Firstly, let me thank all of you wonderful people, here on XDA, for all of your help with my many devices over the years!
But the time has come to move on. I'm afraid I have 'jumped ship' and got my self an iPhone 4!
I know, I know!
But I have to say, I love it! Is it as adaptable or individual as an HTC device? No! Is it more reliable and easy to use use? Yes! The plain fact is, it simply works. I have had it with hours / weeks / even months of fiddling, tweeking, crying and swearing over my HTC devices to get them to do what I want, or, in the caseof my HD2, simply get it to work!
It is refreshing to have a device which took just one hour to have just the way I wanted it. Nothing freezes or crashes, no resets (my HD2 required a soft reset with Memaid running every day or it was unusable), and customer service that is quick and very helpful (example, paid £40 for igo and couldn't get it to sync. Apple answered my email in 2 hours, I had an email conversation with an advisor over two days, trying various fixes which eventually worked. Then they emailed to tell me 'sorry for all the inconvenience' and 'as a valued member of the Apple family' (I know, yuck) they were refunding the £40 in full and hoped I would enjoy the app!
When did HTC ever respond like that?
I still have my HD2 (and my Touch HD) but they are being used by my wife and neice. The iPhone, much as I hate to say it, is just... better. It works, is quick and reliable. When I need it to work, it does and that is what, in the end, I need in my device.
I wish you all enjoyment in the use of your devices and health to use them!
Maybe, I'll be back some day...
Scottmo
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Lol enjoy your downgrade. Have fun being boring.
hungry81 said:
Lol enjoy your downgrade. Have fun being boring.
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maybe he doesn't to do the same to his device that you do to yours.
he clearly just want a more intelligent feature phone. i myself have toyed with the idea but i always want to be able to mess around with stuff
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When did HTC ever respond like that?
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They don't even respond to bug reports...
Thanks!
Hey, guys, thanks for the replies. I thought people might be a bit more... negative. I appreciate the tone
You are all right, of course. Yes, it is more boring, in some ways a downgrade. I accept all that. However, there is no getting away from the face that it just works and has some amazing features (yes, I had a lot of them on my HD2, but they either took ages to work or didn't work right at all. I might sell my stuff eventually but my wife and neice are enjoying their 'new' phones ATM.
I am no fanboy and am quite progmatic about everything, I may well be back, or on android if / when things change, who can say?
Thanks again, and bye...
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Mate, jeez why did you have to get a bloody iPhone? If you really hated your Leo so much, what you could've done is get an N1 or a Desire, and whacked MIUI on it. My mate bought a Desire, and had no dramas setting it up and using it.
If you need the apps from an iPhone, GET AN iPOD TOUCH! iPhone is just an overrated piece of ****e that does not do a lot more than a dumbphone, you are forced to use iTunes, it is locked down to the hilt, plus it loses reception when you touch the bottom left corner. Not to mention that you can't change the battery. (iPhone 4 is not the first phone capable of video calls, not to mention you can't do them over 3G)
I do see his point with WinMo being unstable (well it's an M$ product after all, and yeah I had a Leo too, but changed to a Desire due to WM being unstable, bugger all apps, unfriendly, buggy, and Android being the next big thing) but seriously, you should've changed to an Android phone. I talked most of my mates out of the iHype, and suggested a Galaxy S or a Desire instead of being Apple's slave. I like my freedom, mate!
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Mate, jeez why did you have to get a bloody iPhone? If you really hated your Leo so much, what you could've done is get an N1 or a Desire, and whacked MIUI on it. My mate bought a Desire, and had no dramas setting it up and using it.
If you need the apps from an iPhone, GET AN iPOD TOUCH! iPhone is just an overrated piece of ****e that does not do a lot more than a dumbphone, you are forced to use iTunes, it is locked down to the hilt, plus it loses reception when you touch the bottom left corner. Not to mention that you can't change the battery. (iPhone 4 is not the first phone capable of video calls, not to mention you can't do them over 3G)
I do see his point with WinMo being unstable (well it's an M$ product after all, and yeah I had a Leo too, but changed to a Desire due to WM being unstable, bugger all apps, unfriendly, buggy, and Android being the next big thing) but seriously, you should've changed to an Android phone. I talked most of my mates out of the iHype, and suggested a Galaxy S or a Desire instead of being Apple's slave. I like my freedom, mate!
Just my $0.02 ...
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Mate, last year I would have agreed with you. Fact is I have had this phone for a fortnight now: no problems, no crashes, no resets. It is quick, responsive and does what it says on the tin!
Reception is fine, I've had no problems and don't use a 'bumper' or anything. As for itunes, I thought the same - then thought jailbreak. Fact is iTunes works just fine! Most of the apps I 'bought' were free or just 59p so I don't see the problem. I have never changed a battery in any phone I've owned... so don't anticipate a problem there. Android is great and, soon, it may be just what I want, but not now. Not yet. It just isn't quite there.
GPS on this thing is MUCH quicker, MUCH more accurate, MUCH more powerful (I get lock at home and work which I have never got close to before - HD2 couldn't even lock on OUTSIDE my work!) than anything I've used before.
Yes, there is an issue of being 'locked down' and I worried about this. However, when you use the phone and iTunes etc, there simply isn't an issue! If it works, and works well, what's the problem? I can't customise the phone but I'd rather have something that looks the same and works than something that looks different and either doesn't work or doesn't work as well or takes a lifetime to get it to work!
Don't get me wrong, if android comes of age by the end of my contract (12 Mnths) then I'll sell and come back to the fold. Untill then, I'm loving my iPhone and I don't care who knows it
Scottmo
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Mate, last year I would have agreed with you. Fact is I have had this phone for a fortnight now: no problems, no crashes, no resets. It is quick, responsive and does what it says on the tin!
Reception is fine, I've had no problems and don't use a 'bumper' or anything. As for itunes, I thought the same - then thought jailbreak. Fact is iTunes works just fine! Most of the apps I 'bought' were free or just 59p so I don't see the problem. I have never changed a battery in any phone I've owned... so don't anticipate a problem there. Android is great and, soon, it may be just what I want, but not now. Not yet. It just isn't quite there.
GPS on this thing is MUCH quicker, MUCH more accurate, MUCH more powerful (I get lock at home and work which I have never got close to before - HD2 couldn't even lock on OUTSIDE my work!) than anything I've used before.
Yes, there is an issue of being 'locked down' and I worried about this. However, when you use the phone and iTunes etc, there simply isn't an issue! If it works, and works well, what's the problem? I can't customise the phone but I'd rather have something that looks the same and works than something that looks different and either doesn't work or doesn't work as well or takes a lifetime to get it to work!
Don't get me wrong, if android comes of age by the end of my contract (12 Mnths) then I'll sell and come back to the fold. Untill then, I'm loving my iPhone and I don't care who knows it
Scottmo
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You're quite right about the HD2's GPS lock, it was slower than that N95 I had, but the GPS in my Desire is top notch, only takes a few seconds, and accuracy at its best was about 3 metres (HD2 was 7m). I do know the iPhone 3G had **** GPS signal (took ages for TomTom and Navigon to get a lock on my mates phone). I haven't used the GPS on a 3GS or a 4 or a 3G equipped iPad though to be honest.
I just wanted to show my opinion of the iPhone, and by the way, I have owned an iPod Touch 2G (bloody well regret selling the damn thing. Might get a 4th Gen once the SHAtter jailbreak comes out) and I do like the UI, and as a tweaker, I still like the power to do that and that's why my trusty old iPT 2G was jailbroken. Apple are great at designing stylish hardware and good UIs (heck look at the LISA, and even the Mac back in 1984, the GUIs on those wiped the floor with anything else at the time), but what pisses me off with Apple is Job's arrogance, marketing hype, vendor lock-in, and a heavily restricted platform where you have to obey anything Apple tells you to do. But at least the iPhone doesn't have all that **** that the telco (carrier) shoves down your throat, like unwanted apps, wallpapers, branding or bootscreens.
Sorry if it seemed like I was a zealous anti-Apple fanboy who doesn't see past WinMo, Blackberry, Android, or Symbian. It's just the iPhone isn't my cup of tea, along with those stupid little fart apps, gun apps, virtual beverage apps, and web site "apps" (iPhone's not the only one to have them btw).
So... will we see you at http://iphone-developers.com/ ?
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So... will we see you at http://iphone-developers.com/ ?
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Never knew XDA was setting up an iPhone specific site. It'd probably cover iPod Touch, iPad and Apple TV 2G as well right?
Strange, I've had 2 Leos and both just work out of the box.
scottmo said:
Hey, guys, thanks for the replies. I thought people might be a bit more... negative. I appreciate the tone
You are all right, of course. Yes, it is more boring, in some ways a downgrade. I accept all that. However, there is no getting away from the face that it just works and has some amazing features (yes, I had a lot of them on my HD2, but they either took ages to work or didn't work right at all. I might sell my stuff eventually but my wife and neice are enjoying their 'new' phones ATM.
I am no fanboy and am quite progmatic about everything, I may well be back, or on android if / when things change, who can say?
Thanks again, and bye...
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It dosent "just work" Bluetooth is stuffed, And if your Aussie the apparently iphones UI screwed up with daylight savings. Im not a fanboy eather. I just dont want to support a company that is leading the way in controlling your phone. Im annoyed at android and win phone 7 for folowing that path as well.
scottmo said:
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I wish you all enjoyment in the use of your devices and health to use them!
Maybe, I'll be back some day...
Scottmo
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You too! Have fun and enjoy 99.9% reliability
Have to admit, I would have jumped ship if there was an OS out there that did everything I needed, however, up until WinPho7, winmo is the only one that does.
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hungry81 said:
It dosent "just work" Bluetooth is stuffed, And if your Aussie the apparently iphones UI screwed up with daylight savings. Im not a fanboy eather....
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He's British, he doesn't have to worry about (third world) time zones (joke, please don't shoot me!!!!)
Have you got any info about how BT is stuffed? (Besides, if he doesn't want to use BT (I don't) then can't imagine no matter how bad it is he will be worried)
Yes apple devices restrict bluetooth in such a way that it can only communicate with apple devices (much the same as their video chat) and certain headsets ect. I am unsure if there is a jailbreak solution, But the fact that apple implimented this in the first place is enough to turn me away.
Dont forget this is in conjunction with their other connectivity and access issues (eg, no USB ports, no filesystem access no sd card functionality)
As I said above apple has led the way in restricting our devices. And since people have not taken issue with this, Microsoft, google and motorola are following, and they will as long as it is profitable to do so.
Not very nice of them, probably explains why none of the iphone people I see have BT devices. To be honest though, neither have I for my HD2 so this wouldn't cause me a problem at all.
Restricted or not should not be the question, the question should be "does the device do what you need?". In the OP's case, it sounds like it does so good luck to him.
scottmo said:
that it just works and has some amazing features
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did u ever had an android device in ur hands?^^
I am a microsoft certified shtooge.... They really hit a homerun with Windows7... but how can anyone take them seriously with a mobile os. They had over 10 years to kill that ****.. and they are weak. If Windows Phone 7 doesn't go well, you won't see Windows mobile until a computer and phone are the same.
how anyone could take microsoft seriously in the mobile arena is beyond me. I will be surprised and shocked if there new offering is actual stable and usable.
Seeing all OS's... I would say the android so far is winning.
Bluetooth actually works okay for me. My Samsung headset paired first time and works like a charm. I can even send stuff to other phones (non Apple) using an app and my phone isn't jailbroken yet.
It's just a matter of what is best for each of us at any one point in time. A few years ago WinMo was my choice. Now, it isn't.
Yes, I have used android and it is great. But there are still issues with reliability and crashing and also the iphone just 'felt' better to me, both physically and emotionally. I don't regret it and, as I said, I can change again in a year if / when things change. I am not (and never have been) a blinkered fan of any OS or any manufacturer. My phylosophy is, if it works and does what I need just now then I'll use it!
Yes, I will hop over to your iphone site (never knew it existed till now) but I'll hang around here from time to time too... maybe flash android to the HD2 and see how my wife gets on with it...
I bought a GoogleTV box from BestBuy some time ago and soon returned it as it was severely crippled in comparison to the MK808 I ultimately ended up with. After I worked on the Antenna, I am relatively happy with my decision, for the cost.. However: The Google TV had the coolest feature, and I want something similar.
If anyone knows of an Android STICK with the 'HDMI INPUT' feature, like the feature which allowed the GoogleTV to overlay a the Android screen over my cable box feed. I'd sure appreciate a heads up.
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I bought a GoogleTV box from BestBuy some time ago and soon returned it as it was severely crippled in comparison to the MK808 I ultimately ended up with. After I worked on the Antenna, I am relatively happy with my decision, for the cost.. However: The Google TV had the coolest feature, and I want something similar.
If anyone knows of an Android STICK with the 'HDMI INPUT' feature, like the feature which allowed the GoogleTV to overlay a the Android screen over my cable box feed. I'd sure appreciate a heads up.
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Never heard of that before. What would be the point of this though?
Not sure about the Google TV box specs but maybe it just needed a custom rom to make it more friendly.
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Never heard of that before. What would be the point of this though?
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It was cool.. you can do a picture in picture kinda thing.. where the Android OS is a transparent overlay. And, this allowed you to keep the android OS in the background aswell, so you would be notified of incomming email and messages and stuff while watching your other hdmi source.
It interacted with the TV guide and search features......I gave my Revue away, its just had way to many limits....
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I bought a GoogleTV box from BestBuy some time ago and soon returned it as it was severely crippled in comparison to the MK808 I ultimately ended up with. After I worked on the Antenna, I am relatively happy with my decision, for the cost.. However: The Google TV had the coolest feature, and I want something similar.
If anyone knows of an Android STICK with the 'HDMI INPUT' feature, like the feature which allowed the GoogleTV to overlay a the Android screen over my cable box feed. I'd sure appreciate a heads up.
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That would be extremely valuable to me. The more i looked into it the more it looks like it is not currently possible. To do it android drivers would have to be built for any additional hardware needed then you would need to make that work with an existing media play or develop your own.
So I love one thing, and that is to have a phone with a qwerty hardware keyboard. I've had many many phones over the past 8 years, but the ones that I will never forget are my ADP1(Dream), and my Nokia N900. Right now I dumped my M8 and got back with my N900. But I do want the speed and hardware of newer smartphones, I see projects like the Neo N900 and I drool.
Of course blackberries and their PRIVacy which doesn't allow rooting are a no-no.
Anyone knows something I don't?
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So I love one thing, and that is to have a phone with a qwerty hardware keyboard. I've had many many phones over the past 8 years, but the ones that I will never forget are my ADP1(Dream), and my Nokia N900. Right now I dumped my M8 and got back with my N900. But I do want the speed and hardware of newer smartphones, I see projects like the Neo N900 and I drool.
Of course blackberries and their PRIVacy which doesn't allow rooting are a no-no.
Anyone knows something I don't?
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The current times are leaving devices like that behind just like with the old flip phone. Get used to it and get a touchscreen phone.
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True, it's not like I expect to see a whole new line of phones with physical keyboards, but every now and then something has to come up. There has to be a device coming up to cater to the needs of people like me! I know I'm not the only one who would love this.
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True, it's not like I expect to see a whole new line of phones with physical keyboards, but every now and then something has to come up. There has to be a device coming up to cater to the needs of people like me! I know I'm not the only one who would love this.
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Things like physical keyboard are a thing of the past, so much so that I doubt there will be many more devices that have them. Think about it, it costs them more to make devices with physical keyboard plus it leaves less room for screen space. Touch screen with software keyboard is the smarter, cheaper, better option. Plus, non keyboard devices makes more marketing sense given that competitors kill them in sales.
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Yeah I see that, that's why I'm looking for a device that's not too deprecated. As in the best qwerty handheld device out there for someone who can't let go of hardware keyboards, excluding a certain sprint-locked device(that's you photon q). Unless someone has seen something about an upcoming hopefully rootable(if android) qwerty device.
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Yeah I see that, that's why I'm looking for a device that's not too deprecated. As in the best qwerty handheld device out there for someone who can't let go of hardware keyboards, excluding a certain sprint-locked device(that's you photon q). Unless someone has seen something about an upcoming hopefully rootable(if android) qwerty device.
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Try these links
www.phonerated.com/android_phones_with_keyboard-listbycat
thedroidguy.com/2016/11/top-7-android-smartphones-physical-qwerty-keyboards-87556
www.pcmag.com/slideshow_viewer/0,3253,l=292845&a=263435&po=1,00.asp
There is also this kind of option, it wouldn't surprise me if more models started using something like this as an accessory.
www.androidauthority.com/slimtype-galaxy-s6-qwerty-keyboard-666872
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