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Qualcomm's Dual-core cpu inferior to others?

So I visited www.phonearena.com yesterday and saw the news about the HTC Pyramid.At first I thought wow,Qualcomm and HTC won't only get left behind but will have about the same technology and will run at higher frequencies.
But then I remembered something that troubled me.I remember reading somewhere that Qualcomm's dual-core CPUs will be based on the current-gen Cortex-A8 by ARM,while others,like Samsung's Orion,will be using the next-gen Cortex-A9 that is superior in both perfrormance and consumption,while being designed especially for dual-core CPUs,unlike the A8.
What's your take on this guys?

No one?
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Strongly agree

i hope this isn't true. tegra 2 outperformed old cpu's with only one core running! that's because it's Cortex-A9. now, if it was Cortex-A8, i don't think there would be much of a difference.

In fact i think it is superior to the tegra 2 or Orion plat form despite being an cortex A8 architecture, but it is not a long term solution point proven as Qualcomm is developing it A9 counterpart the MSM 89xx
How it is superior? Well between A8 and A9 architecture to my knowledge there isn't much of a difference, the major one is enhanced soc and the capability to use DDR3 ram instead of being limited to ddr2
But how these two doesn't matter in the short term, well the first one is obvious because Qualcomm doesn't use just a Normal Cortex A8 architecture ( was used on the first gen of snapdragon) as the second generation MSM8255 used on the desire HD for exemple has an enhanced soc and cach point proven when compared to a lets say Omap 3 or hummingbird in every cpu benchmark i believe the MSM comes on top(correct me if i m wrong).
The second point which is about Ram, i don't believe we will be seeing DDR3 ram on smartphone anytime soon so at this it is a kinda useless advantage.
Now add to that if the rumors are correct that one cpu can be switched off if the charge is low then while the on tegra 2 which use a dual core architecture and not a dual cpu architecture.
Edit: this is true + Asynchronis clocking for each core!
Also in terms of graphics, the MSM8x60 comes with adreno 220 which is definitly faster than the adreno 205 almost as fast as the SGX540 and which is rumored to be faster than the GPU in tegra 2, the geforce, as for the Orion is believed to get the SGX543mp2 but Orion is not coming anytime soon, and probably will hit the market once tegra3 and MSM89XX is almost there (which comes with Adreno 300)
Hopefully this does help you, i know that not everything i mentioned is accurate, but i ll invite you to watch this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdVw9uBIr5I

But how these two doesn't matter in the short term, well the first one is obvious because Qualcomm doesn't use just a Normal Cortex A8 architecture ( was used on the first gen of snapdragon) as the second generation MSM8255 used on the desire HD for exemple has an enhanced soc and cach point proven when compared to a lets say Omap 3 or hummingbird in every cpu benchmark i believe the MSM comes on top(correct me if i m wrong).
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Synthetic benchmarks like that though don't gauge real life performance though.

vbetts said:
Synthetic benchmarks like that though don't gauge real life performance though.
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I do agree with you, but they do give a scal for the performance especially when there are different types that relies on a different system to test the perfomance.
In real world you have to agree that MSM8255 is the fastest CPU out there atm just look at how the Desire HD is a screamer! or even the G2/Desire Z with the same CPU but clocked 800mhz does a pretty great job even compared to the latest omap3/hummingbird phones.

Definitely, the MSM8255 45nm matches the old MSM8250 65nm even when the stock clock in the Z/G2 is only 800 mhz, versus that extra 200 mhz. The gpu is lacking compared to others.

vbetts said:
Definitely, the MSM8255 45nm matches the old MSM8250 65nm even when the stock clock in the Z/G2 is only 800 mhz, versus that extra 200 mhz. The gpu is lacking compared to others.
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No,the GPU of the Desire Z/HD only lacks against the SGX540 of the Galaxy S!
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kurolife said:
In fact i think it is superior to the tegra 2 or Orion plat form despite being an cortex A8 architecture, but it is not a long term solution point proven as Qualcomm is developing it A9 counterpart the MSM 89xx
How it is superior? Well between A8 and A9 architecture to my knowledge there isn't much of a difference, the major one is enhanced soc and the capability to use DDR3 ram instead of being limited to ddr2
But how these two doesn't matter in the short term, well the first one is obvious because Qualcomm doesn't use just a Normal Cortex A8 architecture ( was used on the first gen of snapdragon) as the second generation MSM8255 used on the desire HD for exemple has an enhanced soc and cach point proven when compared to a lets say Omap 3 or hummingbird in every cpu benchmark i believe the MSM comes on top(correct me if i m wrong).
The second point which is about Ram, i don't believe we will be seeing DDR3 ram on smartphone anytime soon so at this it is a kinda useless advantage.
Now add to that if the rumors are correct that one cpu can be switched off if the charge is low then while the on tegra 2 which use a dual core architecture and not a dual cpu architecture.
Edit: this is true + Asynchronis clocking for each core!
Also in terms of graphics, the MSM8x60 comes with adreno 220 which is definitly faster than the adreno 205 almost as fast as the SGX540 and which is rumored to be faster than the GPU in tegra 2, the geforce, as for the Orion is believed to get the SGX543mp2 but Orion is not coming anytime soon, and probably will hit the market once tegra3 and MSM89XX is almost there (which comes with Adreno 300)
Hopefully this does help you, i know that not everything i mentioned is accurate, but i ll invite you to watch this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdVw9uBIr5I
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Ok,you convinced me!I'll be buyinh htc again!
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vbetts said:
Definitely, the MSM8255 45nm matches the old MSM8250 65nm even when the stock clock in the Z/G2 is only 800 mhz, versus that extra 200 mhz. The gpu is lacking compared to others.
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As lotis said the only GPU that is faster than the Adreno 205 is the SGX540 and by a very slight marging in 3D while the Adreno wins in terms of 2D. The thing with Adreno GPUs is that they are clocked with the CPU and i believe the comparaisons were done with a G2 vs SGS + lagfix and froyo , i believe the GPU on the Desire HD does have a higher clock than the one on the G2 and thus perform better but again is this a fact or just another rumor if someone could confirm this..
But for a fact we all know that a stock G2 on pure android does 1600-1800 Quadrant score and a pure desire HD does a 1900-2100 on Android + sense out of the box

tolis626 said:
Ok,you convinced me!I'll be buyinh htc again!
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i m looking forward to the pyramid hopefully HTC will show it on the MWC (but im afraid there is a chance that they won't because they've just released the desire HD counter part in the US aka thunderbolt and inspire 4G) or else i might be tempted by the Motorola Atrix

whats up with all the fear and worries ? quandrant for tegra2 is a mere 1911 . it will get its a** kicked by anthing qcom makes in 2011 .
that said , there is a low possibility quandrant only runs single core enabled on quadrant , but what makes u sure that other apps will run dual core then ?

souljaboy said:
whats up with all the fear and worries ? quandrant for tegra2 is a mere 1911 . it will get its a** kicked by anthing qcom makes in 2011 .
that said , there is a low possibility quandrant only runs single core enabled on quadrant , but what makes u sure that other apps will run dual core then ?
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Nothing!That's the thing!
At the moment there is no software that takes advantage of both cores.I think that Gingerbread also has problems.So we have yet to see the performance gains by dual-cores.

kurolife said:
In fact i think it is superior to the tegra 2 or Orion plat form despite being an cortex A8 architecture, but it is not a long term solution point proven as Qualcomm is developing it A9 counterpart the MSM 89xx
How it is superior? Well between A8 and A9 architecture to my knowledge there isn't much of a difference, the major one is enhanced soc and the capability to use DDR3 ram instead of being limited to ddr2
But how these two doesn't matter in the short term, well the first one is obvious because Qualcomm doesn't use just a Normal Cortex A8 architecture ( was used on the first gen of snapdragon) as the second generation MSM8255 used on the desire HD for exemple has an enhanced soc and cach point proven when compared to a lets say Omap 3 or hummingbird in every cpu benchmark i believe the MSM comes on top(correct me if i m wrong).
The second point which is about Ram, i don't believe we will be seeing DDR3 ram on smartphone anytime soon so at this it is a kinda useless advantage.
Now add to that if the rumors are correct that one cpu can be switched off if the charge is low then while the on tegra 2 which use a dual core architecture and not a dual cpu architecture.
Edit: this is true + Asynchronis clocking for each core!
Also in terms of graphics, the MSM8x60 comes with adreno 220 which is definitly faster than the adreno 205 almost as fast as the SGX540 and which is rumored to be faster than the GPU in tegra 2, the geforce, as for the Orion is believed to get the SGX543mp2 but Orion is not coming anytime soon, and probably will hit the market once tegra3 and MSM89XX is almost there (which comes with Adreno 300)
Hopefully this does help you, i know that not everything i mentioned is accurate, but i ll invite you to watch this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdVw9uBIr5I
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I hope you're right!!

I didn't think it was possible for an A8 to be dual core

The dual core cortex a8 qualcomm is building is a heavily customized version. It has features from a9 built into the cpu.
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hey what do you say about the net quad core processors from nvidia.. ? smart phones will become computers and our laptops will be just a notebook..for music and bigger games

alexandru.j91 said:
hey what do you say about the net quad core processors from nvidia.. ? smart phones will become computers and our laptops will be just a notebook..for music and bigger games
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My laptop already is for surfing the net only because I prefer the large keyboard(it's a 17 incher after all ).Everything else I do with my smartphone,which has a 25% share of my gaming time.I also have a ps3!
Now,quad-core CPUs will first be for tablets(August 2011) and then for smartphones(Fall 2011?Maybe).These will pack some things like 12-core GPUs etc.Tests have already shown that they beat many dual-core x86 CPUs.What's next?Dunno,but I surely wanna see!

The next computers is possible, but relatively weak computers per say. But can any of our phones run crysis or crysis 2? Are they even remotely capable of generating over 10fps of it? Even the MALI 400MP, Tegra 2, adreno 220 or power vr SGX543 can't manage that. I don't think we'll be seeing any SoC's with that sort of power until maybe two years?
Point being, phones will never hold the same amount of power a computer can output. So computers will stay. Who's to say computer SoC's haven't been improving? sandybridge, quantum processing, six cores core i9, 48 cores? No one cares for computer news anymore?
Anyways onto the topic, looking at the new gpu benchmarks posted of the dual core snapdragon, 1.5ghz. They're making the other cpu's look bad. So maybe the SoC isn't that bad after all. looks like it was a prototype also so the finished product could be even better. Source:
http://blog.gsmarena.com/the-new-1-...sm8660-got-benchmarked-meet-the-new-champion/

Exynos 5250 and Tegra 4

Yes I've used the search tool and the last post in the last Exynos 5250 thread was at december 2011 and I can't find any rules about reviving old threads so I don't want to fiddle with it since I might get an infraction or worse a ban and and the last Tegra 4 thread wasn't coherent enough for me.
I don't know all the details but I would like to start talking about the supposed new Exynos 5250 and Tegra 4 development so please bear with me, I need all of those who has reliable information to add in the discussion. I'd like to start things with how will it fare against this year's smartphones and tablets? specifically the Samsung Galaxy S3 (1.4 ghz Quad ARM Cortex-A9 + Exynos 4412 & 1.5 GHz dual-core Qualcomm Krait + Snapdragon S4 MSM8960) and HTC one X ( 1.5 GHz quad-core ARM Cortex-A9 + Nvidia Tegra 3 & 1.5 GHz dual-core Qualcomm Krait + Snapdragon S4 MSM8960) since they are currently the top Phones out there in the market performance wise.
Further into the topic will the new Exynos and Tegra make their predecessors completely obsolete once they come out? or is the performance leap going to be minimal at best? due to various factors perhaps you can't fully utilize their potential due to the limiting software apps out there? What I want you guys to elaborate for the community is how better will it be in terms of CPU and GPU benchmark performance. Please do share your Ideas and any reliable information about the said topic at hand.
P.S. I just got an SGS3 my very first smartphone and android, did I make a huge mistake by buying it or should have I gone for a cheaper Galaxy Nexus and waited for the new Exynos to come out?

Itadakiimasu said:
Yes I've used the search tool and the last post in the last Exynos 5250 thread was at december 2011 and I can't find any rules about reviving old threads so I don't want to fiddle with it since I might get an infraction or worse a ban and and the last Tegra 4 thread wasn't coherent enough for me.
I don't know all the details but I would like to start talking about the supposed new Exynos 5250 and Tegra 4 development so please bear with me, I need all of those who has reliable information to add in the discussion. I'd like to start things with how will it fare against this year's smartphones and tablets? specifically the Samsung Galaxy S3 (1.4 ghz Quad ARM Cortex-A9 + Exynos 4412 & 1.5 GHz dual-core Qualcomm Krait + Snapdragon S4 MSM8960) and HTC one X ( 1.5 GHz quad-core ARM Cortex-A9 + Nvidia Tegra 3 & 1.5 GHz dual-core Qualcomm Krait + Snapdragon S4 MSM8960) since they are currently the top Phones out there in the market performance wise.
Further into the topic will the new Exynos and Tegra make their predecessors completely obsolete once they come out? or is the performance leap going to be minimal at best? due to various factors perhaps you can't fully utilize their potential due to the limiting software apps out there? What I want you guys to elaborate for the community is how better will it be in terms of CPU and GPU benchmark performance. Please do share your Ideas and any reliable information about the said topic at hand.
P.S. I just got an SGS3 my very first smartphone and android, did I make a huge mistake by buying it or should have I gone for a cheaper Galaxy Nexus and waited for the new Exynos to come out?
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what better than Nvidia Tegra 3

First off, let's talk processors:
Your phone, the SGS3 i9300 is packing the Quad-Core Exynos 4412, rather than the dual-core Snapdragon S4 (MSM8960) for North American versions of the SGS3. The international version of the HTC One X has the 1.5GHz Tegra 3 vs the North American version which has the S4 as well.
Performance wise, these processors are all pretty on-par. Benchmark scores are close, with the Tegra 3 gaining the upper hand graphics-wise with its 12-core GPU. The processor to look out out of these 3 would be the S4, considering it's the first processor to (kinda) take advantage of the A15 cortex.
...The reason I say kind of, is because there is some discussion on the S4 being a hybrid between the A9 cortex (Tegra 3, Exynos 4) and the beastly A15. Qualcomm is a rebel, and doesn't follow ARM's chip designs like the others do. But I digress...
A15 is going to be a HUGE improvement over A9. HUGE performance gains, higher resolution displays, USB 3.0,OpenGL ES 3.0 (depending on the GPU) and much much more. The dual-core Exynos 5250 is going to be based off the A15 cortex, and it's going to blow even the quad core A9's out of the water. Tegra 4 will almost definitely be based off A15 as well, and it's going to be a sight to see. As for the Snapragon S5, who knows? I'm sure Qualcomm has some cool stuff up it's sleeve.
To answer your question, yes the new Exynos and Tegra processors are going to make older generation processors obsolete, but that doesn't mean you made a bad choice. The SGS3 is a great phone, and as such has tons of developers making custom roms, kernals, and other fun hacks to keep you occupied for the months to come hack away!
hope that helped!

You didn't make a mistake as at present android is not able to push current quadcore devices to their limits and there is a scope for lot more improvement
So even though next gen processors will be lot more powerful, your phone will still be able to handle next android releases so Don't worry and enjoy your S3
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vivek_bhoj said:
You didn't make a mistake as at present android is not able to push current quadcore devices to their limits and there is a scope for lot more improvement
So even though next gen processors will be lot more powerful, your phone will still be able to handle next android releases so Don't worry and enjoy your S3
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Android already has full multi core support. The only thing holding back multi cores is the fact that many apps still don't make use of them.
Also, that other guy made some great points but forgot to mention S4 Pro, which we already know a good deal about and is very impressive. It sets the bar high for the next tegra and for exynos 5250.
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Itadakiimasu said:
Further into the topic will the new Exynos and Tegra make their predecessors completely obsolete once they come out? or is the performance leap going to be minimal at best?
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They're not going to be "completely obsolete" (even GN and SG2, for example, are still good phones despite being "last year") but there is going to be a large performance increase to A15.
There's always a next big thing coming out, but generally it's not worth waiting for unless you're on the cusp. Even if the generation you shop is relatively old, the competitive market (unlike, say, that of a fruity company) helps to compensate you by providing discounts of the previous tech.
S3, in particular, is a darn good phone no matter how you look at it (except that it has hardware buttons, but I digress..)

Which processor is better?

Which processor is better? Samsung Exynos 4 Quad ARM Mali-400 MP4 OR Qualcomm Snapdragon S4 MSM8960 adreno 225?Much better?

RUSSIAN787 said:
Which processor is better? Samsung Exynos 4 Quad ARM Mali-400 MP4 OR Qualcomm Snapdragon S4 MSM8960 adreno 225?Much better?
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Better for what? Performance, energy saving, games on mobile phone? Quad-Core vs Dual-Core?
I'd prefer Quad-Core, but have never find a good test or benchmark for it.
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Which processor is better? Samsung Exynos 4 Quad ARM Mali-400 MP4 OR Qualcomm Snapdragon S4 MSM8960 adreno 225?Much better?
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Is your question in regards to the sgs3? The Mali has a better gpu but processing power they are about equal with all the bench marks. Quad core is nice for aaving battery power (more cores work less as hard as a dual or single core so it it uses less battery) but I think its a a9 architecture but the s4 is a a15 architecture which is much more optimized then a a9 so its a little bit better for battery.
And the s4 allows for 4g lte where as Mali does not.
And the s4 pro is coming out soon and the lg optimus g will have that which will probably destroy both of them out of the water.
S4 pro is a a15 quad core with adreno 320 gpu and will be the first quad to support 4g lte.
The optimus g has all the same specs as sgs3 expect it has the better cpu/gpu. Ram, screen size, resolution as well as internal memory are all the same and I think its SD card slot allows for a 64gb card as well. If it comes out for Verizon then I will be torn between that and the sgs3. Depends on dev support if It comes out on Verizon.
But for the Mali its one up is it gpu. S4 one up is 4g lte. Every thing else is marginal and as an end user you will not see the difference.
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Yes I to sgs3. In terms of what the processor is better? in games for example? In general, whether with MSM8960 Snapdragon S4 go to Exynos?

Hi dude! both processors are good! And dont forget about A6(Iphone5). Sry for iphone 5 but that processor is ammazing!

RUSSIAN787 said:
Yes I to sgs3. In terms of what the processor is better? in games for example? In general, whether with MSM8960 Snapdragon S4 go to Exynos?
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The exynos is better for hardcore 3d gaming, but otherwise you won't notice the difference in day to day and casual gaming.
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FEXTEZI said:
Hi dude! both processors are good! And dont forget about A6(Iphone5). Sry for iphone 5 but that processor is ammazing!
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Doesn't matter because since its an iPhone its scaled back to "improve stability" so you will never get its full potential just like iphone 4s is.
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qualcomm did not much inferior to Exynos?

In most of the reviews of US and international S3, Exynos scored more than snapdragon. But I believe, normal user will not feel much difference.

I had one with Exynos in hand. Pretty good.

i think the Exynos is very good

dual-core vs. quad-core

Hello all!
Long time reader, first time poster! I had a quick question... regarding the new 1.5 dual-core processors in the new phones (SIII, RAZR HD, etc., or even the HTC Rezound) vs. the quad-core processors soon to release on the newer phones in the coming months. How much faster is the quad-core vs. the dual-core? Please don't respond with "twice as fast," I get that I was wondering if there would really be any noticeable difference in the speed capabilities of the phone, even when worked to it's limit.
For instance, 1 degree vs. 2 degrees temperature - it's "twice as hot," but you're not going to notice it at all. But 40 degress vs. 80 degrees - "it's twice as hot" has a whole new meaning!
I am wanting to get a new RAZR MAXX HD, but was debating holding off for the LG Nexus or another quad-core phone that's on the horizon... Thanks in advance for all your help!

In Europe SIII has a quadcore too
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Personally I don't think it's noticeable at all. Maybe when browsing web, rendering goes faster in multi-core optimised browsers. And of course some games would run better. But I can't imagine any other use, unless you want to run SuperPI in the terminal there. It'll probably run nearly twice faster.
Edit: From the other point. There will be more and more optimisations in Android for multi-core SoCs, so quad-core will for sure "last longer".

Rebellos, thanks for the help! Not to open a whole can of worms, but what do you mean "run SuperPI"? Is this an app that I should be familiarizing myself with? (Fairly new to the ROMs, rooting, bootloaders side of things)

When I got my captivate, I had the option of waiting a month to get the atrix which had a dual core processor. I choose to go for the sure-fire "I Know it'll have dev support" single core processor and don't regret it.
This time however, there are like 3 quad core devices coming out. One x+ has a tegra 3, the Note 2 has an exynos. The Optimus G has an S4.
While dev support is still important.. the S4 is an incredibly compelling factor for me personally.

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Rebellos, thanks for the help! Not to open a whole can of worms, but what do you mean "run SuperPI"? Is this an app that I should be familiarizing myself with? (Fairly new to the ROMs, rooting, bootloaders side of things)
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SuperPi is nothing more than a benchmark you really don't need to concern yourself with.
Remember when you are talking about cores, it is not simply the number of cores that you need to take into consideration but also the architecture which those new cores are built on. The new A15 Krait chips are dual core, but will blow the door off a quad core CPU with an older architecture. MHZ and Cores are relative. If they put out a modern super phone with a dual core processor you can bet those are two beefy and very fast cores.
There is the valid point that Android is going to continue to specialize in multithread execution but 1 core does not necessarily translate into 1 thread. A hyper-threaded cpu core actually shows up as 2 physical cores to the computer it serves, so if you are running a dual core that is hyper-threaded the PC thinks there is a quad core on board. It also depends on what type of application you are running as to whether a very solid 1 thread computational approach would be superior to a multi-threaded approach.
In short there is not set answer. There are hypothetical road maps defining architecture but these days innovation is so common said road maps could made an abrupt 180 if circumstances change. When if is time to buy a phone, or any computational device, consider what it's primary task is. That could help you decide whehter a multi or single threaded approach could be more effective. Ultimately as mentioned earlier everything is going the way of the multi-core, multi-thread, meaning instead of having 1 processor/thread complete 1 job, muliple processor/threads complete several mini jobs to arrive at the same point. Usually a multi threaded approach is more effective if designed correctly. Then look at what is available, where is your bang for the buck. Ultimately the number of cores and frequency run at has little to do with processing prowess. It's about design, innovation and engineering. Sorry if this didn't help much. It was more designed to give you something to thing about as apposed to pat, here you are, here's your answer as I rarely believe there is 1 approach or 1 answer to a solution. That's what computing is and computers = phones = innovation.

For gaming it makes a difference. For everything else, not really. Comparing the HTC One X vs the One XL (Tegra 3 Quad vs Snapdragon S4 Dual, respectively), the One XL benchmarks as faster than the One X CPU-wise (calculations), but the One X is more powerful graphically because the GeForce GPU inside the Tegra 3 chipset is more powerful than the Adreno 225 inside the Snapdragon S4. I have the Galaxy S3 i9300 while my girlfriend has the AT&T Snapdragon S4 Dual (LTE + 2GB RAM) version. Mine is clearly faster when it comes to heavy gaming, noticeably. Hers jerks on certain games like Beach Buggy Blitz, even on middle-level resolution, while mine runs completely smoothly on the highest resolution.
The only real comparison would be Snapdragon S4 Dual vs Snapdragon S4 Quad, or Exynos Dual vs Exynos Quad. The Galaxy S2 was as smooth as the S3, from personal experience (Sprint, Exynos version vs GS3 International Exynos version). Gaming was also super fast. But the Exynos quad is definitely more powerful.
TL;DR: It depends heavily on the chipsets being compared.

I have a T-Mobile Galaxy S2 running AOKP JB. In my opinion AOKP JB is A LOT faster than CM10. My phone is really fast now. Dual-core is still good.

gaming and browsing
u can feel the difference in gaming and web browsing....

Sometimes Dual Core is better for example the Exynos 5250
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megafabian03 said:
Sometimes Dual Core is better for example the Exynos 5250
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True, but that's a completely different architecture. Exynos 4412 (the one in the i9300) is based on Cortex A9, whereas the Exynos 5520 is Cortex A15. It's like saying quad-core Pentium 3 vs dual-core Pentium 4. The Pentium 4 is a more advanced architecture, so it would win. It's like comparing apples to oranges.

Yes the 4412 is just double Dualcore
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Yes the 4412 is just double Dualcore
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Exynos 4412 is the quad core version in the Galaxy S3 i9300. The Exynos Dual core inside of the Galaxy S II is the 4212.

Thanks for all the advice and tips everyone! And thanks to fusuikan for the very lengthy explanation of SuperPI and insight into processing chips!

Product F(RED) said:
Exynos 4412 is the quad core version in the Galaxy S3 i9300. The Exynos Dual core inside of the Galaxy S II is the 4212.
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But Samsung has just doubled the cores and not founded a new processor
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For heavy games it makes difference.

In my opinion, a A15 based dual core may be a better as an overall proposition compared to a quad core A9. The A15 should have approximately 20%-40%+ better single threaded performance. Most of the time you are working in a single threaded mode.
In fact you only need quad core when using a very high multi-threaded load. Not very common on a phone.
If however the choice is between a dual core A15 vs a quad core A15, the choice becomes very straightforward. Get the quad-core in that case.

Dual Core A15 vs Quad Core A9 (of the same type of chipset, like Exynos 4412 Quad in the S3 vs Exynos 5520 in the Nexus 10/Samsung Chromebook), Dual wins. It's more efficient and just overall more powerful. The first A15 chipset are the Snapdragon S4 Pro (Quad only) and the Exynos 5250. It's speculated though that the Galaxy S4 will have an Exynos 5 Quad.
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Product F(RED) said:
Dual Core A15 vs Quad Core A9 (of the same type of chipset, like Exynos 4412 Quad in the S3 vs Exynos 5520 in the Nexus 10/Samsung Chromebook), Dual wins. It's more efficient and just overall more powerful. The first A15 chipset are the Snapdragon S4 Pro (Quad only) and the Exynos 5520. It's speculated though that the Galaxy S4 will have an Exynos 5 Quad.
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Actually its Exynos 5250 not 5520 and s4 pro is not based on A15 architecture its quite similar but A15(dual core) gives better performance than s4 pro(quad core) in single threaded operations ,but in multi threaded operations s4 pro is better,but with same number of cores on both ,A15(quad core) would be better than s4 pro(quad core) in both multi threaded and single threaded operations.
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Product F(RED) said:
Exynos 4412 is the quad core version in the Galaxy S3 i9300. The Exynos Dual core inside of the Galaxy S II is the 4212.
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Galaxy s2 GT I9100 uses exynos
4210 not 4212
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Post you benchmarks!!! SD800 vs Exynos Octa

Guys be appropriate and post your benchmarks!!
I'll do mine when I get it!!!
Thanks

as I read on Android Authority, Samsung confirmed that new Exynos 5 Octa will be able to use all eight cores simultaneously after installation of a software patch...
let's wait what this will lead to :laugh:

theguardian99 said:
as I read on Android Authority, Samsung confirmed that new Exynos 5 Octa will be able to use all eight cores simultaneously after installation of a software patch...
let's wait what this will lead to :laugh:
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I don't think you will see much difference in benchmarks. Maybe bit better as the clocks are higher compared to 5410 1st-gen octa. But the biggest advantage should be batterylife. Now any task can run on any core and GTS can make use of any combination of cores to perform the task. This is lot better compared to cluster-migration technique. I am more interested in batterylife results.

You will still get more results than the SD800, but it comes with a killup of features.. as recording is not possible on exynos at 4K

CLARiiON said:
I don't think you will see much difference in benchmarks. Maybe bit better as the clocks are higher compared to 5410 1st-gen octa. But the biggest advantage should be batterylife. Now any task can run on any core and GTS can make use of any combination of cores to perform the task. This is lot better compared to cluster-migration technique. I am more interested in batterylife results.
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Even if the clocks are higher on the snapdragon processeor ,the octa have an a15 architecture which is faster than the snapdragon's krait 400.

My main concern is Exynos Octa core overheating & lags/freezes in it . Please do put a remark on the same, while posting Benchmarks for Octa Core .

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You will still get more results than the SD800, but it comes with a killup of features.. as recording is not possible on exynos at 4K
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i dont think 4k really matters to people. i'm pretty sure not many people own a 4k tv/monitor. and if they do they probably would want a real camera to record it with. with OIS.

The sweet thing about the Exynos 5420 is that it uses a Mali T628 MP6 instead of the PowerVR SGX544MP3 like the 5410 used. Also sound quality should be better on the Exynos variant because it should be using a wolfston DAC. Since the Exynos one does not have LTE I will be stuck with the Snapdragon variant.
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Exynos score on antutu

Passmark benchmark anyone?
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CLARiiON said:
I don't think you will see much difference in benchmarks. Maybe bit better as the clocks are higher compared to 5410 1st-gen octa. But the biggest advantage should be batterylife. Now any task can run on any core and GTS can make use of any combination of cores to perform the task. This is lot better compared to cluster-migration technique. I am more interested in batterylife results.
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Bad Exynos 5410 is caused by CCI. It will cause lag and bad battery life. It fixed in Exynos 5420. Good battery life and good performance.
I'm hand-on S800 and Exynos 5420 version and can't find out who better.
S800 is better in graphics? Nope. The same. In benchmark, 3DMark for example, high VGA memory is used to store texture. In S800, 512MB is configurated to VGA. And in Exynos 5420, it just 320MB. (Some ram is used in LTE/HSPA baseband, touchscreen,...). Result is S800 is better in offscreen benchmark due to a lot texture is stored in ram. But in on-screen or free ram, Exynos 5420 are much better. After 3 hours of use, ram used is bumped up to 2,2-2,3GB in Exynos 5420 but i can't see any lag because free ram is 400MB but in S800 (my friend), he feel some lag, free ram only 100-200MB. Clean up ram and it will be ok.
Battery in 2 version is the same. Difference not too much to notice.
But, note 3 is just a note. We use it because we can store and note everything, not simple to benchmark it.

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In benchmark, 3DMark for example, high VGA memory is used to store texture. In S800, 512MB is configurated to VGA. And in Exynos 5420, it just 320MB.
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Just to clear things up since you guys keep mentioning this: Video memory is not part of the reserved memory.
The increased memory buffers on the Snapdragon likely are going to the camera and other such things as 4K recording.

AndreiLux said:
Just to clear things up since you guys keep mentioning this: Video memory is not part of the reserved memory.
The increased memory buffers on the Snapdragon likely are going to the camera and other such things as 4K recording.
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Hii Andrei am waiting for your wonderful kernel hope u build one perseus like u built for note 2 and s4

bhasg1007 said:
Hii Andrei am waiting for your wonderful kernel hope u build one perseus like u built for note 2 and s4
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I don't have a Note 3 and I won't get one myself.

AndreiLux said:
I don't have a Note 3 and I won't get one myself.
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Sorry to bother, but is that a confirmation that you won't be able to support Note 3 like you did Note 2? I do understand the hardware is different this time round...
Thanks!
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Verizon LG G2 S800 Antutu score. I don't have my Note3 yet and I wanted to join in.
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Has anyone determined whether or not the S800 is a 8974 or 8974AB?

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Has anyone determined whether or not the S800 is a 8974 or 8974AB?
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This
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