HE SAID HIS DONE..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=33321046
HOW WAS THAT SIR..
PLS BE FAIR..
I THINK WE CAN DEMAND NOW!!
ITS PEOPLE'S DONATED PHONE...
THAT IS NOT A CANDY THAT WE CAN JUST forget??
That wasn't hillbeast. That was my fellow mod wardfan220.
why he closed the thread then...
WE just want to know, what is the status in finding that phone..
Wow. That was totally uncalled for.
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I am not assuming that the phone is still with hillbeast, im feeling that he just making alibis.
That was quite unfair, mods closing a thread that was supposed to be the hub of our development.wonder what happens now?
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I understand, but what was going on there wasn't development. We just want the temperature to cool down a bit before things are said which cannot be unsaid and all kernel development opportunities are lost. Emotions are running very high right now, understandably so, but I would like everyone to think carefully before hitting the "submit reply" button. hillbeast may post in the next several hours that he has the phone and everything is fine, and I would prefer that everything be able to continue as it was before.
Thank you,
mf2112
^ did you(mods) let hillbeast know? Will he message you if, at all, he finds the phone and decides to start work on the development?
I had a question for him on my last post, but that I guess I can put on his UART thread.
Hetalk said:
^ did you(mods) let hillbeast know? Will he message you if, at all, he finds the phone and decides to start work on the development?
I had a question for him on my last post, but that I guess I can put on his UART thread.
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I am not sure, due to time zone differences I suspect not though. Hillbeast can reopen the thread himself later.
^Ok. We'll wait and see what he does.
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^ did you(mods) let hillbeast know? Will he message you if, at all, he finds the phone and decides to start work on the development?
I had a question for him on my last post, but that I guess I can put on his UART thread.
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Your persistence is to be lauded:thumbup:
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Forgive me for this but why is his alibies always backed up by a mod? Help me out while I'm trying to see this whole batman and robin/bonnie and clyde scene here. I don't remember reports being called in for that thread and if anything the blame is on who lost the phone. If anything we're just being patient and understanding but patience has it's limit when the bark doesn't match the bite.
I am not trying to back up anything, I am just asking for civility between everyone.
At this point, I think it is better to just ask for the device back after hillbeast finds it and stop all of the verbal assault. With the attitude of the senior members toward hillbeast and even team utterchaos, It will be a lot harder to attract developers to our community.
Forget attract, try the word "keep"
@Mf2112 didn't mean it to you. Just find it weird wardfan is always around when he screws up. Hence the word mod and not mods
^^ True Misledz ... with the kind of developers we're attracting, and kind of support these non-performing assets are accumulating, eventually we will not be able to keep our current devs/themers/modders (very few) in the flock.
Already we've seen most of our original devs and themers getting new devices because of this indifference(by name worshipers) to their performance so far.
I'm proud of Dhiru who still has worked wonders on this device, without any notable support from these so-called famous developers.
obviously we are done on this project thats because of mods that defending on hillbeast all the time and now see what happened ,,, the device lost without any noticable development ,,,
i think we should planning with our next phone after i9003
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Forget attract, try the word "keep"
@Mf2112 didn't mean it to you. Just find it weird wardfan is always around when he screws up. Hence the word mod and not mods
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I'm not backing anyone up. The thread got out of control and I got sick of dealing with reports from that one thread all day. I agree that its messed up that the phone "got lost" but xda is supposed to be a civil place for development, that thread was neither civil nor development based. As I said there, if you have a problem pm me, don't open new threads.
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I'm not backing anyone up. The thread got out of control and I got sick of dealing with reports from that one thread all day. I agree that its messed up that the phone "got lost" but xda is supposed to be a civil place for development, that thread was neither civil nor development based. As I said there, if you have a problem pm me, don't open new threads.
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See my new thread here. Please keep it civil.
Related
I had them in my last rom, and i updated to the latest version and there is no option to chang songs or no now playing music on the pull down menu. any way i can get this back?
You can start by not spamming the dev section.
Man Shut Up, I am trying to get some help and if you dont have nothing to offer dont respond.
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You can start by not spamming the dev section.
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Firstly, this plus one.
I'm assuiming you mean on the latest gbread leak ee03?
Now, I don't think its a missing feature, but rather something about the status bar is broken. If you notice while you are in the music player app, the icon for the music player controls pops up in the status bar, but pull the bar down and its gone. And as soon as you leave the music app the icon disappears as I'm sure you're aware.
I believe its the status bar and not the app that's the problem since the same symptoms occur with the fm radio (haven't tried pandora yet)...even tho fm radio is borked lol
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Man Shut Up, I am trying to get some help and if you dont have nothing to offer dont respond.
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Wow, and please don't tell k0 to shut up. He's given you more than you realize. If I had known you'd act like a child I wouldn't have just posted my insight to your problem.
And fyi, you DID post in the wrong section, so you deserve the criticism.
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Man Shut Up, I am trying to get some help and if you dont have nothing to offer dont respond.
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Hmm, good reading skills and pleasent. Welcome to the community. I recommend you put questions in the Q&A forum, which is easy to miss because it says Q&A on it.
Impaler, we need you get this outta here!
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#1 - If I Made a mistake and posted in the wrong section or incorrectly, somebody could have simply let me know, and not tried to attack me, or make comments that were not needed. It takes respect to get respect.
#2- If 1 person has already addressed the situation, why are the rest of you waisting your time and energy to say the same stuff the last person said.
#3- I appreciate all that he has done for us, but that dont mean i will kiss his ass, nor allow him to disrespect me in any kind of way. If you are not a mod, dont address me like you are one.
It seems as nobody on the site can stand on their own 2 feet, and wants to jump in everybody else business..lol. Guess you guys have nothing better to do other then take up for your internet friend buddys smh.
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#1 - If I Made a mistake and posted in the wrong section or incorrectly, somebody could have simply let me know, and not tried to attack me, or make comments that were not needed. It takes respect to get respect.
#2- If 1 person has already addressed the situation, why are the rest of you waisting your time and energy to say the same stuff the last person said.
#3- I appreciate all that he has done for us, but that dont mean i will kiss his ass, nor allow him to disrespect me in any kind of way. If you are not a mod, dont address me like you are one.
It seems as nobody on the site can stand on their own 2 feet, and wants to jump in everybody else business..lol. Guess you guys have nothing better to do other then take up for your internet friend buddys smh.
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1. He wasn't disrespectful, you were....
2. Because you don't seem to get it...
3. Kissing ones ass, and taking their advice on how to get help in a forum you obviously have no idea how to use, are 2 different things..
How is this not our business? You post it in a public forum and tell us to mind our business...
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This thread is not development. Thread closed. Do not post in the incorrect section, and do not flame. Thank you.
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Wow, and please don't tell k0 to shut up. He's given you more than you realize. If I had known you'd act like a child I wouldn't have just posted my insight to your problem.
And fyi, you DID post in the wrong section, so you deserve the criticism.
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Wow! I cant believe he told him to shut up like that. He obviously doesnt know anything about anyone here and all that they do for us.
LIKE I SAID..I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING THAT HAS BEEN DONE FOR US!!!!, I Did not know where to post my question and that i was doing something wrong...so i may have made a mistake but the way it was addressed was rude as hell. I dont know where yall are from but we dont talk to people that way around here.
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LIKE I SAID..I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING THAT HAS BEEN DONE FOR US!!!!, I Did not know where to post my question and that i was doing something wrong...so i may have made a mistake but the way it was addressed was rude as hell. I dont know where yall are from but we dont talk to people that way around here.
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Stfu n die!
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Hmm, good reading skills and pleasent. Welcome to the community. I recommend you put questions in the Q&A forum, which is easy to miss because it says Q&A on it.
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That was awesome. LOL
megabillzilla said:
Hmm, good reading skills and pleasent. Welcome to the community. I recommend you put questions in the Q&A forum, which is easy to miss because it says Q&A on it.
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WINNAR! Wait a minute, I thought this was closed? Impalerfail?!
Closed for real this time
Ok I'm gonna go ahead and make this thread because I know that I'm not the only on that this is pissing off.
1. If you are new to the sgs4g forum then read the rules ( because this obviously isn't happening)
2. "I'm a newbie" or "sorry I'm a noob" is not an excuse
3. Use search, we here at the sgs4g are not cha cha. We are not here to search for you. If you legitimately search and can't find anything, then ask
4. If you post a question or topic in one thread don't post it in another just because you aren't getting the responses you think that you should.
5. Do not pester our devs about an up and coming ROM they are working on, they are doing there best and will release it when done. some of us have personal lives and families, please respect that.
6. Do not post question inquiring about anything illegal or asking someone how do do something illegal, we will not help you.
7. Haven't seen it in a while but, DO NOT ask anyone for their EFS folder. This folder holds very sensitive information to the phone and the phone owner. If someone was to give you this folder and you have their imei then the person helping you get it from runs the risk of being black listed by their service provider, they also run the risk of "earning" a class c felony (if im not mistaken, i do know it is a felony though) if the person asking stole the phone and is wanting to change imei.
Please enjoy yourself here and enjoy the great roms and mods our devs provide.
Sorry if someone doesn't like the fact that I posted this but obviously nobody reads the rule thread, and some members are becoming a problem because of that .
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Dude, I totally agree with you! There's so many of the same threads clogging up the forums now. -.-
The worst part is, they probably won't read this anyways.
well theres 131 views so hopefully some of this nonsense stops happening
jdubb
hopefully people will read this and respect it.
also may I suggest a rule #6
Don't piss me off!
lmao, you think after you tell so many people one thing people reading it would take the hint to search for **** their self, not oh i cant find it please help (honestly im just lazy) cuz i can take 2 min of my time and search and come right up with it
Hey... Im so new im not a noob yet and even I know about search and that standing in green clouds or fire is bad.
I do know however that there are some talented folks here and I totally appreciate the hard work they do.
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Yea i'm new too and haven't asked or have any questions yet and dont mind me just tryin to get 10 comments so I can post in dev
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Op. You should rename the thread to "please don't read this" lets try reverse psychology on these entitled people.
Don't push the red button
thats crazy...so crazy it just might work
lmfao
Rofl you qctually renamed it. Well itvis eye catching l. Heh
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Damn it I always do things I'm not supposed to. Hope others do to!
Funny renaming it jdubb. Also funny that you can now just use it as a link in other threads. Way faster than typing "posted in wrong section again".
Good post bro..honestly we shouldnt have noobs taking pages on ROMS or anywhere on how to root and have cwm etcc
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It will be good that you use the report system though to avoid any unrelated and non dev posts and threads.
The eyes of the moderators and administrators are all of you. Help us keep out the cluttering and the forums clean.
Thanks,
Thanks trying to do what I can
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Humpty bumpty bumped up this thread...
...............*bump*
Hooray for the sticky.
Thanks it to a while...but here it is.
i always search for the answers to my questions before i bug anyone on here. you would think it would b common sense
ok, so ive noticed both the One-Click and Subtly Modified Kernel threads are locked and i didnt see him say anything about having them locked or going on hiatus. does anyone know if everythings alright? did he quit devving? move to Rootz? someone has to know something...
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ok, so ive noticed both the One-Click and Subtly Modified Kernel threads are locked and i didnt see him say anything about having them locked or going on hiatus. does anyone know if everythings alright? did he quit devving? move to Rootz? someone has to know something...
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He got tired of the BS that goes on around here. He said that he was tired of answering question that could be answering by people just doing a little research, and was also tired of people not following the "rules." I completely understand his frustration. He wrote a huge post about it which I think can be found in the gerneral section titled "thinking of leaving XDA" or something like that. He even said he was thinking of disappearing and keeping his work to himself. I do not know if he has stopped deving or just went somewhere else. But god I hope he hasn't stopped deving for us.
Damn noobs making all the mistakes, yet we get the consequences aswell.
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He's still deving. Mods locked his threads and that was the last straw. You'll be able to find him on rootz though.
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Glad to know, thanks! Let's see if i could remember my rootz account, it's been too long!
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Why'd the mods lock his threads? And I knew he had talked about moving to Rootz if people wouldn't follow the rules, etc. I just never saw a "See ya, I'm out" type of post
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Look at his signature.
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Look at his signature.
Sent from my SGS 4G.
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what signature? looks to me like it was removed.
sent from within pure darkness
Ah, he must've removed it. It said something to the effect of, "I'm leaving. Figure it out on your own."
His signature did change.
Regardless, you can follow his work on github:
https://github.com/bhundven
It answers the question of what is he doing- working on a CM build/kernel.
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I just never saw a "See ya, I'm out" type of post
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...See ya, I'm out... kinda. Still working on this phone, I just don't care to partake in the xda shenanigans anymore. Yup, sourceforge and github are where I do stuff.
See: http://bhundven.users.sourceforge.net for more... it should also point you to teamacid, teamnerd, and my personal stuff.
A few senior moderators have pm'd me, and I reexplained my opinion on xda, which they seem to agree with.
This site is called: xda-developers
I think this site needs to go back to being a place for "DEVELOPERS", like it once was.
The "Thinking of leaving..." post was deleted (afaik) because the users started to act unrully in it. Go figure. Good job guys.
But what I stated in that thread, and I will restate here. I'm not done developing, but I don't have a lot of time to work on this stuff. I'm close to getting cm7 to boot, but I will guess that after it works, and there will be lots of fixes before it is stable for users to use. So even if I get cm7 booting I won't release it right away. I do not want to push out a rom that doesn't work right. (well, good enough for me).
do what you gotta man. you have my full support. just wish people were as patient as i am. keep up the awesome work. also, if you need any help with anything, just let me know. i'm willing to test things out and also willing to help out with any graphical ideas. you know how to reach me.
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I'm close to getting cm7 to boot,
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I love you.
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he got tired of what im getitng tired of... The same useless posts the same stupid questions.... No one reads no one stays on topic in the dev fourm. The im new and dont know **** is old hat people just want spoon fed info dont wanna actually read...
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he got tired of what im getitng tired of... The same useless posts the same stupid questions.... No one reads no one stays on topic in the dev fourm. The im new and dont know **** is old hat people just want spoon fed info dont wanna actually read...
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You should lay some rootz down somewhere else. That would be better for those of us who know how to read and actually appreciate what you all do for us and are not impatient and rude.
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I love you.
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lolz... the important part of what you quoted was after what you quoted...
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...but I will guess that after it works, and there will be lots of fixes before it is stable for users to use. So even if I get cm7 booting I won't release it right away. I do not want to push out a rom that doesn't work right. (well, good enough for me).
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Bryan,
Nice to see you back even for a short time. Thanks for all that you've done and are continuing to do. I can understand the frustration with this site especially if your actual trying to Dev. Best of luck and thanks for this kernel.
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You should lay some rootz down somewhere else. That would be better for those of us who know how to read and actually appreciate what you all do for us and are not impatient and rude.
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I actually had some free time and i decided to read alot of the threads last night and i can see why you all get so frustrated with people asking "when will you be done??" "how does this work??" I had to read for about three days on just how to even root.. let alone flash my first rom.. but we all wont learn everything if we dont take the time to read it fully ( I love the whole trial and error of it.) Im by all means am not tech savvy but this site has all the answers to ALL the questions to ALL the beautiful roms on this site.. kernel's, roms, baseband, builds, and even mods.. all work in conjunction with eachother.. for me its like putting my own perfect puzzle together to my liking.. Brian has helped me out alot.. Ive only been a member on this site for a short period of time and it pains me that you all feel this way.. Im not a dev.. Im a nurse.. I do know from my career it can be frustrating from people asking the same questions over and over and over.. Ive asked alot of questions and you all have been so helpful to me.. Im just sorry you all feel this way.. I remember signing up a few months ago i watched the video and i got it.. there are alot of different personalities on this site some good some bad.. its just sad that a few "idiots" have got to screw it up for the rest of us that are willing to learn... Ive learned alot in my two months of being here and i just wanted to take the time and say thanks to all of you.. I love this site im on it all the time.. for me personally its a great site my Favorite period.. its just sad that all this ignorance would cause a great person to leave.. thanks Brian for all you have helped me with.. blessings to you and your family man..
Thanks bryan we will never forget you as u have done a big change to our phone... may the good Lord bless and keep you,, will always be at your side..
I am also thinking of migrating to rootz. I already have an account.
So I am reposting my rom over there. See me if you wish. I will respond to pm, and I will post rom updats and "Link Up" etc....
Do you think we will ever have ICS on the galaxy s 4g? I mean we saw it on G1, and lots of unsupported phones, and on the galaxy s 1 which doesn't support ICS officially. What is the problem stopping the development ?
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Do you think we will ever have ICS on the galaxy s 4g? I mean we saw it on G1, and lots of unsupported phones, and on the galaxy s 1 which doesn't support ICS officially. What is the problem stopping the development ?
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Threads like this.
Also, the other phones have like a billion and one kernel devs. Not to mention our phone is Sammy's black sheep, by that I mean this phone is way different from other sgs.
Lastly, we have at least 3 other ICS threads why not ask there?
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ismailham said:
Do you think we will ever have ICS on the galaxy s 4g? I mean we saw it on G1, and lots of unsupported phones, and on the galaxy s 1 which doesn't support ICS officially. What is the problem stopping the development ?
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You haven't downloaded the source code and tried to help us port it. We need your help.
I'm trying really hard to remain "civil".....really I am
FBis251 said:
You haven't downloaded the source code and tried to help us port it. We need your help.
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I like that answer lol
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Why does everybody get annoyed when a regular person just wants to know whats wrong out of curiosity? I don't want any ROM or anything I just wanted a technical answer. is the problem the source code being unreleased? will the company ever release it?
I wish I could help, I would really love to. Its like a dream or long term goal to be a dev, study programming languages etc... but that requires lots of time and I'm just waiting a bit as i'm not sure where to start.
I am sorry for any misunderstanding as I know Devs already have rough days and nights with developing and improving. I wasn't "Demanding" or "pushing" as i'm not that person. I am just seeking knowledge, and if the Q&A section isn't the right place to search for Knowledge then I don't know where is.
The problem isn't with you so much as it is with the million dollar question that's been asked and answered a million times....its the question all devs cringe over when they see it repeated time n time again.
Put yourself in their shoes for a minute.....they put out as much as they can with what they can and people keep popping up this same question like they just aren't happy with what they are getting
To answer your question, and anybody else that wants to ask,
It is being worked on. We cannot get ICS to boot due to coding and kernel issues. I semi successfully ported an ICS ROM, but due to all the mods and changes, it felt empty. So we went back to the drawing board and started over. Since we don't have source code, it makes things much more difficult. Be patient. And for the record, the first place to search for knowledge is Google. Fb is right though. We do need more help. The more people we have working on this, the better our chances are. Learn how to compile kernel and ROM from source. Learn scripting. And learn how to Google...
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The problem isn't with you so much as it is with the million dollar question that's been asked and answered a million times....its the question all devs cringe over when they see it repeated time n time again.
Put yourself in their shoes for a minute.....they put out as much as they can with what they can and people keep popping up this same question like they just aren't happy with what they are getting
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I do understand what you mean, and I already put myself in the dev's shoes and I really admire their work, all of it. But I went through all the threads regarding ICS, and sadly their aim is to push , demand and request stuff from devs as if devs don't have enough on their minds already, and that is really annoying and disrespectful. But not all people are like that. I don't have any requests( I have a Nexus S with ICS, SGS 4g CM7.2) I am just seeking knowledge.
I am really grateful for what each and every DEV offers as it is from their personal and free time. Sorry for any misunderstanding
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To answer your question, and anybody else that wants to ask,
It is being worked on. We cannot get ICS to boot due to coding and kernel issues. I semi successfully ported an ICS ROM, but due to all the mods and changes, it felt empty. So we went back to the drawing board and started over. Since we don't have source code, it makes things much more difficult. Be patient. And for the record, the first place to search for knowledge is Google. Fb is right though. We do need more help. The more people we have working on this, the better our chances are. Learn how to compile kernel and ROM from source. Learn scripting. And learn how to Google...
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I really thank you for your answer sir. You have helped me a lot, I hope I can lend a hand in any way possible. I will read about kernel/rom compiling. I googled many stuff about a month ago but its so vast and big I sort of got lost and stopped.
Thank you...
Sorry for double posting...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/Samsung_Galaxy_S/SGH-T959V
erikmm said:
Also, the other phones have like a billion and one kernel devs. Not to mention our phone is Sammy's black sheep, by that I mean this phone is way different from other sgs.
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What Thomas posted is true but the main reason we dont have a working ICS port is this statement above.
The op makes a good point, this is the Q&A section. Even tho there are many threads asking this same question most of them have ended up in bashing with nerf bats or a mod locking because of insults. Ive read the other threads, but most people will stop reading when the conversation turns sour. You might actually read the other posts but your mind shuts it down. So a informative post will slip in and you wont catch it.
The biggest problem with threads that ask this question is assumptions. When people stop assuming and start to understand the person asking the question things get resolved.
thomas.raines said:
To answer your question, and anybody else that wants to ask,
It is being worked on. We cannot get ICS to boot due to coding and kernel issues. I semi successfully ported an ICS ROM, but due to all the mods and changes, it felt empty. So we went back to the drawing board and started over. Since we don't have source code, it makes things much more difficult. Be patient. And for the record, the first place to search for knowledge is Google. Fb is right though. We do need more help. The more people we have working on this, the better our chances are. Learn how to compile kernel and ROM from source. Learn scripting. And learn how to Google...
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I'd like to help, how would I go about doing that?
brandonc0526 said:
I'd like to help, how would I go about doing that?
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jump on irc and go to the teamacid channel this evening...
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thomas.raines said:
jump on irc and go to the teamacid channel this evening...
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Joined too late man. Tried to take a break at work but I couldnt
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brandonc0526 said:
Joined too late man. Tried to take a break at work but I couldnt
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Send me a PM when you guys get on
Firstly i'll admit this may come off as a rant, but i will be making some valid points that i believe need to be addressed
Secondly, i really don't care if anybody finds this offensive because well points need to be made and sometimes they have to be bluntly made.
Thirdly, i'm sure many of you will agree with me on these points.
Fourthly, @Mods i understand this may come off a bit harsh to some people but again things need to be said.
Finally, please enjoy this read
Well here's the story of how i ended up writing this thread, ever since the Galaxy S3 came out many of you probably noticed that i was constantly helping people every single day, basically answering the same questions day in and day out. For a while i was fine with that, but the past few months i've almost ceased posting entirely, why you ask? Because answering the same questions everyday when their are plenty of stickies, and plenty of threads already asking those exact questions just got tiring and frustrating. Its very simple to search the forums as well as google, and to post a thread asking about a problem that can be answered by simply looking 1 to 5 threads down is just laziness and not needed. I understand people want answers quickly, but sometimes where you post these issues becomes an issue as well.
Issues #1: READ THE ORIGINAL POST (OP)
Example A: Bajee11 brought rootbox to our phones, and now he's closed his thread. Why? Because people couldn't just read the original post and keep non-development talk out of his thread.
Thread can be found here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2134052
If you read his original post right below the downloads section is a Non-development | Discussion | Support banner in big bold letters with a link to where non-development talk should be discussed, simple enough to read and understand. Its not hidden away at all, so their should be no reason why somebody can't see it.
What happened? Somebody flashed the i9300 (european) rom onto their i535 (verizon) phone. And essentially bricked the phone (wouldn't boot up) and that user posted about it asking for support. (ALL posts in their have since been removed so i can't show them to you but please take my word for it)
At this point, support should not be asked in the developers thread when he's stated not to post non development stuff in his thread.
But that's now what happened, people started helping him which is nice to do, but again in the wrong place. And posts continued which clogged up the thread and made things more difficult. Eventually the developer asked that it be stopped and taken somewhere else so that his thread wasn't clogged up with that junk, and this is what happened.
Originally Posted by Internet Guy
Don't be a ****. This forum is here to not only provide Roms and various tools for android users, but also to provide help when needed.
Take a chill pill, friend.
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Bajee11: Dude, this is my thread so I expect the rules to be followed. I have over 20 threads to maintain and I don't want to come back here for every single post when it's not development related. You guys have no clue how hard it is to track bugs when users don't follow any rules and specially when you got several devices to maintain. Not only do you not know what a development thread is, you even take on me for pointing out this not the right place for bricked phone discussion? This is why XDA has different sections for these kind of things and users like you should learn that. Anyways, closing thread.
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Somebody goes and decides to challenge him instead of being respectful and taking NON ROM DEVELOPMENT talk somewhere else, it could've easily been dealt with in PM's, or searching the forum, or help me god making yet another thread about it.
This user that had an issue could've solved his problem by simply looking at this sticky thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2079399
Why is this a problem?
Well quite frankly the people that were using the Rootbox rom now have to sit, wait and wonder whether support will continue for D2VZW or if they should move on, just because some people couldn't read the OP and follow the simple requests, and had to feel the need to then challenge the OP instead of just respecting him.
Oh but that only applies to one rom my rom is fine
Have you ever tried to figure what bugs are in a rom only to be forced to read a million posts that aren't related to that rom at all but instead somebody doing something stupid resulting in user error not rom error? I know i have, its so frustrating to have to skim through 20 pages when in reality if people could keep things where they belong we wouldn't have that issue. Once you flash something that's not stock on the rom, ANY BUGS that occur are not the roms fault, because their is no way of knowing whether whatever you flashed caused it or not.
Flash a different kernel, then have x,y,z errors? Post in the KERNEL thread about it, i guarantee you'll get more kernel support their than in the Rom thread. You could make a simple post in the Rom thread and say "hey guys i flashed X kernel and now Y isn't working, just letting others know" Bam end of story, its simple, alerts other users and keeps thing clean.
Okay so that's one post but i see a million of them, okay well lets say User A posts that, then users B-Y post irrelevant nonsense then user Z posts the same thing as A, that's why you see it a bunch. Because B-Y or a combination had irrelevant information in their posts.
Solutions:
Option 1: I realize this is hard but please people have some respect and self control and keep posts where they are relevant. Or maybe the mod's should just start warning/giving infractions to people that can't obey the rules and have some damn respect when a developer asks you to please take business somewhere else.
Option 2: Instead of cluttering up the development thread, go make some thread in Q/A even though that'll go against my second issue it'll be better than clogging up relevant rom information/development, that users want to see. I'm sorry but if you brick your phone flashing something that's not meant for your phone that your own damn fault for not reading what you're download and flashing.
Option 3: If you can't read the OP then you shouldn't be rooting your phone. Honestly folks its not hard to read the OP, its their for a reason, not for you to skip down to the downloads link, flash the rom, and then say "X and Y are missing" when in the OP it clearly states they aren't there. And what do you know that's one more useless post.
Time for me to take a breath...
Issue #2: Not using the search function
I realize this may be hard for people to understand but its their for a reason, not to just look pretty. Its sole purpose is to try and keep things clean and help users to find helpful information. How many of you use google search everyday? i know i do, probably over 100 times a day and its very helpful, so i KNOW that you other users have used a search engine before, so why not use the one on XDA? Its not rocket science and its got plenty of options to help you narrow stuff down.
Hell even before you post a thread, it'll automatically search for relevant threads related to your title.
Notice: When you enter a thread title the system will search for similar threads which have already been posted. That should help you to find answers.
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Now tell me are you blind, or do you choose to ignore it? I'm guessing its the second one. Or maybe people are too lazy to just read the titles of threads, i guarantee you whatever issue you are having somebody else has had and already got an answer for it. Obviously we can't force people to use it, but please people, google is your friend, the search bar is your friend.
Solutions:
Option 1: Up the post requirement for development sections, i know i know this probably will be hated but its clear that it's needed. People still can't seem to just get it right anymore. Maybe if they have to spend a little more time actually using the forum they'll actually start to realize all these helpful things around them.
Option 2: Can we just start banning people? haha i kid i kid. But seriously, can we give Rom developers the right to edit posts in their respective threads, so if they deem something as pointless, then bam deleted
At this point i'm out of breath and tired from staring at the screen.
But i'll leave with this 99% of errors are user errors not rom errors. Yes that's right i'm blaming the users, because hey its your fault for messing something up. I flash rom's everyday and yet i don't have these crazy errors that others have, but hey i'm flashing stuff that's meant for my phone People really need to stop being dumb and start reading the OP it contains so much information, i swear some of you will flashing anything even if in the OP it states "THIS WILL DESTROY YOUR PHONE" and guess what, you'll flash it anyways because you're too lazy to take ONE minute to read it. You could read while making your nandroid backup, oh hey that's a great idea And when you have an issue, just use the search function.
I understand we were all noobs at once, but still... like i said, most issues are user error.
TLTR:
-Please read OP's
-Please use the search bar
-Please post issues in their respective threads
-Please don't post irrelevant nonsense in development threads, that's not the place for it.
-Please if you flash anything not stock with the rom, don't blame the rom.
-Please post rom issues in rom threads, and kernel issues in kernel threads.
-Please if you do something stupid, keep it out of the rom/kernel thread.
-Please read stickies, they contain more information than your heart desires and will help you in the long run.
-Please try and understand where i am coming from
Oh and again, i don't care if i offended some of you.
-NeverEndingXsin
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Haha, you quoted that?
I don't let phone stuff get to me. Life's too short. But maybe this will help, maybe not
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On accident. I'm so used to replying with a quote that I forgot not to.
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bobAbooE said:
Haha, you quoted that?
I don't let phone stuff get to me. Life's too short. But maybe this will help, maybe not
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The final straw for me was that a recognized developer closed his thread due to people being rude, inconsiderate, and not reading the OP. Figured it was time to say something.
Neverendingxsin said:
The final straw for me was that a recognized developer closed his thread due to people being rude, inconsiderate, and not reading the OP. Figured it was time to say something.
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Happened when I was on the Rezound as well. People made Erishasnobattery really mad, and he and Apophis closed off the paradigm thread.
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Obaterista93 said:
Happened when I was on the Rezound as well. People made Erishasnobattery really mad, and he and Apophis closed off the paradigm thread.
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Its a damn shame things go down like that. But i can't blame the developers for getting sick of it. People expect everything to be handed to them on a silver platter, but that's not how life is.
Good thread Neverendingxsin. I've had this problem too and had to get mods to intervene multiple times due to childish behavior -_-
PureMotive said:
Good thread Neverendingxsin. I've had this problem too and had to get mods to intervene multiple times due to childish behavior -_-
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Thanks As a user myself i find it hard enough to deal with, as a developer i imagine its a whole lot worse. Just trying to make things a bit easier for you guys!
This really needed to be said. People feel way to entitled around here. You don't realize what you have until you lose it.
luis86dr said:
This really needed to be said. People feel way to entitled around here. You don't realize what you have until you lose it.
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I couldn't agree more. Everything that i know to this day about android i learned by reading threads, reading stickies, and paying attention to problems others are having and the solutions to them. Its not hard to do.
Neverendingxsin said:
I couldn't agree more. Everything that i know to this day about android i learned by reading threads, reading stickies, and paying attention to problems others are having and the solutions to them. Its not hard to do.
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If only everyone could have that mentality, it would make the drama on XDA far less than what it is.
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If only everyone could have that mentality, it would make the drama on XDA far less than what it is.
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Keyword: "If" i doubt that would ever happen
The problem is the people that post all that clutter aren't going to find this thread. They are way too lazy.
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llama555 said:
The problem is the people that post all that clutter aren't going to find this thread. They are way too lazy.
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Not even that they won't find the thread, but they'll just skip over it. And then anyone that actually opens the thread most likely won't bother to read this OP either...
That's the truth
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Unfortunately, it's always going to happen. The best we can do is report the offending posts. The more you report, the more the mods, and admins will take notice. They will in turn, notify the offenders, and remove the posts/threads.
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Unfortunately, it's always going to happen. The best we can do is report the offending posts. The more you report, the more the mods, and admins will take notice. They will in turn, notify the offenders, and remove the posts/threads.
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Mhmmmm. But when developers decide they don't want to develop for a particular phone due to users being like that it starts to become an issue.
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Mhmmmm. But when developers decide they don't want to develop for a particular phone due to users being like that it starts to become an issue.
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That's why you report the offending posts, as soon as you see them.
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That's why you report the offending posts, as soon as you see them.
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Shouldn't be necessary in the first place. My entire point is that people should be reading OPs and showing respect for them.