted? At least, who on this site?
I feel much more confident loading an already rooted ICS rom from the community than I do flashing the OTA update and wondering if I'm going to lose root/recovery etc. It is a personal opinion though..
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I feel much more confident loading an already rooted ICS rom from the community than I do flashing the OTA update and wondering if I'm going to lose root/recovery etc. It is a personal opinion though..
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This.
OEM updates of any kind are more known for borking a system than a community version and again, it is because there are many more eyes on a community version. OEM versions are seen as a necessary evil for them. The life cycle of the product is usually over or already over and they do not want to devote any resources to an endeavour that now only costs money instead of makes money.
Asus may be a little different with the TF101 because they still are selling a fair amount of them. Best Buy still keeps restocking the 16GB version and with the TF201 problems they may push the TF101 as a sort of "budget premium" since ICS completely re-invigorates older hardware (my Atrix is running an alpha build without OC and GPU accel and it is just as smooth as full GPU and OC).
I still plan on waiting for Gnufabio's ICS Revolver release.
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-M
Xda member since 2007
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I still plan on waiting for Gnufabio's ICS Revolver release.7
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I just tingled at the thought.
ICS does breathe a lot of new life in to old hardware. My old Incredible runs it fairly smoothly, just laggs a bit on transitions. But it did make me more interested in my old phone.
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MR2 will be coming via OTA in the next couple of days MR2 has been through four different revisions and will be based on the 1.70.xx code. There are a number of fixes but the most important should be fixing the reboots and improving the 4G/3G transitions.
I know everyone is waiting for GB which is MR3, but it still needs some time. The good news is that it is being worked on it is already on its fifth SW revision.
Awesome. I can wait for GB no problem, I just want a fix for the reboots. I'm sick of my phone rebooting 5+ times a day, happy an update is coming soon.
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OR... you could just scoot on over to the dev forum and pick yourself up a spiffy new rom built on MR2 which is quite solid and fast and will use the same or very similar radios to what will be in the OTA. I tried a couple of them. They are spartan on fancy stuff, but they are reliable if nothing else. Possibly the most functional and reliable roms over there.
Why does someone always have to pop intro threads like this and state the obvious. I'm sure everyone with a Thunderbolt that frequents these forums is aware that rooting and installing a custom rom is an option. Some people have their reasons for wanting to stay stock.
I for one am still stock because this is the first phone I've had in quite a while that the stock rom is quite good. I spent a long time on WinMo, so I am used to custom roms just the make the device functional. Right now custom roms on the TB are mostly just different, not necessarily a huge need to me (GB roms are debatable on this point).
Once the custom roms offer something I want that I can't get from stock (and mature a bit more), I'm sure I'll root and rom. For now I'm enjoying stock stability and a working camera. Just because someone can do something doesn't make it something they need to do.
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Why does someone always have to pop intro threads like this and state the obvious. I'm sure everyone with a Thunderbolt that frequents these forums is aware that rooting and installing a custom rom is an option. Some people have their reasons for wanting to stay stock.
I for one am still stock because this is the first phone I've had in quite a while that the stock rom is quite good. I spent a long time on WinMo, so I am used to custom roms just the make the device functional. Right now custom roms on the TB are mostly just different, not necessarily a huge need to me (GB roms are debatable on this point).
Once the custom roms offer something I want that I can't get from stock (and mature a bit more), I'm sure I'll root and rom. For now I'm enjoying stock stability and a working camera. Just because someone can do something doesn't make it something they need to do.
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My thoughts exactly. Sure I would like to avoid the reboots (given I have had 2 in a 3 week period), and maybe a faster better radio, but the software and sense is so solid.
need bb said:
MR2 will be coming via OTA in the next couple of days MR2 has been through four different revisions and will be based on the 1.70.xx code. There are a number of fixes but the most important should be fixing the reboots and improving the 4G/3G transitions.
I know everyone is waiting for GB which is MR3, but it still needs some time. The good news is that it is being worked on it is already on its fifth SW revision.
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Where did you get this info?
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Where did you get this info?
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Flawed info at that. But anyway
The OP history suggests that assumptions and rumors have been listened to and taken as gospel.
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Why does someone always have to pop intro threads like this and state the obvious. I'm sure everyone with a Thunderbolt that frequents these forums is aware that rooting and installing a custom rom is an option. Some people have their reasons for wanting to stay stock.
I for one am still stock because this is the first phone I've had in quite a while that the stock rom is quite good. I spent a long time on WinMo, so I am used to custom roms just the make the device functional. Right now custom roms on the TB are mostly just different, not necessarily a huge need to me (GB roms are debatable on this point).
Once the custom roms offer something I want that I can't get from stock (and mature a bit more), I'm sure I'll root and rom. For now I'm enjoying stock stability and a working camera. Just because someone can do something doesn't make it something they need to do.
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Bingo.. agreed 100%
Coming from HTC devices like the 8525, ATT Tilt, and Touch Pro 2, Ive just about had my share of ROMs for a lifetime. I just want something that works. After paying all this money, Im gonna let Verizon and HTC do what they're supposed to do.
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Why does someone always have to pop intro threads like this and state the obvious. I'm sure everyone with a Thunderbolt that frequents these forums is aware that rooting and installing a custom rom is an option. Some people have their reasons for wanting to stay stock.
I for one am still stock because this is the first phone I've had in quite a while that the stock rom is quite good. I spent a long time on WinMo, so I am used to custom roms just the make the device functional. Right now custom roms on the TB are mostly just different, not necessarily a huge need to me (GB roms are debatable on this point).
Once the custom roms offer something I want that I can't get from stock (and mature a bit more), I'm sure I'll root and rom. For now I'm enjoying stock stability and a working camera. Just because someone can do something doesn't make it something they need to do.
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I agree with wanting an official update, but the stock rom is far from good. Yes the speed is good but the battery life is horrible. With custom roms I have been able to triple my battery life and limit the random reboots I was getting stock, along with the already good speed being improved. Das BAMF Stripped 1.8
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Why does someone always have to pop intro threads like this and state the obvious. I'm sure everyone with a Thunderbolt that frequents these forums is aware that rooting and installing a custom rom is an option. Some people have their reasons for wanting to stay stock.
I for one am still stock because this is the first phone I've had in quite a while that the stock rom is quite good. I spent a long time on WinMo, so I am used to custom roms just the make the device functional. Right now custom roms on the TB are mostly just different, not necessarily a huge need to me (GB roms are debatable on this point).
Once the custom roms offer something I want that I can't get from stock (and mature a bit more), I'm sure I'll root and rom. For now I'm enjoying stock stability and a working camera. Just because someone can do something doesn't make it something they need to do.
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agreed. So far only 1 reboot in 2 weeks (apparently that is good) and I get occasional instances where home button doesn't want to work.
I just wish the damn thing rebooted faster. It takes almost 2 minutes to boot, then another couple of minutes before sense is responsive.
Coming from the hd7 and 25 second boot times, this is killer...
I also made/used custom roms on my q9c, tp2 and hd2, but want to give stock a chance. Maybe I will root if I decide I need to tether, but so far, things are looking good stock.
Pushed to mid July
Lol enjoy stock
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Pushed to mid July
Lol enjoy stock
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alot of us are. thanks for your concern.
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Flawed info at that. But anyway
The OP history suggests that assumptions and rumors have been listened to and taken as gospel.
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But I read it on the internet, so that has to make it true.
mr2.5 is treating me well and ive had zero reboots. i can wait a bit for the new radio.
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Pushed to mid July
Lol enjoy stock
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#1 how do you know it's been pushed back?
#2 i think most on here and happily enjoying gingerbread but thanks for the concern.
Some documents state we will be getting a removal of free mobile hotspot via ota July 6th . Maybe it will be attached to the update .
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Both the MR2 and the MR2.5 have been a good temporary fix for me, until a new radio is released.
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Not really called for man. Stock, Ropoted Stock Or GB, Does it really matter, lets just help each other instead of some acting like they are better because you are on something besides stock.
Stock runs very well and so do the roms the devs are busting their butts to put out, still doesn't mean we have to knock each other...
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"mr2" we leaked on the forums is NOT mr2. 1.66/1.67/1.68/1.69 will not be MR2.
I can confirm OP's comments on the current "mr2" candidate version number, and give a approximate release of july 6th. With verizon things are given to change, the release date can change, so can the version being released.
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Not really called for man. Stock, Ropoted Stock Or GB, Does it really matter, lets just help each other instead of some acting like they are better because you are on something besides stock.
Stock runs very well and so do the roms the devs are busting their butts to put out, still doesn't mean we have to knock each other...
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His comment was pretty blunt/unhelpful and rude, but there does tend to be some complaining from those that want to have their cake (those that don't want to root) and eat it too (still want updates/workarounds as quick as those that have root).
Those that seem to be frustrated by such things, perhaps android is not the phone for them or at least android phones that are not officially blessed by google (nexus phones).
So its going to be released pretty soon.. what are the odds of the Captivate getting some love?
http://techcrunch.com/2011/10/19/in...axy-nexus-and-ice-cream-sandwich-android-4-0/
Unfortunately, I'm going to have to go with 'Nil.'
The chances are non existent. It just makes business sense for for these updates to take forever. I do understand there are some hardware issues with the updates but in the end the average consumer is going to purchase a new phone or use their upgrade in order to get the latest os. If they keep updating old phones to the newest stuff people would hold onto their phone longer. I mean, ths is the first phone ive ever owned that I could flash custom roms onto. Before this I was locked into the operating system and whatever user interface was on the phone when I purchased it. If I hadnt found this forum or custom roms I would be frustrated by the lack of gingerbread and probably would have used my upgrade by now.
No hope. Most of the features aside from the UI wont work anyways due to not having the hardware (NFC) or lack of CPU and RAM (Camera features).
Just get a nice theme
they have it up and running on fascinates, as of 5AM this morning
We didnt even get official GB and we want ICS.....lol so greedy we people are...
Hell yeah Well rogers got the official gb , but att, com'on, forget about it.
First, do a little more searching. There is alreadya thread open for this topic.
That said, we will never see an official update. Our only hope of seeing it is from a port, courtesy of a device that does get it, or wait on CyagenMod to start on CM9.
Be patient. It'll be ported eventually.
I find it amazing that somone already has it somewhat running on their fascinate. I guess all the great Cappy dev's have jumped ship
Well, i'd be surprised to see ICS for our captivate. Even if cyanogen mod is getting ICS, i probably won't jump because of the superior call quality and slightly (if not better) battery life on captivate ROMs.
I thought there was some sort of court ruling forcing google to push the same version of android to all phones that were capable. I could be talking out of my ass though.
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First, do a little more searching. There is alreadya thread open for this topic.
That said, we will never see an official update. Our only hope of seeing it is from a port, courtesy of a device that does get it, or wait on CyagenMod to start on CM9.
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Um I did? - and even the XDA board didn't give me the topic yet so meh.
And someone has this starting to run on the Fascinate?? The Captivate is THE phone that seems to get the most love besides the Vibrant for this range of devices.
And I don't care how we get it... as long as someone is able to wedge it into the phone.
You know, it's open source.
Any of you asking for it can take a crack at it
I am seriously inexperienced, but this might be a good start to a programming career..
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I thought there was some sort of court ruling forcing google to push the same version of android to all phones that were capable. I could be talking out of my ass though.
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Nope, not even in the ballpark. Google has no legal obligation to any phone. What you are thinking of is how Google made the main phone produces agree to try harder to keep the phones up to date (up to one and a half years past release aka 18months). But that did not extend to the carriers...
Else they have to stop using the "Android" name and Google's apps
leaked from my FUSED SGS I897 contaminating you via XDA app.
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I find it amazing that somone already has it somewhat running on their fascinate. I guess all the great Cappy dev's have jumped ship
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That's a bit harsh don't you think? The Cappy dev's are some of the best ROM developers for that era of android phones.
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That's a bit harsh don't you think? The Cappy dev's are some of the best ROM developers for that era of android phones.
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not mention i've seen them pretty active in the galaxy nexus forums... might be because they have different priorities right now? once they figure out the newest phone they'll be able to come back and help us?
If you actually go poke around the Fascinate forum there's one guy who claims he has it running but hasn't offered any sort of proof. I think he's just looking for attention, but I'd be happy to be proven wrong.
Saving my money for a Galaxy Nexus
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If you actually go poke around the Fascinate forum there's one guy who claims he has it running but hasn't offered any sort of proof. I think he's just looking for attention, but I'd be happy to be proven wrong.
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If he does have it running, it's the SDK release and it will be slow as molasses.
I've read plenty of crap about the G2x and how terrible it can be. Is there a way to tell apart the bad batches from the good ones? Maybe by IMEI? Baseband? OS version?
Thanks!
honestly, ive had my G2x since may? and only problem ive ever had(and still have) is slight screen bleed on my top corners.
other than that, i love and enjoy this phone everyday !
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honestly, ive had my G2x since may? and only problem ive ever had(and still have) is slight screen bleed on my top corners.
other than that, i love and enjoy this phone everyday !
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Agreed. I got my phone off of Craigslist and it's even a winner. This is my favorite phone...of all time, maybe. Came from a Vibrant and I won't own another Samsung product for a while.
No good or bad batches. They all come with junk software which is easy fixed with Nvflasher and a custom rom.
G2x - 2.3.7 CM7
Transformer - 3.2 Revolver OC/UV
OP, do yourself a favor and find a different phone. Honestly, this phone isn't worth the trouble you'll put yourself through. There are better options out there, no need to subject yourself to dealing with the G2X. Perfect example, it's December and they're trying a 2nd time around to release the gingerbread update...the phone came out in April! That should have been done a long time ago. That being said, how soon do you expect it to be upgraded to Ice Cream Sandwich? Find another device, it isn't worth the trouble.
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OP, do yourself a favor and find a different phone. Honestly, this phone isn't worth the trouble you'll put yourself through. There are better options out there, no need to subject yourself to dealing with the G2X. Perfect example, it's December and they're trying a 2nd time around to release the gingerbread update...the phone came out in April! That should have been done a long time ago. That being said, how soon do you expect it to be upgraded to Ice Cream Sandwich? Find another device, it isn't worth the trouble.
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We're already getting alpha's of ICS. And since we're all on XDA, we've all had GB since CM7. I don't see any other reason to deter him away from this device.
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We're already getting alpha's of ICS. And since we're all on XDA, we've all had GB since CM7. I don't see any other reason to deter him away from this device.
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What newer device doesn't have an alpha build of ICS yet? Really, that's nothing to hang your hat on. Truth be told you may never get a bug free build of ICS until the actually release comes out, or at least leaks with the things they will need to make it more stable and bug free. That didn't even really happen completely with gingerbread. The phone's fine if you're someone who's already stuck with it, and can't get out of it (for whatever reason). But, I couldn't in good conscience recommend anyone to purchase this phone. Fact is, if he intends to have anything even close to a pleasant experience HE WILL HAVE TO HACK HIS PHONE, and even then there aren't any guarantees. There are much better options out there.
Honestly the g2x still outperforms most other newer phones released this year( exnyos sgs2 aside )
With ics confirmed for our devices and both cm team and our brilliant devs here on g2x thread who got hw acceleration and just about everything else working for a beta release, I'd say our g2x's are go for their true potential. Though not quite ahead of its time as the hd2 was.. when ics is released for g2x it will only future proof the device longer since that is the OS meant to keep g2x owners happy they kept it!
Oh and I wouldn't say hacking the g2x is difficult anyways, since its one of the easiest phones to root ever lol
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Try this ROM:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1374011
Though the installation and post-installation is PAIN IN YOUR ASS, it works 100% with nearly zero problem after it's done and it's worth the pain.
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OP, do yourself a favor and find a different phone. Honestly, this phone isn't worth the trouble you'll put yourself through. There are better options out there, no need to subject yourself to dealing with the G2X. Perfect example, it's December and they're trying a 2nd time around to release the gingerbread update...the phone came out in April! That should have been done a long time ago. That being said, how soon do you expect it to be upgraded to Ice Cream Sandwich? Find another device, it isn't worth the trouble.
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yep,listen to him. Please read through the forum so that way you are well informed. I WILL NOT EVEN RECOMMEND THIS PHONE TO A DUMB PERSON. LG really screwed all their so called phones up.
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I like this phone, it's only the second smartphone I've ever had and my other was a failberry. I had no experience with android and managed to root and flash a rom with no problems only a couple weeks after getting it. I will agree that this is not the greatest phone out of the box with the software, but if you enjoy flashing roms and trying things out it has some good hardware for the price. Some people enjoy rooting and exploring things, and this is a good phone for them IMO.
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What newer device doesn't have an alpha build of ICS yet? Really, that's nothing to hang your hat on. Truth be told you may never get a bug free build of ICS until the actually release comes out, or at least leaks with the things they will need to make it more stable and bug free. That didn't even really happen completely with gingerbread. The phone's fine if you're someone who's already stuck with it, and can't get out of it (for whatever reason). But, I couldn't in good conscience recommend anyone to purchase this phone. Fact is, if he intends to have anything even close to a pleasant experience HE WILL HAVE TO HACK HIS PHONE, and even then there aren't any guarantees. There are much better options out there.
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Then maybe it's user error on your part because the stock GB build was perfectly fine for me. Rooted or not rooted, my phone has never shut down, rebooted, or SOD. It's fine if you don't like the phone, but it would be ignorant to deter someone away from it just because you had a bad experience. There's many that have good experiences with this phone.
Stock ROM is fine.
Custom ROM's based on stock are good.
And CM7 is even better.
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I said Fcuk what people where saying and made the jump.....Or at least will be soon
Has anyone actually used a phone that didnt have a bug? People get upset after spending money a phone that doesnt in turn make them coffee lol, help the phone...so that in return it helps you!
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I said Fcuk what people where saying and made the jump.....Or at least will be soon
Has anyone actually used a phone that didnt have a bug? People get upset after spending money a phone that doesnt in turn make them coffee lol, help the phone...so that in return it helps you!
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I am on my 4th replacement LG-P999 (G2X/WIND Optimus 2X) which I got within the first 15 days of getting the first one and this one has screen bleed at the top corners and light leakage along both edges leaking through the LCD mask. Hardware-wise, if it doesn't have any problems, it is a good phone but the support for it from LG is abysmal, they should be forced out of the cell phone business for that. This phone is only as good as it is because of the hard work done by various developers here and elsewhere who I can't thank enough for that. If you like modding your phone's functions and capabilities, this is probably the best phone for that other than the Optimus 2X P990 model which has the added ability of installing various basebands. When ICS is available with video acceleration, the better camera (no lag), etc., it will significantly improve this phone's operation to what it should have been when it was first sold, it was ahead of Android's ability to take advantage of its hardware. Even if LG does provide ICS for this phone which, although they have promised to provide for the Optimus family of phones such as the 2X, I don't believe it will because it has already moved on in preference to support its 3D phone for which it has released an update to double the phone's 3G/4G speed and other significant improvements. If I were to buy another phone, even though the new Nexus does not have the best hardware, it would be that because it has ICS and will be updated for at least the next 18 months. Second to that would be the new Samsung which is promised to get ICS which I do trust Samsung to do. I will never buy another LG phone or other LG product because LG is so unethical in its business practises. So, you pays your money and takes your chances, just don't bet on a known loser, LG.
Hey guys!, I recently purchased an Atrix2, at the moment I can't decide if I'm more worried or excited (locked bootloader and all), lets just say I'm glad my investment wasn't too big. I'm coming from a Desire Z which was totally and completely hacked way before I bought one (Ended up owning 3 of them, 1 of which didn't have warranty... Ended up being a big investment, long story), so hopefully stock isn't too bad . I have some questions tho and if anyone would be willing to answer I'd be grateful, I've been lurking around here for a few days, if these questions have already been asked I apologize.
When my Atrix2 arrives what should I do with it, root it and install a 2.3.x rom, leave it stock, not root it, install an ICS leak?
How does overclocking work, I'd like to get it to 1.2ghz (GS2 speed), are we able to do that on a locked bootloader?
I know there's been no official word, but do you think the Atrix2 will get JellyBean? When?
How close are we to cracking that bootloader? I've been reading the threads and they're kinda hard to follow, there seems to be massive news on the horizon and everything looking good but then another thread says the complete opposite, how close are we to cracking that sucker open, and in your opinion do you think Moto will unlock the Atrix2 with their web unlock tool that voids the warranty?
I noticed there are 2 hardware versions (ME and MB I think), is everything compatible with each other or do I have to specifically make sure each rom and hack is for my version?
From long term owners how do you like the phone?
From people using ICS how is it? Compared to the AOSP and AOKP roms for other devices, is it..... bearable so to speak ?.
How many CM7/AOSP like mods can we have, I really hate using phones without the widgets in the pulldown status bar.
Coming from a very thick 3.7" 512mb ram 800mhz CPU (Tho capable of running JellyBean fairly well, and being QWERTY to be fair), I think the leap to 4.3" 1gb ram and 1.2ghz dual core will be very nice. The locked bootloader is a big let down but I hope the geniuses that are the Android Dev community come up with some wonderful hack and we're all running CM10 very soon, or at least that the ICS build is good enough and we can get some decent mods.
JDogg1329 said:
When my Atrix2 arrives what should I do with it, root it and install a 2.3.x rom, leave it stock, not root it, install an ICS leak?
How does overclocking work, I'd like to get it to 1.2ghz (GS2 speed), are we able to do that on a locked bootloader?
I know there's been no official word, but do you think the Atrix2 will get JellyBean? When?
How close are we to cracking that bootloader? I've been reading the threads and they're kinda hard to follow, there seems to be massive news on the horizon and everything looking good but then another thread says the complete opposite, how close are we to cracking that sucker open, and in your opinion do you think Moto will unlock the Atrix2 with their web unlock tool that voids the warranty?
I noticed there are 2 hardware versions (ME and MB I think), is everything compatible with each other or do I have to specifically make sure each rom and hack is for my version?
From long term owners how do you like the phone?
From people using ICS how is it? Compared to the AOSP and AOKP roms for other devices, is it..... bearable so to speak ?.
How many CM7/AOSP like mods can we have, I really hate using phones without the widgets in the pulldown status bar.
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When my Atrix2 arrives what should I do with it, root it and install a 2.3.x rom, leave it stock, not root it, install an ICS leak?
A) This is entirely your preference.
How does overclocking work, I'd like to get it to 1.2ghz (GS2 speed), are we able to do that on a locked bootloader?
A) See my guides in my signature -for Overclocking
I know there's been no official word, but do you think the Atrix2 will get JellyBean? When?
A) I seriously doubt it. We're one of the last to receive ICS, and still waiting for the official OTA to roll out in the US.
How close are we to cracking that bootloader? I've been reading the threads and they're kinda hard to follow, there seems to be massive news on the horizon and everything looking good but then another thread says the complete opposite, how close are we to cracking that sucker open, and in your opinion do you think Moto will unlock the Atrix2 with their web unlock tool that voids the warranty?
A) The developers have been working on this for almost a year, doesn't look promising at this point, but as soon as some advances are made, you'll read about them here. No, Moto will likely NOT add the A2 to the devices list for unlocking.
I noticed there are 2 hardware versions (ME and MB I think), is everything compatible with each other or do I have to specifically make sure each rom and hack is for my version?
A) The MB865 is intended for use on AT&T within the USA, while the ME865 has a different radio, sound device, WIFI chipset, and a few other hardware differences. It is basically a different device, with "close enough" hardware. I would not try using things from one for the other though, because even the ME865 has 3 different versions, with some small differences in hardware, but you also really need to watch for firmware compatibility.
From long term owners how do you like the phone?
A) My opinion is its decent, we have amazing devs, and they've done so much for this device.
From people using ICS how is it?
A) ICS completely changes the phone, in every way that's good.
Compared to the AOSP and AOKP roms for other devices, is it..... bearable so to speak ?.
A) They are way better than stock Motorubbish ROM.
How many CM7/AOSP like mods can we have, I really hate using phones without the widgets in the pulldown status bar?
A) Most every custom ROM (if not all) available for the A2 has drop down toggles.
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Thanks for your reply. Another question. Are there De blurred roms? I imagine blur wouldn't run as horrible as sense ran on my g2 but options are nice
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JDogg1329 said:
Thanks for your reply. Another question. Are there De blurred roms? I imagine blur wouldn't run as horrible as sense ran on my g2 but options are nice
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There's a couple of ROMs that still keep in tact some or most of the Blur apps and UI, but most are "de-blurred". One of my favorites was Lithium ROM and SCv6, but that's all based on personal preferences. Some are odexed, others de-odexed. Just browse through the development section and look at each of the ROM's threads, they'll all have screenshots, features, and installation instructions. Some are flash able zips, others are CWM backup images. Everything you'll need to know in deciding on a ROM is in the dev section. Nothing wrong with flashing and trying each of them out, until you find one you really like...
Edit: I just looked, and seems like there's about four ROMs that will require the user to be on the leaked ICS version before flashing there's still several great ROMs for GB though!
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As long as it's not the ICS OTA because you can't go back to GB with that (yet?). I'm learning . Been 6 days and my phone hasn't been shipped, but hopefully there's some cool new stuff when it does get here.
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As long as it's not the ICS OTA because you can't go back to GB with that (yet?). I'm learning . Been 6 days and my phone hasn't been shipped, but hopefully there's some cool new stuff when it does get here.
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The official ICS OTA update will not allow you the ability to flash back to GB, at least not yet. With the "leaked" ICS, you can. But, trying with any of the newer leaked updates for ICS will turn your new phone into a new soft brick...
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Apex_Strider said:
The official ICS OTA update will not allow you the ability to flash back to GB, at least not yet. With the "leaked" ICS, you can. But, trying with any of the newer leaked updates for ICS will turn your new phone into a new soft brick...
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Gotcha. All the roms say you need to already be on the leak to use them which is kinda confusing, do I install this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1683893
and then this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1648421
And then root?
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Gotcha. All the roms say you need to already be on the leak to use them which is kinda confusing, do I install this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1683893
and then this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1648421
And then root?
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I believe there's only two ROMs that are built off the leaked ICS version (SCv7 and Lunar Eclipse, though there may be more- I haven't clicked the through the development section much lately) but just wait until you get your phone, and see what version it is. Likely it will be SEARET, but I'm not certain.
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Courier company screwed up and I have to wait another few days. Hopefully get it before Friday next week. First world problems.
JDogg1329 said:
Courier company screwed up and I have to wait another few days. Hopefully get it before Friday next week. First world problems.
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Worth the waiting :good:
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Worth the waiting :good:
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One more and you've earned your ticket to the development section...
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When should we expect the release of KitKat for the Relay?
When TeamApexQ deems fit to release it.
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Nardholio said:
When TeamApexQ deems fit to release it.
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Nardholio, do you expect any major innovations, and most importantly, any major sources of bugs or instabilities with KitKat?
Thanks!!
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Nardholio, do you expect any major innovations, and most importantly, any major sources of bugs or instabilities with KitKat?
Thanks!!
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That's a question we won't really be able to answer until there is more solid information on KitKat generally available.
Looks like CM is setting up the KitKat AOSP code for there builds Check out @CyanogenMod's Tweet: https://twitter.com/CyanogenMod/status/396000889011326976
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Cyanogenmod Google+ post " Android 4.4 Source
Source is now being pushed to the AOSP trees. Of course, when it is all there we will begin the process of figuring out what changed, needs work, and/or is no longer feasible or needed.*
We are not in a rush to get 4.4 builds out. We are going to continue the process of working on CM 10.2 M1 - getting that out the door and onto your devices. Further, we will 'finish' the 10.2 code base, similar to what we did with 10.1.*
As a friendly reminder, please don't flood us with requests for 4.4 - we all want new and shiny things, but we will not do so at the expense of abandoning the hard work our contributors have put into 10.2.*
Final note, a lot of folks are reading into the "512mb" item on the release notes. No, this does not mean a sudden resurrection of older hardware, there are dependencies beyond the RAM (and CM has enforced that minimum since ICS)."
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pst @Magamo this thread was best ended with a simple "when I say so" response and nothing more
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Nardholio said:
pst @Magamo this thread was best ended with a simple "when I say so" response and nothing more
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I actually was referring to an official KitKat OTA update from T-mobile.
How long did it take them to release a JB update after it was first introduced?
I have no interest in a CM ROM full of bugs and things that don't work.
andrewsfm said:
I actually was referring to an official KitKat OTA update from T-mobile.
How long did it take them to release a JB update after it was first introduced?
I have no interest in a CM ROM full of bugs and things that don't work.
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Given that we never got upgraded to 4.2 or 4.3 by T-mobile/Samsung, I kinda doubt we'll be getting an official 4.4. And our CM rom, which has been built for us by a couple of people working for free, currently has fewer bugs than the official ROMs.
Jax184 said:
Given that we never got upgraded to 4.2 or 4.3 by T-mobile/Samsung, I kinda doubt we'll be getting an official 4.4. And our CM rom, which has been built for us by a couple of people working for free, currently has fewer bugs than the official ROMs.
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4.2 and 4.3 were minor updates with no name change. JB was a major update and they did update to it.
4.4 KitKat being a major update, I've got my fingers crossed considering the wide range of devices that it's being planned for.
Was just hoping to see if there was any news on a KK update for this model.
CM is fun to play with and all, but it's not something I would trust on an everyday phone.
I use CM as a daily driver every day, and have been doing so since 10.2 became CyanogenMod official - everything just works. Now I'm not one of those people who demands a LOT of my phone, but I use it in the course of doing my job daily and it performs better, and more efficiently (with regards to battery consumption) than it did on the debloated stock rom, so much so that I deleted my Nandroid of that setup.
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I use CM as a daily driver every day, and have been doing so since 10.2 became CyanogenMod official - everything just works. Now I'm not one of those people who demands a LOT of my phone, but I use it in the course of doing my job daily and it performs better, and more efficiently (with regards to battery consumption) than it did on the debloated stock rom, so much so that I deleted my Nandroid of that setup.
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I'm not sure if I fall into the category of demanding alot from my phone, but if there are issues like, Wifi and BT can't be on at the same time, that's not good enough. That's a serious issue. So if I forget to turn one of them off, stuff stops working? That's not okay...
I want my camera to work, for videos and photos. I want the phone to do everything the hardware is supposed to do.
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I'm not sure if I fall into the category of demanding alot from my phone, but if there are issues like, Wifi and BT can't be on at the same time, that's not good enough. That's a serious issue. So if I forget to turn one of them off, stuff stops working? That's not okay...
I want my camera to work, for videos and photos. I want the phone to do everything the hardware is supposed to do.
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Awesome! And you want that for free? You don't seem to appreciate a lot the effort that other people are putting into this...
The wifi/bluetooth issue isn't that bad. It only falls apart when WiFi is on and connected to a 2.4GHz access point, and bluetooth is on and connected to a bluetooth device. If you have an N wifi access point that operates at 5Ghz, you can just connect to that instead of the 2.4Ghz node and then the two play nice. It's what I do.
Jax184 said:
The wifi/bluetooth issue isn't that bad. It only falls apart when WiFi is on and connected to a 2.4GHz access point, and bluetooth is on and connected to a bluetooth device. If you have an N wifi access point that operates at 5Ghz, you can just connect to that instead of the 2.4Ghz node and then the two play nice. It's what I do.
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I would do this if I had a 5GHz AP, but what I'm saying is that I don't want to have to worry about stuff like that.
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Awesome! And you want that for free? You don't seem to appreciate a lot the effort that other people are putting into this...
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I don't want anything for free, except a stock KitKat update from T-Mobile/Samsung for the hardware I paid for... At no point did I say I was interested in CM. I've been explaining why I'm not, the whole time.
I started this thread to find out how long historically after the release of a new OS, does it usually take Samsung/T-Mobile to release an OTA?
andrewsfm said:
I would do this if I had a 5GHz AP, but what I'm saying is that I don't want to have to worry about stuff like that.
I don't want anything for free, except a stock KitKat update from T-Mobile/Samsung for the hardware I paid for... At no point did I say I was interested in CM. I've been explaining why I'm not, the whole time.
I started this thread to find out how long historically after the release of a new OS, does it usually take Samsung/T-Mobile to release an OTA?
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Normally only after the Samsung high-end phones get the update and they are just barely getting Android 4.3. It also depends if they decide to update this phone at all. I have been asking t-mobile and Samsung that and they keep blaming each other or referring me to the forum for the phone on there websites.
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chris122380 said:
Normally only after the Samsung high-end phones get the update and they are just barely getting Android 4.3. It also depends if they decide to update this phone at all. I have been asking t-mobile and Samsung that and they keep blaming each other or referring me to the forum for the phone on there websites.
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I guess Windows has spoiled me, because I don't understand how it's so hard to port Android to each device.
AMD or Intel, they both use the same instruction set, so they work on any x86/x64 processor, and then you install drivers for your hardware peripherals.
Shouldn't Android run on any ARM processor, and then just have drivers that need to be plugged into it for each component of the phone to work?
Apparently it's a lot more complicated than that, but why...
andrewsfm said:
I guess Windows has spoiled me, because I don't understand how it's so hard to port Android to each device.
AMD or Intel, they both use the same instruction set, so they work on any x86/x64 processor, and then you install drivers for your hardware peripherals.
Shouldn't Android run on any ARM processor, and then just have drivers that need to be plugged into it for each component of the phone to work?
Apparently it's a lot more complicated than that, but why...
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A lot of the complexity comes from the manufacturers of the SoCs not opening up the workings of their drivers to the wider world that makes porting to new devices, and to new versions of Android so difficult. Things work on one kernel, or one interface, and that's it, and we have no way of tweaking it to work in other ways. Back to the subject at hand. I personally suspect that the Relay will get no official update to KitKat. The Relay is over a year old, T-Mobile has been trying to dump it since 2013 began, and they are the only retailer. The 4.1.2 Jelly Bean updates were rolling out to the then mainline Samsung phones within a week of the Relay's release in September 2012, and we didn't get our update (which frankly is a broken PoS, ESPECIALLY when held up against any CM build for the Relay) until March or April of '13, so expect another 6 months before we MIGHT (and likely won't) get an official 4.3 update.
Looks like coding for CM 11 has started. Check out @CyanogenMod's Tweet: https://twitter.com/CyanogenMod/status/397817644650205185
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Magamo said:
A lot of the complexity comes from the manufacturers of the SoCs not opening up the workings of their drivers to the wider world that makes porting to new devices, and to new versions of Android so difficult. Things work on one kernel, or one interface, and that's it, and we have no way of tweaking it to work in other ways. Back to the subject at hand. I personally suspect that the Relay will get no official update to KitKat. The Relay is over a year old, T-Mobile has been trying to dump it since 2013 began, and they are the only retailer. The 4.1.2 Jelly Bean updates were rolling out to the then mainline Samsung phones within a week of the Relay's release in September 2012, and we didn't get our update (which frankly is a broken PoS, ESPECIALLY when held up against any CM build for the Relay) until March or April of '13, so expect another 6 months before we MIGHT (and likely won't) get an official 4.3 update.
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Ah k I see. The hardware vendors are mostly to blame it seems.
I may try a stable CM11 if that ever sees the light of day, but I won't hold my breath.
I've heard about the official JB ROM being problematic, so I plan to stay on ICS the phone originally shipped with.
I'm just glad to be getting rid of my Droid3 and Gingerbread.
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Ah k I see. The hardware vendors are mostly to blame it seems.
I may try a stable CM11 if that ever sees the light of day, but I won't hold my breath.
I've heard about the official JB ROM being problematic, so I plan to stay on ICS the phone originally shipped with.
I'm just glad to be getting rid of my Droid3 and Gingerbread.
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True, there have been some bugs. However, I use the official nightly of cm10.2 as a daily driver. I'd rather put up with the MINOR issues that are left (hardware is stable for the most part) than have a manufacturer ROM. IMHO, the stock ROM that comes with the phone is usually full of crap bloat ware that I don't use and takes up space, and a UI that is SEVERELY limited in customization.
Also, the more people participate and report problems, the faster it takes TeamApex to fix and push out. At least team apex RESPONDS to their users. As mentioned before, it can take as long as 6-8 months after an android release for the manufacturer to roll out an update...still full of crap ware that's NOT used and cannot be uninstalled without root privileges or botching up the UI further.
These people who work tirelessly to provide to us, the end user, an updated version of Android, do so out of their own free will, and don't get a penny. These devs are here to proudly share what they have created, and I applaud and give my utmost respect to them.
You don't wanna install aftermarket firmware? Don't want to aid in bug reporting? Fine, put up with the crap that the manufacturer pushes onto you. Plus, Samsung & T-Mobile don't get any more of your hard earn dollars rolling out an Android update for our year-old device. They'd rather you dump it and buy the latest phone. THAT'S THEIR BUSINESS MODEL! So they have no interest in rushing an update to something as "old" as the Relay.
If you want JB or KK and are unwilling to wait for & install after-market firmware, I suggest you pony up the dough and buy a nexus 5. Better still, learn how to dev and make your own version of JB or KK for the Relay. That's the beauty of open source.
Your rant and *****ing about when "they are going to develop Kit Kat" makes you come across as arrogant, snobbish, and child-like.
Sorry for MY ranting, but it's unappreciative asshats like andre that just piss me off.
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