[Q] Does the keyboard dock lag when typing? - Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

I've been considering purchasing the TF201 for a while now, but now that the TF300 has been released, I find it even more attractive at only $399. One of the things preventing me from going with a Transformer is whether or not the Dock's keyboard really enhances the overall 'experience'.
I would like to know what to expect from current users of the Transformer + Dock, of any model as I would expect similar performance. Is there a noticeable lag when typing from the dock? Do you notice more noticeable lag in the stock browser vs Dolphin, Opera, or Firefox ? How does it fare in word processing / note taking applications?

When a large number of things are going on at once it can take a bit to select an area to type into, but once typing there is very little if any lag at all (not noticeable to me) Do take into account that I'm overclocked with a custom kernel, that may have helped. Even before doing that I remember it was relatively lag free. Stock browser is meh, you should probably find an alternative. (not for typing but for functionality reasons, gestures etc..) Dedicated word processing is great, but do keep in mind that full writing suite apps usually cost in the $15-25 range.
Just my *¢2.

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I guess for me it depends a little bit on the application but purpose as well.
I am writing parts of my doctor thesis on it, whenever I am mobile and have some time
With notepad or jotterpad there is no lag in my opinion. I am actually rather positively surprised by the quality it offers. I saw lots of threads here about people complaining that the keyboard quality and the buttons would be poor. But then for me writing works pretty well, combined with the auto correction almost flawless.
And hey there might be better Bluetooth keyboards, but which one offers extra hours of battery?

I very rarely see it lag. I sometimes see it lag if it's been on for sometime and theirs lot of things going on in the background.

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[Q] Typing Lag

I've noticed in a lot of posts, people complaining about the "lag" when typing, most usually when on web pages...
I know that myself and quite a few people have posted informing them that whilst different input keyboards may introduce lag, its more often than not the webpage as rendered in the stock browser (which I think quite a few people use).. e.g. Here on xda.. switch to classic skin or switch to FireFox/Dolphin and see the difference in typing speed...
Just wondering, with all the info available here to put peoples' minds at ease.. why they're still citing that as one of the dealbreakers for returning what is shaping up to be an awesome device
I noticed that lag a lot more on xda. I will try to switch the skin to see if it helps.
I think this is still too early for returns. I am keeping this even though I have the dock issue and browser lag and dead pixel. I love the TF and that is it. Asus will take care of most of the issues through updates sooner rather than later
i have massive lag typing anywhere on the browser. But i'm pretty sure it's honeycomb and not the transformer.
Regardless, opera mobile, dolphin hd, and firefox all help with it. Opera Mobile actually works really good on the transformer.
I've seen a report that 3.1 on the Xoom
made the keyboard response and HD video better, not perfect but better.
How long to wait, can always buy again if it does improve ...
I thought the lag was largely dues to the Asus keyboard's auto-correction code, and switching to an alternative keyboard eliminates the problem. Is this not the case?
jerrykur said:
I thought the lag was largely dues to the Asus keyboard's auto-correction code, and switching to an alternative keyboard eliminates the problem. Is this not the case?
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Changing keyboards and options can seem to help,
but even doing so at times the lag can get pretty bad.
It's a basic task that should work, or might as well suffer with a netbook
neok44 said:
i have massive lag typing anywhere on the browser. But i'm pretty sure it's honeycomb and not the transformer.
Regardless, opera mobile, dolphin hd, and firefox all help with it. Opera Mobile actually works really good on the transformer.
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weird.. I don't see any real lag except for the situations on certain forums I mentioned above using only the stock browser.. but then people's definition of lag varies I guess. Certainly the Thumb Keyboard beta I'm using now works pretty well.. I thought the Asus one was a bit more sluggish, but not a deal breaker... just prefer thumb keys myself

Tablet lag in vertical orientation?

I got the 10.1 tablet as a gift, and for the most part it seems okay. Scrolling through the homescreens and app drawer while the tablet is horizontal is generally quite smooth.
However, once I flip the tablet to a vertical orientation, everything slows down dramatically. Scrolling through the homescreens or app drawer is a laggy mess; I'd guess the framerate drops by at least half. Zooming out to edit the homescreens (this is either an ICS feature or a modified Samsung feature, not sure) should result in a smooth animation/transition, but it ends up being about 1 or 2 frames in total. This lag carries over into many apps; even simple news apps like Pulse are generally very, very laggy.
Will the CleanRom or debloat tool do anything to solve these issues, or is simply a matter of crappy hardware? I'm not sure why Samsung would bother to release this tablet when their modified ICS isn't even optimized for the hardware at all. What exactly is the selling point of this tablet when there are other options, such as the Transformer TF300, with much better specs at a cheaper price? Unless there's something wrong with my tablet, I just don't understand why this model exists. It can still function just fine as a tablet, and it was a gift so I can't return it, but I really hope there's some sort of solution.
It seems like a few users have had problems with extreme slowness. This is NOT the norm. A ROM change should solve your problems.
Do you mean this is not the norm for the stock ROM? That would seem to suggest that my device is defective somehow; maybe I can manage to get a replacement, but I really thought this was just an issue for everyone due to the outdated specs. If not, I'll look into the bloat-free ROMs.
Your device's hardware may not be defective, but it seems some people have this issue with the stock ROM. Your problem should be fixed if you install, say, cyanogenmod.
Thanks for the clarification. It lags even while typing, because loading the predictions is apparently too strenuous for this tablet on stock. Voiding the warranty seems to be a no-brainer in this case.
If you're looking for instructions on rooting, check out my guide.

Real Life performance?

Could someone please see how much the HD display hinders performance of the tablet vs the Prime?
For example... are the transitions and scrolling just as good, do games run just as fast, are apps overall just as snappy?
Because this is probably my biggest concern with the Infinity, that the HD display will cause its overall performance to suffer.
Also does anyone know if capacitive stylus's work any better with the Infinity?
EDIT: Found some nice videos of this running real time!
I've had a brief play-through with the Prime, and I can't really say the Infinity is less snappy. I do believe I see more 'hiccups' when storage is accessed, like when you install something from the Play Store and try to do something else concurrently. It can take anything from a brief hiccup to some several seconds long. ; ) And I've had Aldiko crash my Infinity twice in a row by opening a pdf file; possibly, I/O or something else, as I must admit I don't know how the Prime would have handled that one, but it is an observation.
Scrolling is fine, nothing noticeably slower or less snappy. I haven't played heavier games for ages, so I can't really comment on that. Neither do I use styli, so I can't help you out on that one either, sorry.
I've only had a few hours yesterday toying around with mine. However, here are my initial thoughts:
Screen is great, and although a bit morror-ish when displaying larger dark areas such as night scenes in movies, I find it less reflective than I feared from reviews.
No flex, give or bleed when pushing the screen, although I'm not pushing excessively as some people in this forum seem to do.
A bit sluggish when multitasking (ie installing apps or syncing Spotify while surfing at the same time) and I seem to get the "XXX stopped responding, would you like to close or wait?" message a lot. I'm guessing this is related to the IO issue as discussed in the Infinity thread.
I'm using Nova for the launch screen, and all is running very smooth. No jagged home screen transitions of any kind.
The tablet turns quite hot while gaming at at max performance with IPS+ turned on, resulting in sweaty palms.
As mentioned by most others the speaker grill placement is puzzling at best. Placing both right/left speakers on one side totally ruins the audio balance, reducing the device to mono audio output. Headset is an absolute must imo.
There's really only one thing that bugs me, and that is sporadic lack of screen precision. It doesn't always register my taps, and it seems to confuse slides/scrolls with taps. Ie, when scrolling a list of apps it may suddenly interpret the release (lifting my finger) as a tap and open the app that I happened to point at when releasing. My Galaxy Note is also running ICS 4.0.3, and the tap-scroll-release issue is not a problem there, so I don't think it's my fingers being too "non-conductive" or the OS version. Still, it doesn't happen too often, and with a bit of determination when scrolling it's all good. No where near a deal breaker.
As I said, I have only had a short time with this tablet, but so far the Infinity seem to be everything I had hoped for in a tablet!
Its just as snappy but, when I play dead trigger the controls lag on highest setting, and If I put it on high the controls are still laggy, the framerate is decent but when I play on my nexus the control are much snappier, but the frame rate is about the the same , I don't know how the prime runs it, but I know that dead trigger is optimized for 1920x1200, .... shadow gun thd does run better than on the prime
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terjeofnorway said:
I've only had a few hours yesterday toying around with mine. However, here are my initial thoughts:
Screen is great, and although a bit morror-ish when displaying larger dark areas such as night scenes in movies, I find it less reflective than I feared from reviews.
No flex, give or bleed when pushing the screen, although I'm not pushing excessively as some people in this forum seem to do.
A bit sluggish when multitasking (ie installing apps or syncing Spotify while surfing at the same time) and I seem to get the "XXX stopped responding, would you like to close or wait?" message a lot. I'm guessing this is related to the IO issue as discussed in the Infinity thread.
I'm using Nova for the launch screen, and all is running very smooth. No jagged home screen transitions of any kind.
The tablet turns quite hot while gaming at at max performance with IPS+ turned on, resulting in sweaty palms.
As mentioned by most others the speaker grill placement is puzzling at best. Placing both right/left speakers on one side totally ruins the audio balance, reducing the device to mono audio output. Headset is an absolute must imo.
There's really only one thing that bugs me, and that is sporadic lack of screen precision. It doesn't always register my taps, and it seems to confuse slides/scrolls with taps. Ie, when scrolling a list of apps it may suddenly interpret the release (lifting my finger) as a tap and open the app that I happened to point at when releasing. My Galaxy Note is also running ICS 4.0.3, and the tap-scroll-release issue is not a problem there, so I don't think it's my fingers being too "non-conductive" or the OS version. Still, it doesn't happen too often, and with a bit of determination when scrolling it's all good. No where near a deal breaker.
As I said, I have only had a short time with this tablet, but so far the Infinity seem to be everything I had hoped for in a tablet!
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Indeed, the one major issue I encounter is the sometimes abysmal I/O throughput, resulting in lag (and, when transferring large files to (Micro)SD, the device hangs completely for a few seconds every 70 MB or so). I am a PC gamer, and do not currently use the Infinity to game on, but I have actually bought Dead Trigger and ShadowGun just ti try them out. When I have a bit more time, I'll give them a whirl. The TF does not run hot for me with high screen brightness when watching movies or documentaries and the likes, so it would be an issue with the Tegra3 running hot when actively rendering.
The scrolling here is fine, but it does miss a tap every now and then -- I'm under the impression that it has to do with the I/O issue mentioned above, however, and that it does not have anything to do with the screen itself (The Gorilla Glass version used here (v2) is thinner than the previous iteration, so the sensitivity should be better than with, say, the Prime, if anything.) But, obviously, that is just my feeling.
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Its just as snappy but, when I play dead trigger the controls lag on highest setting, and If I put it on high the controls are still laggy, the framerate is decent but when I play on my nexus the control are much snappier, but the frame rate is about the the same , I don't know how the prime runs it, but I know that dead trigger is optimized for 1920x1200, .... shadow gun thd does run better than on the prime
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Oh good, the sets my worries of the high density screen negatively impacting the performance of the tablet to rest.
Its kinda sad to hear that the sensitivity has not improved much though... perhaps asus "or ROM chiefs" will be able to improve it in updates.
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Added some performance related videos to the first post.
What I'm getting is that most of these issues seem software related. So a quick bug fix when everyone is reporting these issues to Asus and we'll be on our merry way. But otherwise, this sounds like a great device....I don't plan on doing a lot of gaming on it, but I'll try out some Shadowgun or something...I'll probably just end up plugging in an Xbox controller if I want to play anything...I still don't enjoy playing games with a touchscreen. And playing some old N64 games will be awesome on this beast. Anyone tried playing emulators with an IME for Xbox, PS3, or Wii controllers yet? That's a good way to see performance...see if it can run Super Smash Bros well lol.
hi guys
I also noticed the lags when you install apps or copy files to the infinity. not even my old galaxy tab had those issues. and that was a single core!
the overall performance is not good and I don't feel the 4 cores at any point.
I also noticed, that asus uses a 2.xxx kernel with ICS instead of a current 3.xxx kernel.
I sent a mail to asus customer service and I encourage you to do the same so that this issue gets fixed asap.
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What I'm getting is that most of these issues seem software related. So a quick bug fix when everyone is reporting these issues to Asus and we'll be on our merry way. But otherwise, this sounds like a great device....I don't plan on doing a lot of gaming on it, but I'll try out some Shadowgun or something...I'll probably just end up plugging in an Xbox controller if I want to play anything...I still don't enjoy playing games with a touchscreen. And playing some old N64 games will be awesome on this beast. Anyone tried playing emulators with an IME for Xbox, PS3, or Wii controllers yet? That's a good way to see performance...see if it can run Super Smash Bros well lol.
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Thats exactly what I probably will be doing to. XD
I mean all I used to do with my ipad was web surfing, check email, slight doodling, and light gaming. But I despise using a touch screen to game, especially if the game requires the use of a virtual analog stick.
From what I can tell the controller support is pretty good, just about any usb xbox or ps3 controller will work with most apps. Plus with android I get emulators out of the box.

Top hardware but lots of stuttering: do we deserve better?

OK, I bought an Android Tablet. Although the iPads probably are better for the average user, that's not the case for me: I'm a developer, a tweaker. I want to root stuff, to play with widgets, customisations, and so on. That's why I feel more related to Google than to Apple.
So I went for an Android tablet. I did not want a cheap, slow, outdated one like the ones you can buy at the supermarket for no money.
I was going for quality, so I bought an Asus Infinity. The tablet with the fastest hardware you can get. Splendid HD screen. Nice hardware keyboard included. This should be a top buy!
I have the tablet for some days now, and yes, the hardware is quite good. Decent aluminium unibody, although the color is not my style and the shiny metal catches all finger prints. The 1920 x 1200 display is really outstanding. No complaints here.
But where it goes wrong is the software ...
Android ICS, with minor tweaks by Asus, looks ok. But the OS and apps don't run smooth at all...
Apps run slugish or even freeze for seconds. Even keyboard input hangs sometimes. The stock browser and the Google Chrome browser can render basic sites quite well, but more advanced stuff like animations and video is just bad.
I compared with an iPad 1 and the iPad almost always wins involving smoothness of scrolling and interacting with inline video. An iPad 1, more than 2 years old, is faster than the Android tablet with the fastest hardware available on tablets. That's just ... sad. Very disapointing.
Another problem is the fact that no sites are well tested on Android, resulting in quirks that probably are solved on iOS because every decent site developer does test on his iPhone and iPad. But not on the huge number of Android devices out there. And being a developer myself, I know by experience that each device can have its own quirks.
A good example is wrong platform detection, resulting in bad user experience at the best, lack of features, or even no content at all at worst. 'You need to install Flash to run this site' ... Ok, Android can run Flash, but its days are over, as we all know.
So, what's up next?
Shall I make use of the 'cooling down period' and return this tablet? Exchange it for an iPad3? Will Jelly Bean solve some issues? Will these problems be solved by a system update? Will future sites be rendered better when html standards are used more often and Android browsers improve?
That’s a lot of if’s, no?
Apps running slow:
-stock browser
-Chrome
-Dolphin browser: better than the above, but css3 transformations/animations still very bad compared to iOS
-Google plus: scrolling the items is really bad
-Pulse: swiping between pages of an open article is slow and stutters
-Google Earth: slow and even crashes
Apps running ok:
-gmail: smooth
-currents: rather ok, sometimes
-Plume: ok
-Google maps: smooth
I guess, the situation will improve over time. But when will that be? If ever?
Did I expect too much? Am I exaggerating?
Your thoughts please!
My thoughts are that you cannot compare ipad and Android. Everyone keeps saying how smooth is ipad but everyone seems blind to all of the things iPad cannot do and Android (especially the Infinity) does.
I will not make an extensive list but just mentioning browsing the Web, half the websites are gone with iPad: no flash support and even the supposely replacement html5 renders quite poor on iPad. Check the html5rocks slides for instance.
If you are not sensible to that, get an iPad and you will be stuck but happy. Otherwise, open up and discover what Android had to offer.
the change log for jelly bean are out.check them out, that brings quite some news and fixes.
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chevdor said:
My thoughts are that you cannot compare ipad and Android. Everyone keeps saying how smooth is ipad but everyone seems blind to all of the things iPad cannot do and Android (especially the Infinity) does.
I will not make an extensive list but just mentioning browsing the Web, half the websites are gone with iPad: no flash support and even the supposely replacement html5 renders quite poor on iPad. Check the html5rocks slides for instance.
If you are not sensible to that, get an iPad and you will be stuck but happy. Otherwise, open up and discover what Android had to offer.
the change log for jelly bean are out.check them out, that brings quite some news and fixes.
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Don't get me wrong, I am very aware of the benefits of Android. That's why I bought an Infinity ;-)
But I have a strong feeling that surfing the web is just a better experience on an iPad ... and surfing is a primary task for me and most of us.
Dolphin HD works the best, but still regular freezes of seconds. I guess this should be better with the outstanding hardware of the infinity, no?
Tnx for your response.
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I guess, the situation will improve over time. But when will that be? If ever?
Did I expect too much? Am I exaggerating?
Your thoughts please!
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I know this is not the ideal answer regarding a device you just paid top dollar for but: it may have some software issues but it also has highly capable hardware. Thankfully, there will be many great developers paying attention to this device. Either via official updates or through the combined efforts of the community (or both), I expect most of the issues will be worked out. At the very least, the updates Jelly Bean brings address the lagging and stuttering on Android, and this device will most likely get it soon enough. You can rest assured knowing this is one of the best Android 10-inchers out there and with the proper support it can only get better.
I have only had android tablets up to this point.
I have had the Asus Tf101 and 201. I always found something laggy, or apps crash, etc. Even putting custom ROMS on them caused them to have unique issues based off of whatever ROM I put on it. SO I was constantly re flashing to the new ROM, hoping it fixes the issues and doesn't cause additional issues.
I spent more time flashing, than just using them. What fun is that?
So after I heard all the weird Asus Infinity issues, I canceled my Asus order. I ordered an Ipad 3. Should have it thursday of next week.
But I am using the Ipad 1 that is a work tablet, and it just works. No crashes, no weird little issues.
I am sold. I can't believe I hated the Ipads so much.
One negative to the Ipads though, that I will miss. And that are the widgets and live wallpapers. Other than that, Ill kepp my android phone, but the tab will be an Ipad.
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I have only had android tablets up to this point.
I have had the Asus Tf101 and 201. I always found something laggy, or apps crash, etc. Even putting custom ROMS on them caused them to have unique issues based off of whatever ROM I put on it. SO I was constantly re flashing to the new ROM, hoping it fixes the issues and doesn't cause additional issues.
I spent more time flashing, than just using them. What fun is that?
So after I heard all the weird Asus Infinity issues, I canceled my Asus order. I ordered an Ipad 3. Should have it thursday of next week.
But I am using the Ipad 1 that is a work tablet, and it just works. No crashes, no weird little issues.
I am sold. I can't believe I hated the Ipads so much.
One negative to the Ipads though, that I will miss. And that are the widgets and live wallpapers. Other than that, Ill kepp my android phone, but the tab will be an Ipad.
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I had been considering getting a new iPad rather than waiting for Android to get the tablet basics right; however, the main reason why I haven't is my dislike for Apple's motto of litigation over innovation. So I will give Android tabs another chance and get the Infinity. There will definitely be another *new* iPad and this will certainly not be my last tablet. Hopefully Jelly Bean will improve the whole experience. If it gets it and I love it, then great. Otherwise, I am sure I will be able to sell it for a decent price.
I see what you mean. I figure when you can get a tab with Jelly Bean, I hope that android tabs will work better. I hope so. Android is open source and great things go on with newly developed ROMS.
I just can't handle all of the crap wrong and all of the constant issues having to be fixed. For awhile, Ill use the Ipad 3 and wait until android really kick ass. Unless the new MS Tablet is even better.
Android will never compete with UI experience in comparision to Apple unless they change the underlying system.
Apple gives all power to the UI first which results in a smooth experience. But that will also cost power for background tasks. So while you can smoothly scroll your pages in a PDF suddenly it takes ages to load a page, I have seen it.
Android is balanced. So you might see stuttering while scrolling through PDF's but pages will load a lot faster.
That as an example.
It is up to you what system you prefer.
There is a detailed blog post by some google dev somewhere, couldn't find it, sorry.
Jelly bean will definetly smooth out anything having to do with touch response such as scrolling and pinch zooming. That is if it does what its supposed too.
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My suggestion is to go try out a Nexus 7 and see how smooth it is. The Infinity will be very similar to that once it's updated to Jelly Bean.
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My suggestion is to go try out a Nexus 7 and see how smooth it is. The Infinity will be very similar to that once it's updated to Jelly Bean.
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This is only our wishful thinking, not a fact yet.
I don't see iPad outperforming Infinity in real life performance however, apart from lags when copying large amounts of data (I can't seem to notice iPad 2 being better for browsing, tried it with iPad 2 today - and remember that on the Infinity it is 1920x1200; iPad 3 with a somewhat better resolution has been reported to become burning hot btw).
What bothers me is not the issues with Android, but the shortcuts and crappy manufacturing that seems to plague the category. Asus, for example, comes out with innovative stuff but seems to chronically release devices before they're ready. Samsung came out with a solid, if uninspiring, 10 inch tablet last year, but the new one has been getting reviews that say it's inferior to the previous model. The Nexus 7 is finally rolling out, but with reports of sloppy build -- Asus strikes again? The Acer has decent specs on paper but doesn't make the target in terms of real-life operation.
I hate Apple with a fire deep in my belly. But, most of the time (iPhone 4 antenna excepted), when they release a mobile product, it's ready to roll -- functionally and aesthetically. Much higher initially quality than the Android products I've had or shopped.
Seriously, how fooking hard can it be to put together a decent feature set and build it properly?
I see your point. There have been numerous bugs in every single iPhone version however. My friend who was apple-lover has returned 80% of their devices in the recent years - from iPad 2, through MacBook Air to LCD.
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It lags due to the weak Tegra 3 GPU not able to run at full 60fps for the 1920x1200p.
Heck it even lags on 1280x800 sometimes. Even with Jelly Bean, it will still have hiccups due to the GPU limitation.
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It lags due to the weak Tegra 3 GPU not able to run at full 60fps for the 1920x1200p.
Heck it even lags on 1280x800 sometimes. Even with Jelly Bean, it will still have hiccups due to the GPU limitation.
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You say this, yet the Tegra 3 used in the Nexus 7 isn't as good as the one in the Infinity. The GPU is plenty capable, as it's buttery smooth in Jelly Bean. There is no GPU limitation, it's software at the moment.
So here is my quick background.
I have been a huge fan of tablet. I started out with Windows based tablet back when it was Windows XP that was like 7-8 years ago. Then I moved onto very first android tablet Xoom. Switched to Samsung Galaxy 10.1. Due to specific application only available on Ipad, I had to go with Ipad so I bought iPad 2 and sold Galaxy 10.1, which I still have. I then got Galaxy 10.1 4G Verizon back, which I sold in anticipation of Transformer infinity..
So with that, here is my take on iOS vs. Android.
"Really depends on what you do."
Stability/Fluidity: iOS
It is indeed the fact iPad runs smoother. Though there are some test showed higher stability rate of Android over the iOS, my personal experience goes along with crowd i.e. iOS is more stable. BUT I have not tried ICS (nor New iPad).
Also there is another catch here. iPad is not fail safe. It does still crush and if it crush, it crushes constantly i.e. simply cannot open the file or perform the action.
Multitasking: Android
As someone else suggested earlier in this forum, this is probably due to difference in the underlying focus/design motto between iOS and Android. iOS DOES NOT do real multitasking. I know some say it does, but it's not true for at least the current iOS version and with my iPad 2.
It basically freezes/hibernate the background application. I tried to download files in background several times, or have some application load files into, which usually takes several minutes as it tries to decompress or do whatever it needs to. So after launching these tasks, I go surf web with different browser or application. I go back there is nearly zero progression. There may be minimal multitasking as I have seen progression of downloading file for like 1MB after 10 minutes but this happened more like within the initial few minutes or seconds and since then it had to be frozen in background because I did check this after 2 minutes and still the progression were the same.
Alternatively, needless to say but Android allows you to download files in background but sounds like transformer line suffers from hanging when this happens. I never used torrent on tablet but I remember downloading some files like 100MB+ on web in background while I was using some other application, which usually worked no problem but my foreground application was not demanding.
Applications: Mixed
This is where it really comes down to what you want. Many says Apple store is better, which I agree with games. So if games are your priority, I go with iPAD. It may change in the future, but by the time it changes basically you can buy newer better tablet anyways. So for now for games, go with iPad. But personally, if truly want to play games, I'd rather by portable gaming system like 3DS or PS Vita... But that's just me. Apple store certainly have more selections, and better optimized for iPad. However, many of iPad applications are not free and no real trial. So you have to sort of buy and see.
Whereas, android has tons of applications that are free with ad. This may be one reason why app developers are not making much money on Android market hence avoiding or deprioritizing... who knows. But some applications are simply better on Android. For instance, I use Anki which is perhaps the best cross platform flashcard application. If you want to have the real version of Anki on iPad it costs $20+. You can sort of do a work around with cheaper $5 application but you won't get autosynch of decks, no statistics transfer etc. Whereas on Android.... It's FREE and does autosynch. Other application is ebook reader like epub and pdf. When comparing iPad applications to the Android at least iPad 2 vs. Galaxy 10.1, large files like 300+MB epubs opened much quicker on Galaxy 10.1. Not sure if this is due to pure CPU advantage vs. application difference.
Notifications: Android
Sort of fits into the multitasking but iOS notification is less invasive (using good term), less evident (more of cons for me). When I get new email, Android nicely shows pop up on the corner. In IOS, I generally have no clue until I close my application and check my email. Though notification works with iMessage so may be its just Apple deciding who gets what access to the notification.
File Transfer/Management: Android
Huge downside of Apple. In last 6 months or so, they have added wifi file transfer/synching but this happens only when you have your iPad plugged into outlet.
Individual applications may decide to offer wifi file transfer, but generally slow and its individual application based.
Files are local to each application so very easy to have duplicated files consuming your hard drive space. For instance, if you have a book in iBook, opening it in other EPUB reader you simply have to make a duplicate copy within the other application.
Android is basically simply drag and drop and generally most files can be open from any application anywhere though some does make its own local copy. As far as transfer, AirDroid is such an awesome application.
Jellybean:
The theme of this is amazing. The functionality is not ground breaking but Google finally decides to put emphasis on the UI fluidity. So if it achieves what its intended, I think overall Android simply becomes better ecosystem as it already offers more functionality and flexibility but the major drawback/downside was the UI fluidity. Though as far as application stability, I am not sure if Jellybean is answering that part as I never read anywhere specifically stating such. In any event, ASUS generally so fast in pushing the latest version of Android, I would personally wait until Jelly bean comes out and see if it truly solves the issues. Its definitely a possibility but no gurantee so buying something based on the speculation may not be an optimum unless you got tons of money to spare.
Nexus 7:
Just like Jellybean. This is simple speculation, and probably we should not buy a system based on "what will likely to happen" because there is no guarantee. But I am speculating/hoping when Nexus 7 sells well, which probably does. Developers will have much better support on tablets. Even though Nexus 7 is 7 inch tablet, its resolution is compatible to non-high def android tablet i.e. in theory all the nexus 7 optimized applications will look native on the non-high def android tablet though button layouts may be slightly suboptimal. This is definitely much better than scaling phone app onto the tablet resolution.
I also 'hope' that ASUS gets their act together and resolves the IO issue and lag, or that JB really does the trick. But care should be taken I'm afraid: I'm sure there were many Transformer Primer users who went ahead and purchased 'hoping' the GPS issue was software resolvable; they weren't, it was terminal, and GPS was removed form the official specs. ASUS has a track record.
Lets face it, the camera click issue on 'press to focus' is a hardware design fault (they have not insulated the microphone/s from the focus mechanism). Hard to see how that will ever be solved. It is not an issue that will bother many but what is significant is that it is a sloppy, muppet mistake like the GPS issues on the Transformer Primer that could have been easily avoided - a mistake that camera manufacturers like Casio were making 10 years ago on early digital cameras (I know, I had one). That's just not good enough ASUS.
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I also 'hope' that ASUS gets their act together and resolves the IO issue and lag, or that JB really does the trick. But care should be taken I'm afraid: I'm sure there were many Transformer Primer users who went ahead and purchased 'hoping' the GPS issue was software resolvable; they weren't, it was terminal, and GPS was removed form the official specs. ASUS has a track record.
Lets face it, the camera click issue on 'press to focus' is a hardware design fault (they have not insulated the microphone/s from the focus mechanism). Hard to see how that will ever be solved. It is not an issue that will bother many but what is significant is that it is a sloppy, muppet mistake like the GPS issues on the Transformer Primer that could have been easily avoided - a mistake that camera manufacturers like Casio were making 10 years ago on early digital cameras (I know, I had one). That's just not good enough ASUS.
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Good job copying and pasting from your other thread.
The I/O issue isn't hardware related from what I can tell. It really just seems like something that just needs to be resolved in the kernel.
robhorsefield said:
I also 'hope' that ASUS gets their act together and resolves the IO issue and lag, or that JB really does the trick. But care should be taken I'm afraid: I'm sure there were many Transformer Primer users who went ahead and purchased 'hoping' the GPS issue was software resolvable; they weren't, it was terminal, and GPS was removed form the official specs. ASUS has a track record.
Lets face it, the camera click issue on 'press to focus' is a hardware design fault (they have not insulated the microphone/s from the focus mechanism). Hard to see how that will ever be solved. It is not an issue that will bother many but what is significant is that it is a sloppy, muppet mistake like the GPS issues on the Transformer Primer that could have been easily avoided - a mistake that camera manufacturers like Casio were making 10 years ago on early digital cameras (I know, I had one). That's just not good enough ASUS.
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ASUS has problems with attention to detail. Failing to notice these issues is completely indicative of poor engineering and lacking quality control. Users have been identifying problems right away. I can deal with minor software discrepancies; those can eventually be solved. However, basic hardware problems like these are alarming. On their own they might seem minor, but compounded (camera, I/O, screen ripples, SD card support, ...) I wonder if ASUS just took a bunch of hardware components, fit them together like a puzzle, and then sat on it for months without testing waiting for release. This device is coming half a year after it was announced. These issues could have been corrected.
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Good job copying and pasting from your other thread.
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It wasn't exactly the same. ...same poor design and manufacture problems, so same opinions and comments apply, sorry, fact.
cipherbreak said:
ASUS has problems with attention to detail. Failing to notice these issues is completely indicative of poor engineering and lacking quality control. Users have been identifying problems right away. I can deal with minor software discrepancies; those can eventually be solved. However, basic hardware problems like these are alarming. On their own they might seem minor, but compounded (camera, I/O, screen ripples, SD card support, ...)
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Bang on the point, thanks. And compounded also with the Prime GPS debacle.
I doubt Apple will let another Antenna-gate slip out, we'll see.

Yet another high score review - By Neowin

Despite all the issues raised/listed here (including myself..), Infinity still remains the best Android Tablet at least by review sites. Here is another 9/10 score review, just released yesterday.
http://www.neowin.net/news/review-asus-transformer-pad-infinity-tf700t
Very detailed review.
I am posting this so for those who feel like seeing too many negative posts, and doubting the infinity, there are certainly lots of positives on this unit. There are other tablets out there including Galaxy Note 10.1 and iPad series. They all have pros and cons.
My take is simply depends on your use, and with so many reviews giving such high score on infinity simply speaks average people would enjoy infinity over any other Android tablet on the market right now.
For me, Galaxy Note 10.1 was the biggest contender (and owned for three weeks). I ended up choosing/returning back to Infinity because Full HD is such a huge component and something I appreciate every second use (browsing web, reading ebooks, watching lecture videos). In return, I don't get as perfect stability as Galaxy Note but ANR/FC every other day is something I can tolerate. Extra 10 seconds of heavy Flash site loading I can waste. And unfortunately I can't write as fast as I type.
I agree, now that we have so many choices there never really is one great one that is good for everyone. Each person needs to start doing some of their own thinking and choose what works best for them. This is probably why we see the isheep being so driven to CrApple products because they can't make their own decisions they would rather have CrApple do it for them. So they buy whatever they put out not realizing maybe something else cheaper is a better fit for what they need. This is my late night epiphony.
HoushaSen said:
unfortunately I can't write as fast as I type.
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The only thing I miss about the infinity is the FHD.. But Id rather have a stable machine, so it was a sacrifice I was willing to take. Bluetooth connection works so I can connect to my phone and have internet, no light bleeds, no lag on apps, class 10 micro sd 64 gb in Exfat is read, speakers are awesome. The Spen is pretty awesome, I take notes and I use the handwriting feature that gets translated to font and it keeps up with me even while writing fast and my handwriting gets sloppy. The best thing is my sloppy writing is translated into fonts and when I can easily switch back and draw figures,pictures, or diagram while note taking, the infinity cant compete with that. At this point Im happy with the note.. but I do have almost 2 months to test this beast out and see if the infinity if able to iron out its quirks with the JB update if it ever arrives within my return window..
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The only thing I miss about the infinity is the FHD.. But Id rather have a stable machine, so it was a sacrifice I was willing to take. Bluetooth connection works so I can connect to my phone and have internet, no light bleeds, no lag on apps, class 10 micro sd 64 gb in Exfat is read, speakers are awesome. The Spen is pretty awesome, I take notes and I use the handwriting feature that gets translated to font and it keeps up with me even while writing fast and my handwriting gets sloppy. The best thing is my sloppy writing is translated into fonts and when I can easily switch back and draw figures,pictures, or diagram while note taking, the infinity cant compete with that. At this point Im happy with the note.. but I do have almost 2 months to test this beast out and see if the infinity if able to iron out its quirks with the JB update if it ever arrives within my return window..
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The new JB builds in the Dev section literally make my infinity fly
With all the fancy specs, but in reality, the Infinity is a disappointment product OUT OF THE BOX. It's not worth $600 due to many issues, including user experiences and things that are not working properly. Hopefully the Jelly Bean could bring its life back to standard.
junrider said:
The only thing I miss about the infinity is the FHD.. But Id rather have a stable machine, so it was a sacrifice I was willing to take. Bluetooth connection works so I can connect to my phone and have internet, no light bleeds, no lag on apps, class 10 micro sd 64 gb in Exfat is read, speakers are awesome. The Spen is pretty awesome, I take notes and I use the handwriting feature that gets translated to font and it keeps up with me even while writing fast and my handwriting gets sloppy. The best thing is my sloppy writing is translated into fonts and when I can easily switch back and draw figures,pictures, or diagram while note taking, the infinity cant compete with that. At this point Im happy with the note.. but I do have almost 2 months to test this beast out and see if the infinity if able to iron out its quirks with the JB update if it ever arrives within my return window..
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Why are you turning this in to yet ANOTHER 10.1 vs Infinity thread? There are enough of those about already.
On topic - Nice balanced review with plenty of pictures and details. In the month I've had my Infinity I haven't had any ANRs and the only app that crashes is Skype which I really can't explain, very random. Still very pleased with my purchase and looking forward to JB!
Dub Tech said:
Why are you turning this in to yet ANOTHER 10.1 vs Infinity thread? There are enough of those about already.
On topic - Nice balanced review with plenty of pictures and details. In the month I've had my Infinity I haven't had any ANRs and the only app that crashes is Skype which I really can't explain, very random. Still very pleased with my purchase and looking forward to JB!
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Surprisingly (in good sense), I have noticed this unit (third one) is much stable. I haven't seen ANR since firmware reset, which I had to do since suddenly I could no longer update/install some applications from the Google Play. I had one stock browser sudden close but this happened even on Galaxy Note.
I wonder if at all this time I had two defective units, or simply turning off the bloatware was the magic needed.
In any event, I can now say I love Infinity.

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