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Was this even worth it?

Ok, so I've had this phone for about a year now (I rooted it right out the box) and I've been installing new roms and kernals for about a year too. The problem is, I still don't even see a real benefit of rooting. I was a former iOS user and I jailbroke it to get free apps and themes and stuff, which I thought was pretty cool. However, I simply like android better, so I got my HTC Thunderbolt. But I feel that after rooting I have accomplished nothing. Sure I'm able to use SetCPU, but the overclock doesn't even make a huge difference, and it "wears off" within a few minutes. Also, different ROMs all feel the same to me, the only thing that may be different is the look. Gingerbread imo is just a different lockscreen, and I still haven't installed a single theme correctly. Can someone plz argue these points and tell me how to take full advantage of this rooted thunderbolt?

djthunda12123 said:
Ok, so I've had this phone for about a year now (I rooted it right out the box) and I've been installing new roms and kernals for about a year too. The problem is, I still don't even see a real benefit of rooting. I was a former iOS user and I jailbroke it to get free apps and themes and stuff, which I thought was pretty cool. However, I simply like android better, so I got my HTC Thunderbolt. But I feel that after rooting I have accomplished nothing. Sure I'm able to use SetCPU, but the overclock doesn't even make a huge difference, and it "wears off" within a few minutes. Also, different ROMs all feel the same to me, the only thing that may be different is the look. Gingerbread imo is just a different lockscreen, and I still haven't installed a single theme correctly. Can someone plz argue these points and tell me how to take full advantage of this rooted thunderbolt?
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The biggest advantage of rooting my phone is to get rid of all that bloatware crap, block ads and get better battery life. I just got a replacement and had to be on stock for a day before I got a chance to root again. Battery life was horrible with stock. In addition, I personally dont overclock since the phone is running smooth with these roms.

Why root? For me the answer was easy "because I can". I like the fact that I can mod my phone and remove things from it I don't like. Stock is fine and if that is what floats your boat that's cool. It's the same reason you jailbroke you iphone, so it's there when you need it.

Easy response. Free wifi tethering.

For me the biggest reason was for wifi tethering. Blows my mind I would have to pay an additional $30 for tethering ... and that is only for 2GB. It's rare that I use it, but it's nice to have the option.
Other reasons were to either freeze or uninstall apps you can't normally uninstall. I've tried a few roms, but really like sense. So currently running BAMF 1.0.7

If you felt no need to root, then you tried the wrong ROMs or missed doing the useful things that come with it.

djthunda12123 said:
Ok, so I've had this phone for about a year now (I rooted it right out the box) and I've been installing new roms and kernals for about a year too. The problem is, I still don't even see a real benefit of rooting. I was a former iOS user and I jailbroke it to get free apps and themes and stuff, which I thought was pretty cool. However, I simply like android better, so I got my HTC Thunderbolt. But I feel that after rooting I have accomplished nothing. Sure I'm able to use SetCPU, but the overclock doesn't even make a huge difference, and it "wears off" within a few minutes. Also, different ROMs all feel the same to me, the only thing that may be different is the look. Gingerbread imo is just a different lockscreen, and I still haven't installed a single theme correctly. Can someone plz argue these points and tell me how to take full advantage of this rooted thunderbolt?
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I've never heard anyone describe their root experience in such emotionally loaded terms. It's a phone, not a girlfriend. I'm not going to argue with you because I don't have a lot of feelings tied up in my phone and my emotions haven't been placated by rooting it. It's a useful tool that let's me do what I want. I like having a device where I don't run into some stupid wall when I want to do something to it. It's that simple.

loonatik78 said:
I've never heard anyone describe their root experience in such emotionally loaded terms. It's a phone, not a girlfriend. I'm not going to argue with you because I don't have a lot of feelings tied up in my phone and my emotions haven't been placated by rooting it. It's a useful tool that let's me do what I want. I like having a device where I don't run into some stupid wall when I want to do something to it. It's that simple.
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djthunda12123 said:
Ok, so I've had this phone for about a year now (I rooted it right out the box)
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How could you have had your TB for "about a year"? It came out barely 7 months ago.
That hyperbole aside, the reason I rooted my TB (which I did when I got mine back in March) was so that I could take control of my device. Since smartphones are really little computers I want full control of it. I wouldn't stand for not having administrator privileges on any of my other computers, why would I stand for it on my phone? That wouldn't fly if I bought a Dell laptop that was locked down because Dell thought that it would provide a more consistent user experience and it won't fly for me from HTC or Verizon.

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I've never heard anyone describe their root experience in such emotionally loaded terms. It's a phone, not a girlfriend. I'm not going to argue with you because I don't have a lot of feelings tied up in my phone and my emotions haven't been placated by rooting it. It's a useful tool that let's me do what I want. I like having a device where I don't run into some stupid wall when I want to do something to it. It's that simple.
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Well I didn't mean for it to be emotional, I just simply wanted to know the things I can now get out of my phone. Any ROM recommendatons?

djthunda12123 said:
Well I didn't mean for it to be emotional, I just simply wanted to know the things I can now get out of my phone. Any ROM recommendatons?
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Whether it's immediately obvious or not, many of these ROMs are extensively modified. BAMF, Gingeritis, and Synergy, just to name a few that are significantly divergent from stock. Some are little more than stock dressed up pretty. Basically, it boils down to what you want or like. I simply don't recommend ROMs because most of the people that do are idiots follow what they think is a cool trend.
Some people have no real need to root a device. You might be one of them. I'm not. I like playing with different ROMs, kernels, apps that require root, and scripts. It also blocks out XDA's uber-annoying video ads. Everyone has their own reasons and some do it just to be cool, it seems.

People here has obviously touch on most of the benefits of rooting. From debloating to free wifi tether to better battery life. This is all true and also why I rooted, but one of the coolest things for me is being able to flash a rom that allows you to be on a version of android or a UI maybe not available on your device yet. Take for example the TB, it is not suppose to ever get sense 3.0 and months before gingerbread was even release i was on gingerbread and running sense 3.0. Heck you can run sense 3.5 now if you want. So to me, being able to be "ahead of the curve" and run software on your phone that is not even out yet for your device is pretty bad a$$.

djthunda12123 said:
Ok, so I've had this phone for about a year now (I rooted it right out the box) and I've been installing new roms and kernals for about a year too. The problem is, I still don't even see a real benefit of rooting. I was a former iOS user and I jailbroke it to get free apps and themes and stuff, which I thought was pretty cool. However, I simply like android better, so I got my HTC Thunderbolt. But I feel that after rooting I have accomplished nothing. Sure I'm able to use SetCPU, but the overclock doesn't even make a huge difference, and it "wears off" within a few minutes. Also, different ROMs all feel the same to me, the only thing that may be different is the look. Gingerbread imo is just a different lockscreen, and I still haven't installed a single theme correctly. Can someone plz argue these points and tell me how to take full advantage of this rooted thunderbolt?
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loonatik78 said:
Whether it's immediately obvious or not, many of these ROMs are extensively modified. BAMF, Gingeritis, and Synergy, just to name a few that are significantly divergent from stock. Some are little more than stock dressed up pretty. Basically, it boils down to what you want or like. I simply don't recommend ROMs because most of the people that do are idiots follow what they think is a cool trend.
Some people have no real need to root a device. You might be one of them. I'm not. I like playing with different ROMs, kernels, apps that require root, and scripts. It also blocks out XDA's uber-annoying video ads. Everyone has their own reasons and some do it just to be cool, it seems.
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Quoted both of you because I wanted to reply to both of you. First loonatik. Totally agree. Those three are the most popular and I agree with I don't recommend ROMS because im simply not that picky about the major three that for the most part are about as supermodded as you can get. And many of the mods work on all three sense ROMs. So use what ya like.
As for the OP. If you are having trouble installing themes on whichever ROM you're using post on the thread that those roms come on and there will be several people who can help you get it to work right. (yea there are some douche bags on here but for the msot part people will help). The best reasons I have for rooting and keeping my phone rooted are free wifi tethering mainly and also because like another poster said. If you bought a computer and they told you you had to keep all the crapware they send with it and couldnt uninstall it and that you could only use it a certain way then you would surely get a different computer or you would figure out a way to get around it. I like my car but i don't like my stock stereo that came with it. So i changed it. Should that void the warranty on my car? no but HTC and Verizon think it should. Im not ok with that. If you aren't happy with your rooted phone then you can unroot it and use it as stock for a little while just to see the difference. If it makes no difference to you then keep it unrooted but I think you'll probably see that there is a performance difference and a difference in battery life at least.

nbdysreal said:
Easy response. Free wifi tethering.
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Just curious, what app do you guys use?

Synergyrom is by far the best ROM I've put on my tbolt imo, ...tried em all for bout a week each, but I've stuck w synergy in the end....silky smooth...great kernel...great debt support...and best of all..great batt life....with the extended battery, I can go 50+ hours on one charge with moderate use....heavy use I can still get 30-35 hours no sweat... ..all phones are different though...just try em all and c what your phone prefers...

I must be stupid, because I am going to recommend BAMF soab, it's a 3.5 ROM that is relatively fast, and I love all the new features. To each their own though.

Skynyrd420 said:
Synergyrom is by far the best ROM I've put on my tbolt imo, ...tried em all for bout a week each, but I've stuck w synergy in the end....silky smooth...great kernel...great debt support...and best of all..great batt life....with the extended battery, I can go 50+ hours on one charge with moderate use....heavy use I can still get 30-35 hours no sweat... ..all phones are different though...just try em all and c what your phone prefers...
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I'm gonna take you to task on that. First off, the kernel in that ROM makes the entire ROM warez. Ziggy's work is illegal as hell and a blight to the Android/Linux community. Ziggy's kernels have also proven the worst performers as compared to Imoseyon's and Dreamkernel after repeated tests on the same ROMs. Not to mention his kernels have some serious lag issues no other kernel does. Frankly, I think the stock HTC 2.11.605.3 kernel is faster and smoother.

I am going to have to agree with every single person here. Also, I will be the first to admit it. I do feel cool when I get to reROM my phone and show it off to my friends with stock Android phones. Especially when they cry about not having some of the options available to those of us who ROM. Don't get me wrong I know it does not make me cool to ROM. I just feel cool. But in all actuality, the DEV's are the true cool ones. But, sadly some of my friends don't want to "risk bricking or losing there warranties". But, to each there own. I even have a friend with an iPhone. He loves it, it does exactly what he needs it to do un jailbroken.
The one thing that has been elusive to me though, is a good battery life. I am a fan of BAMF. And am running SoaB at the moment. As a matter of fact currently I can not get Callrecorder to work properly on this ROM. Call recording has been my savings grace so many times. Especially when I had to dispute a bill with VZW them selves. And frankly getting the person on the phone to refund what is owed back to me.is a pain in the rear some times. But, it gets done and recorded. Then, when my next bill rolls around and it has not been properly taken care of, I would call back again and have them read the notes back to me from my previous dispute. And if they say that there are no notes. I let them know that I am recording them and that I have the recording to my last dispute. That changes how the whole ball game is played. So for me, call recording is a must. But everything else every one else stated holds just as true for me also. Any way, good luck in the search for that holy grail of a ROM. I have to go. My phone is dying again for the second time today. Time to link up to the grid again.
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djthunda12123 said:
Any ROM recommendatons?
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CM7. Solid as a fort and fast as hell.
Even thought I got my Stratosphere, it will be an eon (or two, if ever) that I'll see any development for it, so I kept my Thunderbolt around to fill that void.

Actully 4G phones have unlimited hotspot on Verizon, it's the 30$ plan. There isn't a cap at all, so not sure where you get the 2 gig cap on tethering.
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About to join the G2x crew, need some advice.

I've read plenty of crap about the G2x and how terrible it can be. Is there a way to tell apart the bad batches from the good ones? Maybe by IMEI? Baseband? OS version?
Thanks!

honestly, ive had my G2x since may? and only problem ive ever had(and still have) is slight screen bleed on my top corners.
other than that, i love and enjoy this phone everyday !

AndroidKills said:
honestly, ive had my G2x since may? and only problem ive ever had(and still have) is slight screen bleed on my top corners.
other than that, i love and enjoy this phone everyday !
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Agreed. I got my phone off of Craigslist and it's even a winner. This is my favorite phone...of all time, maybe. Came from a Vibrant and I won't own another Samsung product for a while.

No good or bad batches. They all come with junk software which is easy fixed with Nvflasher and a custom rom.
G2x - 2.3.7 CM7
Transformer - 3.2 Revolver OC/UV

OP, do yourself a favor and find a different phone. Honestly, this phone isn't worth the trouble you'll put yourself through. There are better options out there, no need to subject yourself to dealing with the G2X. Perfect example, it's December and they're trying a 2nd time around to release the gingerbread update...the phone came out in April! That should have been done a long time ago. That being said, how soon do you expect it to be upgraded to Ice Cream Sandwich? Find another device, it isn't worth the trouble.

mysterioustko said:
OP, do yourself a favor and find a different phone. Honestly, this phone isn't worth the trouble you'll put yourself through. There are better options out there, no need to subject yourself to dealing with the G2X. Perfect example, it's December and they're trying a 2nd time around to release the gingerbread update...the phone came out in April! That should have been done a long time ago. That being said, how soon do you expect it to be upgraded to Ice Cream Sandwich? Find another device, it isn't worth the trouble.
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We're already getting alpha's of ICS. And since we're all on XDA, we've all had GB since CM7. I don't see any other reason to deter him away from this device.

mackster248 said:
We're already getting alpha's of ICS. And since we're all on XDA, we've all had GB since CM7. I don't see any other reason to deter him away from this device.
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What newer device doesn't have an alpha build of ICS yet? Really, that's nothing to hang your hat on. Truth be told you may never get a bug free build of ICS until the actually release comes out, or at least leaks with the things they will need to make it more stable and bug free. That didn't even really happen completely with gingerbread. The phone's fine if you're someone who's already stuck with it, and can't get out of it (for whatever reason). But, I couldn't in good conscience recommend anyone to purchase this phone. Fact is, if he intends to have anything even close to a pleasant experience HE WILL HAVE TO HACK HIS PHONE, and even then there aren't any guarantees. There are much better options out there.

Honestly the g2x still outperforms most other newer phones released this year( exnyos sgs2 aside )
With ics confirmed for our devices and both cm team and our brilliant devs here on g2x thread who got hw acceleration and just about everything else working for a beta release, I'd say our g2x's are go for their true potential. Though not quite ahead of its time as the hd2 was.. when ics is released for g2x it will only future proof the device longer since that is the OS meant to keep g2x owners happy they kept it!
Oh and I wouldn't say hacking the g2x is difficult anyways, since its one of the easiest phones to root ever lol
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Try this ROM:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1374011
Though the installation and post-installation is PAIN IN YOUR ASS, it works 100% with nearly zero problem after it's done and it's worth the pain.

mysterioustko said:
OP, do yourself a favor and find a different phone. Honestly, this phone isn't worth the trouble you'll put yourself through. There are better options out there, no need to subject yourself to dealing with the G2X. Perfect example, it's December and they're trying a 2nd time around to release the gingerbread update...the phone came out in April! That should have been done a long time ago. That being said, how soon do you expect it to be upgraded to Ice Cream Sandwich? Find another device, it isn't worth the trouble.
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yep,listen to him. Please read through the forum so that way you are well informed. I WILL NOT EVEN RECOMMEND THIS PHONE TO A DUMB PERSON. LG really screwed all their so called phones up.
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I like this phone, it's only the second smartphone I've ever had and my other was a failberry. I had no experience with android and managed to root and flash a rom with no problems only a couple weeks after getting it. I will agree that this is not the greatest phone out of the box with the software, but if you enjoy flashing roms and trying things out it has some good hardware for the price. Some people enjoy rooting and exploring things, and this is a good phone for them IMO.

mysterioustko said:
What newer device doesn't have an alpha build of ICS yet? Really, that's nothing to hang your hat on. Truth be told you may never get a bug free build of ICS until the actually release comes out, or at least leaks with the things they will need to make it more stable and bug free. That didn't even really happen completely with gingerbread. The phone's fine if you're someone who's already stuck with it, and can't get out of it (for whatever reason). But, I couldn't in good conscience recommend anyone to purchase this phone. Fact is, if he intends to have anything even close to a pleasant experience HE WILL HAVE TO HACK HIS PHONE, and even then there aren't any guarantees. There are much better options out there.
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Then maybe it's user error on your part because the stock GB build was perfectly fine for me. Rooted or not rooted, my phone has never shut down, rebooted, or SOD. It's fine if you don't like the phone, but it would be ignorant to deter someone away from it just because you had a bad experience. There's many that have good experiences with this phone.
Stock ROM is fine.
Custom ROM's based on stock are good.
And CM7 is even better.
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I said Fcuk what people where saying and made the jump.....Or at least will be soon
Has anyone actually used a phone that didnt have a bug? People get upset after spending money a phone that doesnt in turn make them coffee lol, help the phone...so that in return it helps you!

dapoharoun said:
I said Fcuk what people where saying and made the jump.....Or at least will be soon
Has anyone actually used a phone that didnt have a bug? People get upset after spending money a phone that doesnt in turn make them coffee lol, help the phone...so that in return it helps you!
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I am on my 4th replacement LG-P999 (G2X/WIND Optimus 2X) which I got within the first 15 days of getting the first one and this one has screen bleed at the top corners and light leakage along both edges leaking through the LCD mask. Hardware-wise, if it doesn't have any problems, it is a good phone but the support for it from LG is abysmal, they should be forced out of the cell phone business for that. This phone is only as good as it is because of the hard work done by various developers here and elsewhere who I can't thank enough for that. If you like modding your phone's functions and capabilities, this is probably the best phone for that other than the Optimus 2X P990 model which has the added ability of installing various basebands. When ICS is available with video acceleration, the better camera (no lag), etc., it will significantly improve this phone's operation to what it should have been when it was first sold, it was ahead of Android's ability to take advantage of its hardware. Even if LG does provide ICS for this phone which, although they have promised to provide for the Optimus family of phones such as the 2X, I don't believe it will because it has already moved on in preference to support its 3D phone for which it has released an update to double the phone's 3G/4G speed and other significant improvements. If I were to buy another phone, even though the new Nexus does not have the best hardware, it would be that because it has ICS and will be updated for at least the next 18 months. Second to that would be the new Samsung which is promised to get ICS which I do trust Samsung to do. I will never buy another LG phone or other LG product because LG is so unethical in its business practises. So, you pays your money and takes your chances, just don't bet on a known loser, LG.

Giving up on the sidekick

I hate to say it but through the past year I've seen this thread explode then burn fizzle and slowly die.
There hasn't been any "new" development for this phone since mid year and it doesn't look like we will ever get gingerbread or any real interest in this phone from any hardcore developers. T-Mobile failed in ressurecting the sidekick imho it started off good but it quickly became a novelty and they just brushed it under the carpet. Even going so far as to not do exchanges on devices with known problems.
I love the sidekick line for the design of the phone and the full keyboard and basic reliability of the design. For those who don't know the company who designed and built the original sidekick phones "Sharp" came out with a new phone on at&t that looks similar to the older sidekick designs. Its also touch screen and has android. I havnt really looked at the specs on it tho. Just know it exists.
For now ill use this phone till it falls apart only because I can't afford a new one and T-Mobile has me by the balls on contract :-/ untill there's some kind of breakthrough with this phone I think I'm done posting on here till I get my next android device.
Id like to thank those who deserve it for helping me and the community
Ay0teddy, sduvik, xmeatizmurderx and even revolution for his efforts in trying to keep things going.
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yeah iv seen that phone by sharp, the sharp fx. i immedietly thought of the old sidekick slide. i agree with you though kinda sucks, but im just glad we have any devs at all.

Actually the sidekick slide was the only one not made by sharp it was made by motorola.
yoyowhatup22 said:
yeah iv seen that phone by sharp, the sharp fx. i immedietly thought of the old sidekick slide. i agree with you though kinda sucks, but im just glad we have any devs at all.
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The sidekick was my first android phone an I am sad that more devs haven't seen this phone as the new G1 but at the same time i'm happy with the devs we have that are trying to learn new things an make better roms for our phones. I myself am also on contract with tmobile so it will be a while before i can upgrade my sidekick for another phone (maybe a galaxy note even if it means no 3g or 4g) Currently for stability i've been using a spare xperia x10 mini pro (loaded with miniCMpro an phone cost me $125 after shipping) an its a breath of fresh air not having the phone reboot at random or fcing in the background without showing whats going wrong though i do miss having least 2g speeds (running on edge on this phone) but I do hope one day the devs we have or a new one finds a way to bring our phone from being a unloved child to being a phone to be desired

hey
yea i got rid of my sidekick 4g i have a galaxy s device now and im loveing it the way i did was called tmobile and demanded that i speak to the loyalty department and demanded a new phone because of the issues or i was leaving and they basically gave me a 600 dollar phone for 99.99 dollars 50 rebate and theirs a lot of dev going on for this phone that i got now you can take the warranty route and exchange your device three times than get another device free its called warranty exchange and since its a 4g phone you have the option of getting another 4g phone but they choose it for u its overnight shipping so you basically HAVE to have insurrance in order for it to be 5 bucks with each exchange or otherwise you pay 20 bucks for each exchange without insurrance if it all works out go to gazelle.com and sell your sidekick they gave me 80 for it

Bye. Can't say I care.

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Bye. Can't say I care.
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Hey, at least he/she thanked the devs... it might have taken a page and a half to get there, with a review of opinions everyone has already said and/or read.
I must admit though, I do feel that the earth stopped rotating for a moment upon this announcement. hehehe
i kid-i kid

While development and upgrades to Gingerbread may be non-existant (for now), the users on this community have brought out the best in my phone. I had the same outlook as you did soon after buying this phone and seeing that there wasn't a) A gingerbread update already available (seeing as how the phone was released in March and I got mine last month), and b) It didn't look like Gingerbread or ICS weren't going to be available anytime in the near future. Even with Fryo this phone still has a lot to offer. Revolution's ICS Domination ROM gave my phone new life and a new modem brought my down/up speeds up exponentialy.
I have hope that eventually we will see a Gingerbread update (or even ICS) since this phones specs aren't too differnt from that of the Nexus S. But if not, I'm still glad I chose to get a Sidekick one last time.

I'm giving up too we just gotta wait the devs got our bacl!
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Once we get gingerbread , i'll be working on ICS .

Once again I look on xda and find a small amount of dev work being done I'm glad people still are holding on to this device. It makes me happy. I came back after this post for a brief time because of new roms but wound up going back to an older rom after difficulties. I know most of you left here are new to this device but I wanted to let everyone know once again I'm leaving my sk4g. I will be moving to the HTC Amaze 4g forums one of my good friends got a new rezound and let me have her amaze for free ^_^ once I root it I will be switching my daily driver to that. I hope to see this phone someday get the respect it should have from the inital release. Thank you to all devs who prooved that this phone wasn't just a little toy for text addicted teens and actually could have been brought to greatness if it weren't for t-mobile dropping support. Also if we ever get gingerbread, ice cream sandwich or jellybean to run on the sk4g would someone please pm me and let me know I would love to see it ^_^ untill then goodbye all and once again a big thanx to all the devs who keep this section of xda from going into the inactive threads pile with all other discontinued phones ^_^
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azcledel said:
Once again I look on xda and find a small amount of dev work being done I'm glad people still are holding on to this device. It makes me happy. I came back after this post for a brief time because of new roms but wound up going back to an older rom after difficulties. I know most of you left here are new to this device but I wanted to let everyone know once again I'm leaving my sk4g. I will be moving to the HTC Amaze 4g forums one of my good friends got a new rezound and let me have her amaze for free ^_^ once I root it I will be switching my daily driver to that. I hope to see this phone someday get the respect it should have from the inital release. Thank you to all devs who prooved that this phone wasn't just a little toy for text addicted teens and actually could have been brought to greatness if it weren't for t-mobile dropping support. Also if we ever get gingerbread, ice cream sandwich or jellybean to run on the sk4g would someone please pm me and let me know I would love to see it ^_^ untill then goodbye all and once again a big thanx to all the devs who keep this section of xda from going into the inactive threads pile with all other discontinued phones ^_^
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No problem. I myself have switched DD's, but still support this phone highly. Regardless, I wish you the best of luck. The SGSII is an amazing phone, and I hope the Amaze4G is just as well. If you're finally done with the SK4G, you could look into sending it do bhundven as he is a recognized developer as such I'm sure he can do wonderful things and teach us things we never knew. After he's done creating and testing and he gets his own (soon) he will send it back. Please get in contact with him.
If I at any point decide to leave the SK4G (which isn't in my immediate future but who knows) I will send it to the developer who DOES NOT have one or is not capable of getting one -- to keep.

TheLastSidekick said:
No problem. I myself have switched DD's, but still support this phone highly. Regardless, I wish you the best of luck. The SGSII is an amazing phone, and I hope the Amaze4G is just as well. If you're finally done with the SK4G, you could look into sending it do bhundven as he is a recognized developer as such I'm sure he can do wonderful things and teach us things we never knew. After he's done creating and testing and he gets his own (soon) he will send it back. Please get in contact with him.
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TLS, that was very nice to ask that! If azcledel feels that he does not want to "give up" his sk4g, but instead loan it to me for 2 weeks, I would be happy to pay shipping to and from me.
The device would be returned in the same condition as I received it.
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If I at any point decide to leave the SK4G (which isn't in my immediate future but who knows) I will send it to the developer who DOES NOT have one or is not capable of getting one -- to keep.
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The question goes to you as well, If you are using your sgs2 as your DD, why not send me yours?
You will get it back in two weeks, and possibly have cm7 or better running on it

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TLS, that was very nice to ask that! If azcledel feels that he does not want to "give up" his sk4g, but instead loan it to me for 2 weeks, I would be happy to pay shipping to and from me.
The device would be returned in the same condition as I received it.
The question goes to you as well, If you are using your sgs2 as your DD, why not send me yours?
You will get it back in two weeks, and possibly have cm7 or better running on it
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I would gladly if you were to pay shipping (I'm a broke ass college student with no job) haha. You ARE a recognized developer. I trust you.
PM me on here if you're up for it. I'm going to be at college nearly all day so I won't be able to even send it at least until tomorrow. (My day off).

I will concider sending it once I get access to a pc to root my amaze but I'm not sure I want to give it up yet the amaze is a dual core running a fresh stock ics 4.0.3 with sense 3.6 it all depends on what I can do to it and how I like it. I don't like not having a full querty keyboard but the touch screen issues and lack of ram on the sk4g is why I am concidering switching in the first place also the "free" part helped a lot lol I'm broke myself and cant afford to upgrade. Who knows I may switch back to the sk4g and sell the amaze idk yet but will definetly keep it in mind.
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I will concider sending it once I get access to a pc to root my amaze but I'm not sure I want to give it up yet the amaze is a dual core running a fresh stock ics 4.0.3 with sense 3.6 it all depends on what I can do to it and how I like it. I don't like not having a full querty keyboard but the touch screen issues and lack of ram on the sk4g is why I am concidering switching in the first place also the "free" part helped a lot lol I'm broke myself and cant afford to upgrade. Who knows I may switch back to the sk4g and sell the amaze idk yet but will definetly keep it in mind.
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Woah! Don't sell the Amaze 4G, it's..well...amazing! But yeah, just because it's 4.0.3 doesn't mean anything. You can find stable builds of 4.0.4 and 4.1.1 with Sense UI removed -- (if you want it that way) I got my GS II and like, 3 days later 4.0.4 officially came out with a newer radio too. But yeah, I understand the feeling of not wanting to consider dropping the SK4G in anyway (after all, it was and is my first Android smartphone and the first for which I've maintained a ROM for...) regardless, I'll admit to only buying the phone for 2 reasons...I was a teenager when the Sidekick was BOOMING around middle school and high school, and the price was so damn budget I had to get it.

Well so far I'm digging the amaze still hate not having a 5 row physical keyboard but the dev teams seem pretty informed we have ppl working on porting cyanogen mod 10 and jellybean. Right now I'm running a Rom with 4.0.3 had one running 4.0.4 but had problems sending/RECEIVING mms so I SWITCHED back. Ics is awesome but way different than gingerbread and our Frito that we've been plagued with. Just felt like updating you guys seeing as this is where my whole xda/android experience started. Here's a couple screen shots of the Rom I'm currently running.
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Well so far I'm digging the amaze still hate not having a 5 row physical keyboard but the dev teams seem pretty informed we have ppl working on porting cyanogen mod 10 and jellybean. Right now I'm running a Rom with 4.0.3 had one running 4.0.4 but had problems sending/RECEIVING mms so I SWITCHED back. Ics is awesome but way different than gingerbread and our Frito that we've been plagued with. Just felt like updating you guys seeing as this is where my whole xda/android experience started. Here's a couple screen shots of the Rom I'm currently running.
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Lol yeah we're pretty much in the sameboat. I love my phone, we have an almost done version of CM10 / AOKP Jelly Bean ported.

Goodbye sk4g lol its over in my book. The devs over on the HTC Amaze 4G section got CM10 working with data today jellybean is soooo smooth. I'm never going back to the sk4g now. Tho if CM 7 gets up and working I will break it out just to update it. Good luck guys I'll still check here every now and then tho.
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azcledel said:
Goodbye sk4g lol its over in my book. The devs over on the HTC Amaze 4G section got CM10 working with data today
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What's the point of comparing QWERTY Sidekick with a typical touchphone?.. There are over 9000 of them, many with JB.

ICS from HTC later this year

according to facebook page
says for desire HD which is very similar to inspire right?

Yes it is. I'm sure once it's out for the Desire HD, all the devs that use that base (like Android Revolution HD) will be working on getting it to the Inspire. All we can do is wait.

The problem ATT took the inspire from there inventory so no ics for us...
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slocav said:
The problem ATT took the inspire from there inventory so no ics for us...
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S-OFF will solve all your worries. The Desire HD was a high-end phone for HTC, they won't abandon it for at least 2 years. The last version of ICS is probably where updates will end, or it might get a single update that will get it to Android 5.0. Any more is unreasonable.

I keep hearing that AT&T took it out of inventory, but when did that actually happen? I bought my inspire only 2 weeks ago, and while it was from a RadioShack, as a former employee I don't remember there stock ever being that far behind

Considering they just had a sale on the inspire I think they still have them
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Any HTC ICS phone is needed.... We need Sence for ICS and that can be taken from any HTC phone.

just recently saw a bunch of ATT ads for buying the inspire or the infuse for 1 penny. Id love ics from htc, not because its worth a damn from them but because of what the devs here can do with that.

Making it seem like they pulled it from the inventory is probably just some marketing scheme. They make it seem like this phone is no longer available after the public wants it and them BAM! buy it for valentines day in the red color and for cheap too. If I was a person wanting a phone I'd jump on that. Its just a big game they are playing. And personally I don't care if ATT sends the update out or not. Thats why I came to this site. To get the most out of my phone and that means I can update it and not have to worry or wait for ATT lol cause we all know they aren't the fastest person in the race.

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Making it seem like they pulled it from the inventory is probably just some marketing scheme. They make it seem like this phone is no longer available after the public wants it and them BAM! buy it for valentines day in the red color and for cheap too. If I was a person wanting a phone I'd jump on that. Its just a big game they are playing. And personally I don't care if ATT sends the update out or not. Thats why I came to this site. To get the most out of my phone and that means I can update it and not have to worry or wait for ATT lol cause we all know they aren't the fastest person in the race.
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exactly. and as far as ICS goes, by the time it actually comes out we wont care anymore. same with GB by the time it was released we were way past that.

I personally DGAF about the HTC roms. They are always bloaty and generally slow. I try to use open sourced roms because I dislike proprietary software. Updates are few and far between, etc. sure sense looks good, but I'd rather go for the Android look anyway
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tiditidi70 said:
I personally DGAF about the HTC roms. They are always bloaty and generally slow. I try to use open sourced roms because I dislike proprietary software. Updates are few and far between, etc. sure sense looks good, but I'd rather go for the Android look anyway
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Can we please beat this into our heads, because I'm getting frustrated having to scream this from high heaven to get anyone to listen.
HTC releasing an official ICS ROM for our phone is incredibly important because the kernel source and files will make running any ROM on our phones for ICS that much easier, it doesn't matter whether it's a Sense or AOSP ROM. All the bugs and glitches in any ICS ROM will be mostly fixed by kernel source and drivers.

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Can we please beat this into our heads, because I'm getting frustrated having to scream this from high heaven to get anyone to listen.
HTC releasing an official ICS ROM for our phone is incredibly important because the kernel source and files will make running any ROM on our phones for ICS that much easier, it doesn't matter whether it's a Sense or AOSP ROM. All the bugs and glitches in any ICS ROM will be mostly fixed by kernel source and drivers.
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Your right once the Source for the official version is posted all the issues with ICS right now will be gone. The kernel source will fix the camera issues and most of the other issues present in ICS roms that we all see right now. Take the camera. The Video recording bug will most likely not be fixed until the source is released from HTC. Then you will see most if not all roms move over to ICS

Hunt3r.j2 said:
Can we please beat this into our heads, because I'm getting frustrated having to scream this from high heaven to get anyone to listen.
HTC releasing an official ICS ROM for our phone is incredibly important because the kernel source and files will make running any ROM on our phones for ICS that much easier, it doesn't matter whether it's a Sense or AOSP ROM. All the bugs and glitches in any ICS ROM will be mostly fixed by kernel source and drivers.
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yup. This is the only reason I'm gunning for the official release also. My phone runs so much smoother without HTC sense. So does my fathers captivate without touchwiz. But we definitely need those essential functions such as proper camera.

shugga101 said:
Making it seem like they pulled it from the inventory is probably just some marketing scheme. They make it seem like this phone is no longer available after the public wants it and them BAM! buy it for valentines day in the red color and for cheap too.
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The more probable explanation is that the phone is getting to end-of-life and they're looking to blow out inventory to lock in customers and hit their unit volume contractual commitment with HTC.

That's great news! It will not take long for the developers to mod that for the inspire.

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That's great news! It will not take long for the developers to mod that for the inspire.
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About 30 minutes....LOL

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The more probable explanation is that the phone is getting to end-of-life and they're looking to blow out inventory to lock in customers and hit their unit volume contractual commitment with HTC.
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good reason to get in financial position to buy phones outright and then not ever be locked into phone contracts (if only being out of x-yr contract would get a discounted rate)

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good reason to get in financial position to buy phones outright and then not ever be locked into phone contracts (if only being out of x-yr contract would get a discounted rate)
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Yeah, there's some wisdom to that. I used to do it that way myself for years with a Kaiser and HD2, but since I'm going to be needing a data plan anyway, and don't see a reason to switch from AT&T, I figure for my purposes it's hard to conjure a compelling reason to spend $500 or more on a phone if the carrier will subsidize me for what I was going to do anyway. :screwy:
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good reason to get in financial position to buy phones outright and then not ever be locked into phone contracts (if only being out of x-yr contract would get a discounted rate)
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Ugh. No kidding. I'm stuck with AT&T right now, and hate it. Even with the grandfathered data plan, they'll throttle you down to nearly dialup speeds if you use too much data within a billing cycle. If it weren't for the contact and having to pay that exorbitant freaking termination fee, I would've already told AT&T to piss up a rope and switched to Sprint.

Please convince me not to get the official ICS update

This is one of my more stupid posts, I admit.
I need someone to convince me *not* to undo whatever is necessary in order to install a stock HTC ROM so that I can get the official OTA ICS release as an OTA update (now available for TMoUS Sensation owners, I believer).
For some months now I've greatly enjoyed playing with any number of ROMs, changing firmware, tryings mods and so on. In fact, I've got a nicotine-like addiction to flashing ROMs. After a nice meal, I like to change ROMs on my phone. When I get home from work, I enjoy relaxing with a new ROM. That sort of thing.
But now I'm starting to want to put everything in reverse so that I can have HTC or TMoUS or whoever update my phone from stock GB+Sense to stock ICS+Sense.
I need somebody to persuade me not to do that and to assure me that I'm better off as I am, freely sampling any and all sorts of custom ROMs, most of which perform better than stock, anyway.
Wow, what a geek I've become! And I used to be so normal ....
Thanks.

A. Embrace the stock lifestyle where your phone is what it is until htc & tmo say you can change it. You run the risk of loosing root. Ifyou try to go back to S-ON (you S-OFF?) you run the risk of bricking.
B. Stay rooted. Install a stock+rooted ICS rom and you'll have basically the same thing minus wifi calling with the option to change roms if stock sucks.

varxx said:
This is one of my more stupid posts, I admit.
I need someone to convince me *not* to undo whatever is necessary in order to install a stock HTC ROM so that I can get the official OTA ICS release as an OTA update (now available for TMoUS Sensation owners, I believer).
For some months now I've greatly enjoyed playing with any number of ROMs, changing firmware, tryings mods and so on. In fact, I've got a nicotine-like addiction to flashing ROMs. After a nice meal, I like to change ROMs on my phone. When I get home from work, I enjoy relaxing with a new ROM. That sort of thing.
But now I'm starting to want to put everything in reverse so that I can have HTC or TMoUS or whoever update my phone from stock GB+Sense to stock ICS+Sense.
I need somebody to persuade me not to do that and to assure me that I'm better off as I am, freely sampling any and all sorts of custom ROMs, most of which perform better than stock, anyway.
Wow, what a geek I've become! And I used to be so normal ....
Thanks.
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Sounds like you do have a serious addiction. Tried joining Flashers Anonymous? LOL!
Not sure if I can convince you not to undo your deeds and return to the stock flock just to get official ICS. If "official" doesn't matter much to you, you'll be better off as a flasher. For one, custom ROMs are more up-to-date than official ROMs. In the case of my Sensation XE, for example, it never received any upgrade (from HTC) to any Android version beyond 2.3.5--and this was at a time that many other phones already had Android 2.3.6, or better yet, 2.3.7.
Now I have ICS (Android 4.0.3) on my Sensation XE. But, Google just released Android 4.0.4. I can only imagine how long it will take for HTC to send me that. And, I'm sure custom ROM developers are already swooping in on 4.0.4 as we speak.
But, if "official" is big for you, then you can go for it. If not for the warranty or for the presumed stability of "official" firmware, then at least for the thrill of being able to undo what you have done. If the official updates leave a bad taste in your mouth, you can always go back to your old flashing habits. And, that, too, would be thrilling, I suppose.

My first experience in rooting was paying someone to hack the original Iphone, so that I could use my tmobile sim card. Since then I have rooted 2 galaxy tabs, 4 my touch 4g's and my own sensation, installing roms, learning adb commands etc. I can honestly say that in every instance all the devices ran far better with a custom, non-official rom. I received a replacement mytouch 4g for warranty repair and could not believe how slow and buggy it was when I received it with the official software and update.

Thanks, guys. I'm feeling better already.
I guess the analogy with nicotine wasn't quite accurate.
Here's a better analogy. A few months ago I finally broke up with a not-so-hot girlfriend. Since then, I've been enjoying going out with all sorts of great women. Now I have a chance to get back together with the old girlfriend (I hear she has a new haircut, yo), and I'm feeling tempted to do it, I guess because she's just so familiar or something.
Anyway, I just needed a few of you to talk sense into me (no pun intended).
So, I'm staying with the freewheeling lifestyle of custom ROMs.
All for one and one for all, and all that good stuff ....
Geekward ho!

varxx said:
Thanks, guys. I'm feeling better already.
I guess the analogy with nicotine wasn't quite accurate.
Here's a better analogy. A few months ago I finally broke up with a not-so-hot girlfriend. Since then, I've been enjoying going out with all sorts of great women. Now I have a chance to get back together with the old girlfriend (I hear she has a new haircut, yo), and I'm feeling tempted to do it, I guess because she's just so familiar or something.
Anyway, I just needed a few of you to talk sense into me (no pun intended).
So, I'm staying with the freewheeling lifestyle of custom ROMs.
All for one and one for all, and all that good stuff ....
Geekward ho!
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This made me laugh It's so true!

Going back to stock is exactly like going back to that EX girlfriend, Except this time she's picked up Aids from 'Bob' who works at the local junk yard..
You might be curious to see what sleeping with an AIDS infested girl is like, But in the long run, your pinky will probably fall off...
Its the same as going back to stock..... People who have stock ROMs have no pinky.

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Going back to stock is exactly like going back to that EX girlfriend, Except this time she's picked up Aids from 'Bob' who works at the local junk yard..
You might be curious to see what sleeping with an AIDS infested girl is like, But in the long run, your pinky will probably fall off...
Its the same as going back to stock..... People who have stock ROMs have no pinky.
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I seriously.. SERIOUSLY wish I had a thanks to give you right now. I LoL'd at this

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Going back to stock is exactly like going back to that EX girlfriend, Except this time she's picked up Aids from 'Bob' who works at the local junk yard..
You might be curious to see what sleeping with an AIDS infested girl is like, But in the long run, your pinky will probably fall off...
Its the same as going back to stock..... People who have stock ROMs have no pinky.
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haahhaah thts to explicit but F....King FUNNY... thAnked for the laugh

Not surprisingly, after reading through this thread, any temptation I was feeling to go back to stock has completely vanished.
Thanks!