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My opinion of the Verizon 10.1 galaxy tab Verizon 4g lte version only.

You wonder why I post this, I get it. Personal experience warrants that I tell you about this Verizon tab.
Locked bootloader
No netflix
No skype for front camera
And this is my basis to start this frustration rant. Either Samsung or the android os in general is not popular enough to push these technologies to be developed for the latest and greatest droid device and honeycomb.
Please understand I love droid and am anti ipad/apple. But the fact is I bought an ipad2 last night and I am doing all the things I can't on the Samsung.
Don't tell me to sideload anything. It simply does not work on the Verizon model. I want to root but no support has been lended to me and many others on this and many other droid sites. Including the Samsung forum site.
If there appears to be a way to root, then no one has a reversing flash for it.
In general, new technology or not, the apps should be there. When paying the equivalent price of an ipad the android tab should blow the freaking doors off apple. I've got em both right here and the ipad2 just kicked the bajesus out of this 10.1
Proprietary skiz and all for nothing more than me being able to log in get apps and have them work without bootlegging, voiding warranties and sideload this and that.
now before you go calling me a troll or a hater...
I have a
Dx2 and so does my wife
I hada first gen droid and ran chevy ss
Xoom
Samsung galxy 10.1
And now because droid is not "mainstream" enough a damn apple ipad2 in my house. What the hello, droid os is now officially pissing me off. I know that it is not the os fault but, really I disagree. If droid was selling tabs at half the rate of apples ipad then this freaking rant would never have been written and my azz would never considered looking at a freaking lemming apple ipad anything.
Maybe somebody here knows somebody that will forward this along because this kind lf crap right here. Droid developers not taking availability of apps seriously is what killed IBM in the 80's by thinking home pcs in every house was a farce.
droid development needs to lobby payoff incentavize whatever the hello they need to do to get service providers to write for droid if they want to command a price equal or greater than apple.
please do whatever you do agree or disagree but do not attack me personally or belittle my intelligence. I am neither a kid or dummy. I like technology but I do not like beating my head against the wall trying hours in vain to get something to work just to find out it won't.
I could go on but Why?
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It doesn't have locked bootloader... does it
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to the OP.....you do understand the difference between "Droid" and Android, right? "Droid" is just Verizon's marketing campaign for SPECIFIC android devices (Motorola Droid, HTC Droid Incredible, Samsung Droid Charge). MOD EDIT: REMOVED OFFENSIVE WORDS. you purchased a carrier specific tablet, not a WiFi model. therefore, development for said device will only move forward considering more people decide to buy it. theres plenty of development for the WiFi version of the GT10.1.
as for locked bootloaders.......actually, Samsung doesn't ever lock bootloaders, from what i understand. HTC has been known to, and Motorola is notorious at it. Samsung and i believe LG have the easiest exploits when it comes to rooting.
BTW, the Honeycomb source code hasn't been released for any device, probably not until ICS drops.

thachosenone said:
to the OP.....you do understand the difference between "Droid" and Android, right? "Droid" is just Verizon's marketing campaign for SPECIFIC android devices (Motorola Droid, HTC Droid Incredible, Samsung Droid Charge). so to say "droid development" just makes you sound ignorant. you purchased a carrier specific tablet, not a WiFi model. therefore, development for said device will only move forward considering more people decide to buy it. theres plenty of development for the WiFi version of the GT10.1.
as for locked bootloaders.......actually, Samsung doesn't ever lock bootloaders, from what i understand. HTC has been known to, and Motorola is notorious at it. Samsung and i believe LG have the easiest exploits when it comes to rooting.
BTW, the Honeycomb source code hasn't been released for any device, probably not until ICS drops.
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Really? Are you serious? Droid, Android,,,,, again Really? Yes I do understand that a droid is a phone and android is an operating system. Did you not see the reference to honeycomb etc..? Forgive me I don't mean to be disrespectful......this is just not the kind of response I'm looking for.
I'm sorry if my abbreviations confused you.
For locked bootloader again not an idiot the bootloader is locked. is that really a surprise dealing with big red. Samsung is doing what they are told I guess. Not only is the bootloader locked don't flash this puppy with odin or you will be unable to wipe or return to virgin setup.
PERIOD! at least with the current means and methods on the net.
Samsung wifi models some were shipped with unlocked bootloaders but not Verizon models. Again! I am only referencing the 4g model so any other make model manufacturer is completely irrelevant.
I have had 3 of these in my hands they are all on lockdown. They also are telling people 4g must be activated to get owner registration......the first one I returned doa to the selling dealer but big red corporate would not exchange it because I didn't HVE 4g turned on so in their system I didn't even show owning the product.
I could go on and on.
point is everything in the original post in 100% true and accurate and knowledge from my personal hands on experience.
I am hoping that someone takes it personally and gets some interest in mastering this device. I pretty much root all my devices but after bringing my first one Bck to lofe 4 times and never getting superuser I am in a holding position until full accurate knowledgable instructions on how to unlock bootloader, backup, root, unroot. I am waiting.
Truth again, the post was not about rooting but the fact that the android development team had better start using some power in their speech to people like skype, netflix, and any other major player on behalf of us the people that buy android devices or we are and are gonna continue to be pissed if they don't get it and that means we will buy other peoples stuff ya know,,,the whole supply demand free market concept?...
Especially when I go pay the same price for an ipad2 and all the skizz I want is a click away for free and with no effort or time wasted in a forum on why my stuff doesnt offer main stream popular sh#%!
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thachosenone said:
to the OP.....you do understand the difference between "Droid" and Android, right? "Droid" is just Verizon's marketing campaign for SPECIFIC android devices (Motorola Droid, HTC Droid Incredible, Samsung Droid Charge). . you purchased a carrier specific tablet, not a WiFi model. therefore, development for said device will only move forward considering more people decide to buy it. theres plenty of development for the WiFi version of the GT10.1.
as for locked bootloaders.......actually, Samsung doesn't ever lock bootloaders, from what i understand. HTC has been known to, and Motorola is notorious at it. Samsung and i believe LG have the easiest exploits when it comes to rooting.
BTW, the Honeycomb source code hasn't been released for any device, probably not until ICS drops.
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One last thing. To pick up on one keyword "droid development" while overlooking the entire context of the post after in that same post disclaiming that I did not want anyone to attack or belittle me and you then state that I appear IGNORANT? Well maybe it will to some, but, what you just did makes you appear far worse. Imho...
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marksnet said:
You wonder why I post this, I get it. Personal experience warrants that I tell you about this Verizon tab.
Locked bootloader
No netflix
No skype for front camera
And this is my basis to start this frustration rant. Either Samsung or the android os in general is not popular enough to push these technologies to be developed for the latest and greatest *droid* device and honeycomb.
Please understand I love *droid* and am anti ipad/apple. But the fact is I bought an ipad2 last night and I am doing all the things I can't on the Samsung.
Don't tell me to sideload anything. It simply does not work on the Verizon model. I want to root but no support has been lended to me and many others on this and many other *droid* sites. Including the Samsung forum site.
If there appears to be a way to root, then no one has a reversing flash for it.
In general, new technology or not, the apps should be there. When paying the equivalent price of an ipad the android tab should blow the freaking doors off apple. I've got em both right here and the ipad2 just kicked the bajesus out of this 10.1
Proprietary skiz and all for nothing more than me being able to log in get apps and have them work without bootlegging, voiding warranties and sideload this and that.
now before you go calling me a troll or a hater...
I have a
Dx2 and so does my wife
I hada first gen *droid* and ran chevy ss
Xoom
Samsung galxy 10.1
And now because *droid* is not "mainstream" enough a damn apple ipad2 in my house. What the hello, *droid* os is now officially pissing me off. I know that it is not the os fault but, really I disagree. If *droid* was selling tabs at half the rate of apples ipad then this freaking rant would never have been written and my azz would never considered looking at a freaking lemming apple ipad anything.
Maybe somebody here knows somebody that will forward this along because this kind lf crap right here. *Droid* developers not taking availability of apps seriously is what killed IBM in the 80's by thinking home pcs in every house was a farce.
*droid* development needs to lobby payoff incentavize whatever the hello they need to do to get service providers to write for *droid* if they want to command a price equal or greater than apple.
please do whatever you do agree or disagree but do not attack me personally or belittle my intelligence. I am neither a kid or dummy. I like technology but I do not like beating my head against the wall trying hours in vain to get something to work just to find out it won't.
I could go on but Why?
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look above....i didnt just pick out ONE time you used "droid" to describe something that runs android. so yeah....you sound REALLY ignorant. You literally used "Droid" 10 times
and regarding bootloaders:
http://rootzwiki.com/showthread.php?2511-ROOT-RECOVERY-Galaxy-Tab-10.1-LTE&
all i had to do was google "galaxy tab 10.1 LTE Recovery"....do you know how to google something??
so yeah.......

I'm surprised that you have been allowed to start a thread which expresses your own personal opinion. I've had a thread removed to the Off-Topic Forum because I did that.

Gaugerer said:
I'm surprised that you have been allowed to start a thread which expresses your own personal opinion. I've had a thread removed to the Off-Topic Forum because I did that.
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They may yet censor me but, the title says opinion the body of the post is all fact. We shall see.
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thachosenone said:
look above....i didnt just pick out ONE time you used "droid" to describe something that runs android. so yeah....you sound REALLY ignorant. You literally used "Droid" 10 times
and regarding bootloaders:
http://rootzwiki.com/showthread.php?2511-ROOT-RECOVERY-Galaxy-Tab-10.1-LTE&
all i had to do was google "galaxy tab 10.1 LTE Recovery"....do you know how to google something??
so yeah.....
I've seen the post and it works but it doesn't return the device back to stock. also again you fail to see where rooting was not the point of the above post. It was one point out of many.
So I was in a hurry and didn't put an in front of droid each time. I did however say
Droid device
Droid os
Etc..
To a common sense individual they got it.
To someone interested in ignoring the subject, offering no solution, as I am guessing you are not a developer, and being negative you Win!
I'm ignorant yea you win now please go away.
So glad we got that straight.
Bye bye now.
Mark
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But if you have a custom recovery, couldn't you just make a cwm backup when you first get it? Then that would return it to stock when you restore that backup.
They don't drop source code for honeycomb. That's just how they do it.
you further perpetuate the misconception that "Droids" are anything with Android on it. It's bad enough when people who know nothing of rooting and such call it "Droid". But you're on xda.
And I've contributed to the community a lot more then you have man. You've only offered this rant.
And every post, on here, I've still offered some sort of answer or advice.
Don't be one if those people that come on here to demand people to develop for the device you bought. Be happy with what is offered and have patience. All you accomplished on your OP is sounding like a jackass with buyers remorse.
And GTFO with your iPad.

For some reason no you cannot flash cwm. Theres a ton of people posting on this and why it sends the tab into a bootloop. There are also multiple post on this forum and others where people are asking for the stock image due to this.
There is also a post where rooting instructions are clear and precise. One problem. The links are broken and no longer valid.
I do not further perpetuate anything. You may perceive it that way because you have the inability to look at a forest instead of a frikken tree.
I have stated enough times that I do understand that Android is an O.s. and that "droid" is a phone device produced by motorola, although I never mentioned moto.
Geez.. Also I stated in my OP that I bought the ipad2 for comparison. I do not want the ipad2 as I have invested way too much in market apps and gmail to start the wallet all over with apple apps. However, now that I have an ipad2, I dont hate it. It's a good machine. If that makes me bad then ok, whatever.
My first post was done largely abbreviated and maybe i didnt convey my points or angle well enough. I'll concede that but, I was typing on my samsung tablet and was just trying to get some action on the topic. The last thing I wanted was for someone to make it their mission to point out what was wrong line by line but, hey whatever.
Simply put just in case my original post was written ineffectively on my tablet. I am on my desktop now and the keyboard is much more effective than trying to type a letter on the tablet, let me reexplain my op.
Simply put,
I prefer the Android O.s.
I like the samsung tablet.
The memory, processor, flash, a million things I see potential in.
However, when I analyze something I also analyze as if or from a consumer standpoint and maybe not so much a dev. standpoint.
By this alone I think that the people/powers that be need to wake up and push the big boys like skype, netflix, etc... to make apps that will be compatible with the latest and greatest release of not only the O.s. but the hardware devices that come from HTC, Moto, Samsung, lg, etc....
In order to get mass appeal from consumers ****e is gonna have to work or people will opt for what does work.
Right now the samsung 10.1 wifi's only work netflix on some platforms not all.
Right now the samsung 10.1 wifis and lte models will not do skype with the front cam.. so no video on either side.
ALSO TRUE FOR XOOM
These are just 2 apps but, they are "THE" two apps that alot of people converting to tabs are wanting.
Contrary to popular belief most people buy tabs to eff off with. They are not hot like a laptop, they surf relatively well, but everyday consumers want to skype, netflix, check email, all of it.
They do not want to be in front of a desktop with their tablet hooked up via usb hacking and sacking the images, custom roms, etc... That is a few of which I am one of but, even I grow tired and frustrated when I brick ****e and screw it up but, really, just to get netflix loaded. No way man, I want to click and install enter my username and watch my son watch his movies.
Yeah its fun getting them working again but, with this thing.......It's all for nothing. I still dont have the full potential of this device because it simply will not do it.
Apple ipad2 does both of these out of the box with no trickery. Just search and download.
That may not be a problem for you as a senior member and expert at going thru the work of sideloading apps etc...... but, for mom at the grocery store. She's gonna pick what works with the click of a button.
Android devices and The Android O.s. developers are going to have to be compelled to make the ****e work on their devices if they want to take the sales to the next level. This is not my opinion at all. This is just fact. You can have a great hardware device and a sporty o.s. but, if there is no software available for it, or apps in this case then you have nothing and you certainly dont have buyers for it.
Ipad sales compared to android type tab devices are not even in the same universe. Ipad sales are smashing Android based tabs. Not because they have been out longer either.
Why is that? Well people are sheep for one! I get it but, how does Android smash Apple? Well they do it by #1 advertising, #2 being better (measurably), (which I believe they already are) , but they also have to, have to, have to, offer at least what the ipad will do and more.
Come on man, I'm not asking for the world here.
To be better when you are the underdog you have to be twice as good. NOt from a hardware standpoint but, from all of it. Cosmetics, function, hardware,cost,more apps, better graphics. etc...
Android has done most of this but, not all of it. The apps lacking in the market have got to catch up immediately or people will continue doing what they have been doing. Buying ipads
Again, this is what the post was about. You just think that Android and hardware is good now. Get them (the Android stiffs) the revenue stream that Apple has and then we will "really" see some cool stuff.
this may be the one negative about open source. If the people making the apps and the people making the devices, and the people making the upgrades to the O.s. are not all working together then Android will not be "THE" player, they will just be "A" player in the sea of other players.
I am also not demanding anyone develop for my specific tablet. I really dont care if they do or not. But, if that is the attitude of a tablet that is supposed to be "THE" tablet for the Android flagship right now, that's a bad attitude or stance for them to take when basic apps are not even offered or if they do they will not work. Not exactly how your gonna get susie away from the apple store. Again, this is simply about marketing, and retail appeal.
Develop, dont develop, the market wins only players lose.
On a personal note.
By the way, I have not one time condemned or attacked you. You have insisted on calling me names and being sarcastic to me each time you post. Please let me say that it was not my intent to offend you. This post was not about you or the fact that you help people or dont help people on this site.
I would like you to stop calling me ignorant and telling me to GTFO and such about an ipad, after I said that I was pro android.
I will say one thing about the comparison of the 2.
Apple kicks the samsung on two major things:
Keyboard does not lag on apple. I am always backspacing corrections on the samsung.
Apple has apps, our android market does not.
Now I'll compare the Xoom and The Samsung 10.1
I like the xoom better. At least netflix works on it.
However, skype does not so Apple still wins in flexibility of apps.
I like the hardware and acceleration of the samsung 10.1 over all of them.
I am not sure what gives on the keyboard lag? Sucks.
This is exactly why I placed in my original post that I was not hating on Android and I did not want personal attacks.
I am asking you to please stop. I am not interested in name calling.
Continue if you must but, I will not engage in calling you names.

At all
Please keep discussion on topic and do not use offensive words

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Its Android not Droid dammit!
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Well put Android os is really getting old with exclusive apps for certain devices or with verizon with there own app store. Don't they know they would make more Money releasing to everyone duh. If a old ass iphone 4g can play high end games why not my duel core sensation ? Or in your case the tablet.
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Well put Android os is really getting old with exclusive apps for certain devices or with verizon with there own app store. Don't they know they would make more Money releasing to everyone duh. If a old ass iphone 4g can play high end games why not my duel core sensation ? Or in your case the tablet.
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Finally someone that looks past jargon and looks at subject matter!!!!! Another common sense human on here! What strange feeling this is,,,,
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Man... Everything in here by the OP is nonsensical and tough to read.

z33dev33l said:
Man... Everything in here by the OP is nonsensical and tough to read.
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+1
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Update!
Netflix is not in the market but there is an apk for it now and it works!
Skype folks say they are working on a solutionno time commitment though.
Clockwork and roms still limited but will come in time hopefully.
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marksnet said:
You wonder why I post this, I get it. Personal experience warrants that I tell you about this Verizon tab.
Locked bootloader
No netflix
No skype for front camera
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In reply to all three: BULL****! I have had a Verizon Galaxy Tab 10.1 for many months and:
1. The bootloader is not and was not ever locked
2. Netflix patch was trivial to install (and it runs great)
3. Skype does support the front camera (as of its most recent release a couple months ago)
Other than that, rooting the device was just as simple as installing Netflix.

[Q] Motorola Targa

I am thinking about getting an upgrade and the new Bionic has caught my eye. However, if the Motorola Targa is going to be out within a few months I want to wait.
I have searched all over the web and what I have found is speculation and poorly photoshopped pics of what the Targa could look like.
Does anyone have any REAL information on what the Targa specs are?
With all the developers on this site someone has to work for Motorola or Verizon and have some info to leak to us...

Sign to show interest for phones with HW keyboard

Hi guys,
as you may know, there aren't any actual android phones with an HW keyboard. Some people still prefer them to "normal" touchscreen devices.
As seen on the Motorola Milestone / Droid forums, or the G2, there are some people sometimes talking about "to what could we upgrade?"
The only option for Verizon users inside the US is the Motorola Droid 4, but it's not aviable as global-phone.
I think there might be some interest of other people, this is not really a petition, more a way to show manufactors, that there is still interest for HW-Keyboard-Phones, and not that every phone on the world, should look like an iPhone.
Not everyone is a girl or has thin fingers, also there are people still using smartphones as business devices, so they write emails onto it etc... this is what smartphones were originally made for.
If anyone of you is interested in this, he can feel free to sign. Maybe Samsung or anybody else will see this petition one day with plenty of signs in it and they will say "let's make one, there are people intending to buy it"
change.org/petitions/all-android-smartphone-manufactors-make-a-good-phone-with-an-hw-keyboard
(can't post links, would be nice if anyone could answer with this as link)
thank you for reading.

Xperia Pro don't have the best specs, but run really fast, and have a full QWERTY keyboard.

Theres also the Samsung Stratosphere, its specs aren't as good as the Droid 3 (besides having 4G) but at least its another keyboard offering. They have made several HW keyboard phones in the past.
Hopefully as businesses switch from the dying blackberry platform they will go for devices with a physical keyboard. Motorola also has a blackberry looking phone called the Droid Pro.

[REQUEST] Let's make the distinctions between the S4 and Tegra3 forums crystal clear

Some friends of mine live along a rural road east of San Diego. Their house is adjacent to a sharp turn at the end of a long straightaway. Since they moved in a couple of years ago, five different cars have gone off the road at the bend and crashed into their yard. On two occasions, the cars almost wound up in their living room.
In every case, the cars were going too fast at night or weren't paying attention and failed to negotiate the turn. At least two of the drivers had been drinking. There are multiple warning signs before the turn, but people miss them or misjudge how sharp the bend is, especially at night.
It's easy to say people shouldn't drive too fast or be more careful on twisty back roads at night, but after a certain point, you have to recognize that there's a problem and ask if there are reasonable things that could be done to protect people from their own stupidity or carelessness.
Here is our problem:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1813839
A number of people have pointed out that it's very easy to end up in the International One X forum when coming from Google. If you just got your phone, and arrive directly in the international forums, all you see in the forum directory tree at the top is "HTC One X." It's not immediately obvious you're in the wrong place if you haven't done your homework (which, yes, you should do first, but ... see above). There are warnings, but you kind of have to look for them--easy to overlook if you're not even aware the phones are different, as is often the case.
It seems like a simple renaming of the two forums would go a long way toward addressing the problem. Possibly just:
-HTC One X (Tegra 3/Endeavor--International)
-HTC One X/XL (S4/Evita--AT&T, Rogers, Telstra)
Thoughts? It won't help the people who refuse to read first, but it ought to help some of the people who simply blunder into the wrong forum without realizing it.
IMO, anything that cuts down on the number of "Help!! What did I do wrong?" threads is an improvement.

So say we all.

We've been requesting a clearer distinction between the forums for some time now - as far as I've seen, the mods just aren't willing (or perhaps informed). I agree with this thread wholeheartedly; I simply don't expect any changes anytime soon.
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Here here!
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What I have always wanted personally but never spoke about is:
Rename every single forum on XDA to the device's codename.
This would prevent this. It would also make the noobs figure something out by themselves (they device's codename). If even that is too much, XDA could have a device name -> code name translator somewhere.

I second (or whatever number we are on now) this request. It seems like 2/3 of the questions in Q&A are either One XL but tried using international software or international One X and just in the wrong Q&A.

Spot on OP.
Whilst the problem (different devices with the same/similar marketing name) isn't XDA's fault, the (simple) resolution certainly is.

rohan32 said:
What I have always wanted personally but never spoke about is:
Rename every single forum on XDA to the device's codename.
This would prevent this. It would also make the noobs figure something out by themselves (they device's codename). If even that is too much, XDA could have a device name -> code name translator somewhere.
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Such a good idea, seriously THIS.
Plus I love calling my phone by its codename, just seems more bad ass
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AT&T, Rogers and Telstra is misleading as there is Vodafone, o2, Singtel and who knows what else. I bought that to the mods direct attention via PM and via user feedback thread.
I never got a response in any direction to what the mods think. Not a yes or a no, just silence.
Anyone would think renaming a forum was a hard task......

rohan32 said:
Rename every single forum on XDA to the device's codename.
This would prevent this. It would also make the noobs figure something out by themselves (they device's codename). If even that is too much, XDA could have a device name -> code name translator somewhere.
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ChongoDroid said:
Such a good idea, seriously THIS.
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My only concern with this is that it would likely lead to a flood of threads like "Am I in the right forum?" "What is my phone's codename?" "Help! I'm lost!"

iElvis said:
My only concern with this is that it would likely lead to a flood of threads like "Am I in the right forum?" "What is my phone's codename?" "Help! I'm lost!"
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Let them figure it out themselves, it's not hard to do so and anyone who can't shouldn't be messing with their phone anyways.

I think the Evita forums should have "LTE" in its name while the Endeavor forums have "HSPA+". That should clear things up.

ChocolateShein said:
I think the Evita forums should have "LTE" in its name while the Endeavor forums have "HSPA+". That should clear things up.
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But the endeavor has hspa+ too...

How about a wizard? Enter your IMEI number, click go, and land in the correct forum!
It's the only way!
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ChocolateShein said:
I think the Evita forums should have "LTE" in its name while the Endeavor forums have "HSPA+". That should clear things up.
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Perhaps if you use pocket protectors
Let's be realistic. Better signage will help some. But do you really think "international" and "tegra" mean anything to the majority of people hanging out here? Heck, I consider myself relatively knowledgeable, had been on XDA for a few years and still ended up in the other forum when I first got my hoxl. Add to that that people call the nfl and nba champions "world champions" with a straight face and truly believe it, nd you see how you can still have a problem. Perhaps listing the countries that a set is officially sold into may be more effective. There will still be people who end up in the wrong place. Australia, Austria... Who knew they were not the same place. Ironically one is tegra the other is s4

GroovyGeek said:
P. Australia, Austria... Who knew they were not the same place. Ironically one is tegra the other is s4
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I dont think people actually from either of those countries would be confused
The list of countries would quickly become too long for any forum titles.
Perhaps there should be a sticky at the top of all forum sections for handsets known to cause confusion.
Eg both One X and One XL forums should always have a locked sticky :
Title:
Warning: Numerous different One X models exist, you must read this first
Body:
Several very different One X models are sold around the world, these phones are not all compatible and you must ensure you are in the correct forum before doing anything!
There is a high risk you could permanently damage your phone by following any instructions given for the wrong phone.
All One X phones look the same from the outside but there is at least 2 very separate versions of the phone.
The first type is LTE capable and has a dual core 1.5ghz Qualcomm MSM8960 Snapdragon aka S4.
The phones codename is "evita".
This phone is sold by AT&T, Rogers and Telus under the name One X.
The phone is also sold by Telstra, Vodafone Germany, o2 Germany and Singtel under the name One XL.
For this phone you should be in the following XDA Dev forums:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1538
The second type is not LTE capable and has a quad core 1.5ghz Nvidia Tegra 3.
The phones codename is "endeavor".
This phone is sold in nearly all regions except North America and is always named One X.
For this phone you should be in the following XDA Dev forums:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1533
Once again there is a very high risk of permanent damage if you follow the wrong forum!

twistedddx said:
I dont think people actually from either of those countries would be confused
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Well, actually it is confusing as both the Tegra and S4 versions are sold in Australia (don't know about Austria )
Telstra has the S4 version (called a One XL here) and everyone else the Tegra (One X).
Only one is capable of LTE/4G, so maybe that needs to be prominent in the thread title?

I like OP's idea for the two forum names, and then having a warning as the first thing a person sees when they enter that forum stating something catchy like "WRONG PHONE FOR THESE FORUMS? CHECK HERE!!". Then inside make sure the first line or two is very simple so people don't TLDR it and ignore the information.
Something like:
"Your phone comes in two very different, incompatible versions. There are different forums for the different versions.
This forum is for phones that use the S4 chip and is sold by AT&T, blahblahblah. If your phone has the Tegra 3 chip and is sold by blahblahblah then head to this other thread.
Using information from the wrong forum for your phone can lead to a broken phone!"
You'll never catch everyone, but making a simple change like being discussed would cut down on some of the issues anyhow.

So you wanna sell some phones? But your phones won't fly (off the shelves).

First of all, props to anyone who gets the reference in the title. This thread is to talk what about OEMs could do better when selling their phones. This is what they need to focus on if they want to sell.
Disclaimer: I like Samsung. I don't like HTC, only because they bought a big part of Beats. I hate Beats, it's overpriced, terrible, and only exists to line Dre's pockets. The One isn't bad, I've tried it myself, but meh. I don't get everyone's need for build quality. Most people use cases anyways. This isn't a flame post, but I see a lot of things they could do better. And since it's competing at a high level, it receives most of my critiism.
Before we get to that, let's split up the OEMs into tiers, based on usage, coverage, and general awareness.
Tier 1: Apple and Samsung
Tier 2: HTC, LG, Motorola, Nexus, Nokia, Sony
Tier 3: Blu, Pantech, Kyocera, and any other OEMs that make low / mid range carrier phones.
All the Tier 2 (T2) brands are completely capable of battling Apple and Samsung, but they're doing things wrong. But, what exactly are they doing wrong?
Mainly, Naming and Branding
This problem applies to all of the T2 brands except for Nexus. Nexus has it right, but all the others have a problem with creating a brand name. Samsung may slap the Galaxy name on everything, but people know what it is. Consumers can't distinguish the individual models yet, but Samsung is heading in the right direction. But how come everyone else can't seem to get this right? Here are some general branding rules.
1. Create a memorable cohesive brand name (Nexus, Galaxy, Optimus, Lumia)
This does not need to be explained.
2. Do not use numbers and/or letters in any form in the phone name (Lumia 920, 925, 928, One X, One)
*Does not apply to sequels
Nokia, these numbers are confusing, and not memorable.
HTC, using numbers and letters are very confusing when you try to name sequels. What's next? The One One? One Two? One+? One+One?
3. Do not use vague sounding buzzwords. (Optimus G Pro, One X+)
Pro, +, and X are all marketing cliches here. They're not memorable.
The moral here is create a strong brand and then insert various words to name your phones.
Nexus_______, Optimus__________, Lumia__________, Galaxy__________, Xperia ________
HTC, ditch the One brand.
Motorola, use Razr as a name, not a brand. And I hope Moto X is just a codename.
Availability
Samsung and Apple are to be commended here, for making their phones available on all the major carriers. The S3 is available on 5/7 of the largest carriers in the US, and on MetroPCS when it was not owned by T-Mobile. This works for them, just look at the market share. In addition, every carrier seems to have a Galaxy ___________. That's a combination of availability and strong branding. HTC has almost done (it) the same thing with the One. It's their most available phone yet, and will only get stronger once it hits Verizon. So it's been obvious over the last year that carrier exclusives don't work. And why would they? I'm not sure on the business behind it, but the OEMs have to do what they can to get their Hero phone on every carrier. It's obvious that Hero phones only sell well when they're available to all.
The moral here is to make your phones as accessible as possible.
Marketing
Availability only matters when you can market. People need to know about the phone. Samsung's major success with its Galaxy S and Note lines are widely attributed to its massive marketing budget, and for good reason. Their marketing team is killing it. Their commercials are funny, clever, and show what you can do with the phone. That's important. Apple doesn't play the marketing game, they have great brand awareness and word of mouth. As we've seen with the HTC commercials, it's not enough to make ads. They have to be good. Samsung's commercials show people interacting with the device, because that's what people care about, how they can use it. The Droid DNA commercials are a great example of what not to do. Normal people don't care about specs.
*I read all of this somewhere (maybe Verge forums) and it made a great point. I'm just paraphrasing here.
The moral here is to make ads with people using the phone, not the specs.
Features
This ties back into marketing. Samsung has been slammed for all the features that they've included in the S4, but why slam an OEM for including too many features? Because it lags? Everything lags, and I'd much rather have a little lag for a lot more features. Seems like a fair deal. The only version of Android I've seen that doesn't lag at all is stock. (Avatar rom on Samsung Captivate/ S1 for AT&T) But why would an OEM use stock? Because you guys think it will sell well? It won't. OEMs need to add features to distinguish themselves from the pack. The S Pen has no real features when you're not using it on Touchwiz.
Instead of slamming Samsung, the criticism should be on Motorola, HTC, LG, Nokia, for not including any notable features. "But they have features!" so you say. I don't see the Zoe and Blinkfeed being something notable. I've seen the ad for Blinkfeed, it has what I want in an ad but it's alright. Too exaggerated with the dirt though. Boomsound is good, but has to be marketed better. If HTC really sees this as features, they have to convince me. They have to make ads where I can see it being used in normal situations, like Samsung and their S4 Graduation party commercial. This commercial is a great demonstration of features.
The moral here, add features, then make ads on those features.
That's all I can remember for right now. But what do you guys think? Do you agree? Or am I way off? I'd love to have a civilized argument about this.
Personally, I want Motorola X to compete with Samsung. I think Motorola could make some great stuff. It would be even better if Google bought Nokia and merged them. Nokarola. Can you imagine? Camera, battery, colors, and super slim phones? And it would piss off Microsoft, which I know Google likes to do.