2012 is shaping up to be a good year for Android smartphones, especially in terms of making the jump from dual core devices to quad core architecture. With the release of the HTC One S, the HTC One X, Samsungs Galaxy Nexus (and Note), and the soon to be released Samsung Galaxy S3, consumers will (do) have a lot of options when it comes to purchasing a high end Android device. HTC made the biggest noise with their One line this year at Mobile World Congress, and while demand for the devices is there, not only has their release gotten off to a rocky start in terms of problems, but HTC as a company is reporting all time low profits and revenues. Sony also released their new Xperia line, which are not bad devices specwise, but don't seem to be generating that much consumer buzz.. Same goes for the LG Optimus True HD, as spec-wise it's certainly not a bad phone, but unfortunately consumer interest in the device doesn't seem to be that high.
Samsung, on the other hand, is not only having record sales for the Samsung Galaxy S2, but are selling a solid amount of Notes (over 5 million) Galaxy Nexus phones, and have a very good chance of setting record numbers again when the Galaxy S3 hits the market on May 3rd in London. With HTC, Sony, and LG struggling to gain traction in the smartphone market, Samsung continues to prosper. But the question is why? Why are Samsung winning the game that everyone else seems to be losing?
Is it the hardware/design?
In terms of specs, the Galaxy S2, Galaxy Nexus, and Galaxy Note certainly aren't the only devices packing such hardware. In many ways, the newly released (in Europe anyway) HTC One S packs more raw CPU power and camera muscle than all of these devices, and its 8MP camera is one of the best we've ever seen. The HTC Sensation, which came out last year, also had some good specs as well, sporting an 8MP camera and a dual core 1.2ghz processor. The soon to be released LG Optimus True HD is also packing a 1.5ghz processor, an HD display, a gig of RAM, and an 8MP camera as well. So why is the hype for the first quad core phone, the HTC One X, not nearly as high as it is for the Galaxy S3? Why did the HTC Sensation not move 20 or 30 million units like the Galaxy S2? The newest Motorola Razr packed a 1.2 ghz processor, Super Amoled 4.3 display, and an 8MP camera as well. The point I'm trying to make/ask is why are phones with similiar specs not doing nearly as well as the Galaxy S2?
Was it a design thing? I don't think so. In all honestly, I preferred the solid feel of HTC phones over Samsungs more plasticy feel, especially when holding the Galaxy S2 in one hand and the Sensation in the other. If I had to pick an Android skin (which I don't, since I'm always rooted), I would have also picked Sense ANY DAY over Touchwiz. HTC had a lot going for it with the Sensation and Sensation XE, and LG, Sony, and Motorola all had pretty solid designs on their phones with similiar specs as well. So again....why did Samsung have success where others didn't?
Agressive + STYLISH marketing = WIN
I have a few theories. For starters, Samsung got a jump on the competition by releasing the Galaxy S2 back in February of 2011 at MWC. At the time, this was one of the only Android devices that rivaled the iPhone in power (it was actually a lot more powerful). HTC went on to release their dual core device 2 months later, but where HTC failed was in marketing their device. Samsung very aggresively marketed the Galaxy S2, and you can see from the sales numbers that the strategy more than succeeded. That's not to say that HTC didn't market their device at all, but the difference was the WAY Samsung marketed the device. I have honestly never seen an Android phone so aggresively marketed, and Samsung successfully created a STYLISH marketing campaign that you would normally only expect from Apple. The TV commercials were frequent, stylish, and aggressive, and most importantly, stuck in the minds of consumers. It was pretty hard walking around Berlin without seeing a poster of the device somewhere on every street corner, and pretty soon I saw people at the office showing it off.
There are so many ways to market a device, but when it comes to marketing to make a device stick in the minds of consumers, Apple has this down to a fine art. NOBODY markets better than Apple, and Samsung not only realized that, but successfully cloned that style. But when they did it, they tapered it to their own product and their own needs in a way that made it seem a "cool“ must have device.
Some OEM's had too many/ few devices for any to stand out
I'm really hard on HTC, and that's because I have a lot of respect for them. They have made some AMAZING Android devices, and I was the happy owner of a G1, a Nexus One, and Sensation for a long time. In all honesty, I thought that they would become THE Android manufacturer with the biggest numbers. But HTC especially made a big boo boo by overflooding the market with too many devices. There was no way for the public to simply concentrate on one phone, as devices of all names, shapes, and sizes running more or less the same or similiar hardware kept continuously hitting the market. Sure, Samsung didn't have only 1 device either, but they concentrated their efforts on the Galaxy S and the Galaxy S2 primarily, and simply forced the public to notice it. HTC's strategy looked good on paper, as they thought by releasing mass quantities of low, mid, and high end smartphones that they would have all price ranges covered for consumers. But the problem is, it's easy to remember 1 or 2 devices. It's really hard to remember 10. Sometimes, less really is more. Other OEMS like Sony and LG however, had fewer devices, but didn't have enough consumer interest generated in them to become game changing phones.
I don't quite understand why wouldn't Google make Motorola their designated device manufacturer. I mean, since Google aquired Motorola there's really nothing stopping them from creating a line of devices that would be fully supported by Google itself. Or not a line, but just two: a smartphone and a tablet, thoroughly designed, tested and promoted. Software updates would surely be available faster than they are now for third party developers.
Great opening post
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Yeah, I also very respect HTC and will stick with it.
CreatioSoft said:
2012 is shaping up to be a good year for Android smartphones, especially in terms of making the jump from dual core devices to quad core architecture. With the release of the HTC One S, the HTC One X, Samsungs Galaxy Nexus (and Note), and the soon to be released Samsung Galaxy S3, consumers will (do) have a lot of options when it comes to purchasing a high end Android device. HTC made the biggest noise with their One line this year at Mobile World Congress, and while demand for the devices is there, not only has their release gotten off to a rocky start in terms of problems, but HTC as a company is reporting all time low profits and revenues. Sony also released their new Xperia line, which are not bad devices specwise, but don't seem to be generating that much consumer buzz.. Same goes for the LG Optimus True HD, as spec-wise it's certainly not a bad phone, but unfortunately consumer interest in the device doesn't seem to be that high.
Samsung, on the other hand, is not only having record sales for the Samsung Galaxy S2, but are selling a solid amount of Notes (over 5 million) Galaxy Nexus phones, and have a very good chance of setting record numbers again when the Galaxy S3 hits the market on May 3rd in London. With HTC, Sony, and LG struggling to gain traction in the smartphone market, Samsung continues to prosper. But the question is why? Why are Samsung winning the game that everyone else seems to be losing?
Is it the hardware/design?
In terms of specs, the Galaxy S2, Galaxy Nexus, and Galaxy Note certainly aren't the only devices packing such hardware. In many ways, the newly released (in Europe anyway) HTC One S packs more raw CPU power and camera muscle than all of these devices, and its 8MP camera is one of the best we've ever seen. The HTC Sensation, which came out last year, also had some good specs as well, sporting an 8MP camera and a dual core 1.2ghz processor. The soon to be released LG Optimus True HD is also packing a 1.5ghz processor, an HD display, a gig of RAM, and an 8MP camera as well. So why is the hype for the first quad core phone, the HTC One X, not nearly as high as it is for the Galaxy S3? Why did the HTC Sensation not move 20 or 30 million units like the Galaxy S2? The newest Motorola Razr packed a 1.2 ghz processor, Super Amoled 4.3 display, and an 8MP camera as well. The point I'm trying to make/ask is why are phones with similiar specs not doing nearly as well as the Galaxy S2?
Was it a design thing? I don't think so. In all honestly, I preferred the solid feel of HTC phones over Samsungs more plasticy feel, especially when holding the Galaxy S2 in one hand and the Sensation in the other. If I had to pick an Android skin (which I don't, since I'm always rooted), I would have also picked Sense ANY DAY over Touchwiz. HTC had a lot going for it with the Sensation and Sensation XE, and LG, Sony, and Motorola all had pretty solid designs on their phones with similiar specs as well. So again....why did Samsung have success where others didn't?
Agressive + STYLISH marketing = WIN
I have a few theories. For starters, Samsung got a jump on the competition by releasing the Galaxy S2 back in February of 2011 at MWC. At the time, this was one of the only Android devices that rivaled the iPhone in power (it was actually a lot more powerful). HTC went on to release their dual core device 2 months later, but where HTC failed was in marketing their device. Samsung very aggresively marketed the Galaxy S2, and you can see from the sales numbers that the strategy more than succeeded. That's not to say that HTC didn't market their device at all, but the difference was the WAY Samsung marketed the device. I have honestly never seen an Android phone so aggresively marketed, and Samsung successfully created a STYLISH marketing campaign that you would normally only expect from Apple. The TV commercials were frequent, stylish, and aggressive, and most importantly, stuck in the minds of consumers. It was pretty hard walking around Berlin without seeing a poster of the device somewhere on every street corner, and pretty soon I saw people at the office showing it off.
There are so many ways to market a device, but when it comes to marketing to make a device stick in the minds of consumers, Apple has this down to a fine art. NOBODY markets better than Apple, and Samsung not only realized that, but successfully cloned that style. But when they did it, they tapered it to their own product and their own needs in a way that made it seem a "cool“ must have device.
Some OEM's had too many/ few devices for any to stand out
I'm really hard on HTC, and that's because I have a lot of respect for them. They have made some AMAZING Android devices, and I was the happy owner of a G1, a Nexus One, and Sensation for a long time. In all honesty, I thought that they would become THE Android manufacturer with the biggest numbers. But HTC especially made a big boo boo by overflooding the market with too many devices. There was no way for the public to simply concentrate on one phone, as devices of all names, shapes, and sizes running more or less the same or similiar hardware kept continuously hitting the market. Sure, Samsung didn't have only 1 device either, but they concentrated their efforts on the Galaxy S and the Galaxy S2 primarily, and simply forced the public to notice it. HTC's strategy looked good on paper, as they thought by releasing mass quantities of low, mid, and high end smartphones that they would have all price ranges covered for consumers. But the problem is, it's easy to remember 1 or 2 devices. It's really hard to remember 10. Sometimes, less really is more. Other OEMS like Sony and LG however, had fewer devices, but didn't have enough consumer interest generated in them to become game changing phones.
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maybe samsung phone is just much better than the rest of the makers on the market?
HTC sensation one ****ty as phone compared even to my galaxy s1.
In my country:
Sony: Had a good start with the Walkman phones but the first xperia phones and the vivaz had many hardware issues like the usb ports falling off and waiting 2 months to fix them.
HTC: Marketing is poor, their phones are very expensive and not found everywhere.
Motorola: Bad reputation because their first the old RAZR phones were bad and we have 2 droids avalible: Milestone and Defy.
LG: Same reasons as motorola .
Samsung: Aggressive marketing, huge number of phones, cheaper than others, found everywhere, and finally we get the good phones, not the leftover Samsung is like Nokia now.
I thought about this just today. All my devices are samsung & that was not on purpose...
Might also have something to do with the fact that Samsung has been a trusted manufacturer in the tech industry ever since I can remember.
Their aggressive advertising campaigns, especially the stabs at apple, might also have something to do with it.
Their phones IMO are very aesthetically pleasing. Everyone buys big bulky cases that cover it anyway
Also their availability in the US is insane, you can get a galaxy phone in any size and at any price range on any carrier.
Most of their devices have a gigantic development community behind them too.
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Might also have something to do with the fact that Samsung has been a trusted manufacturer in the tech industry ever since I can remember.
Their aggressive advertising campaigns, especially the stabs at apple, might also have something to do with it.
Their phones IMO are very aesthetically pleasing. Everyone buys big bulky cases that cover it anyway
Also their availability in the US is insane, you can get a galaxy phone in any size and at any price range on any carrier.
Most of their devices have a gigantic development community behind them too.
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IMO, samsung simply dominates the market because they have the greatest hardware. Since the time I bought a samsung moment my first android phone they were ahead of HTC and Motorola was right next to samsung with the droid 1. They just had a great start
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I happened to answer a phone survey about 3 years ago asking me about who I think of when smart phone is mentioned. Apple was the obvious answer at that point in time, followed by motorolla. It became clear the survey was for Samsung as they started to inquire about what I knew about Samsung phones. Less than a year later the Galaxy S line came out. In 3 years if I answered the same survey Apple would be the first again but Samsung would be the second followed by HTC and Motorolla. In 3 years time it went from not even a thought in my mind to say Samsung to they would be either the first or second name to come to mind. Good marketing is good business.
I would not say a monopoly as that would mean there is no competition. Htc and Motorolla exist. HTC I feel is stuck in the mud and have not moved forward in a while including the One serries and sense 4.0. Motorolla has always come across to me as the phones apple fans point to when they say android sucks. Never picked up a Motorolla phone I was impressed with (this is just my opinion). Sony and LG are real marginal in the US, I can not speak to elsewhere
It seems that Samsung is taking over the high-end android market with their Galaxy S phones, HTC is trying to move into that with the One phones but IMO samsung phones are still better
Samsung is a BIG company who is researching almost everything... They have money, people, knowledge and BRAND!!! Where was htc five years ago?...I remember that several phones which i bought was samsung because of their design from d500, d600, d900, u600 and that old phones,marketing and good memories told me that i need to buy sammy again. Personaly i see HTC and Samsung leading android manufactures
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And remember they are all here with one purpose : To take our money! Anything else... We wont get nothing from them..
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Got to love Samsung screens. They're amazing, and apparently some people like TouchWiz.
The only thing Samsung doesn't own yet is a grocery store,I think.
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And remember they are all here with one purpose : To take our money! Anything else... We wont get nothing from them..
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And remember, the one who takes the money is the one who remembers old customers and makes improvements so......Samsung at that point
I think the one x's design and slcd2 is more than enough to make up for its poorer performance than gs3(if there's any) sense is also very beautiful imo.
What htc needs now is build up the one brand. Samsung design phones that are too similar to iphone. Makes me feel cheap using it
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I think the one x's design and slcd2 is more than enough to make up for its poorer performance than gs3(if there's any) sense is also very beautiful imo.
What htc needs now is build up the one brand. Samsung design phones that are too similar to iphone. Makes me feel cheap using it
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Well you got some point there, but at the and specs are the engine for us to buy. I can admit that design is also a key.
" To argue about taste is always pointless" - Romans said it long ago.
Specs are competitive not design. And frankly i can't understand what guys meaning with "sexy" when they talk about phones
SGS2 has overall better benchmark results then a stock HTC sensation. But with similar ROMS, the user's experiance is hardly any difference. it's HTC design what keeps me from ever switching to Samsung.
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SGS2 has overall better benchmark results then a stock HTC sensation. But with similar ROMS, the user's experiance is hardly any difference. it's HTC design what keeps me from ever switching to Samsung.
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My dad has the Evo 3d and I'm amazed with how HTC has managed to just put too much crap into Sense, so that the appdrawer lags when scrolling through it.
I recommended ADW to my friend (who also has a Evo 3D) and the next day he said he was amazed by how fast and fluid it worked.
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Hi my question is:
Do you think that HTC will deliver another 'superphone' this year?
Thinking about Q4 2011? Maybe this phone will be better than the Samsung Galaxy SII ?
Maybe it will just be worth waiting!!
Because at the event in London when they presented the HTC Sensation they said more to come this year!!!!
Please leave your opinion here! Thankyou!
Dude relax!
The Sensation is already better than the SGS2, check the upgraded screen resolution...
I am already meditating haha
The point is: The specification is better in the Samsung Galaxy SII but the HTC sense UI is much more attractive and I own the HTC HD2, I really like the HTC's. To bad the specifications are not so good compaired with the SII.
HTC chose not to release the HTC Sensation at the conference in Barcelona this year but couple months later.
Maybe they will bring out the phone that can replace the HD2 ! Because the HTC HD2 was a real NO BRAINER... THE first with a 4.3 inch screen and the best phone for a full year, because the specs of new phones could not compete with the HTC HD2.
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Dude relax!
The Sensation is already better than the SGS2, check the upgraded screen resolution...
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Dude, open your eyes! You have just pointed out the only advantage the Sensation has over the SGS2... And all in all, the SGS2 still has the better screen
Dude on a 4.3'' screen it's very important to have this new resolution whatever you have super extra modular amoled plus beta
Both have dual core cpu
Both have 8mp, even dual led for Sensation
Sense 3.0 beat the hell out of touchwiz
I don't care if there are 2% more speed in games lol.
Now I just hope HTC will let us root it and that they upgraded the loudspeaker
Don't get me wrong, I used to be a huge fan of HTC. I currently happily own one. I just think they've lost their touch and are not "innovative" anymore.
Sense 3.0 versus TouchWiz 4.0 is a matter of taste and even though both have dual core CPU and 8MP cameras, Samsung's are significantly better.
The screen may have an improved resolution, but being a pentile matrix it doesn't really make it outstanding. Plus the fact that it's a wider format (16/9) which means less lines of text when reading a web page in landscape mode.
Also the Samsung should have a way better battery life (thanks to the lower consumption screen and CPU).
The dual band Wifi on the Samsung is an interesting point for me as I have dual band routers, and the 5GHz band is faster. The Sensation is single band Wifi, bummer.
Out of the box, there's 16Gb of storage on the Samsung versus 1Gb on the HTC. The Samsung includes all sorts of codecs for audio and video, including mkv. Hello HTC, are we in 2011?
HSPA+ is 21Mbps for the Samsung versus 14.4Mbps for the HTC.
USB host is nowhere to be found in the HTC, is supported by the Samsung.
Audio output quality will be presumably better in the Samsung (wolfson chip).
Should I go on? I have only listed the advantages that are really quantifiables, not just "okay it's 2% faster"...
Sorry dude, HTC is no longer the leader of high-end smartphones it used to be...
So you don't believe HTC will launch a super hot phone in Q4 2011?
I really hope so! Although my plan is finished in August. I am still breaking my head which phone to take? HTC Sensation or the Samsung Galaxy SII.
At this moment I am wondering if there is better to come this year, Worth waiting...
Or should I make a choice? Don't forget I am still owning a HD2 with Android NAND.
Can't wait for both to come to the market and then hear what people say about the phones!!!
Samsung Galaxy S II is already out in UK mate, you can check feedbacks at GSII forums. From what first owners says, it seems perfect really. It's almost fishy as it ticks all boxes.
I have pre-ordered it and will get my hands on it in a week or so, I'll also give the HTC Sensation a shot on may 12th as I'm due to an upgrade so I might give you some feedbacks then
Well apparently there will be a better super hot phone in 2011, according to Eldar Murtazin (Mobile Review) the Samsung Galaxy S III should be released in autumn and is the mother of all phones (iPhone5 competitor).
Don't expect anything but minor improvements/variants from HTC this year as compared to the Sensation.
So if you're not in a hurry, wait for the Galaxy S III. Otherwise just get the Galaxy S II now (it's released in UK and South Korea, other countries to follow shortly)
Thanks for the info. HTC should be the one to bring out the follow up phone for the HD2. They not really did that yet and they know that HD2 was a big succes. The HD Desire is still oldskool. The next generation phones are all with dual core!! I must say: I really hope HTC brings news about some asesome phone coming this Q4 2011.
I really believe in this.
Samsung Galaxy II is already great... can't see III coming soon.
HTC is letting me down at the moment, My girlfriend has the galaxy s, I still prefere HTC though... what to do?
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Don't get me wrong, I used to be a huge fan of HTC. I currently happily own one. I just think they've lost their touch and are not "innovative" anymore.
Sense 3.0 versus TouchWiz 4.0 is a matter of taste and even though both have dual core CPU and 8MP cameras, Samsung's are significantly better.
The screen may have an improved resolution, but being a pentile matrix it doesn't really make it outstanding. Plus the fact that it's a wider format (16/9) which means less lines of text when reading a web page in landscape mode.
Also the Samsung should have a way better battery life (thanks to the lower consumption screen and CPU).
The dual band Wifi on the Samsung is an interesting point for me as I have dual band routers, and the 5GHz band is faster. The Sensation is single band Wifi, bummer.
Out of the box, there's 16Gb of storage on the Samsung versus 1Gb on the HTC. The Samsung includes all sorts of codecs for audio and video, including mkv. Hello HTC, are we in 2011?
HSPA+ is 21Mbps for the Samsung versus 14.4Mbps for the HTC.
USB host is nowhere to be found in the HTC, is supported by the Samsung.
Audio output quality will be presumably better in the Samsung (wolfson chip).
Should I go on? I have only listed the advantages that are really quantifiables, not just "okay it's 2% faster"...
Sorry dude, HTC is no longer the leader of high-end smartphones it used to be...
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Yep......I couldn't have said that better myself
So I should forget about HTC and HTC SENSE...?
I think touchwizz 4.0 is not so cool as sense 3.0.
HTC is so good in simplicity. They bring their product and the phone is really made to suit you. See all the videos they made for HTC sensation!
HD2 is not a device like other, it's really a computer!
Do you know any phone that can dual boot wm7 and Android?
They could even put ios it wouldn't shock me
HD2 was originally dedicated for wm6.5 only, so if HTC want to launch an HD3 it will be officially for wm7.
I think you mean you want a replacement for the DHD
I want a super android phone!!!! But I don't think their will be better phones this year!
I still thinking, what should I do? My heart says buy the sensation but my brains say buy the SII.... So what to do?
well I think HTC "gave" us the phones for this year.. maybe in the end they will have something new, but what'll be better? maybe 1GB Ram and w/e.. I mean, even the heaviest games to Android dont really need 1GB to work really good.. just keep your phone clean and 768MB and great Sense will do the work.
Also in my opinion, the SGS II is ugly compared to HTC . (Some of the phones of HTC.. like the Desire and Sensation).
I agree for the design, the sgs2 is a pale copy of the old iphone while HTC have their own design and more specially I love the rubber feel at the back
The pro and the cons... between the 2: Samsung wins.
But I just have to wait to see what people say about those phones!
I think I would still go for the HTC Sensation, but if I don't like the design in real life well then it will be the SII.
Htc France did confirm that an Gsm version of the Evo 3d would be available but gave no dates. Hopefully it will arrive Q4! Fingers crossed
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The pro and the cons... between the 2: Samsung wins.
But I just have to wait to see what people say about those phones!
I think I would still go for the HTC Sensation, but if I don't like the design in real life well then it will be the SII.
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As I said earlier you can check feedback about GSII from now. For Sense UI it is better than touchwizz and if it is the only thing that makes you do a compromise when considering the GSII then well a little birdie told me that there may be a solution to fix that... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzhtziHD7IY (it is an alpha and it is already running smoother than any HTC to date because of the better hardware of the GS)
SII still beats the EVO 3D. So it suppose to be a new phone from HTC. I need a leak!! Hahaha somewhere it must be clear what kind of phone they will bring out in Q4 2011.
After Samsung sold 3 million S2s in just 55 days Apple should launch the iPhone 5 asap and bring parity back:
http://versusio.com/en/apple-iphone-5-32gb-vs-samsung-galaxy-s-ii-i9100
(iPhone 5 vs S2)
Do you think the iPhone 5 (and the 4s) will stop Android's triumphal march?
Imho the iPhone5-6-7-whatever will always be the best selling phone of the year, that's because of the quality of the product, the software support, the status symbol aspect of the tool and much more. Anyway i think nothing will stop android (nor slow it down, not even a bit) basically because apple has no products to offer to the mid and the low-end user, and those users happen to be the most part (and always will)...android is the absolute king of that side of the market right now.
main selling point is the status of an iphone (and the quailty of apps)
iphone will always be the best out there
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Will depend on the iPhone 5 specs. It needs at least a larger screen to compete with the S2.
I have recently switched my tablet from iPad 1 to Samsung 10.1. So far I'm not impressed by Android. Quite laggy and instable compared to the iPad (that I sold).
I don't know yet if I buy a S2, or at least wait to see the iPhone 5 (when ?)
iPhone 5 is not even announced yet.
This thread could as well have subject: Unicorns vs Galaxy S2.
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I like features and am a power users. But having been using Android Gingerbread and learning a lot about it in the last couple of weeks, I still think iPhone will maintain the best synergy of core features, developer support in software with it's herald hardware design and engineering.
Android is still lacking that final polish IMHO.
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iPhone 5 is not even announced yet.
This thread could as well have subject: Unicorns vs Galaxy S2.
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i preffer gs2...
unicorns make me puke rainbows...
I can't really say for sure just because there's been nothing about the iphone 5 except it'll be released on ATT and Verizon at the same time, and if that's really true then it might overtake android for a little bit.
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I like features and am a power users. But having been using Android Gingerbread and learning a lot about it in the last couple of weeks, I still think iPhone will maintain the best synergy of core features, developer support in software with it's herald hardware design and engineering.
Android is still lacking that final polish IMHO.
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I doubt Google is not capable of producing polished products if they really put resources towards it.
Don't compare apples and oranges. I have no idea why dual core android phones still get compared to a closed in single core outdated pos. Oooh!!! Galaxy s3 is out!! Let's compare it to the iphone!! ****ing brilliant.
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Perhaps, but I don't like iPhone
Yes the iPhone will beat it in sales. Look at us, we aren't the average consumers.
The average (American) consumer is obsessed with that little Apple logo. Do they give a damn about dual core processors and such? Nope. As long as it's Apple branded apparently it is the best because of all the advertising they do.
Heres a funny little video for you in your spare time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FL7yD-0pqZg
jailbroken iphone=stock galaxy s
The iPhone 5 will be release sometime in the fall (I've heard September-October) and the Galaxy S II was released not to long ago. However in the phone market it could be a entirely new generation of Android phones by then and due to the different companies making phones one is almost bound to beat the iPhone 5.
I also think that site is slightly biased toward iPhones...Just saying because they don't mention cons, and they use words such as "vastly better" to promote the iPhone.
the iPhone will get their usual customers more or less no matter what. A single branded phone could not beat the competition that HTC, Samsung, Lg, Motorola, and possibly a few more have built up.
Of course, you can quantify what you mean by "beat."
I believe Apple is still raking in all the money.
In market share or just that the iPhone makes more sales than any stand-a-lone Android device?
It will sell lot more, but I think that obviously sgs2 is better.
Android!
u guys seriously don't have a life ... predicting about products which are not yet released ... iphone vs android is getting on nerves. who gives a damn . just be happy with what u have!!!!!!!!!!
jags_the1 said:
u guys seriously don't have a life ... predicting about products which are not yet released ... iphone vs android is getting on nerves. who gives a damn . just be happy with what u have!!!!!!!!!!
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Then, don't read or skip the thread? "Seriously" these guys are happy talking to people who are obviously happy to discuss/predict this subject so, the question would be, if you don't like the subject, why are you here reading and commenting on them? ....... so, who doesn't have "a life"?
Hey all, I was just wondering what is the best all round phone available right now. In terms of features, performance, price and support. I wish to upgrade my HTC Desire and wish to get the opinions of users of other phones which is why I ask
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i was thinking the same 5 months ago, and i decided to buy xperia neo
it will get ics update in 2 months and it costed 200 euros sim free 1ghz processor and 8mpx camera, havnt founf game that lags on this phone
Well..my epic touch im using right now has 900 ram, a 1.2 processor that I normally underclock s to 1gh, it can be oc'dd to 1.8 ghz.. 1.6safely.. no problems. with this phone. at all. and it should be receiving ics soon
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My sis just bought the samsung skyrocket and im not sure of the price though but believe me it will be well worth it
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ok...i help you!!!!
if u need costly and great phone....go for htc sensation xe...
if u want mid range device....go for samsung galaxy ace!!!!...gud luck.
Galaxy s2. Fo show. But make sure you're getting the one with the exynos chipset, not the snapdragon.
you can choose GSS2 for android or perhaps Nokia Lumnia for w7.... it's your choice.
SGS2 is also good.
I think it greatly depends on how soon you want to change your phone. April - May is the time when a lot of the phone companies start rolling out their latest phones. If you are looking at last generation, I would say either the Sensation XE or the Galaxy SII. As far as i know, both of them have been upgraded to ICS.
HTC has a pretty good interface with their Sense, but it tends not to be very optimized, and it is common to suffer from an exceptionally short battery life (perhaps one day with minimal to moderate use).
On the other hand, the Galaxy SII is hardware wise quite a beast, and AMOLED screen is impressive. I have issues with the design of touchwiz and the physical button at the bottom of the phone annoys me. Other than that, it has quite the battery life, so it evens out.
looking at this gen, the HTC one x is very powerful, and is meant to be HTC's flagship phone, so i'm curious why no one mentioned it. besides that, Asus entered the market with the padfone, which seems to have potential, but we have to wait and see if it will be as good as they claim. last is the samsung galaxy SIII. my vote is to wait till samsung announces its new flagship phone (rumored to be 22 may), and then decide from there.
Since you are in xda developers, i'm assuming you are not very interested in the interface anyway so just go for the one with the best computing power, and best battery.
if you are going for wp7 phones, just wait for lumia 900. the 800 looks rather sad.
of course there's always the iphone 4s or the iphone 5 if you are willing to wait till september.
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I think it greatly depends on how soon you want to change your phone. April - May is the time when a lot of the phone companies start rolling out their latest phones. If you are looking at last generation, I would say either the Sensation XE or the Galaxy SII. As far as i know, both of them have been upgraded to ICS.
HTC has a pretty good interface with their Sense, but it tends not to be very optimized, and it is common to suffer from an exceptionally short battery life (perhaps one day with minimal to moderate use).
On the other hand, the Galaxy SII is hardware wise quite a beast, and AMOLED screen is impressive. I have issues with the design of touchwiz and the physical button at the bottom of the phone annoys me. Other than that, it has quite the battery life, so it evens out.
looking at this gen, the HTC one x is very powerful, and is meant to be HTC's flagship phone, so i'm curious why no one mentioned it. besides that, Asus entered the market with the padfone, which seems to have potential, but we have to wait and see if it will be as good as they claim. last is the samsung galaxy SIII. my vote is to wait till samsung announces its new flagship phone (rumored to be 22 may), and then decide from there.
Since you are in xda developers, i'm assuming you are not very interested in the interface anyway so just go for the one with the best computing power, and best battery.
if you are going for wp7 phones, just wait for lumia 900. the 800 looks rather sad.
of course there's always the iphone 4s or the iphone 5 if you are willing to wait till september.
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I was actually thinking about getting the Sensation XE or the Galazy S2. HTC devices seem to have a lack of battery life which is why I'm leaning more towards the S2. As for the new gen of phones the only one I am really interested in is the HTC One S. As much as I would like a quad core processor in my phone, it may be very battery consuming. Not interested in iOS or WP7 so that rules those phones out. Guess I will wait untill the One S is released to see the price of the phone in comparison to the S2
HTC One X, not quite out yet, but it is incredible.
Love the HTC Sensation XE <3
Skyrocket
I love my Galaxy 2II Skyrocket, fastest and best phone I've owned in years. Flashed sky ice to it and its absolutely unbeatable.
I have the Vibrant, I'm using an ICS ROM. 4.0.4.
I don't use my phone for a lot of web browsing, more or less social things and games. I'm sort of sore on flashing new ROM's though I LOVE exploring them all!
For people already using a Galaxy, what would be your pro's and con's?
I've looked into the phone and it sounds amazing, dual-core snapdragon, stock 4.0.4, it looks to be as big as the Galaxy s II and a nice AMOLED screen.
Has anyone used one of these guys yet? How do you like it? Does it live up to your expectations?
There are some fantastic new features. A colleague tried one for an hour last weekend and his questions to me was 'why can't we have these at work' we currently have S2's
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I really like the whole "Sharing" thing between Galaxy III's.
Did your work pay for the S2's? That's very nice of them!
I wasn't impressed enough (compared to my Vibrant.) to spend the extra money upgrading an S2, but the SIII really has my attention.
I'm contemplating it very hard. Through my carrier I think it's going to be $280 before extra fee's though..that's pricey especially since the first I paid $250 and received a $50 MIR. :/
Coming from a Vibrant..definitely should upgrade. If you had an S2 or something comparable, it wouldn't be worth it unless you could get a really good deal.
Thank you lowandbehold. I feel a tad better about my wants. I was hoping it wasn't just because it was new. The hardware upgrades them self already make my giddy/
Although the Galaxy III is a killer in terms of performance and software features, which make it highly desirable especially for people who have an old smartphone, you should also take the upcoming iPhone 5 into consideration.
Another phone worth checking out is the HTC one X. Although not superior in performance compared to the GIII, it has a lot of notable features and shoots photo's fast due to it's fast camera processor.
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Although the Galaxy III is a killer in terms of performance and software features, which make it highly desirable especially for people who have an old smartphone, you should also take the upcoming iPhone 5 into consideration.
Another phone worth checking out is the HTC one X. Although not superior in performance compared to the GIII, it has a lot of notable features and shoots photo's fast due to it's fast camera processor.
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Though the camera supports 1080P at 30FPS on the Samsung Galaxy S3 while the HTC One X doesn't. I would say get the Galaxy S3, the iPhone screen just seems tiny to me after having the Galaxy S3 since launch.
The iPhone 5 might be worth waiting out for if you have the patience to wait. Apparently Foxconn's CEO said the next iPhone "will put Samsung’s Galaxy III to shame."
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the next iPhone "will put Samsung’s Galaxy III to shame."
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Lol, doubt it
Thank you for your suggestion, however I am not an iPhone person and I don't believe T-Mobile will be getting the iPhone5. Or at least there's no official word on it. Just hopeful reports of people stating that 'It could happen! Maybe..'
I just love the android's platform and it's lack of boundaries. I've also heard rumor of some Android's having a "Flash Counter" that count the number of times you've actually flashed the phone, and because of it the warranty won't be active. (Like the Galaxy Note supposedly has one.) I could also be wrong since I haven't looked into this. On that note, I don't believe they'll be implementing this feature into the SnapDragon CPU's. However correct me if I'm wrong! I'm very much a phone newbie.
My friend owns a One X while another has the new Razr Maxx.
Since they aren't brand new I'm curious as to switching to those guys..it would be cheaper however have the same quality as the S3?
I've been with Samsung for 8 years now and they haven't let me down.
So loyalty stays with Samsung for their phones.
Samsung announced today that they will be revealing the S4 on March 14th, the day before the One's launch. Hopefully it doesn't ruin htc's launch, i can see alot of people canceling their pre orders after seeing the S4's specs. What do you guys think?
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Samsung announced today that they will be revealing the S4 on March 14th, the day before the One. Hopefully it doesn't ruin htc's launch, i can see alot of people canceling there pre orders after seeing the S4's specs. What do you guys think?
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TBH I don't give a f u c k about samsung , about their announcements and about their phones , am I wronging something ?
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TBH I don't give a f u c k about samsung , about their announcements and about their phones , am I wronging something ?
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True sir, I'm following you
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True sir, I'm following you
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Same not interested in the galaxy s4. Had an s3 and it was nothing to write home about
I agree about Samsung, I had S3 and Note 2 and both are nothing to write home about except for note 2 battery life.
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Samsung announced today that they will be revealing the S4 on March 14th, the day before the One's launch. Hopefully it doesn't ruin htc's launch, i can see alot of people canceling their pre orders after seeing the S4's specs. What do you guys think?
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about a week ago, my next phone was indeterminate between the HTC1, SGS4, and the Motorola X-Phone.
initially, the SGS4 was rumoured to have amazing specs, but recent rumours have Samsung nerfing more and more of these "killer specs" due to production issues(though the 8-core exynos they were originally supposed to be going with was just two switch-between quad cores of different speeds, meaning the qualcomm which is now rumoured isn't actually a nerf after all) .
Add the fact that it will almost certainly be sporting the cheap poly-carbonate shell, the S4 is not a contender for me anymore.
the HTC1's solid build will help it a lot against the SGS4 threat since many buyers base their decision more on how a phone feels than what it contains (just look at all the people buying iPhones)
biggest thing against it will probably be battery life. If HTC didn't pick up their game in this regard, then the rumoured 3000Mah X-phone may take the market.
I wish there was something more substantial than rumours to go by.
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I agree about Samsung, I had S3 and Note 2 and both are nothing to write home about except for note 2 battery life.
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I don't expect there to be a huge overall jump in anything - The S3 was an underwhelming update to the S2 - same damn camera, pentile screen etc.
But rest assured that Samsung will have some sort of ace up it's sleeve and/or marketing gimmicky crap (Pop up play, Nature UX ,S-voice, Smart Stay, S-note, S-tits) that will devour the entire market share of the segment.
Samsung does do the basics well though - it will have microSD and I expect the battery of the S4 to be excellent and close to 3000mAh - but they have very Apple like followers now. If they include some aluminum on their chassis and call it hyperaluminum and it'd sell 10 million on that alone.
I mean seriously - they called the glossy plastic back on the S3 'hyperglaze'.
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I don't expect there to be a huge overall jump in anything - The S3 was an underwhelming update to the S2 - same damn camera, pentile screen etc.
But rest assured that Samsung will have some sort of ace up it's sleeve and/or marketing gimmicky crap (Pop up play, Nature UX ,S-voice, Smart Stay, S-note, S-tits) that will devour the entire market share of the segment.
Samsung does do the basics well though - it will have microSD and I expect the battery of the S4 to be excellent and close to 3000mAh - but they have very Apple like followers now. If they include some aluminum on their chassis and call it hyperaluminum and it'd sell 10 million on that alone.
I mean seriously - they called the glossy plastic back on the S3 'hyperglaze'.
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"hyperglaze" ? they should had called it "hypercrap" LOL
The only feature I thought that was quite clever on the s3 was the 'smart stay' thing... Pop up play I NEVER used... ever! S Voice was a pile of crap, most of the features were naff
And lets be honest... Samsung has made it's fortune by essentially ripping off apple with its design, people will jump on me for saying that but it's true. A physical home key with the other android keys that fade into the background so it looks like they're not there, similar shapes, a UI that looks extremely similar. Samsung have done well with marketing but.. not for me Each to their own I guess.
love this thread so far
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The only feature I thought that was quite clever on the s3 was the 'smart stay' thing... Pop up play I NEVER used... ever! S Voice was a pile of crap, most of the features were naff
And lets be honest... Samsung has made it's fortune by essentially ripping off apple with its design, people will jump on me for saying that but it's true. A physical home key with the other android keys that fade into the background so it looks like they're not there, similar shapes, a UI that looks extremely similar. Samsung have done well with marketing but.. not for me Each to their own I guess.
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I honestly think that samsung was there for the taking at the time of the S3 - it was an underwhelming device. HTC were in with a huge chance but - like the Sensation before it - the One X was plagued with teething problems which put its performance below the GS3 as the time.
It always takes a while and 2-3 updates for HTC devices to realize their potential - remember HTC Sensation and the memory issues with the browser and the launcher? and the GPU lag? The Galaxy S2 had none of that and went on to become the people's champion. HOWEVER - after a few painful months and great dev work the issues were fixed and the Sensation went on to become even better than the S2 IMO - but it was too late.
In the case of the One X, HTC already had the best design and screen on the market but it was plagued with software/driver issues. Honestly, the One X before and after the Jellybean update were too completely different devices - gone was the overheating, the stuttery UI, the poor battery - it had become an amazing phone. But again, most people were put off by the initial problems and just went for the S3 instead.
I feel that HTC really need a solid, issue free launch for the One for it to be a success because, objectively, i don't see anything coming close to the One this year. HTC's really changed the game with the speakers and camera - and no-one saw it coming. All the One now needs is a well executed launch with no major issues and I feel the One can be THE top selling phone of the year.
Now, obviously with any new device there will be bugs in the beginning which is fine as long as they're minor and quickly addressed. Hopefully HTC avoids these issues and really takes the game to Samsung this year.
I applaud HTC for having the guts to do something different.... Samsung will just 'increase' the spec a bit over the S3 and for most people they'll be like 'OMG THIS IS THE BEST PHONE EVER' and if it does what you want then fair enough.
I really really hate how the galaxy range feels so cheap in the hand, when your spending that much money you want a premium product and I think that's why people love Apple so much... It may be expensive but you normally feel like it's worth the cost.
If you ask within the XDA community - whether anyone would cancel their orders for HTC One, answer is NO. Whoever decided to get HTC One is getting it. It doesn't really matter what Samsung shows for GS4, people will get the HTC One who already pre-ordered.
The same question if you ask outside the XDA community, then it's something totally different. As always, only thing which will push the device to consumers is marketing, promotion and brand awareness. HTC has to match Samsung's efforts in marketing. Else, many people might actually cancel the order.
Android Central is hosting "World's First Samsung Galaxy S4 Contest". Really!! And there are now close to 4000 comments already. HTC needs something to combat this Samsung marketing juggernaut.
I think HTC's deal with AOL might help them. All AOL sites are part of blinkfeed.
http://blog.aol.com/2013/02/19/aol-debuts-on-the-brand-new-htc-one/
They will however need much more than that. Expect a good review from Engadget and Techcrunch for HTC One.
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I agree with the statement above. ^^^^^ Thing is, Samsung has made a name for itself just like Apple, The iPhone isn't that great, but people worship apple like they are perfect. Coming from an iOS community i've seen the most ridiculous BS ever. Following people on twitter waiting over night for the next iPhone, iPad, crappy Macbooks, when none of them are ever that great. Just over expensive and too simple. They practically worship apple and its disgusting. I can understand people going for the "just works" slogan because, well, they "just work", great. But people who are on android want way more than that. Which is why i find Android Superior and am going from a iPhone 4 to an HTC One. Even though Android IS better in pretty much every aspect, people go to apple. They were the first, so they had a head start and made a name for themselves. (Also I think android before 4.0 was bad anyways, I didn't like it and i haven't seen so many people switch until 4.0 was out) So it will most likely be that Apple will always be ahead in smartphone sales. Samsung also was an early competitor, and was able to get there name out there since they had so much money to advertise. So everyone I know is either ALL APPLE, or they will only go for Samsung, thinking everything else is inferior. Not saying Samsung is terrible, but they got ahead while I think there smartphones aren't superior. This is why I think Samsung will hurt HTC when it comes too sales. Samsung is big, HTC isn't.
Can wait to see the look on Ur faces wen Sammy slams the 1 to an early grave....y the heck do u think they will stick to plastic....HTC using all aluminum body sure means the competition will follow suit. And u know the will fill it up with lots of extra features....if there's one thing Sammy its better @, then its marketing. Remember how we keep blasting the iphone, yet it sells so well. HTC 1 was made to get the company back on its feet financially. To these OEM its not about just making a good phone, its all about selling most. And as it stands Sammy has the upper hand, and I don't think they are ready to give up....so prepare to be blown away....LIKE IT OR NOT
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Can wait to see the look on Ur faces wen Sammy slams the 1 to an early grave....y the heck do u think they will stick to plastic....HTC using all aluminum body sure means the competition will follow suit. And u know the will fill it up with lots of extra features....if there's one thing Sammy its better @, then its marketing. Remember how we keep blasting the iphone, yet it sells so well. HTC 1 was made to get the company back on its feet financially. To these OEM its not about just making a good phone, its all about selling most. And as it stands Sammy has the upper hand, and I don't think they are ready to give up....so prepare to be blown away....LIKE IT OR NOT
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Looks like tomatoes8 is back with a ghost account.
Anyways less db's on HTC forums.
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Actually, if you care about HTC as a company then you should care about the announcement - it would be an understatement to say that this is the most crucial battle yet for HTC - and they've done their part by making an excellent product. So let's see.
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Can wait to see the look on Ur faces wen Sammy slams the 1 to an early grave....y the heck do u think they will stick to plastic....HTC using all aluminum body sure means the competition will follow suit. And u know the will fill it up with lots of extra features....if there's one thing Sammy its better @, then its marketing. Remember how we keep blasting the iphone, yet it sells so well. HTC 1 was made to get the company back on its feet financially. To these OEM its not about just making a good phone, its all about selling most. And as it stands Sammy has the upper hand, and I don't think they are ready to give up....so prepare to be blown away....LIKE IT OR NOT
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Problem is that the S4 was surely in production before they knew HTC would be using aluminum. And believe me, I already believe that Samsung will out do the HTC One by a long shot because Samsung has always done better with marketing there phones. Im sure they will release a new version of TouchWiz with lots of new features, but the Ones features are also great. Sense 5 looks mint, compared to TouchWiz and unless Samsung follows in that more minimalist design I'll still find TouchWiz ugly. I would agree its not about maknig the better phone is its about profits. Just like every other company in the world. Samsung will always have the upper hand whether or not they are crappy or great. Just like we see with pretty much every single Apple product. They made a name for themselves, So no matter what they put out, the iSheep WILL continue to buy there overpriced, crappy products. Still, Samsung > Apple any day. Samsungs products aren't crappy but i've never been impressed by a single thing Samsung has ever done.
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Problem is that the S4 was surely in production before they knew HTC would be using aluminum. And believe me, I already believe that Samsung will out do the HTC One by a long shot because Samsung has always done better with marketing there phones. Im sure they will release a new version of TouchWiz with lots of new features, but the Ones features are also great. Sense 5 looks mint, compared to TouchWiz and unless Samsung follows in that more minimalist design I'll still find TouchWiz ugly. I would agree its not about maknig the better phone is its about profits. Just like every other company in the world. Samsung will always have the upper hand whether or not they are crappy or great. Just like we see with pretty much every single Apple product. They made a name for themselves, So no matter what they put out, the iSheep WILL continue to buy there overpriced, crappy products. Still, Samsung > Apple any day. Samsungs products aren't crappy but i've never been impressed by a single thing Samsung has ever done.
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