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New iPad in the house

My wife has never embraced anything in the technological realm but when all her girlfriends started getting iPads, she felt like she was missing something and decided to climb on board. I actually encouraged this because I knew that she would become addicted to the usefulness of a tablet in very short time. That would bring an end to the evil looks I get every time I pick up a new toy such as my GTab.
We picked up the New iPad today. I compared it side by side to the iPad 2 and while the screen was better, I did not see a huge improvement in everyday usage. Sure, movies and photos looked a little better but all the other apps displayed about the same to me.
This is our family's first iPad so a lot of this stuff is new to me. On the negetive side, it is clear that the closed environment that defines Apple makes things a lot less fun and can be limiting, On the other hand, I have to admit that this thing is smooth as silk. Even better, it integrates with other Apple devices easily and seamlessly. We both have iPhones so sending free texts and making Facetime video phone call between the phones and the iPad is really easy and fun. I did not realize that you could make free video calls between Apple devices without using any 3G data as long as both devices are hooked up to WIFI. Very cool.
It will be a while before I can provide a real comparison between the New iPad and my GT 10.1 but I do have some first impressions. One thing that Apple has always been able to provide is a useful device that simply works... period. The new iPad is no exception.
On the other hand, some of the apps that I rely on all the time, such as a GPS app that does not require a 3G connection, are not currently available for the iPad. If you have a WIFI only device and cannot use it as a GPS, that is a big negetive.
Also on the negetive side is how the New iPad heats up while in use. This device will absolutely require a case on the back side to dissipate the heat. It is unclear to me at this point if the different form factor will produce a less enjoyable viewing experience for movies and for reading ebooks but the shape is certainly something that sets the iPad apart from the GTab.
More later.
Bob

no SIRI on ipad3 either.
How stupid
Apple does SUCH a good job at building the hardware & providing software updates. But sucks in terms of OPEN-ness.
Samsung cant even get ANYONE ICS. phone or pad. its turning into a giant joke

I've had a few mobile Apple devices before, and they are indeed smooth as silk. I personally wish Android was just as smooth, not because I care, but because that's how average users judge a device. (not really sure why)
In my opinion much more people would choose Android over Apple if the animations were stripped out, and they made their decision purely based on the features given. The only thing I ever liked about Apple was how you could keep your devices in sync, but now that Google Play is out Google gains a win in that category as well. (keep in mind I hate iTunes, it's a POS on Windows)
iPads are pretty entertaining though, I've seen some people pick them up just so they can swipe between homescreens. lol

Umm, maybe post this in an Apple forum?
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Umm, maybe post this in an Apple forum?
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I think you missed the point. I love my GTab and now have the new iPad to compare it to. There is lots to like about the new iPad but I am keeping my GTab. This is just an educational post.
Bob

We don't have an Apple forum
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dsafety said:
I think you missed the point. I love my GTab and now have the new iPad to compare it to. There is lots to like about the new iPad but I am keeping my GTab. This is just an educational post.
Bob
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I had been wondering how it'd compare... Thanks for the thread.
Just curious, how does the 10.1 display fare against the "revolutionary" ipad3 display?
ICS will soon be rolling out for the 10.1 and it will be as smooth as butter~
Currently running ICS on my GS2, it is amazing - as smooth as IOS but alot faster!
Currently on the 10.1v which is running on normal TFT LCD, im thinking of comparing it with the the 10.1 PLS/IPS LCDs... it's a great tab but i just feel deprived of pretty colours...

Thanks for the comparison. Apple makes good products, and they certainly have the marketing down.
I thought this was kind of funny.
http://gizmodo.com/5894094/we-people-an-ipad-2-told-them-it-was-the-new-ipad-and-they-loved-it

SnowWaltz said:
I had been wondering how it'd compare... Thanks for the thread.
Just curious, how does the 10.1 display fare against the "revolutionary" ipad3 display?
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I know that the iPad screen is better but the GTab is still pretty darn good. Based on my observations, the GTab screen is probably somewhere between the older and new iPad. Please keep in mind that there is no noticeable difference until you get into viewing photos or high-def movies.
If it were me, I would not have spent the extra money for the New Ipad, choosing instead to pick up a discounted older model if I had to have an iPad. I cannot see much difference between the new one and the iPad 2.With my wife, there is the "Coolness" factor to be considered so that is the direction we went.
Those of us who have gotten used to the freedom that rooted Android tablets offer can sit back and smile knowingly when the iPad fanboys and girls go all giggly about this new version. While I was forking over $540 for my wife's new toy, I asked the very helpful girl at the Apple store if there was an app for the iPad that would turn it into a GPS device that would work when not connected to WIFI or 3G. She said no and then gave me an incredulous look when I showed her the CoPilot app running on my GTab.
Apple products are great but it would be a mistake to make the assumption that they are always better than the competition. If my wife asked me to trade my GTab for her new iPad, I would have to turn her down.
Just one guy's opinion.
Bob

dsafety said:
I know that the iPad screen is better but the GTab is still pretty darn good. Based on my observations, the GTab screen is probably somewhere between the older and new iPad. Please keep in mind that there is no noticeable difference until you get into viewing photos or high-def movies.
If it were me, I would not have spent the extra money for the New Ipad, choosing instead to pick up a discounted older model if I had to have an iPad. I cannot see much difference between the new one and the iPad 2.With my wife, there is the "Coolness" factor to be considered so that is the direction we went.
Those of us who have gotten used to the freedom that rooted Android tablets offer can sit back and smile knowingly when the iPad fanboys and girls go all giggly about this new version. While I was forking over $540 for my wife's new toy, I asked the very helpful girl at the Apple store if there was an app for the iPad that would turn it into a GPS device that would work when not connected to WIFI or 3G. She said no and then gave me an incredulous look when I showed her the CoPilot app running on my GTab.
Apple products are great but it would be a mistake to make the assumption that they are always better than the competition. If my wife asked me to trade my GTab for her new iPad, I would have to turn her down.
Just one guy's opinion.
Bob
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Funny u say that
Cos im considering selling my gtab for the ipad 3 :L and yes i have tried ics on the tab, and yes its pretty awesome. But i prefer the ipads web browsing and screen. :L
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I've got a Gtab and got the new iPad on order I'll get it on Tuesday will post my thoughts on it as well later next week.
As much as I adore my Gtab its the lack of quality tablet apps presently on android that let's it down, the openness of Android is far superior than the closed eco system of iOS but jailbreaking it allows some extra useful tweaks, had an iPod touch before and jailbreaking it opened it up a little with customisation of icons and such.
Running aokp on the Gtab and it flies!
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nikzDHD said:
I've got a Gtab and got the new iPad on order I'll get it on Tuesday will post my thoughts on it as well later next week.
As much as I adore my Gtab its the lack of quality tablet apps presently on android that let's it down, the openness of Android is far superior than the closed eco system of iOS but jailbreaking it allows some extra useful tweaks, had an iPod touch before and jailbreaking it opened it up a little with customisation of icons and such.
Running aokp on the Gtab and it flies!
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nikzDHD said:
I've got a Gtab and got the new iPad on order I'll get it on Tuesday will post my thoughts on it as well later next week.
As much as I adore my Gtab its the lack of quality tablet apps presently on android that let's it down, the openness of Android is far superior than the closed eco system of iOS but jailbreaking it allows some extra useful tweaks, had an iPod touch before and jailbreaking it opened it up a little with customisation of icons and such.
Running aokp on the Gtab and it flies!
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Agreed
This is tempting me to an ipad aswell. Also the screen ofc
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adamski123 said:
Agreed
This is tempting me to an ipad aswell. Also the screen ofc
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If you've got Tesco credit card you can get it for 6 months interest free, done mine that way so I can always flog it in a few months and get most my money back if I get bored of it.
Will have a good play one of them will be sold either the iPad or the Gtab. I've always been a fan of Apple products as well as Android love my SGS2 and will never get an iPhone.
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nikzDHD said:
If you've got Tesco credit card you can get it for 6 months interest free, done mine that way so I can always flog it in a few months and get most my money back if I get bored of it.
Will have a good play one of them will be sold either the iPad or the Gtab. I've always been a fan of Apple products as well as Android love my SGS2 and will never get an iPhone.
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Ooh that sounds tempting. Its just getting a gd enough price for my gtab off ebay :L
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nikzDHD said:
If you've got Tesco credit card you can get it for 6 months interest free, done mine that way so I can always flog it in a few months and get most my money back if I get bored of it.
Will have a good play one of them will be sold either the iPad or the Gtab. I've always been a fan of Apple products as well as Android love my SGS2 and will never get an iPhone.
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But yeh gimme ur thoughts.
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adamski123 said:
But yeh gimme ur thoughts.
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Will do fella, eagerly awaiting a jailbreak to unlock its full potential don't think it's too far away though.
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iOS 6 (lol...)

Anyone see the new and fantastic features they've added in iOS 6?
http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-19512_...etime-ios-6-hits-major-marks/?tag=epicStories
They have this cool new feature where you can do voice guided turn by turn directions! And you can reply to incoming calls with a text message! Siri can answer questions about sports now too
Sorry guys Android doesn't cut it for me anymore

Does it still have "the three gees and the wifis?"
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Looks like iOS is trying to catch up to android. Good luck though. Do the iturds support flash yet? Haha also their OS is becoming just as fragmented as Android, now CRApple really has no room to talk!
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strapped365 said:
Looks like iOS is trying to catch up to android. Good luck though. Do the iturds support flash yet? Haha also their OS is becoming just as fragmented as Android, now CRApple really has no room to talk!
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It kinda sucks how much they're undercutting their iPhone 4 buyers. No siri AND NOW no navigation.
I mean, we usually don't get updates at all, but most of these features were already available on froyo and gingerbread.
Speaking of fragmentation...
http://news.cnet.com/8301-31322_3-5...fragmenting-the-iphone/?tag=mncol;latestPosts
For Apple, it's just not labeled fragmentation. Simply giving out watered down "updates" instead is ok
At least if/when we get a new OS to install we get all the features working. Not some half assed update like Apple is pushing out
And then people wonder why I'm an Android fanboy. How Apple does things and still makes serious $$$ is completely beyond me. And I find it outrageous that people still prefer them when android is CLEARLY better

gtmaster303 said:
It kinda sucks how much they're undercutting their iPhone 4 buyers. No siri AND NOW no navigation.
I mean, we usually don't get updates at all, but most of these features were already available on froyo and gingerbread.
Speaking of fragmentation...
http://news.cnet.com/8301-31322_3-5...fragmenting-the-iphone/?tag=mncol;latestPosts
For Apple, it's just not labeled fragmentation. Simply giving out watered down "updates" instead is ok
At least if/when we get a new OS to install we get all the features working. Not some half assed update like Apple is pushing out
And then people wonder why I'm an Android fanboy. How Apple does things and still makes serious $$$ is completely beyond me. And I find it outrageous that people still prefer them when android is CLEARLY better
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Apple sold its soul to the devil hahaha that's how their making money.gonna give that link a read now because CRApple used to always say well androids to fragmented and blah blah blah. Now look....
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Can tell that was written by a fanboy lmfao. We can't force google or our carrier to update? Well I'm running ICS thanks to tbalden and kornyone so who the F needs a carrier to pack the ROM full of useless features? We just need googles open source code which they give us all the time, I mean all these Android ROMS are coming from somewhere right? Haha I'm very ashamed to even own an Apple device. It serves 1 purpose= facetime with my 2 year old daughter. No music because it sucks that bad, no apps because it sucks that bad I could go on about it but nah I gotta go replace the starter on a Dart which should be a lot more fun than downing crApple
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I'm shocked the 3Gs is updated :T iOS is ok if you don't like rooting, and happiness. Suckass, its all the same old stuff. I'll put iOS 6 on my 3Gs when the Dev releases become public.
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AgentCherryColla said:
I'm shocked the 3Gs is updated :T iOS is ok if you don't like rooting, and happiness. Suckass, its all the same old stuff. I'll put iOS 6 on my 3Gs when the Dev releases become public.
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Let's not forget the sites you have to pay for to jailbreak them hunks of junk. Yes I know there are free ways but they come out a long while after the paid ones in some cases.
Also is the A5 dual core jailbreakable yet?
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The iphone. Is not that bad
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wiswis said:
The iphone. Is not that bad
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Eh, you're entitled to an opinion I suppose...
This thread was simply made to poke fun at Apple
And rant a little. End rant and troll

gtmaster303 said:
Eh, you're entitled to an opinion I suppose...
This thread was simply made to poke a fun at Apple
And rant a little. End rant and troll
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Its actually a sick design but apple ****ed it up with ios
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wiswis said:
Its actually a sick design but apple ****ed it up with ios
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What do you find sick about a 4 button phone when 3 of the 4 buttons are power, volume up and volume down? None of which give you any navigation. I wouldn't even run Android on a iDevice if it were possible.
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strapped365 said:
What do you find sick about a 4 button phone when 3 of the 4 buttons are power, volume up and volume down? None of which give you any navigation. I wouldn't even run Android on a iDevice if it were possible.
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Ur kidding, the iphone is one of the sexiest phones in the world (for me)
I would run android on it if I could but the home button looks ****ty it should have the four buttons like android, lmao that would be my dreamphone
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Whoa, Steve Jobs is turning in his grave right now...LOL! I doubt this would've happened had he still been alive. And all this innovation...it just came out of thin air! The only thing I give the Crapple is that the phone is fast, aside from that, I can't be bothered with it.
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I would run android on it if I could but the home button looks ****ty it should have the four buttons like android, lmao that would be my dreamphone
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You can get phones like that from Japan,Hong Kong on eBay...tho I wouldn't chance it. What you're basically asking for tho...is...an android phone...?

strapped365 said:
Let's not forget the sites you have to pay for to jailbreak them hunks of junk. Yes I know there are free ways but they come out a long while after the paid ones in some cases.
Also is the A5 dual core jailbreakable yet?
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You never have to pay, not at all. That's the whole flow of Jailbreaking. Even the webhost is a 100% free, with no Ads host. If I ever had to pay to Jailbreak I knew it was 100% BS. Some claimed to have the latest JB, but it wouldn't be a "Jailbreak". Either a ****lyfft instal of Cydia, with no substrate add on's. Or it'd be a waiting list thing for an available "JB server". Then you'd just wait until the JB team released it, and the server would "Open". Paying 50+ bucks for freeware.
Also, iPhone 4s 5.1.1 has an Untethered Jailbreak. It just came out, I still think only the 1st gen iPad has a Jailbreak too.
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manimmal said:
Whoa, Steve Jobs is turning in his grave right now...LOL! I doubt this would've happened had he still been alive. And all this innovation...it just came out of thin air! The only thing I give the Crapple is that the phone is fast, aside from that, I can't be bothered with it.
You can get phones like that from Japan,Hong Kong on eBay...tho I wouldn't chance it. What you're basically asking for tho...is...an android phone...?
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well I wish an android has the form factor of a iphone
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gtmaster303 said:
And then people wonder why I'm an Android fanboy. How Apple does things and still makes serious $$$ is completely beyond me. And I find it outrageous that people still prefer them when android is CLEARLY better
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"People" (the dumb 70-80% of population) don't want better, they want WHAT THEY SEE ON TV (aka what they have been brainwashed to buy).
Better advertised devices always sell better. It has been proven long time ago before tv existed.
An observation we have "conducted" not long ago in my personal circle of friends and coworkers:
none of those who don't watch TV have any iCrap, while about half of those who watch TV regularily have chosen iFail and other crApple products.

MT4GS said:
"People" (the dumb 70-80% of population) don't want better, they want WHAT THEY SEE ON TV (aka what they have been brainwashed to buy).
Better advertised devices always sell better. It has been proven long time ago before tv existed.
An observation we have "conducted" not long ago in my personal circle of friends and coworkers:
none of those who don't watch TV have any iCrap, while about half of those who watch TV regularily have chosen iFail and other crApple products.
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Youre right everyone who i no who has an iphone is dumb and lazy
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wiswis said:
Youre right everyone who i no who has an iphone is dumb and lazy
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*You're *I *Know
Watch how you type when you call someone dumb

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Youre right everyone who i no who has an iphone is dumb and lazy
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My girlfriend's about to become a doctor, and she's got an iPhone and a Macbook Pro...

monkor said:
My girlfriend's about to become a doctor, and she's got an iPhone and a Macbook Pro...
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lol you know what he mean't. All iphone users are Dumb and Lazy because they chose not to do a good search on whether android or Iphones were better. Instead your girlfriend just went with all the hype and sold her soul to Apple. Congratulations!
BTW: You also have to live under this extensive list of rules.

iOS or Android? I have a definite answer now...

I've never been an Apple 'fan boy', and the only Apple hardware I ever owned was iPhone 4. I bought it in October 2010 because at that time it had the best display on the market (retina). I've always been a big Google fan and always preferred their products (Chrome, Maps, Drive, etc.). A month ago I ported my phone number to a new carrier (Wind Mobile, Canada) with inexpensive unlimited plans. Wind's frequencies (AWS) are not supported by iPhone yet, so I had to buy a new Android phone (Galaxy Nexus). I was really excited to get Android as my experience with Google was excellent so far. I was very happy with iPhone 4 and iOS, and expected Android to be as good if not better than iOS. I rooted my Android right away and installed 4.1.1. Now I'm gonna share my observations:
Hardware: Galaxy Nexus looks and feels really cheap (like kid's toy): plastic is probably the cheapest Samsung was able to find. Touch screen sensitivity is as bad as it gets - often you have to tap 2-3 times to make it work. Hardly any competition to iPhone 4.
Software: buggy and underdeveloped. I can't believe Google actually seriously markets Android which looks and feels like beta version which requires lots of testing before final release. Some bugs are so outrageous, that I doubt if Google bothered to hire QA team at all: for example when I try so send SMS and use my phone book to enter a recipient's phone number, SMS fails cause a phone number entered is missing area code somehow. What the hell? I think it's a bit over the top. Same apps on Android are not as functional, 'nice' and 'smooth' as on iOS. It looks like Android has lots of potential, but now is still in early stages of development. iOS is by far superior in any aspect at the moment: practically bug free and very user friendly.
Verdict: there are rumours that iPhone 5 will support AWS frequencies - if that's the case, I'm gonna dump Android without any regrets. What a shame, Google!

0/10 really bad failtroll. Try harder, make your story more believable and add in some buzzwords for good measure. This hurts to watch. Back in my day, trolling used to mean something.
I got b& at /a/ for sh!tposting ;_;

Funny though you rooted it immediately and flashed a Rom onto your device which you said was 4.1.1 then you proceeded to ***** about the software which apparently wasn't stock Android we have no clue how you screwed up your own device in rooting your phone. Nice try though "Apple fan boy".
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IMO,
Sony makes the best phones as build quality but they're not updating their phones at all, or really late, and they don't put the latest hardware in their phones. (yes other brands usually suck at build quality)
and there is nothing wrong with the Android software,
If Sony makes a Nexus device, that will be the best and the sexiest device out there.

prairiedogn said:
Funny though you rooted it immediately and flashed a Rom onto your device which you said was 4.1.1 then you proceeded to ***** about the software which apparently wasn't stock Android we have no clue how you screwed up your own device in rooting your phone. Nice try though "Apple fan boy".
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Don't feed the troll. Pic related, what's going to happen.
I got b& at /a/ for sh!tposting ;_;

Well you are running a custom Rom, of course it will be buggy... And unlike iOS that has been the exact same for how many years,android is a developing platform. It has been completely revamped in the last few years.
The custom rom is causing all of your troubles. I have had 3 android phones and I've never had a problem on stock firmware. My rooted Desire died when I clocked it to 2.5Ghz in freezer (motherboard failure), which was MY FAULT. My One V never failed on me and my G1 was live last time I looked at it.
As with build quality - you are blaming the OS? Samsung is plastic galore, why did you pick a galaxy nexus if you want a metal and glass machine? My phone is excellent build quality, cost me 280$ CAD with no contract, it is a middle of the range device - yet it is still an aluminum unibody, and I'm overclocking at 1.5Ghz.
Get a stock android device not made by Samsung and you've got your next iPhone.
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If you look at Android then and now, you will see how much it has changed.
If you look at iOS then and now, you see that nothing has changed. They don't want to add more features which is why it seems so bug free.
Kinda like Olympic gymnastics, you have a higher potential score if you plan on doing more complex moves, but also a bigger chance of making a mistake. But if you choose simple, your potential score is low but you probably won't get many deductions. And guess what? Android is the more complex gymnast that will continue to learn more moves. When it makes a mistake, it trains via an update to fix it.
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jdeoxys said:
Don't feed the troll. Pic related, what's going to happen.
I got b& at /a/ for sh!tposting ;_;
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He isnt even trolling. Just because he doesnt like android.

gagdude said:
If you look at Android then and now, you will see how much it has changed.
If you look at iOS then and now, you see that nothing has changed. They don't want to add more features which is why it seems so bug free.
Kinda like Olympic gymnastics, you have a higher potential score if you plan on doing more complex moves, but also a bigger chance of making a mistake. But if you choose simple, your potential score is low but you probably won't get many deductions. And guess what? Android is the more complex gymnast that will continue to learn more moves. When it makes a mistake, it trains via an update to fix it.
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I think that's one of the best breakdowns I've seen comparing the benefits and cons of both.
That was enjoyable and refreshing to read +1
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Liquidmetal6 said:
I think that's one of the best breakdowns I've seen comparing the benefits and cons of both.
That was enjoyable and refreshing to read +1
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The only unbiased post on here, IMO.

Your gonna get so bored on an iPhone. Within 2 months for sure. Trust me, i had one and here i am back on Android.

>mfw troll thread
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>mfw I doubt myself, maybe just stupid person
>mfw XDA

jdeoxys said:
>mfw troll thread
>mfw people defending troll
>mfw I doubt myself, maybe just stupid person
>mfw XDA
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Makes no sense...

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Makes no sense...
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mfw = my face when
Basically means my reaction.

jdeoxys said:
mfw = my face when
Basically means my reaction.
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I knew the first part. But now its clear when you described it the other way. Got it now

The only thing that IOS has over android is an apple on the back. But we prefer the big LTE on our android phones.
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Same here... but in choosing a topic - I was the ultimate apple fan boy... every gadget i had, every udpate i hung for - then a friend introduced me to his Galaxy S3 - wow. I was using a prehistoric phone and OS.
Android the only way to go!

Go stick your nose directly into jobs' crack. Maybe he'll come to life and let you suck his iDildo
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Mozmoz.aly said:
Same here... but in choosing a topic - I was the ultimate apple fan boy... every gadget i had, every udpate i hung for - then a friend introduced me to his Galaxy S3 - wow. I was using a prehistoric phone and OS.
Android the only way to go!
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We'll see once winphone 8 comes out. That actually MIGHT give some competition to android. ios will be left in the dust as usual. Also, are you me? I had the same exact thing happen except with an iphone 4 and a milestone xt720.

I never understood why apple fan boys and android fan boys, couldn't just man up, realize and accept that not everyone in the world has the same preferences as they do. They act as if they own the companies or something. Grow up. They're PHONES. It's not that serious and it shouldn't be to begin with.
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[DISCUSSION] Ipad mini copied Nexus 7

OK so i have a nexus 7 and lately i have been noticing how much
the iPad mini looks basically exactly the same just with a added
button. Now we all know android had the first 7 inch tablet (dell streak 7)
and now suddenly apple has a idea to make a 7 inch tablet??
and of course the sneaky guys at apple made sure to make it a little
bigger to avoid a lawsuit but my theory still stands that apple has copied
the nexus 7. i mean its not like apple hasn't been accused of this in
the past when they were accused of stealing the iPhone design from Sony
so is apple really that pathetic that they will steal an idea then patent it?
see attachments for picture comparisons and tell me what you think

Apple is fine. They didn't copy anything. I'd rather have the iPad mini. It has a back camera and can play games smoother. Ikr
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idevice12345 said:
Apple is fine. They didn't copy anything. I'd rather have the iPad mini. It has a back camera and can play games smoother. Ikr
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Then why be on a site dedicated to android development if your a crapple fan
im what Willis was talking about

Grow up its a free world we do as we please, apple = awesome
Android = awesome. This is the silliest topic I've ever read, how is anything copying when wed have a lawsuit for copyright infringement, apple aren't known for immitating, only making things well!
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Don't really care. I think it's pretty widely known that Apple didn't invent anything. "Great artists steal" has always been the company's mantra. Way I see it, if people want to pay twice as much or more for last year's tech in a stylish enclosure with a fruit logo on the back, that's fine. I'm all for choice.
The Android community doesn't have anything to lose from Apple taking our sloppy seconds and marking it up 200% or more. Conversely, Android is a threat to Apple -- newer, faster tech, sold for half the price of their junk, or less. That's why Steve Jobs was willing to go "thermonuclear war". Jobs wanted/Apple wants to control the development at mobile hardware, and keep the tech evolution to a much slower pace, to maximize profits. And they're losing, slowly but surely. The latest iPhone hasn't been a high-end device for years, since the 4 or maybe as far back as the 3GS. They just figured out how to get a widescreen display on a mobile device, and it's not even 720p. First-generation Android phones had widescreen. With the sole exception of the case (aluminum and glass IS nice), an iPhone is like a Chinese knockoff of any given top-shelf Android (S3 or DNA, .e.g.).
We have nothing to worry about.

onejay09 said:
Grow up its a free world we do as we please, apple = awesome
Android = awesome. This is the silliest topic I've ever read, how is anything copying when wed have a lawsuit for copyright infringement, apple aren't known for immitating, only making things well!
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And your status on xda proves you dont contribute very much on here since 2010 and still a junior member there a different ranks on xda for a reason jm - m - sm - rc - rt - erd
im what Willis was talking about

I'm counting the days till Apple claims the N7 copied the iPad mini.

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And your status on xda proves you dont contribute very much on here since 2010 and still a junior member there a different ranks on xda for a reason jm - m - sm - rc - rt - erd
im what Willis was talking about
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Chill out man. Who are you to be talking? Both android and apple are great. Apple is awesome. Stop hating. Begin appreciating
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Chill out man. Who are you to be talking? Both android and apple are great. Apple is awesome. Stop hating. Begin appreciating
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I understand what your saying but people are entitled to there opinion and i just dont like apple never have and never will purely because they barely support developers
im what Willis was talking about

Whatever.
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There were 7" tablets long before the Nexus 7. I believe the Galaxy Tab was the first 7" tablet with Google Play access. The iPad Mini looks like the 10" iPad, so I don't think you can say they copied someone else.
What they did copy though was the 7" tablet idea. The late Steve Jobs said 7" tablets would never do well, and the fact that Apple has now put out a 7" tablet is a big indicator that they are now a follower and not an innovator. Although IMO the last innovation they had was the original iPhone. Over 5 years later and that UI looks just as old and outdated as the Luna blue XP theme.

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There were 7" tablets long before the Nexus 7. I believe the Galaxy Tab was the first 7" tablet with Google Play access. The iPad Mini looks like the 10" iPad, so I don't think you can say they copied someone else.
What they did copy though was the 7" tablet idea. The late Steve Jobs said 7" tablets would never do well, and the fact that Apple has now put out a 7" tablet is a big indicator that they are now a follower and not an innovator. Although IMO the last innovation they had was the original iPhone. Over 5 years later and that UI looks just as old and outdated as the Luna blue XP theme.
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but they said they didn't copy the 7" tablet idea because it's actually 7.9". Couldn't agree more about the unchanged UI over the year. innovation plz.

thats 100% correct, Rottan Apple we"re the ones that said the 7" devices will never sell, and look at them now, jumpimg on the band wagon looking real despret.. How can ppl pay for a device that comes with no flash player capabilitys, with android you download any latest movie (thats not even out on DVD mind you) thats in 1080p quality and in 10mnts your watching it on you MX player, E Z as that, but with apple your paying $5 to rent it.. lol. highway robbery, one thing is try though, crapples graphics are great. thats all they get from me,I LOVE AND WILL ALWAYS SUPPORT ANDROID..!!!!!! WITH THEM SINCE DAY ONE WITH MY G1, AND NOW ROCKING MY NEXUS 7 3G....
MY DEVICE ISNT TRULY MINE TILL I VOID THE WARRENTY... ONE LOVE, LETS KEEP FLASHING..!!!!

Why wont google make a better phone?

why are they shooting for cheap?? why not price it at 500-600 dollars but make it a quality phone?? show the world what they are capable of.

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why are they shooting for cheap?? why not price it at 500-600 dollars but make it a quality phone?? show the world what they are capable of.
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Price at £500, get x sales
Price at £300, get 2x sales + recognition as a reasonably pricing company, with a quality product, and a lot more factors.
It's business. That's why.

Why post this question? This is another useless thread.

Honestly the nexus 5's quality is on par with some of the higher end smartphones available right now. Admittingly the speakers and camera are not the best, but other than that it's a good phone. There's really no reason for most companies to jack up the price of their phones to $500-600. Just because it costs that much doesn't mean it's quality. If you look at how much it costs to build a nexus phone, vs a leading high end smartphone, you'll see there's not a lot of difference.

They want to put this phone in as many hands as they can. What do you think they make all that money from?

What do you mean? Google is barely charging a mark up. That's why its cheap. Not because they're using. Cheap parts
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Price at £500, get x sales
Price at £300, get 2x sales + recognition as a reasonably pricing company, with a quality product, and a lot more factors.
It's business. That's why.
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than have 2 products. gotta please your other customers that want the very best.

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Why post this question? This is another useless thread.
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its not useless, i just want to see what other people think. if you disagree, then tell me why you prefer just the cheap version.
Thanks.

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HRodMusic said:
its not useless, i just want to see what other people think. if you disagree, then tell me why you prefer just the cheap version.
Thanks.
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I think you're the only one here who believes this phone is cheap. Again as stated before, Google does not mark up their devices very much, thus creating a more affordable price. Samsung, HTC, Apple, everyone else will mark theirs up a lot more, but they also do this to pay the middle man (warehouses, retail stores, etc). Google sells their own hardware on their own website, so they're cutting out a lot of the middle men, thus keeping prices down.

Rarscaryfrosty said:
I think you're the only one here who believes this phone is cheap. Again as stated before, Google does not mark up their devices very much, thus creating a more affordable price. Samsung, HTC, Apple, everyone else will mark theirs up a lot more, but they also do this to pay the middle man (warehouses, retail stores, etc). Google sells their own hardware on their own website, so they're cutting out a lot of the middle men, thus keeping prices down.
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i guess my expectations where just very high, and all we got was a mediocre phone that competes with early this year devices, gs4 and htc one etc...

Seems like people are really stuck on stats and fluff.
So if the N5 had aluminum, would that make it "premium"?
Does it need a 42MP camera, with 3.5GHz 8 core CPU, 4GB RAM, 4K display and 128GB ROM?
Why not make a smart phone that is truly smart, doesn't need bleeding edge stats to run AND be affordable. Oh, that's right Google has already done that with the Moto X and now N5.

HRodMusic said:
i guess my expectations where just very high, and all we got was a mediocre phone that competes with early this year devices, gs4 and htc one etc...
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You have had 15 phones in the past 39 months (a phone change every 2.6 months). I don't see why this is a big deal for you. If they did make a 'better phone' there would be an even better one released a couple months later. They are building a brand...normal people are starting to understand what a Nexus device is (and most can afford one). To put a whole new chipset in a phone requires substantially more money and carries more chances of bugs. Google is starting to influence hardware chip designs with Android's features and I am sure they have a plan to release a feature complete phone that is better than everything else in due time.
Stop complaining and enjoy your new toy.

Then the OEMS have no reason to complete other than custom skins. Like Microsoft and windows 8 tablet and phones
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i guess my expectations where just very high, and all we got was a mediocre phone that competes with early this year devices, gs4 and htc one etc...
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Sell it and buy yourself an Iphone 5S, you haven't tried that yet. Maybe that will satisfy your high expectations. :fingers-crossed:

grneyez said:
Sell it and buy yourself an Iphone 5S, you haven't tried that yet. Maybe that will satisfy your high expectations. :fingers-crossed:
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hahaha naw im good with the iphone 5 for now.

Can we have this thread closed, it's another unnecessary thread that doesn't help with anything and is also in the wrong section.
Please close.
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Nexus 5 is awesome. Enuff said!
Also agree pointless thread.
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The Nexus `s are meant to serve as an example and showcase for other oem`s regarding how software should be like. That aside the Nexus 5 hardware is very very good compared to the price you pay

Can't wait till all the love or hate threads die down.
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