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4gb internal storage is useless, or is it not

I know there are problems with android using or seeing over 2gb, so i wont bother with talking about that.
Instead, i wonder why i am running very low on memory when there is 2gb internal storage that android will see or use. I removed alot of the att crap using titanium backup.
Android install uses, really, that much for the rom and stuff that ONLY half (1gb) is free for us to use up?
I wonder if its possible to increase the internal memory seen?? Probably not. But i remember back using the hd2 with android we could increase the data file size to 2gb and it had alot more room to play with

carhigh said:
I know there are problems with android using or seeing over 2gb, so i wont bother with talking about that.
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What do you mean? I've got the Captivate, and it has a 2GB ROM and has 1.42GB free, and then both the internal and external SD cards are approx 16GB each and Android sees that.

gk527 said:
What do you mean? I've got the Captivate, and it has a 2GB ROM and has 1.42GB free, and then both the internal and external SD cards are approx 16GB each and Android sees that.
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This has nothing to do with sd cards. Im only talking about INTERNAL memory. The inspire has 4gb INTERNAL and android only can work with 2. So the other 2 of internal memory is useless, right now anyways. I think maybe in the future a newer version of android may be able to use it ..... but whatever
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See, thats what im wondering here. That captivate has 2gb internal and you have 1.42 free. So far it seems i can only get a hair over 1gb free. So it mkes me think the ROM is using almost an entire gig or the internal memory?????

carhigh said:
This has nothing to do with sd cards. Im only talking about INTERNAL memory. The inspire has 4gb INTERNAL and android only can work with 2. So the other 2 of internal memory is useless, right now anyways. I think maybe in the future a newer version of android may be able to use it ..... but whatever
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Ok, I'm not sure on the internal memory or not.
carhigh said:
See, thats what im wondering here. That captivate has 2gb internal and you have 1.42 free. So far it seems i can only get a hair over 1gb free. So it mkes me think the ROM is using almost an entire gig or the internal memory?????
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I've got a lot of apps installed. Including some that takes a lot of space like Need for Speed Shift.

The Inspire 4G has 4GB of internal memory, 1GB of which is usable.

synnyster said:
The Inspire 4G has 4GB of internal memory, 1GB of which is usable.
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I don't understand that... Why? Is this a flaw in the ROM? Android? What is the other 3GB used for?

gk527 said:
I don't understand that... Why? Is this a flaw in the ROM? Android? What is the other 3GB used for?
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Does anyone know?

This might help.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=HTC_Vision#The_Missing_2GB

I don't care about the other 2gb of memory. I want to know why the Rom uses almost a gig itself and we get left with almost nothing. I know I can move apps to storage card, but that's not what I'm looking for as an answer. Does the Rom actually use a gig and we get left with the other gig? I just don't get how a Rom can use that much.
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It has 1GB of usable storage. Froyo allows you to install apps on the SD card. If you can manage to fill 1GB of non-SD apps then honestly, you have to many apps. That's probably approaching the 3-digit number of apps. Don't worry about specs so much and just focus on actual performance.

I asked HTC why, on a device that's advertised with 4gb internal memory, no one sees more than a little over 1gb free. This was the official response I got from HTC regarding the issue:
Dear Greg,
I understand the importance of being able to use the fully memory capacity of your HTC Inspire 4G. The 4GB of ROM on your device is shared with the operating system and all programs that are pre-installed on the device. I do apologize for any inconvenience that you may have experienced through this.
To send a reply to this message or let me know I have successfully answered your question log in to our ContactUs site using your email address and your ticket number 11USCW09ENA001776.
Sincerely,
Jeffery
HTC
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So, just to be clear. Only having that 1GB of space doesn't bother you?

gk527 said:
So, just to be clear. Only having that 1GB of space doesn't bother you?
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I mean I'm not gonna get my panties in a bunch about it. I have plenty of room on my SD...and if it's true that this space is used to optimize the OS, then OK. It would be nice to have access to all of that storage - but it's not necessary. I wish that this would be how they advertised it though, rather than just saying 4gb internal memory

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So, just to be clear. Only having that 1GB of space doesn't bother you?
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Doesn't bother me at all. I have over 850mb of it free.
Gotta love CM7.

So the OS is using a whopping gig of the internal storage. Ok, i already KNEW that. It still doesnt explain why this phone is using that much and my dell streak has a gig and a half available when reset to factory default and nothing installed.
With the HD2 running froyo off the sd card, and the img set to 2gb, same thing, it had alot more than a gig left. Heck, some roms for that were set with 1gb img file and froyo didnt use it all up from the geckgo.
It just doesnt make any sense to me. Im not looking for more space for apps, i have alot of space left, but when i dont, im going to be going ....... WTF
Im sure there are going to be some app monkeys running out of room and asking the same thing.

On a related note (just to clarify that I am not directly addressing the main issue at hand), I have 21 apps installed, 6 of which are games, and still have .96GB free. How many freaking apps do you guys have installed to be running out of space? At my rate, I would probably have to install over 200 apps to run out of space.

carhigh said:
Ok, since you cant read
IM NOT OUT OF SPACE !!!!!!!
THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH RUNNING OUT OF SPACE
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Since you're not too good at this whole discussion thing, let me explain how we got here.
A) I realize that this thread is about the fact that we only see 1 of the 4GB of internal memory. I don't know exactly why that is.
B) You said in the first post "i am running very low on memory".
C) In a question relating to something you said in your original post, I asked how you could possibly be running low on memory.
D) Relax. Breath. It's going to be ok. Discussions sometimes lead to other questions on related topics. You can't let those questions weigh on you... the burden is too much for a single man to carry. You just have to answer these related questions to free yourself from the awful stress.

what about other phones with more then 4gigs like 8gigs of internal memory? do they still only have about 2gigs worth of space to play with? that's gotta be pretty bogus.

epicKA8 said:
what about other phones with more then 4gigs like 8gigs of internal memory? do they still only have about 2gigs worth of space to play with? that's gotta be pretty bogus.
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The galaxy s series has 8-16gb but about 3 is set aside for OS and apps. There's one example.
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What I meant for running low on memory is more geared at the Rom taking a whooping 1 gig and out of the 2 gigs Android will see, out of the stupid 4 installed, and that leaves me with a whooping 1 gig. Not a whole lot. As it stands, I have about 800 mg left and I wouldn't consider that running low. We should have about a gig and a half available, if not more. Roms really are only about 250mb. REALLY?????
I guess I need to be a little more clear with my wording

Storage capacity question, increase or something

Hello All!
Just got HTC One S in the mail today, I was aware of the limited storage of the phone by reading the forums here, users said I should have around 10GB of "user" storage. Quite far from the advertised 16 haha!
I understand the ~2GB is dedicated to apps etc.
My question is:
Has anyone figured out how to repartition the storage in order to decrease app storage, and increase user storage? (maybe by a different rom etc?)
I personally wouldn't mind having 1GB of app space just to fit a few more albums of music (I love music on my phone)
I'm thinking even if I used nobloat to remove the t-mobile preloaded stuff, I would only increase the application storage (which does nothing for but increase just the application storage space?)
Somebody give me some help here

Anybody??

Removing the bloat will only free up space on your system partition, not /data where your downloaded apps are stored. I'm not sure if anyone has repartitioned the One S yet, though.
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It should be possible, though, I did it on my HTC Hero
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1370963

Habarug said:
It should be possible, though, I did it on my HTC Hero
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1370963
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Your HTC Hero prolly had S-OFF or a similar removal of protections in place. As of now, without S-OFF we cannot repartition, becaue we cannot write to locked areas of the NAND / NVRAM (whatever it is exactly...) and therefore we can't resize partitions.

Nope, no S-off

Question
the question is another: can we physically change the sd-card hosted inside the phone with another one of a bigger capacity? (32 / 64 gb like in the HTC Mozart)

madalinpascu said:
the question is another: can we physically change the sd-card hosted inside the phone with another one of a bigger capacity? (32 / 64 gb like in the HTC Mozart)
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That's assuming its an actual SD Card, and not some memory soldered in place (most likely)

raikesy said:
That's assuming its an actual SD Card, and not some memory soldered in place (most likely)
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Run some read/write speed tests, you'd be pretty lucky to get an SD card that could put up the numbers this phone does. It's a very tiny chance it's an SD card, but I refuse to give up hope until it's proven.
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me too, as I am getting up to 18mb read and I backup a lot, so it is welcome
I am converted to no sd card phones, as the memory here is fine for me--got dropbox/google drive etc if needed

If you have decent coverage in your area you can try google play. And I'm pretty sure you can download the music directly to your phone from it, if the area you'll be in is spotty.
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thebluecoat said:
Hello All!
Just got HTC One S in the mail today, I was aware of the limited storage of the phone by reading the forums here, users said I should have around 10GB of "user" storage. Quite far from the advertised 16 haha!
I understand the ~2GB is dedicated to apps etc.
My question is:
Has anyone figured out how to repartition the storage in order to decrease app storage, and increase user storage? (maybe by a different rom etc?)
I personally wouldn't mind having 1GB of app space just to fit a few more albums of music (I love music on my phone)
I'm thinking even if I used nobloat to remove the t-mobile preloaded stuff, I would only increase the application storage (which does nothing for but increase just the application storage space?)
Somebody give me some help here
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Does anybody actually read the specs before they buy something ? HTCs website says its 10gb user available storage and so does the back of the T-Mobile box it comes in !

KillaHurtz said:
Does anybody actually read the specs before they buy something ? HTCs website says its 10gb user available storage and so does the back of the T-Mobile box it comes in !
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Do you... He said he read the fourms and was aware of the 10gb user space.
I think he's asking if that can be changed.
And to answer that, without S-Off I don't think so.
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You definitely won't without s-off. Or, more likely an exploit like Blackrose which was developed for the N1. Where it simulates s-off to resize partitions. But, is not true s-off as related to the secure flag. I don't know if it is easy for dev to look at Blackrose in N1 sub-forum and carry that over to One S--

So were talking about this:
4 GB's for the OS, 1 GB for the system apps (after potential resize). Gaining only 1 GB for the User. Increasing the User avalible space to 11GB's.
That seems like a lot of work for only 1GB. Unless someone could trim the OS down by half. 13GB usable....hmmm!
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Another solution could be a usb host mode... Don´t know if that is possible?
Edit:
Just found this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1629134

raikesy said:
That's assuming its an actual SD Card, and not some memory soldered in place (most likely)
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Even so, we have some very talented solder techs here at work, if somebody can find a higher capacity direct replacement chip...

mmceorange said:
Even so, we have some very talented solder techs here at work, if somebody can find a higher capacity direct replacement chip...
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Hi,
did anyone figured out which IC is used for storage?
Cheers

I read somewhere in one of these forums that someone did have success changing the sd card to a 32gb. And he even posted a video on how to open the device.
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thebluecoat said:
Hello All!
Just got HTC One S in the mail today, I was aware of the limited storage of the phone by reading the forums here, users said I should have around 10GB of "user" storage. Quite far from the advertised 16 haha!
I understand the ~2GB is dedicated to apps etc.
My question is:
Has anyone figured out how to repartition the storage in order to decrease app storage, and increase user storage? (maybe by a different rom etc?)
I personally wouldn't mind having 1GB of app space just to fit a few more albums of music (I love music on my phone)
I'm thinking even if I used nobloat to remove the t-mobile preloaded stuff, I would only increase the application storage (which does nothing for but increase just the application storage space?)
Somebody give me some help here
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I don't think that's going to be possible with out S-Off. Which as far as I know hasn't been achieved yet.
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Is this true? ICS does not support Move Apps to SD Card?

I have just bought an ASUS TF300 and apps can't be moved. Reading online, people say its because ICS doesn't allow it - so what happens when the DS gets ICS?

Not true. Search the net. For example:
http://forums.androidcentral.com/htc-vivid/163799-apps-sd-ics.html
And even if it was true - with 1.1GB of internal memory, why would anyone care? And why would anyone want to move the apps to SD even now?

At least in the versions i tried, there is no switch to allow it/do it automatically, but in the memory -settings there is a utility that 1 clean the cache, 2 move apps 2 sd/remove apps, and 3 remove older messages.
Seen and used on ice cream saga and ice-ds
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Jack_R1 said:
Not true. Search the net. For example:
http://forums.androidcentral.com/htc-vivid/163799-apps-sd-ics.html
And even if it was true - with 1.1GB of internal memory, why would anyone care? And why would anyone want to move the apps to SD even now?
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To save space from the internal storage maybe?
HTC Desire S~Tapatalk 2

userdesires said:
To save space from the internal storage maybe?
HTC Desire S~Tapatalk 2
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Save space for what? For having unused internal space and having your apps load much slower and experiencing multiple bugs when mounting/unmounting SD card, like "disappearing" apps?
Having lots of empty (wasted) internal space, taking unnecessary space from SD card and making the system work worse than it can is a great and smart idea, right? Or maybe not. Just like having zillion MB of free RAM. What can you do with free RAM? You can't eat it, it doesn't generate money, and it doesn't do anything useful - just sits there, eating phone's electrical charge and not working. Or, in other word, being wasted.

Jack_R1 said:
Save space for what? For having unused internal space and having your apps load much slower and experiencing multiple bugs when mounting/unmounting SD card, like "disappearing" apps?
Having lots of empty (wasted) internal space, taking unnecessary space from SD card and making the system work worse than it can is a great and smart idea, right? Or maybe not. Just like having zillion MB of free RAM. What can you do with free RAM? You can't eat it, it doesn't generate money, and it doesn't do anything useful - just sits there, eating phone's electrical charge and not working. Or, in other word, being wasted.
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Perhaps I am ignorant, but I understood the more free RAM the better, eg the faster. Not so?
It appears from the replies that there are clunky work arounds, but in essence, yes, in ICS there is no Apps to SD. I better hope I have less than 1GB of Apps then

al89nut said:
Perhaps I am ignorant, but I understood the more free RAM the better, eg the faster. Not so?
It appears from the replies that there are clunky work arounds, but in essence, yes, in ICS there is no Apps to SD. I better hope I have less than 1GB of Apps then
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This you understood wrong. Free ram is wasted ram.
And for apps2sd, of course it works in ICS. Some apps do that even without asking so I have to move them manually back to internal mem.
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Steinhund said:
Some apps do that even without asking so I have to move them manually back to internal mem.
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This is one of the most annoying things about apps2sd, in Gingerbread also. Even if I force the apps by setting pmInstallLocation to internal, those of them defined by their creator in Manifest as "prefer to SD" won't obey - and each update I have to move them back to internal. Very annoying.

The question is simple and the answer is simple too.
Apps in SD, running slow and buggy and after reboot, it might missing sometimes. The only advantage are, it saves internal storage and no need to install apps after reset. Correct me If I'm wrong.
Now close this thread for good.
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NOT TRUE AT ALL!
This is the Android 4.0.4&sense 3.6 for Desire S(OTA,HTC China).
Obviously,it supports move the apps to sdcard.

anazhd said:
The question is simple and the answer is simple too.
Apps in SD, running slow and buggy and after reboot, it might missing sometimes. The only advantage are, it saves internal storage and no need to install apps after reset. Correct me If I'm wrong.
Now close this thread for good.
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I agree, what a pointless thread!
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merlinfury said:
I agree, what a pointless thread!
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Thanks. When I have time I will hunt down the various threads from a year or so back saying what a good thing moving apps was and how beneficial it was to the phone's operation.

al89nut said:
Thanks. When I have time I will hunt down the various threads from a year or so back saying what a good thing moving apps was and how beneficial it was to the phone's operation.
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Yes, at wildfire, desire and such devices, because they had pretty small internal storage that got filled pretty fast. The ds has enough internal storage and if you're not using at least a class 6 sd it will slow the moved apps down, so my advice stay with internal you won't ever fill it except you install about 300 - 500 apps (depending how much games are included not using the sd).
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Tectas said:
Yes, at wildfire, desire and such devices, because they had pretty small internal storage that got filled pretty fast. The ds has enough internal storage and if you're not using at least a class 6 sd it will slow the moved apps down, so my advice stay with internal you won't ever fill it except you install about 300 - 500 apps (depending how much games are included not using the sd).
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I disagree; with many games now coming with 1.5gb of data needed this question is entirely relevant.
In fact on ics the move to sd function is disabled. Can provide a ss if needed. Samsung and a few other manufacturers have also confirmed this.
Just my 2pence.

very good job answering the OP's question all. games and apps nowadays are using around 50MB by default (i'm looking at you chrome, grabatron, and google play music), sometimes with additional space being used for on-device caching. at that rate, even with 2GB on-device storage, 20-40 solid modern apps could eat that up in no time, and i know that there are apps out there that take up more space than normal (webster's dictionary (300MB), friggin' MYST (700MB), etc). whats worse, google lifted the market restriction for apps all the way up to 4GB earlier this year. go ahead and try to imagine a 4GB app on 2GB of internal storage.
once you fill up internal storage, your phone will stop doing the things you like it to do, like download text messages, sync email, and keep apps up to date. apps on SD is a real need for some persons. apps2sd or link2sd are good options for apps that you don't use frequently or that don't require extreme speed to complete (like titanium backup, which runs on a schedule once a week in the middle of the night; i really don't care how long it takes to load).
and now the bad news. on some (perhaps most) ics devices (like the optimus 4x and galaxy s3), the ability to move apps to SD is just completely gone. any sd card app mover you install will tell you this and will refuse to do anything. this is because the ROM is configured to use the SD card as secondary storage (it's mounted at /mnt/sdcard/external_sd instead of /mnt/sdcard, and also perhaps formatted differently?).
grain of salt time. my phone has 1.4GB internal storage free. at what point do i start getting worried and consider moving apps to SD? i'd say 100MB is a good time to think about alternative storage, or cleaning out old apps. but, that's just me. i'm not a huge storage user, but do consider the possibility that someone will want that feature.

Ics not supporting moving applications to external sd card
al89nut said:
i have just bought an asus tf300 and apps can't be moved. Reading online, people say its because ics doesn't allow it - so what happens when the ds gets ics?
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idiot google has removed the feature apps2sd from ics and upwards versions.

big apps (games) are automatically installed on sd card

Is it possible to have 1gb ram?

I am 100% sure that i have 1gb ram on my nexus s. When i bought my phone from wind they said it has 1gb ram. When i use any application that shows ram its 1gb. Airdroid too. Is this possible or am i going crazy?

Demaier said:
I am 100% sure that i have 1gb ram on my nexus s. When i bought my phone from wind they said it has 1gb ram. When i use any application that shows ram its 1gb. Airdroid too. Is this possible or am i going crazy?
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a) you're crazy
or
b) you have a galaxy nexus instead of a nexus s

Demaier said:
I am 100% sure that i have 1gb ram on my nexus s. When i bought my phone from wind they said it has 1gb ram. When i use any application that shows ram its 1gb. Airdroid too. Is this possible or am i going crazy?
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Lucky! I supposedly have 512MB of RAM...Most ROMs Show that I have 382MB of RAM. So maybe its a misreading? I'm not too sure. 1024MB of RAM sure does sound nice...What about your CPU? 1.2GHz?

ekerazha said:
a) you're crazy
or
b) you have a galaxy nexus instead of a nexus s
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Well both my parents have a galaxy nexus so i know mine doesn't look like that. And i rooted it with tuts on nexusshacks so I must be crazy. xD, I did get it very recently though so did they come out with a 1gb version afterwards?

betoishly said:
Lucky! I supposedly have 512MB of RAM...Most ROMs Show that I have 382MB of RAM. So maybe its a misreading? I'm not too sure. 1024MB of RAM sure does sound nice...What about your CPU? 1.2GHz?
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Well I am not using a rom , im stock and many apps and stuff say i have a full Gb. Also my cpu is 1GHz Samsung Hummingbird (ARM Cortex A8 + SGX 540) and everything else is exactly the same as everyone else , I have used my parents galaxy nexus's and they seem slower even though my parents don't install anything. Either way i just loooveee my phone. I guess im just lucky or something. (I got it from Wind Ca , that must be the secret)

Demaier said:
Well I am not using a rom , im stock and many apps and stuff say i have a full Gb. Also my cpu is 1GHz Samsung Hummingbird (ARM Cortex A8 + SGX 540) and everything else is exactly the same as everyone else , I have used my parents galaxy nexus's and they seem slower even though my parents don't install anything. Either way i just loooveee my phone. I guess im just lucky or something. (I got it from Wind Ca , that must be the secret)
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Any way of getting a screenshot?

Settings --> Apps --> Running --> xxxMB used / xxxMB free
Give me those two numbers. After this we can do more investigation.

betoishly said:
Any way of getting a screenshot?
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I could do a screenshot through airdroid. (It's an app to connect your phone to your computer)
tinypic,com/35a3h36,jpg <Change the commas to a periods
Harbb said:
Settings --> Apps --> Running --> xxxMB used / xxxMB free
Give me those two numbers. After this we can do more investigation.
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Strangely they are 263 and 80 which clearly dont add up to 512 or 1024, i swear that during ics it said that they were 1024 and apps still seem to from my screenshot above. And i remember the employee saying it had 1gb

343mb is a typical amount provided by stock, around 50mb+ is kept by the system (codecs or something from memory? bigmem ditches most of it) and the rest is used by the GPU, overall adding up to 512mb of RAM, which is what's in your phone
That link 404's on me, so another would be appreciated. If you have busybox, download that and type in terminal emulator/adb shell:
free -m
and let me know what the numbers are.

Harbb said:
343mb is a typical amount provided by stock, around 50mb+ is kept by the system (codecs or something from memory? bigmem ditches most of it) and the rest is used by the GPU, overall adding up to 512mb of RAM, which is what's in your phone
That link 404's on me, so another would be appreciated. If you have busybox, download that and type in terminal emulator/adb shell:
free -m
and let me know what the numbers are.
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Mem: 343 339 3 0 1
i47,tinypic,com/35a3h36,jpg
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Free indicates you have 343MB available (excluding reserved allocations). The pic you linked to is showing how much storage you have for apps, which is ~1GB. You'll see this in Settings --> Apps --> Downloaded --> Internal Storage (xxxMB Used, xxxMB Free). This is storage for apps you download from google play or sideload. Many of these can also be stored on the sdcard if you so choose.

Harbb said:
Free indicates you have 343MB available (excluding reserved allocations). The pic you linked to is showing how much storage you have for apps, which is ~1GB. You'll see this in Settings --> Apps --> Downloaded --> Internal Storage (xxxMB Used, xxxMB Free). This is storage for apps you download from google play or sideload. Many of these can also be stored on the sdcard if you so choose.
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ohh, i knew what the 2nd option was that makes sense now thanks.

Heads Up - Motoral have sold 4GB models of their Peregrine???

I bought my peregrine the other day from Tesco Direct. When I plugged it into my computer it showed that the internal memory of the phone was 5GB and that 4GB was available. I immediately checked on my phone under 'settings' 'storage' and similarly it read 5.52GB total and 4.09GB free.
I called up Tesco Direct and got passed around the departments for about 20 minutes. When I was put through to their mobile tech support they told me I was the second person today to call about the exact same issue and that it's a problem on Motorola's part.
I haven't seen anything about this elsewhere on the internet so thought I'd give you potential buyers a heads up.

Basically, your phone won't have exactly 8GB to start with. It'll be like 7.5 or 7.6. Idk, ask someone who knows more about it (I think its because of rounding the MB to GB). Anyway, after that, the operating System takes a sizeable chunk out of that. So that leaves 5.52GB. You have 4.09GB free after all the apps/ updates n stuff.

djpailo said:
Basically, your phone won't have exactly 8GB to start with. It'll be like 7.5 or 7.6. Idk, ask someone who knows more about it (I think its because of rounding the MB to GB). Anyway, after that, the operating System takes a sizeable chunk out of that. So that leaves 5.52GB. You have 4.09GB free after all the apps/ updates n stuff.
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You are about right. When I purchased the 8GB version of the Moto G x1032, it also had around 4GB free from the 8GB of storage. Now, I don't really need that much storage, but 4GB wasn't enough of me, so I traded it for the 16GB version of the Moto G x1032. That 16GB version had a little under 13GB (More like 12.9GB) storage space left. The only weird thing is that system images of stock firmware are around 700MB. So I don't really know what all those GB's are used for exactly…

Sard Shift said:
The only weird thing is that system images of stock firmware are around 700MB. So I don't really know what all those GB's are used for exactly…
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700mb with compression. When you flash the system.img - files are uncompressed.

djpailo said:
Basically, your phone won't have exactly 8GB to start with. It'll be like 7.5 or 7.6. Idk, ask someone who knows more about it (I think its because of rounding the MB to GB). Anyway, after that, the operating System takes a sizeable chunk out of that. So that leaves 5.52GB. You have 4.09GB free after all the apps/ updates n stuff.
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Actually more like 7.1GB is left and it's due to formatting and the file system overheads.
Then you've got to wonder which definition of gigabyte their using.
Windows uses gigabyte = 1024 MB what android uses I don't know.
But disk manufactures use gigabyte = 1000MB
Which is correct I might add.

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700mb with compression. When you flash the system.img - files are uncompressed.
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That makes perfect sense and I feel kinda stupid now. Thanks for clearing that up.

Here's everything you need to know.
Also 1GB = 1024 MB in any filesystem and we got very stupid /cache partition of 652.5MB, which is pure waste of the very limited storage we have.

liveroy said:
Here's everything you need to know.
Also 1GB = 1024 MB in any filesystem and we got very stupid /cache partition of 652.5MB, which is pure waste of the very limited storage we have.
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Yeah it's a 1024 if you count binary.
gibibyte = 1024 MiB
gigabyte = 1000MB
Windows isn't supposed to report as GB it's GiB in binary.
Mac osx counts in decimal so can the Linux kernel there's only windows who's never changed it.

liveroy said:
Here's everything you need to know.
Also 1GB = 1024 MB in any filesystem and we got very stupid /cache partition of 652.5MB, which is pure waste of the very limited storage we have.
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Thanks.
Am I right in thinking that 4GB models of the 3G peregrine actually have no free space then???
Just so you guys know, I have the 4G/LTE model. Could anyone with the same model please confirm that their internal memory is the same as mine?

StenchBag said:
Thanks.
Am I right in thinking that 4GB models of the 3G peregrine actually have no free space then???
Just so you guys know, I have the 4G/LTE model. Could anyone with the same model please confirm that their internal memory is the same as mine?
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There is no 4GB model. This thread has explained that you have an 8GB model and why you have as much space as you do. My 8GB Moto G (non-LTE) also says 5.52GB 'Total space.' The phone allocates 5.52GB for you to use, the rest is kept separate for Android. If you wiped all partitions on the phone, you would then have close to 8GB.
You always have the option of rooting and deleting some system apps to free up more space.

lost101 said:
There is no 4GB model. This thread has explained that you have an 8GB model and why you have as much space as you do. My 8GB Moto G (non-LTE) also says 5.52GB 'Total space.' The phone allocates 5.52GB for you to use, the rest is kept separate for Android. If you wiped all partitions on the phone, you would then have close to 8GB.
You always have the option of rooting and deleting some system apps to free up more space.
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Oh right lol. Yes I'm planning on unlocking the bootloader and rooting eventually.
I was already aware of the reasons for memory usage but just not this much. That's why I've asked for someone with the exact same model to confirm that my case is normal.
Also, could anyone point me in the right direction for why the 4.4.4 update isn't available for me? I'm in the UK.
EDIT: I've just seen that you've edited your last post. Thanks