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These last days, and this is a joy, a few new/or not developers are beginning to create roms on ICS.
Each rom has a difference with others, and i noticed some roms has qualities that are not found on others, but need the advantages of some others.
A few users asked it before, i offer today with this thread (i hope this is not a mistake, and that it will remains clean), to vote. The target is to ask to our developers to create a sort of developing team, around a "unic" rom.
Their competences put in common should be awsome, don't you think?
If you want to help me to make this thread known by developers, do not hesitate to link it in your signature, by this way, dev in the development section could see the result of the vote, that i hope to be YES
Thx for your responses, and please take this thread clean
Want a good idea !
Google is doing this. Wait for the official release...
Sent from my Nexus S 4G using xda premium
It is called the CM team.... facepalm
FYI, Koush is an integral member of that team (not that they have been working on ICS as a team yet)
This is a terribly biased survey. Where's the option for "No, we'd like to see a diverse selection of Roms"
With all due respect, "Nope, i prefer lot of partially working roms" is a very suggestive option, that says you're critical of the current work, or just impatient.
Seriously dude, ics JUST CAME OUT. Teams will form, and work will get done in due time.
Patience, grasshopper.
Have you no humour?
If you say no, indeed it can be for other reasons..
In fact, the target is to reach an almost stable and fully functionnal BEFORE the official release...
after this, no need to have a team, on a official base, a dev can do something good alone.
As you like to call me grasshoper, and with all the due respect , i would like to call you embittered cod-fish.
Does it fit enough to you sir?
I have seen an increase on non helpfully threads and messages number on the last few weeks here in this forum. Threads like this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1469498
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1468858
Many messages and threads always complaining about devs,number of ROMs, themes and bla bla bla....
If you are not happy enough I would really recommend you this:
-Make yourself a ROM and post here.Help the community to grow
-Make yourself a theme and post here.Help the community to grow
-Not happy with the phone, sell it and buy something else
-Not happy with LG (like me), post on another already opened threads about, delayed schedules ,ICS , GB etc.... there is plenty of them.
There is so many good people here (Acura team, King Team, Cyano team, Gerret, Adixtra, Fab-waterbear,even myself and many others), doing a free job to you, risking our own phones, to try to make your phone work better and you still complain ? Be fair and stop with it.
I would really appreciate if the forum Administrator could erase those threads.
*Sorry for posting something like this here, but after 750 answers/messages just under O3D forum I guess I have the right to try to keep this forum nice and even to go in defense of the other devs here.
**Keep the hard work, O3D is a great device.
***You can please delete this thread Mr Forum Administrator when enough people have accessed it
ThiaiZ said:
I have seen an increase on non helpfully threads and messages number on the last few weeks here in this forum. Threads like this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1469498
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1468858
Many messages and threads always complaining about devs,number of ROMs, themes and bla bla bla....
If you are not happy enough I would really recommend you this:
-Make yourself a ROM and post here.Help the community to grow
-Make yourself a theme and post here.Help the community to grow
-Not happy with the phone, sell it and buy something else
-Not happy with LG (like me), post on another already opened threads about, delayed schedules ,ICS , GB etc.... there is plenty of them.
There is so many good people here (Acura team, King Team, Cyano team, Gerret, Adixtra, Fab-waterbear,even myself and many others), doing a free job to you, risking our own phones, to try to make your phone work better and you still complain ? Be fair and stop with it.
I would really appreciate if the forum Administrator could erase those threads.
*Sorry for posting something like this here, but after 750 answers/messages just under O3D forum I guess I have the right to try to keep this forum nice and even to go in defense of the other devs here.
**Keep the hard work, O3D is a great device.
***You can please delete this thread Mr Forum Administrator when enough people have accessed it
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with all due respect, what happened to free speech?
Barracuda77777 said:
with all due respect, what happened to free speech?
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It has nothing to do with free speech, but respect for those who try to make this thing here better. My indignation is with the increase number of complains about devs here, like I said before people who do a free job to make O3D better.
Why to open threads "as questions", if there are just complaining about everything ?
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It has nothing to do with free speech, but respect for those who try to make this thing here better. My indignation is with the increase number of complains about devs here, like I said before people who do a free job to make O3D better.
Why to open threads "as questions", if there are just complaining about everything ?
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fair enough, I agree with you, you and others have been an excellent devolopers for the O3D, I am personally upset soley with LG, they are liars, from the way they dealt with me always in denials about problems with O3D and making it though I am the only guy in the planet who is having the problems.
By the way we are still waiting for a GB baseband that does not hang
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fair enough, I agree with you, you and others have been an excellent devolopers for the O3D, I am personally upset soley with LG, they are liars, from the way they dealt with me always in denials about problems with O3D and making it though I am the only guy in the planet who is having the problems.
By the way we are still waiting for a GB baseband that does not hang
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Yes mate, now you got what I wanted to say.
I am also not happy with LG, and in this case I feel like I have the right to complain about them, cause I bought a product from LG, and they are not been fair enough with me, not keeping the promises they made before I even bought the product.
Thiaiz,
well put. I agree totally with you. Its one thing to not like the experience and say they are selling the phone...ok fine, but to totally trash dev's for only trying to help a community grow, that's just plain cruel.
Don't take it personal though man, just remember, they are the ones with issues...it just shows the people out there who can't control their expression in consideration for people OTHER than themselves and that they don't think before they speak. All comes down to selfishness and impatience.
In this thread, I am not actually asking where he is, but because other people have been making many offtopic comments in other threads, I am making one for their comments. please discuss rationally and maturely.
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last I heard, Hillbeast was busy with work, busy with getting his computer working again, had some sick time, etc., and I'm fine with that. I have seen the efforts he's made IN HIS FREE TIME to try and get UART, etc., working on a phone that has tried to foil every attempt. now, we have people saying he's abandoned us, seemingly ignoring what was mentioned above, about being busy with work, having a crashed computer, etc.
I would like to draw specific attention to a post by vishal24387, as I have a specific question for him:
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Buddy actually I dont want to explain that why I posted in a rude way but there are many things going behind the curtain between the developers which you are not aware (but I am). So its not ur fault. You are right at ur point but you can look just one side.Other side is uknown to everybody.
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Vishal, are you saying there's a conversation in a private forum/only in PM, or somewhere else, where Hillbeast has said he's quitting? Are other developers are badmouthing him behind his back? why are you questioning Hillbeast's work (or current lack thereof) on our phone? on what basis are you now attacking Hillbeast?
I agree with you supergaijin. Vishal is being very hostile, behind his back too on the fb group. And I have no idea why. I understand that maybe you're desperate for development, or for dhiru to get some help, but developers aren't robots. They can't work all day long, and they are certainly not obligated to help this committee as they do it during their spare time.
I've known Hillbeast from the g3 community, and have also recommended him to help out. Why? Because he has a UART and I have seen fantastic work from him. Pressuring the devs only create bad relations and they may leave the community(or xda) for good. There have been many such cases, some were not able to be persuaded from leaving and I do not wish for this to happen a 2nd time.
Xda is for developers and not for us end users in actual fact. They could always make it invite only. Developers develop and share things here, they are not here to do your bidding. If a developer has not done something in a while, give him some time. He may have some real life problems, thus he had to halt his development. Real life things are always more important, would you develop if you were experiencing problems in your life?
What I want to say is, give the developers space. Vishal especially, I have seen you pressure the devs time and again first fuss, then the UC team, then now hillbeast. It pains me whenever a developer leaves the community, and I just do not want it to happen again. Pressuring the devs do no good whatsoever expect create bad relations. If you feel offended or misunderstood, pm me so we can clear up the misunderstanding.
Edit: have a look here too: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=16682226&postcount=2441. It may not relate to this, but it certainly brings across the point about how xda is only about developers!
Sent from my GT-I9003 using xda app-developers app
I am undecided as to whether to close this thread but I guess I will leave it for a bit and carefully watch the comments. I have checked hillbeast's profile and recent comments and I believe you are correct about his recent activities. I also saw that the ICS source code was released yesterday and that hillbeast said he would download and work on it, so people may be a bit over-excited by that not realizing that it takes a little time to get from source code to ROM/Kernel.
After further consideration, thread closed. Anyone who wishes to discuss further over PM's is welcome to include me and I will be happy to moderate there as well. I think everyone needs to step away from the keyboards and understand that real life has to come first, and that good things take time.
Thank you,
mf2112
I've been a loyalist to the SL i9003 forum, From the day the threads went up to when we were grouped under the Galaxy S section as a sub base, Honestly despite moving onto greener pastures the SL i9003 has always been my first choice in the android department, hence why I still keep my SLi9003 and why I would spend as much as it takes to keep it alive than any other higher tier class phones.
First, this thread means no threat, but ofcourse, this is General section and anything goes, The moderators have been doing a splendid job, and if anything what surprises me the most is the activity----in a Legacy & Low Activity Devices section, but a few things have irked me.
I have stood around in the Hillbeast thread and side with Dhiru's and both are what's "Hot" or what's keeping thing's alive here, in a place where development has met it's scarcity. I agree the moderators have done their job properly in keeping things in line where patience runs short considering both developers (Or might I recognize just one- Hey it's the truth, monkey see, monkey do) depend on each other's work to keep the phone in it's tip top shape, but why has the moderation been so strict?
If anything this is the Legacy & Low Activity Devices and we have been shot down from once a standard recognized phone, to the abyss of low tier phones, I would agree there is alot of noob questions being asked, and alot of ruckus about the recent events, but aren't we, the community to decide and voice our opinions out? I would agree the noob questions/statements need to be rubbed off from the thread but I feel the manner of erasing certain posts and thread has gone a bit---overboard and I feel this thread would meet it's match soon. Again, I mean no disrespect to the fine moderators who have done their job properly. I just feel someone had to state this out.
And why? A small share, I was told recently I had been featured on XDA and I didn't even know it (GTab 10.1) so I decided to Google myself, upon doing so, I had seen my threads been offlinked, copy pasted from the GT-i9003 section into other forums, usually I'd ignore this but I noticed most of them are scared to ask or post because of the strict moderation that goes around that too on a Legacy & Low Activity Devices section. Most of them require the tutorial guide in order to move forward to dhiru's ROM because everyone knows if you screw up while flashing a firmware, you end up having a screwed phone not worth having a "blessing" on. I feel the crucial part gets erased, if anything most developers need to know the feedback, improving requires feedback, feedback inspires improvisation.
This has just been going on for a while, and I feel I needed to say this, perhaps most of the community would agree with me on this.
Good job once again to the moderators. With all due respect.
thats really true ....
well said brother !!!
Hope Mods doesn't delete this topic also !!!
nicely said ! if it wasnt u, i would have posted such ! because things do seem to get out of hand ! before you kno it most of the important posts are deleted without the concerned developers reading it!
shriomman said:
nicely said ! if it wasnt u, i would have posted such ! because things do seem to get out of hand ! before you kno it most of the important posts are deleted without the concerned developers reading it!
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I feel the crucial part gets erased, if anything most developers need to know the feedback, improving requires feedback, feedback inspires improvisation.
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I feel the crucial part gets erased, if anything most developers need to know the feedback, improving requires feedback, feedback inspires improvisation.
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Ya especially feedback by senior member for hillbeast & not stupid feedback by stupid noobs who have recently joined this forum (who dont know history of this fotum).
@ misledz
Well said brother
@OP .. or anyone else ... care to explain all this in a more of layman's term. Just for literarily inept people like me.
What exactly happened? What was posted and then removed?
Only then I might be able to participate in this debate.
Flame me for my opinions but not for my questions.
Hetalk said:
@OP .. or anyone else ... care to explain all this in a more of layman's term. Just for literarily inept people like me.
What exactly happened? What was posted and then removed?
Only then I might be able to participate in this debate.
Flame me for my opinions but not for my questions.
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More or less when we placed our expectations on HB we had hoped there would be more of a response than ignorance. Instead the posts got deleted, thread got cleaned and such.
@krazzy Wow I didn't think id' see you here too
^^ Now I see what exactly you're saying.
Even I felt that after months(weeks if you say so) of inactivity for a much awaited and critical development, asking for a ETA(disguised or not) shouldn't be considered a taboo/bane.
People (current senior members) knew(anticipated) this was critical to further development for this device, and decided to donate for a device to get a willing (note this word) and experienced developer to help in this project.
For new users , before posting anything, please understand that lack of development on this front is taking a toll on the very few developers we have for this device. I personally know a couple of devs, who could have helped in this development, if it really happened, who have moved on for greener pastures.
I repeat, these seniors who are (unnecessarily?) asking for ETAs aren't asking after a week from initial announcement/donation.
This is just my opinion, as I felt obliged to post it.
I agree with you:
Improving requires feedback, feedback inspires improvisation.
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But it is also true that most of the time things are not done the way they should be. I'll use as an example Hillbeast's Kernel 3.x thread too:
Since the beginning, hillbeast stated users should use [Q/A] thread for inquiries and different stuff instead of the development thread, but people continued posting questions in that thread. At first, hillbeast answered almost every question; then, people started asking for ETA and such annoying things, and that's something we could not allow. Finally, moderators appeared and cleaned the whole thread, and now they keep it 'cleaned', also deleting questions not directly related with kernel 3.x development, which at first were more or less tolerated.
To sum up, the ones who worsened the situation were we, people who don't understand the current problems developers are facing, and that led to moderators deleting posts of people just asking questions because they are noobs or they want to know what's going on.
I know it because I've been in this forum for a year and a half (I am not a developer nor a contributor, so I try to keep quiet and just press thanks or give some feedback, that's why I only have a few posts), and i've been reading that thread regularly, at least once a day, since the first post.
I am not blaming anybody, I just think that the way moderators behave has its own reasons...
As we say in Spain, "Al final pagan justos por pecadores", that means something like: "In the end, pay righteous people because of sinners" (sorry for the translation, that's the only way I came up to express it.
Cheers!
@matapollos that's going as my status for the day ! And that has so much truth to it, I've been watching the HB thread ever since it started. Seen the people who took the initiative to help him but a developer is only as strong as the community that favors him, If anything HB should have kept his word, the community had kept theirs on the phone. It just feels---wrong? Yes you will help and answer but there's a saying in english, All bark and no bite. Actions should match what was preached.
As I just woke up and haven't had any coffee, I am not going to do anything with this yet until I have a chance to go through it properly.
OK, gotta run off to work, but here is something.
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I've been a loyalist to the SL i9003 forum, From the day the threads went up to when we were grouped under the Galaxy S section as a sub base, Honestly despite moving onto greener pastures the SL i9003 has always been my first choice in the android department, hence why I still keep my SLi9003 and why I would spend as much as it takes to keep it alive than any other higher tier class phones.
First, this thread means no threat, but ofcourse, this is General section and anything goes, The moderators have been doing a splendid job, and if anything what surprises me the most is the activity----in a Legacy & Low Activity Devices section,
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Thanks.
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but a few things have irked me.
I have stood around in the Hillbeast thread and side with Dhiru's and both are what's "Hot" or what's keeping thing's alive here, in a place where development has met it's scarcity. I agree the moderators have done their job properly in keeping things in line where patience runs short considering both developers (Or might I recognize just one- Hey it's the truth, monkey see, monkey do) depend on each other's work to keep the phone in it's tip top shape, but why has the moderation been so strict?
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I assure you that I am taking actions based on reports. I do not own a Galaxy SL so I am not here other than for mod purposes.
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If anything this is the Legacy & Low Activity Devices and we have been shot down from once a standard recognized phone, to the abyss of low tier phones, I would agree there is alot of noob questions being asked, and alot of ruckus about the recent events, but aren't we, the community to decide and voice our opinions out? I would agree the noob questions/statements need to be rubbed off from the thread but I feel the manner of erasing certain posts and thread has gone a bit---overboard and I feel this thread would meet it's match soon. Again, I mean no disrespect to the fine moderators who have done their job properly. I just feel someone had to state this out.
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I am taking actions based on reports entered by the community members here. Since I do not own a Galaxy SL I am not a member of any of the factions here.
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And why? A small share, I was told recently I had been featured on XDA and I didn't even know it (GTab 10.1) so I decided to Google myself, upon doing so, I had seen my threads been offlinked, copy pasted from the GT-i9003 section into other forums, usually I'd ignore this but I noticed most of them are scared to ask or post because of the strict moderation that goes around that too on a Legacy & Low Activity Devices section. Most of them require the tutorial guide in order to move forward to dhiru's ROM because everyone knows if you screw up while flashing a firmware, you end up having a screwed phone not worth having a "blessing" on. I feel the crucial part gets erased, if anything most developers need to know the feedback, improving requires feedback, feedback inspires improvisation.
This has just been going on for a while, and I feel I needed to say this, perhaps most of the community would agree with me on this.
Good job once again to the moderators. With all due respect.
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People scared to ask questions? Really? That would be news based on the number of questions that keep getting asked.
Can you give specific examples of your threads which have been copied to other device forums please?
As far as thread cleaning/deleting posts, I can promise that I have not deleted one single bit of "crucial" information.
I have to go for now, but I will continue this later. I want to work with you guys, but I also am required to do certain things for reasons you are not aware of. I am happy to explain them wherever possible.
Thank you,
mf2112
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@matapollos that's going as my status for the day ! And that has so much truth to it, I've been watching the HB thread ever since it started. Seen the people who took the initiative to help him but a developer is only as strong as the community that favors him, If anything HB should have kept his word, the community had kept theirs on the phone. It just feels---wrong? Yes you will help and answer but there's a saying in english, All bark and no bite. Actions should match what was preached.
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Well said Misledz.
My own recognize developer list have only one name still, trying to get it more, however, they still yet to be right.
i have once donate a SL to a XDA member(or Developer?), and now he's still not yet recognized by public (or XDA?) what is going on here at SL forum?
for the MOD, I think they are fair enough, rules is rules, it mean to be follow, but...still...... anyone missing Jay here ?:victory:
Another trend I've noticed, is the rise of the "unofficial" moderators.
People "spamming" on almost every post.
Best example would be a newbie on XDA asking for something like an ETA, and the damn post has 20+ replies saying Donot Ask for ETAs.
This was just an example.
I see that there are more of such posts, than that of regular queries.
This makes checking threads sometimes very much irritating. Opening a thread only to find out just another reply moderating previous posts.
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More or less when we placed our expectations on HB we had hoped there would be more of a response than ignorance. Instead the posts got deleted, thread got cleaned and such.
@krazzy Wow I didn't think id' see you here too
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brother i have always visit i9003 section when i visit xda
moderation shd be strict. so as to keep only usefull n informative posts. else we all will be lost in huge amt of posts.
SaeberTooth4U said:
moderation shd be strict. so as to keep only usefull n informative posts. else we all will be lost in huge amt of posts.
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I have to agree with you.
This forum is for developers. Testers and noobs are here as visitors and if they are looking around for information, they should search very hard before distracting the major contributors. Testing helps the devs, but harassment doesn't. Testing doesn't mean complaining about battery life. That is what spoiled children do. Thinking about yourself. People who have questions will always find the answer to their questions by searching. If there is no answer anywhere to be found (extremely rare), start a new thread in the General Section. It's simple.
I'm neither a developer nor a programmer. But I know my place and just say what's necessary and search very very hard before asking a question. At least I try. I think about the developers that use this forum to work on phones and don't appreciate it when someone who obviously has no interest in development comes and makes demands as though a ROM or a MOD or any feature or bug is the responsibility of these devs.
I find it crazy when I see non-devs here with hundreds of posts.
It would make much more sense for everyone to keep quiet and read. No need to comment on every thread you go through. ESPECIALLY if you're not developing or solving a problem.
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I have to agree with you.
This forum is for developers. Testers and noobs are here as visitors and if they are looking around for information.
I'm neither a developer nor a programmer. But I know my place and just say what's necessary and search very very hard before asking a question. At least I try. I think about the developers that use this forum to work on phones and don't appreciate it when someone who obviously has no interest in development comes and makes demands as though a ROM or a MOD or any feature or bug is the responsibility of these devs.
I find it crazy when I see non-devs here with hundreds of posts.
It would make much more sense for everyone to keep quiet and read. No need to comment on every thread you go through. ESPECIALLY if you're not developing or solving a problem.
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samisax, you have my sympathy! You have written exactly what I was thinking. It annoys me when I see people demanding things to developers, as if they were their employers...
At least in this thread I've realised there's still people with good manners that knows when they may ask for something from others or not.
I'm really really relieved. Thank you guys
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OK, home from work now. First, I am not ever going to infract or punish someone for expressing their honest opinion, as long as it is done in a civil fashion, so I definitely appreciate a good discussion.
To respond to this thread in a general fashion...I see vague complaints over a great many forums about mods doing this or that, or not doing this or that, but rarely any specific instances. We do have a thread in this forum: Moderators to assist should anyone want to bring up specific instances of problems. That means links so we can go there and fix the problems. Please feel free to use that thread. Please feel free to (continue to) use the report button as several dozen of you already have. I have several pages full of reports from this forum. Please feel free to PM me. Some of you have done this, I have received PMs from a number of members with requested actions of me. People have posted requests in the thread above as well. In fact that is really where this thread should have gone, but you don't really have specific examples, so ok.
So people here are reporting things which I am taking actions per the guidelines I have been issued by the Moderator Committee. "Strict" is all relative. I thought I had been strict but fair so far. According to other mods, including jayharper08, I have been too lenient. I am not sure how much "modding" the Galaxy users here want but I can state that the answer is not leaning towards "lenient" based on the number and types of reports I am getting. If people here didn't care, they wouldn't bother to report thread after thread, post after post.
Without any specific examples I can't really give you specific answers as to why I took whatever action I did, but I can tell you that my motivations for working many many MANY hours on XDA that have led to being a moderator were definitely not to close or move threads or posts from other users in other forums I had no real time or interest for given that I never owned or ever will own any of them, or to have to explain repeatedly that it is NOT OK to distribute paid applications here on XDA as this is a community of developers, some of which do make their living from writing software, and that piracy is stealing in exactly the same fashion as if it had been lifted off the store shelf and walked out with it, or to reluctantly hand out infractions to users after PMs and warnings proved not to be sufficient. We don't like to do this. Not one mod I have talked to enjoys having to discipline members, but the alternative is far worse. We are not going to let XDA go downhill like many other sites have done. There are community rules and the rules will be followed, for the benefit of all in the community.
Now, to answer this thread with a very specific example which in all honesty seems to the the *real* issue underlying most other issues in this forum.
Hillbeast.
First, can someone point me to a thread or something written down which says exactly what hillbeast was supposed to do and when? I don't want to prejudge the situation, but all I know so far is that several phones were purchased with pooled monies, one of which went to hillbeast, one went to dhiru (I think, not sure on this one), and one went to another (unrecognized?) dev that I can''t recall the name of who seems to have skipped. If there is something written down that gives me very clear guidelines on what was given and what was expected it would be very helpful here, instead of vague complaints and ETA demands, which frankly I did erase without a second thought.
I see several posts here in this thread concerned that I might have erased something important. I promise to every one of you that I deleted nothing that would remotely qualify as "important" or more to the point "relevant" to a dev thread. If there was anything even slightly technical or related in those posts, I would keep it and erase only the unrelated parts. I deleted the initial offending posts which were reported, then I removed the followup piling on posts, some of which went overboard and were also reported. When arguments start, both sides posts are going to be deleted. No one is more right from all evidence I have seen so far. Since I do not own this device and am not in any of the factions here, I am not taking any sides, but I will defend any members from unwarranted attacks or unsubstantiated claims.
I am not sure how many people here have even the faintest understanding of how real development works. Too many people I think have a completely wrong understanding based on ROMs they are seeing from "devs" that are nothing more than zip jockeys. Frankly, I doubt there is one person in 10,000 here on XDA that can really understand what hillbeast is trying to do. Without benefit of assistance from the manufacturer.
In fact, the manufacturer doesn't even want people doing this at all since it might cause them not buy the newest model phone.
So what I need here is the contract that was agreed to by hillbeast and the other devs and the members here. I can't go by anything vague or that isn't stipulated by 100% of the involved parties. I wasn't here when this deal was set up, but I promise to carefully evaluate everything and I will act fairly.
Thank you,
mf2112
EDIT: To be clear, I am not saying I am going to take an action here. My gut feeling as someone who has worked around software development for more than 10 years is that many of you guys are simply being too impatient. Especially given that hillbeast (despite the irony of his username ) is not an employee of anyone here to the best of my knowledge.
As far as how people want me to mod...well, I am not jayharper08 so I am not going to do things like he did. I can tell you that I don't want to run the forum. I don't want to go through all the threads and posts and find "modly" things to do in my not-so-spare time. When people report things then I come check it out and figure out what to do. Since people here report a lot, I am here more often, which is fine with me but some people may not appreciate. BTW, your thread was not reported, I found it on my own. :victory:
The above being said, I am human and I can make mistakes. If anyone has an issue then talk to me. If I did something wrong I will correct it. If you disagree with something I have done then let me know why (civilly) and I will explain to the best of my ability. You have no reason to fear talking to me in public or private. I became a mod to help people here, not harm them.
Mf2112,
Firstly I would like to thank you for taking the time to sit and read through this and place your points on the table along with your opinions. In a way the thread wasn't that hard to find (Considering the Triangle and the word "Moderator" brings people to see what's being said, pretty nifty tactic I learned over at the GNexus side LOL) as much as I would like to press thanks, the ever so wonderful system has permitted me from my daily 8 limit. And I would do so because this was more or less the response I least expected, in the sense, it's a good response, infact an unbiased one but touches all areas, like a pedophile checking his new victim.
Before I start this, I have no ill intention towards HB, but the whole ETA in the HB thread turned sour only because the agreement between developer (I would hold my word on the developer part) and community was made in exchange. Yes his help was sought out because we had believed that XDA is a place where people share their expertise. Do what is agreed upon (with a fair deal ofcourse) and we don't place any high expectations or hopes in such. But when it's been half a year, that's when things start to roll considering with each passing month, another flagship Class A/B phone get's launched, which is the initial reason why the ETA's went up in flames (But ofcourse this only applies to who ACTUALLY can do something with it). I would have agreed if HB had stated what he lacked, and why he was unable to provide so, he had done initially in the beginning, but when it was more of "Speak first, we listen, then show us what you have done" he turned all silent, which turned tides.
There were 4 phones donated, DoomLord, Fuss132, dhiru, codeworkx. Each of them presented something within a short time of the device they were given, I mean such is the expectation isn't it? I know pooling isn't a big deal considering its $5-$10 each person, but if the community was aware that there were going to be no results that would emerge then they would have donated to XDA instead and gotten a pretty gold star beside their name. I don't know if I'm being too emotional over $5-$10's, but when you climb up that harsh economy ladder from a third world country like most of us do, you suddenly get that feel of how important/valuable $1 is. (Consider the fact that some would find people crazy to spend over RS/PHP 20k over a phone where that would pay up for 1 semester of a College student)
I completely agree however of the mindless babble of those who submit no contribution but have high # of posts. It's insane. But with XDA having 5+ million online user's daily, It's hard to determine who helps and who doesn't. Which is why I've mentioned you have done a splendid job in clean sweeping the arena. Keep up the great work and sorry if this has gone a bit indepth.
HE SAID HIS DONE..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=33321046
HOW WAS THAT SIR..
PLS BE FAIR..
I THINK WE CAN DEMAND NOW!!
ITS PEOPLE'S DONATED PHONE...
THAT IS NOT A CANDY THAT WE CAN JUST forget??
That wasn't hillbeast. That was my fellow mod wardfan220.
why he closed the thread then...
WE just want to know, what is the status in finding that phone..
Wow. That was totally uncalled for.
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I am not assuming that the phone is still with hillbeast, im feeling that he just making alibis.
That was quite unfair, mods closing a thread that was supposed to be the hub of our development.wonder what happens now?
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I understand, but what was going on there wasn't development. We just want the temperature to cool down a bit before things are said which cannot be unsaid and all kernel development opportunities are lost. Emotions are running very high right now, understandably so, but I would like everyone to think carefully before hitting the "submit reply" button. hillbeast may post in the next several hours that he has the phone and everything is fine, and I would prefer that everything be able to continue as it was before.
Thank you,
mf2112
^ did you(mods) let hillbeast know? Will he message you if, at all, he finds the phone and decides to start work on the development?
I had a question for him on my last post, but that I guess I can put on his UART thread.
Hetalk said:
^ did you(mods) let hillbeast know? Will he message you if, at all, he finds the phone and decides to start work on the development?
I had a question for him on my last post, but that I guess I can put on his UART thread.
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I am not sure, due to time zone differences I suspect not though. Hillbeast can reopen the thread himself later.
^Ok. We'll wait and see what he does.
Hetalk said:
^ did you(mods) let hillbeast know? Will he message you if, at all, he finds the phone and decides to start work on the development?
I had a question for him on my last post, but that I guess I can put on his UART thread.
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Your persistence is to be lauded:thumbup:
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Forgive me for this but why is his alibies always backed up by a mod? Help me out while I'm trying to see this whole batman and robin/bonnie and clyde scene here. I don't remember reports being called in for that thread and if anything the blame is on who lost the phone. If anything we're just being patient and understanding but patience has it's limit when the bark doesn't match the bite.
I am not trying to back up anything, I am just asking for civility between everyone.
At this point, I think it is better to just ask for the device back after hillbeast finds it and stop all of the verbal assault. With the attitude of the senior members toward hillbeast and even team utterchaos, It will be a lot harder to attract developers to our community.
Forget attract, try the word "keep"
@Mf2112 didn't mean it to you. Just find it weird wardfan is always around when he screws up. Hence the word mod and not mods
^^ True Misledz ... with the kind of developers we're attracting, and kind of support these non-performing assets are accumulating, eventually we will not be able to keep our current devs/themers/modders (very few) in the flock.
Already we've seen most of our original devs and themers getting new devices because of this indifference(by name worshipers) to their performance so far.
I'm proud of Dhiru who still has worked wonders on this device, without any notable support from these so-called famous developers.
obviously we are done on this project thats because of mods that defending on hillbeast all the time and now see what happened ,,, the device lost without any noticable development ,,,
i think we should planning with our next phone after i9003
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Forget attract, try the word "keep"
@Mf2112 didn't mean it to you. Just find it weird wardfan is always around when he screws up. Hence the word mod and not mods
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I'm not backing anyone up. The thread got out of control and I got sick of dealing with reports from that one thread all day. I agree that its messed up that the phone "got lost" but xda is supposed to be a civil place for development, that thread was neither civil nor development based. As I said there, if you have a problem pm me, don't open new threads.
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wardfan220 said:
I'm not backing anyone up. The thread got out of control and I got sick of dealing with reports from that one thread all day. I agree that its messed up that the phone "got lost" but xda is supposed to be a civil place for development, that thread was neither civil nor development based. As I said there, if you have a problem pm me, don't open new threads.
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See my new thread here. Please keep it civil.