OK, so I am learning android (using HD2 now) and from what I understand when you use the htc boot loader unlocker you end up with a "tampered" warning somewhere that will let htc or your carrier know that you have unlocked your bootloader.
Does having s-off help you to be able to trick the phone from knowing that you have been into it if you flash it back to stock?
I am just worried about keeping insurance on the phone if once I unlock or s-off they will no longer cover it.
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I think that particular device will say, tampered. Soff is like security off you can fash roms and do many things with soff but no it does not trick the device into thinking its not tampered. With my device I can s on return to stock but I'm not sure about yours.
It might have tampered marked on it.
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Yes that will void warentee
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tobiascrystal said:
OK, so I am learning android (using HD2 now) and from what I understand when you use the htc boot loader unlocker you end up with a "tampered" warning somewhere that will let htc or your carrier know that you have unlocked your bootloader.
Does having s-off help you to be able to trick the phone from knowing that you have been into it if you flash it back to stock?
I am just worried about keeping insurance on the phone if once I unlock or s-off they will no longer cover it.
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It doesn't set a "tampered" flag. The stock bootloader has a caption at the top of *locked*. When you use htcdev to unlock the bootloader it will change that caption to *unlocked* and it cannot be undone.
S-off, on the other hand, does not notify HTC or your carrier of what you have done. It is also reversible if you really need to set things back to full stock.
realsis said:
Yes that will void warentee
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GROGG88 said:
It doesn't set a "tampered" flag. The stock bootloader has a caption at the top of *locked*. When you use htcdev to unlock the bootloader it will change that caption to *unlocked* and it cannot be undone.
S-off, on the other hand, does not notify HTC or your carrier of what you have done. It is also reversible if you really need to set things back to full stock.
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When you use HTC Dev to unlock your bootloader it does show Unlocked on the Hboot screen. But if you re lock the bootloader it displays re locked on the Hboot screen and not locked as it is originally. S-off can be reversed with out any trace of it being S-off. And now that the unbricking project has come up with a way to recover your de ice if going S-on soft bricks your device it is way less dangerous now.
At realsis, think about S-off as being like HSPL for the HD2.
I believe someone has figured out what was being set differently, and you can in fact return to "locked"
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I believe someone has figured out what was being set differently, and you can in fact return to "locked"
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Go on........
Don't know if this works for the Sensation, but if someone is trying to go back to locked hboot, give it a try.
Go back to totally stock. Flash a RUU, preferably GB so that you have an earlier hboot that can be easily S-OFFed again.
fastboot oem write secureflag 3
Reboot and you should be S-ON again. AGAIN, MAKE SURE YOU ARE TOTALLY STOCK WITH A SHIP HBOOT OR YOU WILL BRICK.
Use revolutionary to S-OFF again. Hopefully, you will be locked at this point.
If not, repeat, but use JuopunutBear to S-OFF.
If you're still unlocked, this method doesn't work on the Sensation.
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hi guys my sensation is s-off rooted and cwm recovery and now i wanna unlock the bootloader iv tryed htcdev bootloader unlocking with no joy any ideas thanks in advance
DanOMac said:
hi guys my sensation is s-off rooted and cwm recovery and now i wanna unlock the bootloader iv tryed htcdev bootloader unlocking with no joy any ideas thanks in advance
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Well since u went the revolutionary way ur all set to go as you got the best thing u can get, s-off. Plus I wouldn't even try goin the HTC route since I'm pretty sure it voids ur warranty(since they'll keep track of who uses it). And with the the revolutionary way, you can revert back to s-on if needed to send for warranty repair or sum
So go out and start flashing! (Well, roms ofcourse)
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Thanks 4the info I only wanted it unlocked so I can change the splash image I will just have 2put up with the standard 1
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You can change it anyway if you're S-OFF - you don't need to unlock the bootloader
Any ideas how cos iv tried a few ways now with no luck
Catch up apple!!! Android is leaving you behind
after revelutionary S-OFF my sensation,,, i have flashed this file ftom this link int the first post
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1122053&highlight=eng+S-off
but be sure to read everything,,,,
piimp said:
Well since u went the revolutionary way ur all set to go as you got the best thing u can get, s-off. Plus I wouldn't even try goin the HTC route since I'm pretty sure it voids ur warranty(since they'll keep track of who uses it). And with the the revolutionary way, you can revert back to s-on if needed to send for warranty repair or sum
So go out and start flashing! (Well, roms ofcourse)
Sent by my feau gee
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It only voids your warranty if that (unlocked bootloader) was what caused your phone to malfunction. All other warranties on the phone stay the same.
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hi guys my sensation is s-off rooted and cwm recovery and now i wanna unlock the bootloader
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It's already S-OFF, which means the bootloader is unlocked. It's simply called two things - S-OFF and unlocking the bootloader are the same process/thing.
Cheers guys but I still can't change the dam splash screen
Catch up apple!!! Android is leaving you behind
Finally all sorted i went from s-off RL to ENG s-off RL which has sorted my problem
Thanks to all that helped !!!
Just a quick question. I have a One S on T-mobile and Ive unlocked the bootloader, rooted the stock rom, changed the the CID, sim unlocked the device, relocked the bootloader and ran the the stock RUU. Its totally unbranded now and running just fine.
However in the bootloader it shows **Relocked** Is there a way to show **Locked** again? Ive tried searching, but cant find a definitive answer. Help is appreciated.
Not without S-OFF as far as I am aware. However, for HTC warranty purposes, relocked should be fine.
Thanks, not really an issue as such, but it would of rounded off my unbranding adventure nicely
Can't change it back to locked until we get s=off and ability to flash a custom hboot
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I have read various guides, and eventually taken the plunge to downgrade my bootloader.
htcDev Unlock
Goldcard
Install oldest RUU
S-OFF using revolutionary
Flash CWM recovery
Backup Stock 2.33 ROM with Sense
Install CM9
Feeling quite pleased with myself, even though you guys have really done all the hard work, I've just followed the steps!
What I can't find is this;
If I go back to the Stock ROM and updates are offered OTA, if I accept, will this, not only bring me back to 2.3.5 with Sense 3.0, but also change my bootloader back to 2.00.0002 Locked and S-ON ?
Unfortunately it will be *RELOCKED* and S-ON
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Unfortunately it will be *RELOCKED* and S-ON
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What he said. If you wanted to remain "locked" and not "relocked" - you should have avoided unlocking the bootloader, and should have used temp-root for misc_version.
Ok, what are the inplications of being 'RE-LOCKED'
Like CM9, but get the feeling development stalled, also certain apps won't work Nat West being one, though I suspect that is to do with their development.
Thinking about going back to Stock. If I do this via OTA, my bootloader will be upgraded back to 2.00.0002, 'RE-LOCKED' and S-ON, then wait for official OTA upgrade to ICS, which seems not to be happening as per HTC announcements. Even then I may have issues with apps that haven't been coded to deal with it.
If I am 'RE-LOCKED' can I not use htcDev again, or am I stuck with the Official bootloader etc and unable to load other ROMS, or can I just repeat the processes I have been through already?
I have also been reading about unlocking with an XTC Clip, where would I get this done, Is this a better solution? etc etc..
No issues with RELOCKED except that your warranty is gone.
If you have no warranty you can go for XTC Clip, since permanent S-OFF will give you more freedom in terms of modifications. Personally I consider flashing boot.img separately each time as annoying.
As per the unlock again, it should be possible, but I am not sure if this can be done by a fastboot command or the unlock token has to be flashed again.
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When I unlocked mine I remember reading somewhere that the token would need to be used again if the phone was re locked. So I kept it just in case
Hey man, before S-OFF, why we should do unlock bootloader via htcdev? (my hboot is 1.27.000)
What is the purpose to do that?
Can you explain this for me?
Thanks..
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the first version of doing S-OFF requires htcdev unlock but the second one does not require
if you do not want to use htcdev unlock method for doing S-OFF method after see this thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1661631
he was refering more to the purpose of HTC Dev unlocking i guess
this is what i found but it is outdated (2009) dunno whether something has changed or not, so maby some nerds can explain further for him
DigitalPioneer said:
OK, about sixteen million posts have been flying back and forth about what you can do with root, can't do, what S-OFF is, is not... So I'm going to try to clear it all up for you, OK?
ROOT means you have full control over the OS. From the OS, you can write to the recovery partition. Without root, the only way to write recovery is through hboot, which will only let you flash a custom recovery if you have S-OFF. But even with S-ON, you can write recovery from the OS if you have root. Then, with a custom recovery, you can write the hboot with an engineering bootloader, which has S-OFF. This way, you get S-OFF without a warranty-voiding watermark.
S-OFF means you can flash a custom recovery or ROM from hboot. Things you could already do with root, except that it's hard to get root while S-ON. But if you get it, you're set.
HTC says they'll ship an update which sets S-OFF, and then we're set, except their update will almost assuredly drop a watermark and void the warranty.
ANALOGY: Say the phone is a fortress, and you're trying to get in. S-ON means the gate is shut. If you root it with S-ON, you do it with an exploit, so you find a weak spot in the wall and pack it full of C4 and BOOM, you're in. S-OFF means they opened the gate from the inside, and you just walked in. Either way (S-OFF or root) you're in.
SUMMARY: With S-OFF, you get everything. With root, you get everything. End of story.
Final comment: rooting with S-ON means you used an exploit. Exploits are bad!! But HTC is forcing us to resort to such brutish, nasty means (blowing up walls to the fortress) because they locked the gate before selling us the place. We have a right to get inside, but they aren't opening the gate, so we have to get in some other way. Remember, if you can blow up the wall and walk in, a malicious program can do so too. Exploits are bad, and HTC should patch them. But let's get some legitimate use out of them first, ehhh?
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Hi
I have a Sensation with stock 1.27 hboot
My warranty is for more 1 year.
Not really sure about something:
On juopunutbear official website it says that devices that can go htcdev bootloader unlock (like mine) will not use this no unlocking method.
My question is, can I do this without unlocking my bootloder via htcdev?
Also, if lets say I want to ship my device for warranty repair, can I undo this process? (s-on)
Thanks in advance
Uri
Uri1234 said:
Hi
I have a Sensation with stock 1.27 hboot
My warranty is for more 1 year.
Not really sure about something:
On juopunutbear official website it says that devices that can go htcdev bootloader unlock (like mine) will not use this no unlocking method.
My question is, can I do this without unlocking my bootloder via htcdev?
Also, if lets say I want to ship my device for warranty repair, can I undo this process? (s-on)
Thanks in advance
Uri
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yes you can do S-OFF without unlocking the bootloader
see here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1661631
and yes you can go back again for S-ON
rzr86 said:
yes you can do S-OFF without unlocking the bootloader
see here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1661631
and yes you can go back again for S-ON
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Hi
Thanks for the quick reply.
Just to make sure, It says "If you are unable to get HTCDEV Unlock due to motherboard replacement please follow these instructions. These instructions are NOT for devices that are capable of achieving HTC Dev Unlock but you just don't want to."(from the official site).
I dont have motherboard replacment. Can I still do this method?
TNX
Uri1234 said:
Hi
Thanks for the quick reply.
Just to make sure, It says "If you are unable to get HTCDEV Unlock due to motherboard replacement please follow these instructions. These instructions are NOT for devices that are capable of achieving HTC Dev Unlock but you just don't want to."(from the official site).
I dont have motherboard replacment. Can I still do this method?
TNX
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Yes it will worked , I successfully s off my girlfriends sensation without HTC dev unlock ( hboot 1.27)
I use kgs utility for s off
And u need to accurate while doing wire trick without HTC dev unlocked...
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Itsakash said:
Yes it will worked , I successfully s off my girlfriends sensation without HTC dev unlock ( hboot 1.27)
I use kgs utility for s off
And u need to accurate while doing wire trick without HTC dev unlocked...
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Is it safe to do this on a device that can go htcdev unlock?
Overall, is that process hard?
Uri
Uri1234 said:
Is it safe to do this on a device that can go htcdev unlock?
Overall, is that process hard?
Uri
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Follow all steps carefully.
Start with s off without HTC dev unlocked
If u feel wire trick is hard to do ,then unlock bootloader using HTC dev. . .. this may void your warranty..
It is easy to do wire trick after unlocked bootloader..
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I don't recommend using HTCDev if you can get S-OFF. It forwards a unique device identifier so they can deny your warranty if you take it to HTC.
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usaff22 said:
I don't recommend using HTCDev if you can get S-OFF. It forwards a unique device identifier so they can deny your warranty if you take it to HTC.
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that's true.there is no reason to do htcdev if you achieve S-OFF