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"Looks like Google wasn’t the only one getting a huge acquisition today. While they were off buying MotorolaMobility today Samsung was busy hiring yours truly — Steve Kondik (aka Cyanogen himself)."
http://androidcommunity.com/samsung-mobile-hires-steve-cyanogen-kondik-20110815/
Wonder what this is going to mean for future development for CM roms.
Why would it mean anything? Do you really think Cyanogenmod is his day job? He'll keep working on it in his spare time, like he has since day 1.
Of course, even if Cyanogen had to drop out completely, CM has a whole team of people behind it, not just him.
I know it's not his day job, but it may be a conflict of interest with his new one.
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I know it's not his day job, but it may be a conflict of interest with his new one.
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Like what if they try to tell him he can't develop for other phones? Hmm...bad thoughts.
Id like to say this is a good thing for the future of CM and modding in general, but I have a bad feeling about it.
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Why would it mean anything? Do you really think Cyanogenmod is his day job? He'll keep working on it in his spare time, like he has since day 1.
Of course, even if Cyanogen had to drop out completely, CM has a whole team of people behind it, not just him.
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If you think for one second Samsung is going to allow him to work on CM then your smoking some crazy ****.
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If you think for one second Samsung is going to allow him to work on CM then your smoking some crazy ****.
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Why? Cm7 and custom roms in general are used by a tiny percentage if the phone-buying population. It's difficult to think about, but a good 95% of people that own android phones have no idea what rooting is, will never update the operating system even if an ota us pushed, and possibly don't even know their phone its android. All they know is that their phone is T-Mobile and it lets them check facebook. If they're feeling really adventurous, they might even download angry birds.
These are the kinds if people that Samsung makes its money off of.
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you all are thinking in 2D. cyanogen mod will become the "test" environment for samsung. they get free "testing" from tons of users and then they will package and deliver the final product on their phone without having to root. that would make the most sense to me so they should encourage cyanogen mod development.
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you all are thinking in 2D. cyanogen mod will become the "test" environment for samsung. they get free "testing" from tons of users and then they will package and deliver the final product on their phone without having to root. that would make the most sense to me so they should encourage cyanogen mod development.
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you just described a perfect dream.
Well, I know what company I'm buying my next phone from.
Samsung just making the right moves.
I wonder what his title is gonna be....I purpose mobile systems czar.
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ashman3000 said:
I wonder what his title is gonna be....I purpose mobile systems czar.
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Sorry meant propose, silly swype!
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sstang2006 said:
you just described a perfect dream.
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ya that would be nice. i guess we'll see how samsung behaves. they can be like redhat that offers fedora for free but then they have the enterprise version redhat that they sell. or they can be like oracle who bought our sunmicro and then pretty much ended open office. But i guess open office now diverged into libre office so its not all bad. i guess cyanogen will continue one way or another.
CyanogenMod is a self running system. Download AOSP and convert it to specific devices.
Plus he's one Guy out of a whole team. I'm sure he doesn't touch every device. I wonder if he even touched the G2x?
Although I think this is good news. Perhaps they are just working with Samsung to setup an automated system like the CM team have now... nightlies across multiple devices running the latest Google code. Just tweaked here and there.
LG G2x - 2.3.5 MIUI or CM7.1
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This wouldnt be a conflict of interest, he isn't paid by anyone for the work he does with CM. Plus recently samsung has been really buddy-buddy with the development world I highly doubt they would say hey stop working on CM..
Remember Happy Employees = Productive Employees.
Berat said:
This wouldnt be a conflict of interest, he isn't paid by anyone for the work he does with CM. Plus recently samsung has been really buddy-buddy with the development world I highly doubt they would say hey stop working on CM..
Remember Happy Employees = Productive Employees.
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http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2011/08/android-cyanogen-samsung/
"While Kondik says CyanogenMod and Samsung won’t have anything to do with one another, it’s easy to think his background in user interface tweaking and phone customization will influence Samsung’s software design. Especially after the company sent Kondik and a number of other CyanogenMod hackers free Galaxy S2 handsets well before the wide release of the phone."
player911 said:
CyanogenMod is a self running system. Download AOSP and convert it to specific devices.
Plus he's one Guy out of a whole team. I'm sure he doesn't touch every device. I wonder if he even touched the G2x?
Although I think this is good news. Perhaps they are just working with Samsung to setup an automated system like the CM team have now... nightlies across multiple devices running the latest Google code. Just tweaked here and there.
LG G2x - 2.3.5 MIUI or CM7.1
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www.SnapSiteAdmins.com
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Cyanogen used to own a g2x.
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Especially after the company sent Kondik and a number of other CyanogenMod hackers free Galaxy S2 handsets well before the wide release of the phone."
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Well that settles it, Samsung clearly cares about its reputation with advanced users, and shutting down cm7 is about as hostile as it's possible to be.
This is going to work out great.
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Too bad Samsung sucks donkey balls as far as support and continued updates go.... Cyanogen was the guy that helped the companies like Samsung because they never provided continued support for their devices. Hopefully Cyanogen helps them improve their quality, but if not I hope he doesn't do it for free on the side.
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Too bad Samsung sucks donkey balls as far as support and continued updates go.... Cyanogen was the guy that helped the companies like Samsung because they never provided continued support for their devices. Hopefully Cyanogen helps them improve their quality, but if not I hope he doesn't do it for free on the side.
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I understand the hate towards Samsung during its Behold II days but since then it has gotten better and better until they became the most innovative Android manufacture recently. Their processors continue to own the competition. Everyone wants to get a hold of their displays and NAND memory and every single itteration of TW has gotten less and less intrusive. Their most recent flagship phone, the GSII has already received numerous updates. I don't know what type of update tine frame you would like our phones to get but quite frankly, all update timeframes suck if you buy a US branded phone. If you want to blame someone for our updates then blame our carriers. Updates over seas come out in a timely fassion. The European Sensation has already received 2 but the US Sensation hasn't received one.
So I ask you. What company in your opinion is good with updates and why?
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So I ask you. What company in your opinion is good with updates and why?
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google, because they actually send them out in a timely fashion.
sorry its the only ones i truest anymore, ill likely only go pure nexus branded phone from here out.
you can thank samsung and lg for that.
All of us who have rooted and flashed ROMs to our phones will have seen and read disclaimers stating that we risk voiding our waranty if we go any further. Do you think this is fair bearing in mind that these custom ROMs are based on the same open source code that the phone manufacturers use in their stock ROMs?.
Do you think that Google and the phone manufacturers should work more closely with the 'unofficial' devs in order to get 'official approval' for the clearly superior custom ROMs?........
Do you think that phone manufacturers should take things a step further and supply rooted phones (on request)......
or even supply 'ROMless' phones where the end user can apply their ROM of choice......
or should things remain the way they are?......
what do you think?.........
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All of us who have rooted and flashed ROMs to our phones will have seen and read disclaimers stating that we risk voiding our warantees if we go any further. Do you think this is fair bearing in mind that these custom ROMs are based on the same open source code that the phone manufacturers use in their stock ROMs?.
Do you think that Google and the phone manufacturers should work more closely with the 'unofficial' devs in order to get 'official approval' for the clearly superior custom ROMs?........
Do you think that phone manufacturers should take things a step further and supply rooted phones (on request)......
or even supply 'ROMless' phones where the end user can apply their ROM of choice......
or should things remain the way they are?......
what do you think?.........
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On 99% of these phones you can just flash stock RUU or flash stock Odin + reset flash counter and it's as if you never rooted anyways.
Lol...yeah I know that.....but my question is about manufacturers stopping all this stupidity over 'voiding waranty' and accepting that end users don't necessarily WANT to be stuck with a 'stock' ROM, and 'officially' giving them the option to choose for themselves......
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Lol...yeah I know that.....but my question is about manufacturers stopping all this stupidity over 'voiding warantee' and accepting that end users don't necessarily WANT to be stuck with a 'stock' ROM, and 'officially' giving them the option to choose for themselves......
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Well look at it from their point of view, you can easily brick a Samsung phone by flashing the wrong thing in Odin. Remember that leaked kernel that was bricking people's N7000? Samsung was honoring RMAs I think and even helping the dev community find the bug!
But there are higher brick rates with rooting or flashing insecure kernels. Even on the HD2 when we had HSPL, if you flashed a radio ending in .51 on the tmobile unit, bam instant brick.
Same with the iPhone 3GS, if you flash the iPad baseband on a later than week 34 of 2011 model to carrier unlock, bam your NOR chip is fried and you have no radio.
How about doing an OTA over a custom ROM? HTC devices get bricked that way, all that wrong hboot version garbage.
Sure, custom ROMs are built from an open source kernel, but that kernel is often modified, and just because the new modified kernel has a source repo, does mean it is safe to flash? Hell, the N7000 ICS ROM is "open source" but if I flash it on a I717 guess what you get? Paperweight.
My opinion is (and I think Samsung operates this way), if the rooting is NOT the cause of your problems, they honor RMA, if rooting caused the problem, they have a right to deny.
Yeah I understand that there are risks involved in rooting and flashing the wrong software etc....this is why I suggested that Google, the manufacturers and devs *could* work more closely together....one way of doing this could be that all parties jointly set up and run/monitor a website where one page is reserved specifically for each make/model of phone where the software links for upgrading that specific phone are contained only on that specific page....I think that'd be workable....what about you?
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Yeah I understand that there are risks involved in rooting and flashing the wrong software etc....this is why I suggested that Google, the manufacturers and devs *could* work more closely together....one way of doing this could be that all parties jointly set up and run/monitor a website where one page is reserved specifically for each make/model of phone where the software links for upgrading that specific phone are contained only on that specific page....I think that'd be workable....what about you?
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No, because you will still have idiots flashing things they shouldn't be, just like on this site. It very clearly says in the HD2 forum NOT to flash a .51 radio on a tmobile unit, and you still get these threads "HELP I FLASHED 2.08.51 RADIO AND NOW MY PHONE WON'T TURJN ON"
You can't coordinate against stupidity.
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No, because you will still have idiots flashing things they shouldn't be,
You can't coordinate against stupidity.
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Lol.....yeah ur always gonna get the occasional idiot, some people just can't be helped.....but the website I described would keep these mishaps to the absolute minimum....you'd go to the page specific to your phone and if the link wasn't there you couldn't flash it......
Google has the infrastructure to build the website....
The manufacturers have the relevant info about their phones...
And the devs have the upgrades......
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Lol.....yeah ur always gonna get the occasional idiot, some people just can't be helped.....but the website I described would keep these mishaps to the absolute minimum....you'd go to the page specific to your phone and if the link wasn't there you couldn't flash it......
Google has the infrastructure to build the website....
The manufacturers have the relevant info about their phones...
And the devs have the upgrades......
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Honestly the website you describe is this forum.
Is there anything that this website would have that XDA lacks?
There's no doubting that this website (XDA) is a fantastic resource.....but speaking from my (limited) experience it seems to lack *some* continuity....my case as an example....I wanted to flash cwm to my phone...I was having trouble finding the resources I needed....in the end I asked for help....which I was given....my point is...up until that moment, the resources I needed weren't grouped together on one page...they were spread across the website....as a noob, I could quite easily have selected the wrong download and permanently FUBARed my phone....
That's what I'd like this theoretical website to provide...all the resources needed to upgrade a specific make/model of phone grouped together on one single page.....
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There's no doubting that this website (XDA) is a fantastic resource.....but speaking from my (limited) experience it seems to lack *some* continuity....my case as an example....I wanted to flash cwm to my phone...I was having trouble finding the resources I needed....in the end I asked for help....which I was given....my point is...up until that moment, the resources I needed weren't grouped together on one page...they were spread across the website....as a noob, I could quite easily have selected the wrong download and permanently FUBARed my phone....
That's what I'd like this theoretical website to provide...all the resources needed to upgrade a specific make/model of phone grouped together on one single page.....
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With a million phones and a million carriers and a million recoveries I don't see how you could possibly do that on a single page.
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With a million phones and a million carriers and a million recoveries I don't see how you could possibly do that on a single page.
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Yes...I agree...it's a potentially massive undertaking....but the Infrastructure, resources and info are already available.....
It's not like Android is a 'niche' market, over the last year or so, it's seen some massive growth....as we go into the future, there are going to be more and more users who aren't going to be satisfied with just the 'stock' experience....so unlocking a phones potential is going to be seen as way more mainstream and high profile than it currently is....everybody needs to realise this before it becomes a real issue...where you have your 'average joe or june' with their phones fresh out of the box...trying to unlock and upgrade....and getting it disastrously wrong. There are users with varying levels of tech savvy out there....those of us here on XDA are probably more tech savvy than most....there are going to be users who haven't heard of XDA....or if they have, they've decided it's just another 'geeky' forum (no offence intended). Some of those users are going to see what other peoples phones are really capable of and think to themselves 'i want my phone to be able to do that'. It's not unreasonable to suggest that the numbers of these erm 'tech challenged' users are very soon going to be larger than the tech savvy users and that as a result, unless a user friendly resource is made available, a great deal more phones...through no fault of their own....are going to end up bricked. You may say that's nobody's fault but the end user.....I would say that I agree to some extent....BUT....partial responsibility HAS to be shouldered by Google and the manufacturers too....after all Google made the code 'open source' and the manufacturers ran with it. So as I suggested in my OP, they should shoulder some responsibility to a) help ensure things don't go wrong In the first place and b) provide support if they do.......
Bottom line......Google and the manufacturers helped create the situation by building this capability into the OS and phones, it's just a cop out to hide behind waranty statements after the fact........
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You don't realize that us users who root and flash custom **** make up less that. 1% of the market share of Android users.
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I didn't know that it was as low as that....but I've a feeling that this will change...in a big way...
Consider the mess that Samsung made of rolling out ICS, what if that happens with future releases of OS upgrades....when you combine that possibility with the ever increasing numbers of Android users....a lot of who are not going to accept that sort of delay...it's fair to say that more and more users are going to seek an alternative option.....even with that aside, with more people buying Android phones, more people are going to be prepared to risk unofficially upgrading, as a result of this, more 'general' Android users are going to see modified phones and think that they'd like to have a phone as capable as their friends.....so yes, the percentage at the moment probably is that small, but it has the capacity to snowball exponentially to a very large percentage.....it may take time, but imo, it will go that way......
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As the hardware gets better and better there's less of a reason to root. Back during the donut/froyo days you had to flash ROMs but these days on quad core jellybean there's no real reason other than us freaks...
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Don't forget about the phones that are left behind and forgotten about by their manufacturers....I'm using a galaxy W, and if I hadn't rooted and flashed CM9, I'd still be running stock gingerbread.....as it is, there's a very real possibility that I could end up running jellybean in a few weeks......that in itself is reason enough to root.....and I'm sure i'm not the only Android phone owner who finds themselves in this unenviable position.....
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Lol....And then there's the original reason I decided to root....getting rid of all the pre installed c**p that was clogging up my phone when I brought it.....I mean...t blox and millionaire city and hang man....really?...lol
Another reason I rooted was to gain some control over the permissions that my apps were requesting.....LBE privacy guard allows this.....as long as I am rooted.....bit of a no brainer really......
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After asking @HTC USA on twitter for an update when Jelly Bean 4.1 will be released for AT&T HTC One XL flagship and here is what they had to say! Blah!!!
HTC USA @HTCUSA
@SmallvilleKrypt Yes, it will. We don't have a date yet but we should know more soon.
What were you expecting? Pointless thread is pointless.
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What were you expecting? Pointless thread is pointless.
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Basically to state that they no longer care about their flagship phone as it no longer is their flagship phone :/
From what I read the One X + is coming out Friday I wouldn't imagine our update coming out before then since jelly bean is a selling point for the new phone.
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Wait, so they told you yes and you're mad? Would you have preferred no?
The person running the Twitter feed is likely a 22-year old liberal arts major in charge of social networking. I'd put exactly zero confidence into their responses.
You're really surprised OP?
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From what I read the One X + is coming out Friday I wouldn't imagine our update coming out before then since jelly bean is a selling point for the new phone.
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Htc said it would not be released till the onex+ was released
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Basically to state that they no longer care about their flagship phone as it no longer is their flagship phone :/
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The one x was their flagship, not us the one xl
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Wait, so they told you yes and you're mad? Would you have preferred no?
The person running the Twitter feed is likely a 22-year old liberal arts major in charge of social networking. I'd put exactly zero confidence into their responses.
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I'm not mad because they said "YES" I'm upset, because they have mentioned in the pass that it would be coming out in October for AT&T HTC One X and we are still waiting. I already know that it will come out eventually, but I was just trying to get an ETA and the info I was provided is not accurate nor an estimate.
I Agree with the post above that they are delaying this due to One X+ being released with Jelly Bean already and being a selling point. Why is everyone so grumpy about the post i'm just sharing information with the forum. I'm sure there are plenty of people out there that are wondering as well.
I read on a site that they did start rolling out the Jelly Bean update to the HTC in Taiwan. Check this article out, thanks.
http://www.gottabemobile.com/2012/10/26/htc-one-x-jelly-bean-update-starts-rolling-out/
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I'm not mad because they said "YES" I'm upset, because they have mentioned in the pass that it would be coming out in October for AT&T HTC One X and we are still waiting. I already know that it will come out eventually, but I was just trying to get an ETA and the info I was provided is not accurate nor an estimate.
I Agree with the post above that they are delaying this due to One X+ being released with Jelly Bean already and being a selling point. Why is everyone so grumpy about the post i'm just sharing information with the forum. I'm sure there are plenty of people out there that are wondering as well.
I read on a site that they did start rolling out the Jelly Bean update to the HTC in Taiwan. Check this article out, thanks.
http://www.gottabemobile.com/2012/10/26/htc-one-x-jelly-bean-update-starts-rolling-out/
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cuz the one x was teh flagship... not the xl. ofc they updated the one x.
USA hardware is different than Taiwan hardware. The update will need kernel changes, who knows, maybe for each carrier.
Plus, thanks to Apple and the screwed up court decision, our basic Sense apps are also different.
You can't take the Taiwan rom, change languages, and be ready to distribute.
Being ready elsewhere means that they've engaged in the commitment.
Being ready here will take longer. Sucks, yeah, but later isn't never.
And if they hadn't laid people off after Apple caused a nice stock scare, maybe we would all have it by now.
I know who I'm disgusted with, and in the meantime, there are many interesting and fun roms for those who like to root while we wait.
Different how?
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Different how?
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The internals are not even similar for the one x and one xl
EarlyMon said:
USA hardware is different than Taiwan hardware. The update will need kernel changes, who knows, maybe for each carrier.
Plus, thanks to Apple and the screwed up court decision, our basic Sense apps are also different.
You can't take the Taiwan rom, change languages, and be ready to distribute.
Being ready elsewhere means that they've engaged in the commitment.
Being ready here will take longer. Sucks, yeah, but later isn't never.
And if they hadn't laid people off after Apple caused a nice stock scare, maybe we would all have it by now.
I know who I'm disgusted with, and in the meantime, there are many interesting and fun roms for those who like to root while we wait.
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Yeah I guess your right, but I left CM10 came back to stop, because battery life is much better and I can't give up the Stock HTX ONE X camera. I know the 4.2 camera is not bad, however it still not way near as good as the one x native camera.
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The internals are not even similar for the one x and one xl
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Software is definitely different in the US as well, it's hamstrung by app associations. Took devs a while to crack that after the last release.
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Yeah I guess your right, but I left CM10 came back to stop, because battery life is much better and I can't give up the Stock HTX ONE X camera. I know the 4.2 camera is not bad, however it still not way near as good as the one x native camera.
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Don't know if ViperX works for you, or if they have a variant for you yet. I like Viper4G (Sprint), it's pretty good.
EarlyMon said:
Software is definitely different in the US as well, it's hamstrung by app associations. Took devs a while to crack that after the last release.
Don't know if ViperX works for you, or if they have a variant for you yet. I like Viper4G (Sprint), it's pretty good.
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We have ViperXL
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it's hamstrung by app associations. Took devs a while to crack that after the last release.
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Would you mind elaborating? i have no clue what you mean
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Certainly.
Here's a post from another forum when we had our first fix, it covers the patent itself -
EarlyMon at AF said:
This is Patent US5946647 - System and method for performing an action on a structure in computer ... - Google Patents
A system and method causes a computer to detect and perform actions on structures identified in computer data. The system provides an analyzer server, an application program interface, a user interface and an action processor. The analyzer server receives from an application running concurrently data having recognizable structures, uses a pattern analysis unit, such as a parser or fast string search function, to detect structures in the data, and links relevant actions to the detected structures. The application program interface communicates with the application running concurrently, and transmits relevant information to the user interface. Thus, the user interface can present and enable selection of the detected structures, and upon selection of a detected structure, present the linked candidate actions. Upon selection of an action, the action processor performs the action on the detected structure.
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This bs patent was applied for in 1996 and not granted until the dot-com, hog-wild, patent-changing days - it was granted in 1999.
It is widely known to be violated by Microsoft's right-click on content, something widely done before the patent was even applied for.
In this case - you get a youtube link by text - open with browser or youtube app - that's covered by the last two sentences of the quote above, in fact, it's covered exactly.
Anyway - if you want the fix, this is it, there are many debates on Apple/HTC patents in the Lounge and the Android Lounge and it's pretty much all the same - Apple sucks (true), the patent laws are now broken (true), Apple has known about this Sense violation for a long time (true), others are violating this so-called invention and haven't been sued yet (true), etc etc etc etc.
This is the fix for the problems of not having links show up as links in email and not getting selection for browser vs Maps or browser vs YouTube or browser vs Play Store in text messages or web pages, etc.
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Here is a post from elsewhere on XDA. Your takeaway - the top picture is how HTC Mail should work and does work in the rest of the world - the bottom picture is how Mail works in the USA when presented with web link in plain text. Notice that the normal action is to detect the url and make a link.
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I restored to Viper 1.0.0 with the Linkify option installed (build.prop edit we all loved, thanks for that! ) -
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Ok, for good measure, here is that exact same message with Viper4G 2.0.2 and #Fapple -
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PS - if desired as a test message, drop me a line via private message.
Also, I forwarded this to a Gmail account. When read with Mail, no links. When read with Gmail, the links appeared. So Gmail will automagically create links on outgoing and incoming.
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That's been removed. Along with other free-form app associations.
So we're clear - the behavior I'm describing is still the default on Gmail on your phone and in many places on your Windows PC.
It was prior art. Apple did not invent it. Yet, thanks to our messed up patent system, they got a patent on this.
Apple went after HTC on this a few years ago - no one else, just HTC.
In a decision that surprised even the judge's own clerks, in the 4th quarter of last year, Apple won a suit against HTC granting an injunction against distribution of the software. The market panicked, the internet was full of "proof" that HTC stole, consumers panicked thinking that they'd no longer get support and HTC's meteoric sales climb in 2011 came to an abrupt halt. Investors panicked. HTC earnings dropped.
The blogosphere, with all of the intelligence of brain-damaged monkeys, let loose with their HTC hate and said that the sales drop-off was a clear indication that everyone hated the people-centric Sense features (by then, adopted wholesale by Google for for ICS and the same bloggers praised it as a revolutionary breakthrough while picking lice from one another) and that's why HTC was a failure.
Newcomers to Android believed it and the myth was propagated until Mobile World Congress in Barcelona 2012 where the One X and Sense 4.0 was unveiled. Banana-eaters fell over themselves reporting on the new "light-weight" Sense (that is the same size at Sense 3.5) as a victory for monkeys with keyboards. HTC, not stupid, agreed with the blogosphere.
The One X train left the station, full steam ahead.
Enter Apple, they petitioned the courts again, not satisified that HTC was really following court orders. HTC clearly was, but that never stops a good shark-lawyer.
Next up - May of this year and HTC phones are held in quarantine by the US Customs Bureau while they checked again. Release dates were missed and re-scheduled for several HTC models (including the X), buyers got scared again - in no small part to the monkeys, now fully lobotomized, telling people that the USA might never see an HTC One X. Investors went from panic to bed-wetting of tidal proportions, and the head of HTC had to get help from the Prime Minister of Taiwan to curb the panic.
Oh, and then it turned out the phones were fine and got shipped. Full of hype, black eyes and lies but shipped and those of us who care about what we like, liked the One X and we bought them.
But - for that reason - basic Sense apps like Mail, Messaging, Calendar - do not perform the same stock in the USA as they did earlier this year and as they still do everywhere else in the world.
HTC first put in a simple on/off switch. Turn in one way, it's Sense. Turn it the other, it's hamstrung Sense. Easy to change. So easy that Apple complained again and with the Android 4.04 release, the latest Sense apps are _very_ different than before and you can't change it with an on/off switch.
There is a root mod to fix it in the Sprint community, called #Fapple, I'd guess it's out there for the One XL by now, but I'd have to check.
PS - The #Fapple pictures above were during debugging and aren't final the solution, but they show the point well enough.
TL/DR version - not HTC's fault that they have to make more than one version of things to work with JellyBean, and that adds time.
Honestly I'm just praying we see something by early Q1 of 2013.
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Honestly I'm just praying we see something by early Q1 of 2013.
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I hope so, too.
I'm hoping that the Droid DNA (Verizon variant of the J Butterfly, the new breed) and their exclusivity with VZW will give us breathing room before their new product prep and announcements at MWC 2012, and that breathing time will be used for us.
The old HTC was first on the block with updates, in the past year or so, many on the forums have charged that they drive the latest to new buyers before supporting old ones.
If we see the update soon enough, that will show me that they're back to their old ways.
Hope so!
i have been blabbing and shouting about samsung going for its own OS. But most people here were like android is the big fish its free and found saying that samsung cant ditch royalty free android. I have noticed there move when they let the cyanogen community leave the exynos so easily.
Tizen is what i heard is the upcoming open source os by samsung. I knew the way samsung was growing the influence of TW on its phones.
It will be both good and bad for samsung to manage the updates google free and can be free from the limitations. But on the other hand ita development might be slow because of just one vendor putting it on their phones.
So instead of android becoming samsung. Samsung made its own android.
Tech keeping pace.....
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Is it something like Samsung becoming like Apple?
Samsung as a hardware Manufacturer so far so good. But as a developer of complete OS, I am not sure. What happens to 100s and 1000s of Android applications?
Edit: Google must have sailed 7 rough seas and moved 7 tough mountains to make android what it is now. (still it could not make it's presence on desktops)
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Well soon google will realize the mistake of going complete open source. I have also mentioned this to google before to make some properitery libs in the android regarding security issues. But google didnt listen. Now android should meet its competition.
Seems like now android wont have the best of the best hardware rather samsung will bring it on its own os. Thats why maybe they saved the flexible display and didnt plan to put it on s4.
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It will be a very sh1tty OS like bada i hate. I working a hundred or more phones monthly (in a service center since 5 years) and i can say that Samsung is the worst software developer company. All Samsung platform in the past was simple, as simple as crap. Todays Samphones (smart ones) are very good but they using other companies software as base. I still think Bada is a dead end sorry if there are bada lovers in here. Android has some years behind and its a real benefit. Finally sorry for my bad English knowledge.
I really doubt Samsung will launch an own OS; What could happen would launch an Android-based OS, but with another name.
Ugh.. Thisll be like badda os.. BAD OS!!! :/
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Have a Wiki read about the upcoming OS : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tizen
Using meego samsung is trying to do what nokia should have done... I always appreciate the good work. If they come up with something better i will definitely go and get it.
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Have a Wiki read about the upcoming OS :
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I hope I am reading the wiki wrong becouse it sure looks like a HTML5 based app sdk. Web based apps might look good on paper for developers that want easy porting but from a user experience perspective they just suck compared to native.
I will concede that Enlightment libraries are very efficient and fast, though.
My question is, do users really need yet another mobile OS?
bada+meego
yuck
android will do very well while it is being developed
who knows after that.
unfortunalby it's a near future for android being less used by companies, just look at Firefox OS wich is in the cloud completely(i'm not really comfortable with this idea tough.) and now samsumg... i just hope they don't fall in the WebOS failure it was...
phone networks in many countries wont support cloud based operating systems. It would require far too much bandwidth. Alot of countries,? especially poorer countries, still don't have fully 3g networks.
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phone networks in many countries wont support cloud based operating systems. It would require far too much bandwidth. Alot of countries,? especially poorer countries, still don't have fully 3g networks.
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Thats absolutely true. Bandwidth is a real issue. But the real deal is that one has to cope with the advancements. Lack of resources cant hinder the development.
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here all the phone networks use edge for their mobile internet. Good luck with that one. It might be possible for a cloud phone specifically designed for use in parts of the US and western Europe. But outside that its going to fail compared to native apps. Poor countries can barely maintain their existing networks let alone pump millions into upgrading networks for just one os
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The Ubuntu Mobile will kick all the OS's a bit back.
I am also positive for ubuntu. But the one thing i didnt understand is why ubuntu is so late in grabbing the phone platform.
the success of any new os is only if they allow the existent device to switch to their OS and not just the upcoming phones. Thats the only way they can grab a bigger marketshare.
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Ubuntu hasn't really been ready for a release to the average user yet.
The X.org display server alone is a huge problem, it kinda sucks, with the Wayland display server being developed there's more of a hope.
That and the fact Ubuntu in general is pretty awful to manage; every version since 10.04 has seen me go more and more into the terminal because settings in the GUI just vanishes or becomes more obscure.
Truth is the average user has no interest in using the terminal, except for various simple copy/paste'able commands.
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The Ubuntu Mobile will kick all the OS's a bit back.
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LOL Ubuntu. Keep dreaming mate.
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Im also thinking that the ubuntu will get some success jn mobile platforms. The main advantage in the ubi is the linux kernel. I would not be surprised if it can run android apk-s like BBX.
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LOL Ubuntu. Keep dreaming mate.
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Too true.
As much as I think they're on to something with that, I'm not sure they've got even a clue how they'd get to Android style adoption.
The Google edition of this phone looks incredible, although its really expensive. I don't know if its even worth it, when ROMs like AOKP are available. I have a few issues with the idea of buying it or the desire to do so.
When the Google edition comes out, will the device even be able to use the hardware like the IR blaster? Also, will users on the ATT and other models be able to flash the ROM/firmware anyway?
What do you guys think? Are there any other advantages to the Google edition?
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No IR support. Rumor has it for 4.3 release supposedly. If you don't have the Google edition you can't install it on none google versions and you won't get updates from Google. However I am sure there will be Dev who port it for the telco vendor versions to work.
That's so strange that they'd even consider selling hardware with components that aren't supported. So besides stock jelly bean (which doesn't even have the features of AOKP), the Google version has almost no advantages? And for more than three times the price? I saw earlier that they're on pre-order on eBay for $850. What's the point? I must be missing something.
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This is the point, the Google Edition devices are meant to be developer friendly and showcase stock vanilla android...the IR blaster is something thats proprietary hence no AOSP code is available for it (stock android), drivers/source needs to be released for those components... the Google Edition devices are bootloader unlockeable unlike the ATT version (ours uses a bypass exploit to install custom things which by all accounts has been patched in a future OTA due to be released)....also they come factory sim unlocked...they will get Google Updates first before carrier branded devices, think of them as Nexuses without the Nexus name. I won't be getting a GE S4 as I have a Nexus and will wait for the next Nexus, however I'm excited to see the GE released as it means AOSP code will drop, this will help devs tremendously in fixing issues such as bluetooth.
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That's so strange that they'd even consider selling hardware with components that aren't supported. So besides stock jelly bean (which doesn't even have the features of AOKP), the Google version has almost no advantages? And for more than three times the price? I saw earlier that they're on pre-order on eBay for $850. What's the point? I must be missing something.
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It's less about the phone itself.
1. Having a stock rom version appeals to many advanced users, such as us on XDA. It has the stock experience, without the nexus line limitations, such as the SD card. It makes their die hard fans happy and most of us are very enthusiastic about it.
2. It is a key strategic move by Google. By allowing other manufacturers to sell "stock" versions on the play store, Google can move ahead and sell Motorola phones from the store without appearing to be biased to their own hardware. They're telling consumers they have options.
Unlike Apple this is what I like about Google. Give me options and let me decide which I want.
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It's less about the phone itself.
1. Having a stock rom version appeals to many advanced users, such as us on XDA. It has the stock experience, without the nexus line limitations, such as the SD card. It makes their die hard fans happy and most of us are very enthusiastic about it.
2. It is a key strategic move by Google. By allowing other manufacturers to sell "stock" versions on the play store, Google can move ahead and sell Motorola phones from the store without appearing to be biased to their own hardware. They're telling consumers they have options.
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Idk about you guys but I find this amazing! I have fallen in love with the ir blaster I wish they would have it in the Google s4
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Rumor is Android 4.3 will have native support for IR blasters.
I'd rather have an RF capability though.
I'm in a bind myself of what to do with the Google Edition S4. While I know that with this available to developers, ROMs will become much more stable, but really I'm not interested in that. I want to be able to completely flash my S4 to the Google Edition essentially, the biggest thing being able to receive OTA updates from Google. I imagine just downloading an image of the GE S4 and just flash it with Odin for example, and just go.
Is that realistically something that could happen, or is that just completely out of the question? I'm trying to avoid having to drop $650 on the same phone I already have, but don't want to wait to find out I can't do what I want, then be stuck with another Nexus 4 fiasco, where it's back-ordered for 2 months
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I'm in a bind myself of what to do with the Google Edition S4. While I know that with this available to developers, ROMs will become much more stable, but really I'm not interested in that. I want to be able to completely flash my S4 to the Google Edition essentially, the biggest thing being able to receive OTA updates from Google. I imagine just downloading an image of the GE S4 and just flash it with Odin for example, and just go.
Is that realistically something that could happen, or is that just completely out of the question? I'm trying to avoid having to drop $650 on the same phone I already have, but don't want to wait to find out I can't do what I want, then be stuck with another Nexus 4 fiasco, where it's back-ordered for 2 months
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Totally in the same boat. I got this S4 last week and I'm already hearing that I'd have to drop $650US for the GE
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Personally I would not drop 650 on a phone you already have. You want the Google experience install CM10.1. You want touchwiz and IR you can go back to Samsung ROM. Plus I am sure DEVs will have the image ported to our phones. Its a waste of money imo. I would rather save that money for the new nexus or x phone.
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How does google know exactly which devices are "Nexus" devices? Do they send the updates out to a list based on known Nexus/GE IMEIs, or is there something in the ROM that sends a beacon to them asking for the udpates, or?
I'm really hoping I can just flash the GE ROM to my S4 and slip into the update loop like the rest of the Nexus/GE owners.
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How does google know exactly which devices are "Nexus" devices? Do they send the updates out to a list based on known Nexus/GE IMEIs, or is there something in the ROM that sends a beacon to them asking for the udpates, or?
I'm really hoping I can just flash the GE ROM to my S4 and slip into the update loop like the rest of the Nexus/GE owners.
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I can't speculate on how the phone actually gets the ROM update and/or how the almighty Google gods know which device it is, but I do know that when people got their LG Optimus G's running the Nexus 4 software, they were able to pull down OTAs from Google directly.
How many times can the same conversation be had on this site?
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I can't speculate on how the phone actually gets the ROM update and/or how the almighty Google gods know which device it is, but I do know that when people got their LG Optimus G's running the Nexus 4 software, they were able to pull down OTAs from Google directly.
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Well that sounds pretty awesome, definitely gives us hope then!
I don't know why anyone is surprised about price and features. Samsung is not going to alienate the carriers that sell 99% of their phones.
So isn't it supposed to be available today? Any know where and how to purchase one
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How many times can the same conversation be had on this site?
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Lol - over and over until the release the damn thing and we know for sure ...
Thursday isn't it ?
G. :angel:
Seriuosly when is this going to be released? I thought it was today too. I was trying to order it last night at midnight
Yes I was excited of purchasing it today but its on the 26th that it will go on sale.. :banghead: oh well two more days
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