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So I convince my sisters husband to trade in his iphone 3Gs for an HTC Desire HD. Within a week he is selling it on ebay, siteing very weak battery performance, poor multitouch implementation and general Lag as the main issues. He's actually gone back the 3GS.
I am an android fan an user. But while the poll seems to suggest the Desire HD is the best android phone of the year personally I disagree. The battery life on this device is absolutely appalling. Whats the point in having all those features when you MUST disable pretty much all connectivity/widgets etc to get a days use out of it? Personally I think it's poor engineering on HTC'S part. This in my mind shows a lack of thought as well on HTC's part.
How is it also that a device with the most ram on the market and one of the most capable CPU's is still laggy? I've seen it myself, it does pale in comparison to an iphone 4. And the multitouch implementation is also not as smooth. Now these issues wouldn't bother me as much because I love the android platform but for regular more superficial consumers who aren't looking to hack their device (like my sstsres husband) these are obvious problems and perceived as a direct indication of the superiority of apple devices.
I used to be an HTC fan but I am now becoming skeptical. My next android device will almost certainly not run sense UI as I think it is a contributing LAG factor and provides little actual benefit due to the Weak battery performance on most high end HTC devices.
So can anyone explain to me why all high end android devices are considerably more laggy and the UI's less fluid than the Iphone 4 and even the 3GS? Is it the software coding? Graphics engine? Manufacturer specific optimizations? The platform as a whole? Multi tasking? Hardware/Software integration? The way the transitions are implemented?
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So can anyone explain to me why all high end android devices are considerably more laggy and the UI's less fluid than the Iphone 4 and even the 3GS? Is it the software coding? Graphics engine? Manufacturer specific optimizations? The platform as a whole? Multi tasking? Hardware/Software integration? The way the transitions are implemented?
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I hate I can't be of assistance but I have not experienced lag on my high-end android device.
I see lag and have a HTC Evo. It lags while scrolling through web pages and it lags while scrolling through the apps. This is because of the Android OS. Open up system panel and scroll up and down in the open apps and watch the cpu spike to almost 100%...WTF. This is what causes the stuttery look. It's not smooth at all compared to the Iphone.
So can anyone explain to me why all high end android devices are considerably more laggy and the UI's less fluid than the Iphone 4 and even the 3GS? Is it the software coding? Graphics engine? Manufacturer specific optimizations? The platform as a whole? Multi tasking? Hardware/Software integration? The way the transitions are implemented?
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The software isn't coded to efficiently offload to the GPU.
Dalvik isn't as great as other VM implementations (like .NET CF, I'm not sure if Apple uses a VM implementation - I have used, but never owned, an iOS device).
Manufacturer additions can clog the device up.
Also, Location services running in the background (even with GPS off) use your Cell Radio - draining battery. C2DM is nice and all, but most applications are coded also to work with 2.1 devices and tend to fail at choosing which one to use exclusively on FroYo devices. This leads to more battery drain.
Widgets use too much battery power. They need something similar to Live Tiles or PUSH-based updating instead of polling for widgets. If Google would develop decent stock Widgets, we'd be less dependent on these battery draining third-party or manufacturer widgets.
Most Android phones poll for Facebook/Twitter/etc. updates at specified intervals, using up battery. In addition, the Official (and third-party) Facebook/Twitter apps poll alongside the Android integrations, using up double the amount of battery power needed to update 2-4+ separate entities with the same data. Manufacturers should just integrate the official apps, instead of making redundant integrations into the base system. Waste of resources and battery power.
The base Android system is simply less efficient than something like Symbian when it comes to conserving data and Android developers generally don't worry about these types of things until after their applications are released, and it can take them months to remedy the issues due to the inefficiencies in the code, etc.
Akulamenuri said:
I hate I can't be of assistance but I have not experienced lag on my high-end android device.
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Then don't respond.
Thanks N8ter, nice for someone to finally shed some light on the subject. Really think they need to address some of these issues, especially if they are to change the mainstreams perceptions of the OS.
Any chance this little update's gonna help you think?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jx3pdWBlZ34&feature=player_embedded
I've yet to see any great lag on my Desire Z.
Sure, it can lag from times. But usually doesn't. This is probably because of OC and using a non-rosie rom.
Using a non-sense rom would help even more, as Sense itself causes lag.
I don't get lag on my gt540.
And thats a low end phone running 2.1.
Why you getting lag?
Well,it's mostly due to lack of UI hardware acceleration.The iCrap had it first because Apple needs to develop their OS for only one piece of hardware,which means it can be optimized in every possible way.Android and other platforms(although I think WP7 also has hardware acceleration) lack this and all of the UI is for the CPU to handle.Software rendering is zip compared to hardware,as GPUs are far more powerful than CPUs,they just use a limited instruction set,but they need no compiler.
Hope I helped!
It's a serious design flaw the needs to be addressed. Use the GPU, Luke! It feels awful using an Android handset, especially if you come from the perfect (albeit "limited" in some respects) world of another platform (I don't want to mention its name here). This problem completely shatters the user-experience.
If you, like millions of others, want to see this design flaw addressed, then cast your vote here:
(I can't post links, just search for "Android Issue 6914" - should be the first result).
Also, looks like Samsung are doing something about it with their latest Android 2.2.1 update that should be hitting the UK soon:
(again, can't post links, go to YouTube and tack this on the end of the URL: "watch?v=JpH3oX9RhIE").
(Youtube: watch?v=MkZZXeF5uV8)
At the moment, "Android" in synonymous with "lag" and "sluggishness". The above YouTube links of 2.2.1 on the Galaxy S show Android the way nature intended it to run! They show that things can be different, and we don't have to suffer that shame and embarrassment of sub-standard UI performance that's a far second to (you know who)!!
I for one am hoping Samsung's example with 2.2.1 is a sign of things to come (I've been hoping this for over 2 years now - sigh...).
I hope so as well. Lay is a major issue and to me waste battery life.
I get no lag with my vibrant even with little storage left.
I rarely ever get lag, only time I have on my Inc is when I downloaded an app that didn't agree with the phone.
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Had no lag on my Nexus One with Froyo or now with Gingerbread.
galaxys said:
Had no lag on my Nexus One with Froyo or now with Gingerbread.
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Go try the Microbes LWP. You'll soon see it
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Go try the Microbes LWP. You'll soon see it
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HaHa! I'll take your word on that one and stick with my stable rom...for now
Samsung Fascinate. No lag. Battery about the same as an iPhone unless put through rigorous usage. Amazing screen / multitouch.
Screw HTC.
Samsung Fascinate, Verizon
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I guess you guys have less than 50 apps..I understand..really.
On my at this point low powered Eris I'm running with sense and have 60 apps installed with almost no lag
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I have 104 ..
My dad is using a stock Mytouch 4G and I noticed some lag when I was playing around with it, and we've only had our phones for about a month . I am running CM7 RC2 on mine and I think it's safe to say that sense is what causes a good part of the lag. I think GPU acceleration is what is needed to keep android from running dry due to laggy devices. I know a couple of people who immediatly opted to get the iPhone over android because the devices were faster.
I am torn between the Samsung Focus and Samsung Captivate. I like the look of WP7, but I also like the rich features of Android. I have tried out both, and honestly I like the WP7 interface and keyboard better. I am 14 so I do lots of texting and the WP7 keyboard beats Android's by a long shot, but I like the widgets and general openness of Android. Can you give me any suggestions?
Well, I also had the decision between Android and WP7. I took WP7 because Android felt a bit laggy =/ Windows Phone 7 looks simple but is very stable and there are lots of features (and the next Update will bring about 500 new ones).
I had to choose between WP7 and Android 6 month ago. I took a WP7 (an Omnia 7 because Bouygues Telecom didn't have the HTC 7 Mozart that I wanted).
I made my choice for the UI of WP7, very simple, all apps have the same UI, and no complicated non-intuitive menus. But I can't share contacts via Bluetooth or use my phone like USB-key; Generally this actions happen rarely but I see and use Metro UI and Metro UI apps every days.
I hope that my English will be good enough.
I am having HTC desire, just ordered HTC Mozart, android though good but is very laggy sometimes with horrible battery life, hope Mozart has better battery, the WP7 UI is good and simple am amazed with new features coming in Mango
I used WP7 for 3 months. Liked it very much but limitations made me crazy. It was LG Optimus 7.
Than I took SE Arc and man that's awesome. Android is miles ahead, whatever WP7 offers. And you know, battery life is a myth now. Arc is working even longer on one charge than WP7 device. As well as lagginess, it's also a myth now.
However it's a matter of personal choices.
And be careful, this thread can turn into war soon
WP7 of course!
Even had a SGS 2 for two weeks but was really disappointed with Android.. so i just bought a WP7 phone and im not chaning back anytime soon! All the features im missing will get fixed in Mango so.. =)
WP7 for me
Hi Laura331,
I originally chose Android and purchased an entry level ZTE Blade handset (also known as the orange San Fransisco) and was not very pleased with the supplied O/S so i decided to root it and run the Cyanogen mod. It was nice looking and functional but it did lag quite a bit and then i found that one of the cyanogen mod updates had a virus written into it and that my telephone bill went through the roof due to a rogue auto dial application, needless to say the device was wiped and i started again with the Japanese Jellyfish mod (also nice looking but performance was worse than Cyanogen)
After all this i was of the opinion that Android is much the same as the old WM6.5. Choose a ROM, Build, squash bugs, wait for decreased performance, wipe and repeat.
Now i still have the Blade but sorry Dom (above) i have to disagree about the resolution of the bugs that i am still seeing with every Android rom, maybe its the entry level handset. However if that is the case the argument for better hardware being needed to run Android rings true.
Anyway i then bought an HD7 and although there were a few important things missing for me i have found that i can quite easily use it as a daily driver, its smooth, literally bug free (no restarts or ROM wipes) and is very tactile, infact its everything that WM6.5 and Android isnt. Add to this the plethora of tweaks and improvments coming with Mango and you have a mature O/S (that has hit the scene amazingly quickly) almost at a par with the years old and very experienced apple iOS, i fear Android may be running to catchup sooner than expected.
Either way my personal preference is the WP7 O/S but i suggest you try both handsets and utilise the 30 day cool down period with each handset to properly make your decision.
Kind Regards,
Creamy
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Hi Laura331,
Now i still have the Blade but sorry Dom (above) i have to disagree about the resolution of the bugs that i am still seeing with every Android rom, maybe its the entry level handset. However if that is the case the argument for better hardware being needed to run Android rings true.
Creamy
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Without a doubt these problems exist. But as you pointed, Android exists on so many different devices, also on phones with lower specs which are ALWAYS quite buggy/laggy and much worse in performance. You have no idea how WP7 or iOS would behave in those circumstances just because there is no comparison. There is a reason why 1st gen WP7 had such strict hardware limitations.
As for speed - SE Arc is exactly the same hardware as WP7 but it's even snappier.
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Without a doubt these problems exist. But as you pointed, Android exists on so many different devices, also on phones with lower specs which are ALWAYS quite buggy/laggy and much worse in performance. You have no idea how WP7 or iOS would behave in those circumstances just because there is no comparison. There is a reason why 1st gen WP7 had such strict hardware limitations.
As for speed - SE Arc is exactly the same hardware as WP7 but it's even snappier.
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Sorry, I'm going to have to stop you there.
I had an Arc (got it with my contract) along with my Omnia 7(bought it loose before), and it is not smoother than my Omnia.
While you can argue that Android has more functionality, WP7 is just smoother and far more pleasant to use (for me, IMO).
doministry said:
Without a doubt these problems exist. But as you pointed, Android exists on so many different devices, also on phones with lower specs which are ALWAYS quite buggy/laggy and much worse in performance. You have no idea how WP7 or iOS would behave in those circumstances just because there is no comparison. There is a reason why 1st gen WP7 had such strict hardware limitations.
As for speed - SE Arc is exactly the same hardware as WP7 but it's even snappier.
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SE Arc has not the same hardware, it has a MSM8255 and WP7 has a QSD8250
45nm vs 65nm and Adreno 205 vs Adreno 200 (205 is a GPU 2x faster than the 200)
if you want lag on your phone on a regular basis, android is your best bet.
all that lag on android is now a myth, is a myth.
...if you like to spend hours fiddling with your phone, flashing, tweaking, than Android is your best choice. If you like something smooth and easy to use, with maybe for the time being a little less functions, then I recommend WP7....
I used to be a WM "power user", the todays equivalent of Android, flashing and customizing whatever I could get hands on, but I now enjoy the relaxing smoothness of my HTC Mozart, just doing what I need, right out of the box....
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...if you like to spend hours fiddling with your phone, flashing, tweaking, than Android is your best choice. If you like something smooth and easy to use, with maybe for the time being a little less functions, then I recommend WP7....
I used to be a WM "power user", the todays equivalent of Android, flashing and customizing whatever I could get hands on, but I now enjoy the relaxing smoothness of my HTC Mozart, just doing what I need, right out of the box....
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I kept my Blade for flashing and playing with O/S's as that is what Android is best at, however if the stock ROM's do not improve significantly (for all android hardware) Android will be viewed by many as an alternative to WM6.5 not WP7.
It will never be my daily driver due to the virus i had, potentailly compromised open source apps without a decent antivirus (which will no doubt crucify the O/S and HW) cannot be trusted.
I guess there is an advantage to closed source
Regards,
Creamy
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Sorry, I'm going to have to stop you there.
I had an Arc (got it with my contract) along with my Omnia 7(bought it loose before), and it is not smoother than my Omnia.
While you can argue that Android has more functionality, WP7 is just smoother and far more pleasant to use (for me, IMO).
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Yes but equally WP7 is slooower in many areas like scrolling for instance.
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SE Arc has not the same hardware, it has a MSM8255 and WP7 has a QSD8250
45nm vs 65nm and Adreno 205 vs Adreno 200 (205 is a GPU 2x faster than the 200)
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Okay thanks for correction.
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Yes but equally WP7 is slooower in many areas like scrolling for instance.
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Scrolling??
Are you sure young man? Android scrolling is an abomination in comparison with WP7, infact i think it was the smoothness of operational functionality like scrolling that Xylias was referring to.
Regards,
Creamy
To the OP, Doministry is correct to say you should check out both and go with what you prefer, the ony caveat to that is that any WP7 you try right now does not have Mango which will add a ton of new features to WP7 in a couple of months time.
laura331 said:
I am torn between the Samsung Focus and Samsung Captivate. I like the look of WP7, but I also like the rich features of Android. I have tried out both, and honestly I like the WP7 interface and keyboard better. I am 14 so I do lots of texting and the WP7 keyboard beats Android's by a long shot, but I like the widgets and general openness of Android. Can you give me any suggestions?
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I have Vibrant which is related to captive an these has to be the best phones out there an there almost a year old the gpu blows anything out there out of the water an u can flash roms which makes it feel like u have a new phone every time an android is pretty smooth even do it doesn't have hardware acceleration an really wp7 is boring :-/ an future look dim an android has ics coming which is gonna add hardware acceleration also app store sucks actually my friend had WP7 an he brought it back 2 days later to get droid X
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Don't get the captivate. I rather you suffer WP7 limitations. However if you could afford a SGS2 or a HTC Sensation 4g, go for it . No lag, twice as smooth, no restrictions, better apps, real multi player games, docstogo which is pawning unreleased mango office. On the HTC you can even remove bloat without root, and it has the HTC hub.
No need to flash roms or fiddle with your phone. Unless you want to, you have the option.
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I have a vibrant. Had a HD7.
Valid arguments can be made in either direction so, ultimately, it comes down to personal taste. What do you want from your phone?
I personally feel that, compared to WP7, Android is "boring". We've had static icons since the days of Windows 3.1. Aside from Live Tiles, there is so much built into the OS that just works right out of the box...and works well. Apps will come, if that's your thing, but i wouldn't base your purchase on that.
WP7 offers a very fluid experience and does it with style. Just about everything that other phones can do will be there soon except it will be in a different context. One that i find to be new and exciting.
I'm not saying "Android Sux" or anything as it does have it's merits, it just wasn't for me. Just more "same old same old".
Here is the inevitable question, given yesterday's event. I have been researching and it seems the tech requirements for ICS are the same as those for Gingerbread. Of course, given how Gingerbread has been very heavy on the Milestone, I know that even a moderate increase in tech requirements would be too much on the Milestone. But does it have a chance in any way? And can we backport some of the features (e.g. new Copy-Paste) to CM6 and CM7?
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Here is the inevitable question, given yesterday's event. I have been researching and it seems the tech requirements for ICS are the same as those for Gingerbread. Of course, given how Gingerbread has been very heavy on the Milestone, I know that even a moderate increase in tech requirements would be too much on the Milestone. But does it have a chance in any way? And can we backport some of the features (e.g. new Copy-Paste) to CM6 and CM7?
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I was waiting for someone to ask this ahah My guess is that when Cyanogen comes out with their version of ICS, Kabaldan or some other developer will try and port it to the milestone. Only time will tell...
Until the ICS source is published and reviewed, there can be no valid answers to such questions.
As Kabaldan noted, there's no way to know for sure until the sources are released, and that should take a little while still.
My guess: No, I don't think ICS is going to happen for the Milestone, at least not in an useful way. Along the history of Android releases, no matter what Google said about how a new release compares against an older release in resource usage, every new Android release always required a little bit more RAM than the release before: Froyo required more RAM than Eclair, but as long as you don't stuff your phone full with apps and you stick to a relatively "light" usage pattern, the Milestone still handled it pretty well. Then Gingerbread again required more RAM than Froyo, but now with Gingerbread we're really on the edge of what Milestone can handle - if you don't stick with a light usage pattern, you are sure to run into apps you need open being closed because of low RAM. I just can't see the situation improving, or even at best staying the same, with ICS.
I think a phone with at least 512Mb (like, say, SGS1 and many others released in the past year and a half) is most likely to be able to handle ICS with little downsides, but the Milestone obviously isn't in that league. The Milestone is a 2+ year old phone anyway.
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As Kabaldan noted, there's no way to know for sure until the sources are released, and that should take a little while still.
My guess: No, I don't think ICS is going to happen for the Milestone, at least not in an useful way. Along the history of Android releases, no matter what Google said about how a new release compares against an older release in resource usage, every new Android release always required a little bit more RAM than the release before: Froyo required more RAM than Eclair, but as long as you don't stuff your phone full with apps and you stick to a relatively "light" usage pattern, the Milestone still handled it pretty well. Then Gingerbread again required more RAM than Froyo, but now with Gingerbread we're really on the edge of what Milestone can handle - if you don't stick with a light usage pattern, you are sure to run into apps you need open being closed because of low RAM. I just can't see the situation improving, or even at best staying the same, with ICS.
I think a phone with at least 512Mb (like, say, SGS1 and many others released in the past year and a half) is most likely to be able to handle ICS with little downsides, but the Milestone obviously isn't in that league. The Milestone is a 2+ year old phone anyway.
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You never know. After all the point of Ics is to get all devices in the same version.
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You never know. After all the point of Ics is to get all devices in the same version.
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Emphasis mine. I think you're taking that statement, that you've probably heard from Google and other sources, out of context.
ICS is supposed to unify the codebase for the Android OS, yes - for different form factors, i.e. Tablets and Smartphones. And that's it. It's not a silver bullet that's supposed to cover ALL Android devices.
I see the SDK on RC14, give a try of course i'm pessimist too.. already with Ginger everytime i open an heavy app the home collapse for free usefull ram.
i think we should honestly start thinking of upgrading our phones... this phone is just far too ancient. It's like asking for iOS 4 or iOS5 on the iPhone 2G... Impossible...
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i think we should honestly start thinking of upgrading our phones... this phone is just far too ancient. It's like asking for iOS 4 or iOS5 on the iPhone 2G... Impossible...
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Some of us have contracts with our phone companies that don't end for another or two.
Physical limit sucks >.>, but agree with dmo... it's pointless trying to use Win 7 on P4 hardware single channel xD. About that RAZR is extremely sexy and got my attention... and i read an article where they point out the UK version could have bootloader unlocked , (and ICS update on mid 2012, but i rely on xda dev, like always and not direct support from M).
I'm sorry, but I gave up on my Milestone and bought a Galaxy S2.
For too long I've seen that the only major development this phone receives is through (very appreciated) kabaldan's work, and that's not acceptable.
Motorola abandoned this phone way too soon, yet at the same time refused to unlock it so that the skilled programmers stuck with this piece of hardware would be able to do something about it.
Not going to choose Motorola again anytime soon until they start giving their users the services appropriate to a smartphone (be it long term support or unlocked bootloaders).
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I'm sorry, but I gave up on my Milestone and bought a Galaxy S2.
For too long I've seen that the only major development this phone receives is through (very appreciated) kabaldan's work, and that's not acceptable.
Motorola abandoned this phone way too soon, yet at the same time refused to unlock it so that the skilled programmers stuck with this piece of hardware would be able to do something about it.
Not going to choose Motorola again anytime soon until they start giving their users the services appropriate to a smartphone (be it long term support or unlocked bootloaders).
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There are various other people who greatly contribute to the milestone modding community, and I'm sorry to hear that you don't understand that. Yes, while I too believe kabaldan has made some noteworthy and astounding contributions to the milestone modding community, he is not the only one and you should not just neglect the efforts of other developers.
Although I have to agree with you in the case that the motorola milestone's time to shine is over. While we can overclock the processor and apply various to achieve better performance, with the lack of ram and the inability to play most memory-intensive apps I do believe it is time for an upgrade. Finally, if I misinterpreted your comment, please let me know and I will try to change my comment accordingly.
Now about the Galaxy Nexus:
Although the Galaxy Nexus compared to a lot of the other competition seems to have underwhelming specs, it is still the first ice cream sandwich phone which Google and Samsung sat together which means that the hardware will be optimized for the software and also that the developer base would probably be extremely huge because of the number of consumers purchasing this product. ( I mean look at the Nexus One!) The only problem that I see with the Galaxy Nexus is that the GPU is 4 years outdated so it might not be the best phone to get but then again how many games do you really play on your phone? (I think the GPU is identical to the GPU in the Nexus S but apparently the processor is more-so tailored for multitasking and better performance, but not gaming)
Edit: Sorry for the partially irrelevant post :S
My milestone can barely run gingerbread, I have to use the less memory consuming apps for a semi-smooth phone, I don't think milestone can run ICS and if it does, it will be really slow
Android 4.0 Platform:
http://developer.android.com/sdk/android-4.0.html
Can we port a lite version of ICS to Milestone by remove some unnecessary features : NFC , Android Beam , Face Unlock ( because MS don't have font-facing camera) ?
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It is
But it runs Win 8 smoothly
That said, I think the modders will manage to make ICS usable on Milestone by removing some features and/or seperating vital processes from non-vital ones (like the Google Maps location service in latest CM7)
Even Windows 7 is smoother than Vista, and 8 seems to be lighter too.
Mi friends report me that iOS 5 runs better than 4 even on 3GS.
So we could have a good chance to port ICS with better results than GB on our MS.. finger crossed!!!
UPDATE! Romain Guy, renowned Android OS developer, just revealed that starting with 4.0, Ice Cream Sandwich, Android brings hardware accelerated 2D rendering to phones! Not just for tablets anymore This is great news for the Android community, and will only led to a smoother, and more efficient user experience. We won another one!
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http://www.androidannoyances.com/post/10
Maybe rip some needless features of ICS. It's just the hardware UI Acceleration that is important
milestone was a great phone, no doubt. the main problem is that the motorola customer service is terrible all around the world. in fact where im live hungary, the last motorola reseller closed permanently and the last customer service company moving out from the country, so the only option to take any motorola product to a bad repair service what is sending motorola phones to the closest service depo, like czeh republic. sometimes this is taking for 1-2 months.
this is happening many other country too, the only hope that google open their eyes and realise that not abandon the motorola brand (what is part of the big google branch now) and do something or else the motorola sooner or later going into the garbage.
i sold out my motorola, however i really like it, especially the hw keyboard, but i cant run many apps in recent days what i needed for my job, and my company buy for me a new phone. first i just retired my moto, packed to the original box nicely, but one of my friend told me that buy my milestone. in time i realise my new phone is so much faster than the moto was, that im not missed the greatest thing of the milestone: the hw keyboard.
so i decided to sell my milestone to my friend..
once again without Kabaldan this phone was a useless metal piece long time ago, so id like to thank you for all the hard work!
im with cm7 in my new phone, so cm7 always in my phone hearth
milestone is my first android phone ever and i never forget this!
I have an htc sensation and am extremely unhappy with the software support it has gotten. Not putting any blame on the devs, they have been great to us but the fact of the matter is that we are still on cm7 alphas, not even nightlies, and ics support is looking pretty bad. Kmobs has made some progress, so I'm going to wait a while to see what he has to offer along with whatever else the cm team gives us. And that's ignoring the hardware issues like poor reception and a shoddy screen (Ghosting and scan lines on an lcd made in 2011? seriously? That's ignoring the fact that my a** produces deeper blacks than this thing. I know it's an lcd, but come on! I swear to god I'm never buying an htc phone ever again).
Assuming that doesn't end well, would you guys recommend I "downgrade" to a nexus s? I wouldn't be able to afford a galaxy nexus (whenever the hell that launches on t-mobile, no way I import one) I could sell my sensation and get a used one for a pretty good price. Or should I just tough it out with my sensation and get a galaxy nexus when its second hand price drops?
Basically, what I'm asking is do you gs owners feel compelled to upgrade to the galaxy nexus or are you still content with your devices?
I'm happy with my phone as it is. Yeah, I could get a Galaxy Nexus if I wanted to pay for it outright, but there'll be another one next year, and there's nothing wrong with my NS. I wouldn't mind a Galaxy Nexus, but for me, my phone's doing what I need it to
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I'm happy with my phone as it is. Yeah, I could get a Galaxy Nexus if I wanted to pay for it outright, but there'll be another one next year, and there's nothing wrong with my NS. I wouldn't mind a Galaxy Nexus, but for me, my phone's doing what I need it to
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That's what really bothers me about the sensation, it doesn't do what I need it to do. HTC Sense is a complete mess imo, and cm7 (which is what I'm currently running) is incredibly buggy due to it still being an alpha. (the browser will crash about every tenth page you load) Thanks for the input.
gonintendo said:
I have an htc sensation and am extremely unhappy with the software support it has gotten. Not putting any blame on the devs, they have been great to us but the fact of the matter is that we are still on cm7 alphas, not even nightlies, and ics support is looking pretty bad. Kmobs has made some progress, so I'm going to wait a while to see what he has to offer along with whatever else the cm team gives us. And that's ignoring the hardware issues like poor reception and a shoddy screen (Ghosting and scan lines on an lcd made in 2011? seriously? That's ignoring the fact that my a** produces deeper blacks than this thing. I know it's an lcd, but come on! I swear to god I'm never buying an htc phone ever again).
Assuming that doesn't end well, would you guys recommend I "downgrade" to a nexus s? I wouldn't be able to afford a galaxy nexus (whenever the hell that launches on t-mobile, no way I import one) I could sell my sensation and get a used one for a pretty good price. Or should I just tough it out with my sensation and get a galaxy nexus when its second hand price drops?
Basically, what I'm asking is do you gs owners feel compelled to upgrade to the galaxy nexus or are you still content with your devices?
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your first mistake.. the nexus s is not a downgrade. not even close. just because it doesnt have a dual core cpu, doesnt mean anything. as a matter of fact, my nexus s doesnt know that it doesnt have a dual core, and im not telling it
i have a friend thats very disgruntled with his sensation also. and for pretty much the same reasons that you gave. the only thing that i can say to ease your pain is that morfic, the creator of the Trinity line of kernels(for the ns/ns4g), has just received a sensation to develop on. im hopeful that the sensation will be seeing some great kernels in not to long of a time span. so, heads up
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your first mistake.. the nexus s is not a downgrade. not even close. just because it doesnt have a dual core cpu, doesnt mean anything. as a matter of fact, my nexus s doesnt know that it doesnt have a dual core, and im not telling it
i have a friend thats very disgruntled with his sensation also. and for pretty much the same reasons that you gave. the only thing that i can say to ease your pain is that morfic, the creator of the Trinity line of kernels(for the ns/ns4g), has just received a sensation to develop on. im hopeful that the sensation will be seeing some great kernels in not to long of a time span. so, heads up
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lol, that's why I put downgrade in quotes, everything about the phone in terms of specs is worse than the sensation, but I think it's a better over all phone. Thanks for the heads up though, I'll definitely keep track of this this morfic guy.
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your first mistake.. the nexus s is not a downgrade. not even close. just because it doesnt have a dual core cpu, doesnt mean anything. as a matter of fact, my nexus s doesnt know that it doesnt have a dual core, and im not telling it
i have a friend thats very disgruntled with his sensation also. and for pretty much the same reasons that you gave. the only thing that i can say to ease your pain is that morfic, the creator of the Trinity line of kernels(for the ns/ns4g), has just received a sensation to develop on. im hopeful that the sensation will be seeing some great kernels in not to long of a time span. so, heads up
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I fully agree with this. My friend had a Sensation, and even though the specs look better on paper, my phone could out-perform his easily, especially with Morfic's or Ezekeel's kernel.
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I fully agree with this. My friend had a Sensation, and even though the specs look better on paper, my phone could out-perform his easily, especially with Morfic's or Ezekeel's kernel.
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It is a slippery slope.
the 1.35x higher resolution skews 2D and 3D benchmarks.
benchmarking sense roms with the unoptimized libsqlite implementation drops IO scores
so it stacks up quite nicely now where i can actually benchmark a sensation hands on
flashing cm7 alpha10 on sensation right now to do some further test on a more familiar platform.
user experience is great on sensation so far btw
I'd wait till the ics OTA drops for the nexus s. Right now ics roms are pretty stable but they are no where near as smooth as gingerbread roms. No one knows how well ics will transfer to single cores, so your sensation may be better for the long run because of the duel core.
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It is a slippery slope.
the 1.35x higher resolution skews 2D and 3D benchmarks.
benchmarking sense roms with the unoptimized libsqlite implementation drops IO scores
so it stacks up quite nicely now where i can actually benchmark a sensation hands on
flashing cm7 alpha10 on sensation right now to do some further test on a more familiar platform.
user experience is great on sensation so far btw
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For sure. It's a gorgeous phone, and I've always liked the Sense UI. I think it's the best OEM UI out there. I think once the phone gets some more attention it'll definitely be a nice piece of hardware. Honestly, if I were in the OP's position, I would probably hang on to the phone if I could... but it seems it doesn't meet his needs.
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It is a slippery slope.
the 1.35x higher resolution skews 2D and 3D benchmarks.
benchmarking sense roms with the unoptimized libsqlite implementation drops IO scores
so it stacks up quite nicely now where i can actually benchmark a sensation hands on
flashing cm7 alpha10 on sensation right now to do some further test on a more familiar platform.
user experience is great on sensation so far btw
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I actually disagree about the ux on sense. There are a lot of little things that really bother me. The way that the notification drawers sometimes takes a second to slide down for no apparent reason, the unlock animation, the lack of a bookmarks button in the browser (you have to hit menu), and the choppiness of the app drawer to name a few. imo, cm7 is a much more pleasant to use os, but that has been really buggy for me on my sensation. Sense is definitely a love/hate affair, and I really hate it lol. (Which is strange because I actually liked sense 2.x quite a bit, 3.0 was a step backwards imo.)
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For sure. It's a gorgeous phone, and I've always liked the Sense UI. I think it's the best OEM UI out there. I think once the phone gets some more attention it'll definitely be a nice piece of hardware. Honestly, if I were in the OP's position, I would probably hang on to the phone if I could... but it seems it doesn't meet his needs.
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I am definitely going to hang on to it for at least a month or two, I just wanted to see how you nexus owners like your phones as I don't have any friends with them.
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I actually disagree about the ux on sense. There are a lot of little things that really bother me. The way that the notification drawers sometimes takes a second to slide down for no apparent reason, the unlock animation, the lack of a bookmarks button in the browser (you have to hit menu), and the choppiness of the app drawer to name a few. imo, cm7 is a much more pleasant to use os, but that has been really buggy for me on my sensation. Sense is definitely a love/hate affair, and I really hate it lol. (Which is strange because I actually liked sense 2.x quite a bit, 3.0 was a step backwards imo.)
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Just curious, which ROM are you running? Not sure if you're on stock or a customer Rom, but when I had my Inspire I ran Android Revolution most of the time (when I wasn't on CM) and the performance improvement over the stock ROM was amazing. I talked my friend into throwing Android Revolution HD (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1098849) on his Sensation 4G and he keeps mentioning how much faster it is now.
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Just curious, which ROM are you running? Not sure if you're on stock or a customer Rom, but when I had my Inspire I ran Android Revolution most of the time (when I wasn't on CM) and the performance improvement over the stock ROM was amazing. I talked my friend into throwing Android Revolution HD (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1098849) on his Sensation 4G and he keeps mentioning how much faster it is now.
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I'm on cm7 right now. I have tried arhd, but that gave me really bad battery life, no matter which kernel I used. I tried a few others, I think insert coin was one of them, but none really felt as snappy as cm7. Some were smoother, but multitasking and opening apps is much quicker in cm7. I'll take the buggyness of cm's current state on the sensation over sense any day.
My ns4g with aosp's ics ROM is incredible. Probably going to take a break from my EVO 3d and use it as my daily driver for a while once the OTA drops
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First why in the he'll would you get an HTC phone if you didn't like sense, dumb move, should have got the g2x. It will get better for aosp, quit crying..
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I have an htc sensation and am extremely unhappy with the software support it has gotten. Not putting any blame on the devs, they have been great to us but the fact of the matter is that we are still on cm7 alphas, not even nightlies, and ics support is looking pretty bad. Kmobs has made some progress, so I'm going to wait a while to see what he has to offer along with whatever else the cm team gives us.
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I think you're asking a bit much there. CM for Sensation is being done by one guy. One guy with a real life and a real job and real commitments that don't involve coding an OS for a bunch of - quite frankly - ungrateful users. KMobs is an utter perfectionist, but he has good reasons as to why we don't have nightly releases for the Sensation yet (a9 is just about perfect but a10 introduced a bunch of bugs... and to be honest, I'd prefer he focused on getting CM9 alphas out the door).
The real fact of the matter is that the Android market is much broader than it has ever been. Two years ago, we were looking forward to the Droid and Nexus One as our saviours from the 528MHz MSM720x-infected designs that were around. All we really had to choose from was the HTC Dream/G1, Magic/MT3G and Hero, which all shared basically identical internal designs. Nowadays you can point at just about any brand of phones and they'll have a truly lustworthy Android handset competing for your dollars and marketshare, so therefore the developer base has splintered accordingly. It's therefore only natural that handsets will have less 3rd-party developer support as time goes on.
And that's ignoring the hardware issues like poor reception and a shoddy screen (Ghosting and scan lines on an lcd made in 2011? seriously? That's ignoring the fact that my a** produces deeper blacks than this thing. I know it's an lcd, but come on! I swear to god I'm never buying an htc phone ever again).
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OK, this interests me. I haven't had these issues. In fact, my Sensation has far better reception than my two previous phones (LG Opitmus 2X and Samsung Galaxy S). I've definitely not noticed any ghosting or scanlines on my screen. Dust under the screen, yes. Power button funkiness, yes. At the risk of sounding like a Sensation/HTC apologist, I'd suggest that your phone has some kind of fault and you should get it looked at.
Basically, what I'm asking is do you gs owners feel compelled to upgrade to the galaxy nexus or are you still content with your devices?
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GS Owners? Well, I assume you're addressing Sensation owners here
I'm very tempted to upgrade to a GN. I won't though, mostly for the following reasons;
Removable SD Card - GN only has internal memory, muddied by...
USB Mass Storage - GN uses MTD which is a suboptimal ux, IMO. In a nutshell it means that all the writeable media on the phone presents as a single unified area with the user accessible /sdcard/ just being a directory rather than a separate partition & device as it is otherwise. It's probably The Future, but right now I hate it.
Offscreen buttons - I hate capacitive buttons as they are, but at least they're not taking up screen real estate
Build quality - The Sensation feels glorious. Samsung devices tend to feel cheap.
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I think you're asking a bit much there. CM for Sensation is being done by one guy. One guy with a real life and a real job and real commitments that don't involve coding an OS for a bunch of - quite frankly - ungrateful users. KMobs is an utter perfectionist, but he has good reasons as to why we don't have nightly releases for the Sensation yet (a9 is just about perfect but a10 introduced a bunch of bugs... and to be honest, I'd prefer he focused on getting CM9 alphas out the door).
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Just FYI, there are 2 other guys that are working on Sensation from the CM team. Not gonna post links since I don't care if you believe me or not, but you can find them on kmobs g+ feed. They just don't post on XDA, and don't release things until the next build has enough to warrant a release. They've been saying we'd go into nightly status soon, but either there are a couple of problems that they haven't found solutions to, someone is busy with their lives, or someone got pregnant (joke).
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Just FYI, there are 2 other guys that are working on Sensation from the CM team. Not gonna post links since I don't care if you believe me or not, but you can find them on kmobs g+ feed. They just don't post on XDA, and don't release things until the next build has enough to warrant a release. They've been saying we'd go into nightly status soon, but either there are a couple of problems that they haven't found solutions to, someone is busy with their lives, or someone got pregnant (joke).
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I wouldn't mind knowing who those guys are actually; so I can follow them myself on G+.
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I think you're asking a bit much there. CM for Sensation is being done by one guy. One guy with a real life and a real job and real commitments that don't involve coding an OS for a bunch of - quite frankly - ungrateful users. KMobs is an utter perfectionist, but he has good reasons as to why we don't have nightly releases for the Sensation yet (a9 is just about perfect but a10 introduced a bunch of bugs... and to be honest, I'd prefer he focused on getting CM9 alphas out the door).
The real fact of the matter is that the Android market is much broader than it has ever been. Two years ago, we were looking forward to the Droid and Nexus One as our saviours from the 528MHz MSM720x-infected designs that were around. All we really had to choose from was the HTC Dream/G1, Magic/MT3G and Hero, which all shared basically identical internal designs. Nowadays you can point at just about any brand of phones and they'll have a truly lustworthy Android handset competing for your dollars and marketshare, so therefore the developer base has splintered accordingly. It's therefore only natural that handsets will have less 3rd-party developer support as time goes on.
OK, this interests me. I haven't had these issues. In fact, my Sensation has far better reception than my two previous phones (LG Opitmus 2X and Samsung Galaxy S). I've definitely not noticed any ghosting or scanlines on my screen. Dust under the screen, yes. Power button funkiness, yes. At the risk of sounding like a Sensation/HTC apologist, I'd suggest that your phone has some kind of fault and you should get it looked at.
GS Owners? Well, I assume you're addressing Sensation owners here
I'm very tempted to upgrade to a GN. I won't though, mostly for the following reasons;
Removable SD Card - GN only has internal memory, muddied by...
USB Mass Storage - GN uses MTD which is a suboptimal ux, IMO. In a nutshell it means that all the writeable media on the phone presents as a single unified area with the user accessible /sdcard/ just being a directory rather than a separate partition & device as it is otherwise. It's probably The Future, but right now I hate it.
Offscreen buttons - I hate capacitive buttons as they are, but at least they're not taking up screen real estate
Build quality - The Sensation feels glorious. Samsung devices tend to feel cheap.
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It looks like some dumba** mod didn't read my post and moved it from the nexus s forums to the sensation forums. The point of the thread was not to complain about cm development on the sensation, I realize that it's a labor of love and that the team working on it is small, the point of the thread was to ask galaxy s owners whether they feel proper CM support and stock OTA updates are worth the downgrade in hardware.
And no, my phone is not defective, it has one of the auo screens which have been confirmed to have scanlines and poor pixel response times.
@the guy asking me why I bought an htc phone: htc phones have always been famous for having great cm support and their hardware is really nice.
I feel that my Sensation is a bit slow sometimes, but I'm trying to tell myself that it'll all be great when ICS comes out (either via HTC or CM9).
I'm about to get my new phone. And was dead set on getting the HTC One X. But as time's gone on, I'm left more and more unsure of the decision. Between the lack of ROM support which is really just a derivative of HTC's failure to foster/support the open source community in the same way that Samsung has. i.e. SGS3 already having CM9 support. On top of that, now there are things like dropped signals and what-not. I'm wondering whether or not the HOX is really going to be a sound 18 month investment that'll keep me fairly in check with the latest hardware and software developments?
get SGS3
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CM9 we have it already working fully
dropped signal on defected devices only! why isnt this clear enough!
Buy an iPhone
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CM9 we have it already working fully
dropped signal on defected devices only! why isnt this clear enough!
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Samsung isn't an option for me. It's just a brand I've never had an affinity to. Having CM9 working and having official CM support are hugely different things. Not to mention that the hardware in HTCs will never be fully supported die to the use of proprietary drivers.
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agree with hamdir..we got all the best roms up and running and got like 3 versions of cm9 which are fully working..what else do you want? and we also got a Paranoidandroid port so again what else would you want...plus windows phone 8 ports should be dropping if the rumoured Tegra 3 chips they would be using would make it easy to port so again i say what else do you want? lol
go and get yourself an s3 my friend and be happy
Think of the One X as the modern HD2 phone with the support we are getting and not even been 3 months since the phone has been released and look what we have already
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I'm about to get my new phone. And was dead set on getting the HTC One X. But as time's gone on, I'm left more and more unsure of the decision. Between the lack of ROM support which is really just a derivative of HTC's failure to foster/support the open source community in the same way that Samsung has. i.e. SGS3 already having CM9 support. On top of that, now there are things like dropped signals and what-not. I'm wondering whether or not the HOX is really going to be a sound 18 month investment that'll keep me fairly in check with the latest hardware and software developments?
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What answers do you expect in the HOX forum....
SGS3 is not without its issues too, one guy even had his phone set on fire on him. LOL
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sabret00the said:
Samsung isn't an option for me. It's just a brand I've never had an affinity to. Having CM9 working and having official CM support are hugely different things. Not to mention that the hardware in HTCs will never be fully supported die to the use of proprietary drivers.
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seriously whats up with all this proprietary talk i don't get it
we have tons of kernel devs doing wonders like Goku said and its just been three month
we just had a completely working linux 3.4 kernel written from scratch by devs and even wifi drivers are being written for scratch
lack of ROM support are you kidding me
we had a fully working CM9 in just one month from release you really think CM9 official will not come? official CM will always favor devices close to the nexus line in terms of release date
In a word, yes get the hox, I played with an siii today, screen is so dull, touch wiz is awful and from all accounts camera is better on the hox. Don't bother with roms myself as I find the hox works just about perfect on stock.
Do it get the hox!
Agree I was actually thinking about switching until I tried S3... The HOX is indeed the best.
Sckank said:
Agree I was actually thinking about switching until I tried S3... The HOX is indeed the best.
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I wouldn't say 'the best', both devices have pros and cons.
- but for what I'm after, beautiful phone, feels premium, awesome screen, OTA updates and dedicated nvidia T3 optimized games, the HOX is definitely the better option for me as I don't require removable battery or sd card slot.
But for me, the screen alone is sooo much better on the HOX, and the screen is always the most important spec of any large touch screen phone.
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I wouldn't say 'the best', both devices have pros and cons.
- but for what I'm after, beautiful phone, feels premium, awesome screen, OTA updates and dedicated nvidia T3 optimized games, the HOX is definitely the better option for me as I don't require removable battery or sd card slot.
But for me, the screen alone is sooo much better on the HOX, and the screen is always the most important spec of any large touch screen phone.
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Yes, or just like I said, the best. ;-)
Oh, the HOX sounds better too.
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Yes, or just like I said, the best. ;-)
Oh, the HOX sounds better too.
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use sound enhancer mode it sounds even better..link in my sig
hamdir said:
seriously whats up with all this proprietary talk i don't get it
we have tons of kernel devs doing wonders like Goku said and its just been three month
we just had a completely working linux 3.4 kernel written from scratch by devs and even wifi drivers are being written for scratch
lack of ROM support are you kidding me
we had a fully working CM9 in just one month from release you really think CM9 official will not come? official CM will always favor devices close to the nexus line in terms of release date
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Yeah but on my current device. Despite having all the goodies and kernel development. The camera still doesn't work as good as the stock. There's still sound issues etc. I never read about these things with OMAP devices.
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In a word, yes get the hox, I played with an siii today, screen is so dull, touch wiz is awful and from all accounts camera is better on the hox. Don't bother with roms myself as I find the hox works just about perfect on stock.
Do it get the hox!
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Thanks for the reply. I really just want it for the hardware. But rating is over the S3 does bring a smile to my face.
See what happens to SGS3 when SGS4 coming in. HOX will get better support. I mean long term support. Look at SGS2, not much going in in the original development, ICS upgrade are rushed work. I have a SGS2 so I know the dev environment for that phone. Most dev ditch it for Galaxy Nexus or SGS3. Look at SGS1, no official ICS by Samsung lolz, which have the same spec as Nexus S, and reason is Touchwiz related. Yes SGS3 get CM9 first. Now lets see who get CM10 first. SGS2 got a late CM9 cuz of sources. Not only late on releasing sources, but Samsung messed it up. The CM9 devs almost give up(which i'm glad they didnt) and now AOSP roms are better than TW ICS on SGS2. HTC Sensation got CM9 first compared to SGS2(which was released at the same time). See what i did there? Samsung will dump their previous flagship that easy.
Sensation VS SGS2
- same time release with Gingerbread but when ICS rolled out, Samsung released a rushed firmware upgrade and rushed sources, which makes CM9 slower while Sensation got everything working easily in the early CM9 phase. SGS2 had it too, but too many things not working.
- Sensation still got true and RD devs working on, while SGS2 has many winzippers(no offense to anyone) only(see their forums, has it split between 2 development threads). cuz RD devs on SGS2 find it difficult to work with SGS2 sources. I am not sure why, but no updates for months from them, except CM9 team.
SGS3? yeah cuz they got released with ICS so they got CM9 working fast. Now see when Jelly Bean comes. SGS2 has a lot of devs in the early days, but most has ditch it half way. I admit, SGS2 is still a great device. it was a legendary that revolutionize the dual core, but Samsung wasted it when they have a new flagships.
Your choice. if you like changing phones, go for SGS3, cuz you can buy SGS4 afterwards. but if not, go for HOX, more power till the end of its life. else, buy an iphone. much more easier, peace of mind.
I think the HOX is a brilliant phone, and I've had none of the more permanent faults, like the WiFi issue..
Only fault I've had was the yellow spots, but they went away the next day and I haven't seen them since, also I think it was my own fault.. I was in a public place and I was messing about with settings when it started blaring out music, really loud, and I couldn't turn it down, so I applied pressure to the back to silence it.
Your choice in the end.
I've got both devices and will be sending back my SGS3 for a full refund.
Why?
- I prefer Sense,
- I prefer SLCD2,
- I prefer the brightness,
- I prefer the looks,
- I prefer the build,
- I prefer HTCs overall device support including OTAs and longer albeit slower releases of newer Android versions,
- I prefer the helpful guys on this side,
- I prefer the camera
- I prefer the social network integration,
- I prefer the mail app,
etc etc
Both are good phones don't get me wrong, I'll keep saying any user will be happy with either BUT:
- Removable/extendable battery
- Extendable storage
If the above 2 are important to you avoid the HOX and opt for something else, if not an issue the HOX is a good choice out of the 2 top end Android handsets presently.
I'm not going to say buy the HOX over the SGS3 or vice versa, but I do suggest you handle both then make a decision as user experience is better than me or anyone else saying x y or z about the device.
Another opened BS thread, clutter, nothing to learn, boring, pfffff...
To my opinion it's, to yours it's probably not.
Thanks again everyone. As I said, for me thi sis more about hardware purchase than software preference. I'm not too fond of Sense and really haven't played with TW enough to have an educated decision. But ultimately want rid of the bloat and want to be in charge of my own destiny. Hearing that this phone is considered a first class citizen of the community and is most likely to be the successor to the HD2 is what swings it for me. As I'm coming the Incredible S which for all of it's beauty is essentially a third class citizen. I'll look forward to picking up my HOX midweek.
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Thanks again everyone. As I said, for me thi sis more about hardware purchase than software preference. I'm not too fond of Sense and really haven't played with TW enough to have an educated decision. But ultimately want rid of the bloat and want to be in charge of my own destiny. Hearing that this phone is considered a first class citizen of the community and is most likely to be the successor to the HD2 is what swings it for me. As I'm coming the Incredible S which for all of it's beauty is essentially a third class citizen. I'll look forward to picking up my HOX midweek.
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You will never get a real successor to the HD2. I highly doubt that there will be a phone released any time soon which will be able to do so much and still have such active development after nearly three years.
The One X is good but Sense is very unnecessary for ICS in comparison to GB and Froyo. TouchWiz on the other hand is actually rather great now. I hated it for older versions of Android but it seems perfect on the SGS3. It's the little details which are really very impressive, and it's just so smooth. And to whoever said the screen on the SGS3 is dull, with all due respect are you an idiot?! It's by far the best phone screen I've used (better than the One X as well).
One more advantage of the SGS3 over the One X is just how simple it is to root. From what I've read about the One X, it's a bit troublesome to root and flash custom ROMs etc. whilst even someone like myself (never flashed a native Android phone before) can easily use Odin and flash things without really having to do too much thinking.
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You will never get a real successor to the HD2. I highly doubt that there will be a phone released any time soon which will be able to do so much and still have such active development after nearly three years.
The One X is good but Sense is very unnecessary for ICS in comparison to GB and Froyo. TouchWiz on the other hand is actually rather great now. I hated it for older versions of Android but it seems perfect on the SGS3. It's the little details which are really very impressive, and it's just so smooth. And to whoever said the screen on the SGS3 is dull, with all due respect are you an idiot?! It's by far the best phone screen I've used (better than the One X as well).
One more advantage of the SGS3 over the One X is just how simple it is to root. From what I've read about the One X, it's a bit troublesome to root and flash custom ROMs etc. whilst even someone like myself (never flashed a native Android phone before) can easily use Odin and flash things without really having to do too much thinking.
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The one x's screen is better then the s3's... It's sharper and the colours look so much better. Plus u can actually view it in sunlight.
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