Hi all,
I've posted about this trash before but now it is really annoying me.
We all do our work here for free and for the better good of the community and those who use these PDA's.
I am so sick of people abusing our work and selling it on Ebay without even a thank you let alone any form of re-imbursement for the hard work we do.
I know it's not piracy, and what we do here is pretty much open-source if you like, but this stuff is really getting on my nerves.
Everytime I go on Ebay and search for PDAs the same trash pops up, some idiot making a fast buck off the back of hard working Developers like us.
The guy is selling a Uni with Laurentius's and mine Rom on it and trying to make an extra £50- £70 for our hard work, since the Uni is normally going for between £160- £200 these days.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI....ndexURL=4&photoDisplayType=2#ebayphotohosting
I have no idea what we can do about it, I am reporting him to Ebay and would be gratefull for the support of the community in doing the same with this guy and others like him.
It ruins this community and really winds me up to the point that I wonder if should even bother any more.
Cheers,
A very p....ssd off Beasty
I am more surprised that people actually paying to buy ROMs which are available for free. Beasty maybe you should be listing the ROMs since people don’t really want to hit the donation icon here. And I will give you a good feedback to get you started.
beast0898 said:
Hi all,
I've posted about this trash before but now it is really annoying me.
We all do our work here for free and for the better good of the community and those who use these PDA's.
I am so sick of people abusing our work and selling it on Ebay without even a thank you let alone any form of re-imbursement for the hard work we do.
I know it's not piracy, and what we do here is pretty much open-source if you like, but this stuff is really getting on my nerves.
Everytime I go on Ebay and search for PDAs the same trash pops up, some idiot making a fast buck off the back of hard working Developers like us.
The guy is selling a Uni with Laurentius's and mine Rom on it and trying to make an extra £50- £70 for our hard work, since the Uni is normally going for between £160- £200 these days.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI....ndexURL=4&photoDisplayType=2#ebayphotohosting
I have no idea what we can do about it, I am reporting him to Ebay and would be gratefull for the support of the community in doing the same with this guy and others like him.
It ruins this community and really winds me up to the point that I wonder if should even bother any more.
MODS PLEASE STICKY THIS
Cheers,
A very p....ssd off Beasty
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I don't wish to sell them, and besides that it would be illegal to do so.
My point is that we do this for free and scum bags try to make money for nothing from others contributions to this community.
I know how stupid Microsoft will look if people start selling their modified ROMs. But I did discover one thing when you are pissed you do lose your sense of humor.
beast0898 said:
I don't wish to sell them, and besides that it would be illegal to do so.
My point is that we do this for free and scum bags try to make money for nothing from others contributions to this community.
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Yes... a lot of time goes in cooking\developing rom's and we are offering this ROM's for free here. How would you feel if we stop doing this!
I have no good words for people who are selling our ROM's on Ebay.
I might have to think about that if you stop making ROM how will I feel? I think then I will have no good words for you. Just kidding I guess then I will be disappointed because I keep coming back to your ROMs and you don’t even appreciate that I go through all that trouble and flash your ROMs. A little bit of appreciation will be nice from you people. No, seriously I do appreciate all the time you spend her and then even let people criticize you. If I was you I would just say “MAKE YOUR OWN BLOODY ROMs IF YOU CAN DO a BETTER JOB”.
Laurentius26 said:
Yes... a lot of time goes in cooking\developing rom's and we are offering this ROM's for free here. How would you feel if we stop doing this!
I have no good words for people who are selling our ROM's on Ebay.
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And I do appriciate you flash our ROM's my friend
Thank you!
Regards,
Leo
faraz.riaz said:
I might have to think about that if you stop making ROM how will I feel? I think then I will have no good words for you. Just kidding I guess then I will be disappointed because I keep coming back to your ROMs and you don’t even appreciate that I go through all that trouble and flash your ROMs. A little bit of appreciation will be nice from you people. No, seriously I do appreciate all the time you spend her and then even let people criticize you. If I was you I would just say “MAKE YOUR OWN BLOODY ROMs IF YOU CAN DO a BETTER JOB”.
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Support
Hi Beasty,
I'm behind you guys 100% on this one, if you come up with a way we can all help then let us know. I guess this arse wipe is a member of this group, can we have him or them removed from it to start with. It might not be illegal to sell it on eBay, but it must be some kind of fraud. As a paramedic I am (when given permission) able to use a persons medical history to further my knowledge, but I've no right to sell it in a book on EBAY if you see my point!!!
Kind regards
Jay
THANK YOU
i would be very pissed off too if i'd work my butt off to get nothing some times not even a "thank you" and other motHer%$$·$% is getting the money for my hard-work. if anyone can come up with some good ideas to avoid this type of persons here in this wonderful comunity would be great (maybe get his IP address somehow and ban him/her for good)
i have no words for all you people that spend many hours cooking and developing, hours that maybe your wife, husband or kids would need or deserve but just think about the 1000s of happy faces we have everytime we flash you piece of artworks or all the countless hours we wait for a new ROM to come out or just the big smile we have in our faces everytime the flash is finished and we see the new ROM for the first time. Just think that he/she migth be making a few bucks, but you have the appreciation, respect, knowledge and the love of many (maybe thousands) of people every single day with every new ROM . To all this you may have notice that english is not my maiden language(im from mexico) but i do want to show you my respects, i wish i could donate but in the country i live...life is not easy and all i can do is say...... !!!!!GRACIAS!!!!!!
BEST REGARDS. Erik.
Although I do agree with Beast on this issue - I don't think anyone (other that a Developer) can really comment on it.
Consider, most developers for the Universal have been using my hosting - which I welcome them to do. However, not a single person who has downloaded a ROM from my hosting has donated a cent to me to help pay the hosting cost.
Don't get me wrong - I don't want the developers to pay (they're already contributing a huge amount to the community). But, when was the last time you (being a random forum member) have donated to a developer for their work or to me for my hosting? Truly, unless you have put something back into the community, you are being a hypocrite by posting in this thread!
Anyway, thats my 2 cents (Australian Cents ) on the issue - and I apologise to no one that I may have offended
So Disgusting
This is very disgusting if anyone is doing so........as a members of this community we should really stop this .This forum is for us and we should appriciate our developers for giving us such ROM's........which they develope by contributing their valuable time for us.
I really feel very sad about it.
Hi all,
I have no desire to make money from my work here, or demand donations for anything I contribute, all I request is the common decency from fellow human beings not to ruin this community by exploiting others.
TehPenguin does have a point though, his hosting does cost him money and adds great value to this community, the FTP Server and BugTracker are invaluable (when used correctly) and TehPenguin and this site could really use donations to help them keep running costs down.
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Although I do agree with Beast on this issue - I don't think anyone (other that a Developer) can really comment on it.
Consider, most developers for the Universal have been using my hosting - which I welcome them to do. However, not a single person who has downloaded a ROM from my hosting has donated a cent to me to help pay the hosting cost.
Don't get me wrong - I don't want the developers to pay (they're already contributing a huge amount to the community). But, when was the last time you (being a random forum member) have donated to a developer for their work or to me for my hosting? Truly, unless you have put something back into the community, you are being a hypocrite by posting in this thread!
Anyway, thats my 2 cents (Australian Cents ) on the issue - and I apologise to no one that I may have offended
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I feel so ashamed of myself that I have decided not to download any ROM from your domain for one week. Seriously, did people have a bad weekend because everyone seemed to be pissed off? I am disappointed that you called me a hypocrite because I have been accused of this before and I’m anxiously waiting for someone to come up with something new. Everyone whom posted in this thread will have to send a handsome amount of donation to the “hosting dude” starting with Beasty who started this thread. Honestly, I do agree people should pay a little back to help those who are trying to help others. I think even if everyone pays as little as US $1 it will make a huge difference. I am surprised myself people come up with so many ideas how to change the ROM (Whisper: Most of them are lame) and they are more like demanding. I really don’t get why developers put up with that and I told Beasty that why he’s apologetic.
I do agree that we should do a little something to help. So what you need me to do?
TehPenguin said:
Although I do agree with Beast on this issue - I don't think anyone (other that a Developer) can really comment on it.
Consider, most developers for the Universal have been using my hosting - which I welcome them to do. However, not a single person who has downloaded a ROM from my hosting has donated a cent to me to help pay the hosting cost.
Don't get me wrong - I don't want the developers to pay (they're already contributing a huge amount to the community). But, when was the last time you (being a random forum member) have donated to a developer for their work or to me for my hosting? Truly, unless you have put something back into the community, you are being a hypocrite by posting in this thread!
Anyway, thats my 2 cents (Australian Cents ) on the issue - and I apologise to no one that I may have offended
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Why don't you guys make a solution
Hey beast,
Why don't you developer make a credits section in your roms that is listing your names and all your comments.
I'm not a developer, but let me give an idea, why don't you create a program, that makes a watermark comment on the todays screen, which makes it clear to everyone that this rom is free and nmt for sale, and calling everyone that purchase this rom to contact you guys through the xda-developers web site.
it is just an idea, and I'm sure that most of the guys here is supporting you and the other developers for the great work
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However, not a single person who has downloaded a ROM from my hosting has donated a cent to me to help pay the hosting cost.
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Ive found the same when i set up htc-devs.com (when the ftp was wiped of m$ files)
TehPenguin said:
Don't get me wrong - I don't want the developers to pay (they're already contributing a huge amount to the community). But, when was the last time you (being a random forum member) have donated to a developer for their work or to me for my hosting? Truly, unless you have put something back into the community, you are being a hypocrite by posting in this thread!
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I concur, In since i started developing my total donations are barely double digits (<£50) people think that things should be handed to them on a golden platter, and when they are not 100% to thier satisfaction that you shoudl put it right, immediately, but they would never consider donating
my 2p
I am not a developer too..or not considering me in that sort of group,because of the amount of time I spend in this (about 1-2hrs a week).
Just customized a Rom to my needs and I will be glad to share if someone wants it,freely!
Every person needs to find a good balance to Private life and Rom Developement,etc.. If this development is such time consuming,calm down..review your time!
Don't pretend donations (they are always appreciated but not to be Pretended or cast something up)
Development (and programming in general) in this forum are passions that we share together..
TehPenguin said:
Although I do agree with Beast on this issue - I don't think anyone (other that a Developer) can really comment on it.
Consider, most developers for the Universal have been using my hosting - which I welcome them to do. However, not a single person who has downloaded a ROM from my hosting has donated a cent to me to help pay the hosting cost.
Don't get me wrong - I don't want the developers to pay (they're already contributing a huge amount to the community). But, when was the last time you (being a random forum member) have donated to a developer for their work or to me for my hosting? Truly, unless you have put something back into the community, you are being a hypocrite by posting in this thread!
Anyway, that's my 2 cents (Australian Cents ) on the issue - and I apologise to no one that I may have offended
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I don't think ANYONE is being a hypocrite on this thread, we are just supporting developers who have had their work abused and used by another party. I have the greatest admiration for the clever people who develop the amazing Rom's for our chosen PDA, without them our universals would now be an out of date device. I personally provide files and work to the LIMIT of my own abilities, and any rom I feel worth using, then I donate to the developer. I feel thats what this forum is all about. Yes I am guilty of not supporting ANY host of download sites, and was not aware that this puts you out of pocket till now. without the hosts support to this forum it would be useless but it is not unreasonable for people to express their OWN opinion.
Respectfully
Jay
responderman said:
I don't think ANYONE is being a hypocrite on this thread, we are just supporting developers who have had their work abused and used by another party. I have the greatest admiration for the clever people who develop the amazing Rom's for our chosen PDA, without them our universals would now be an out of date device. I personally provide files and work to the LIMIT of my own abilities, and any rom I feel worth using, then I donate to the developer. I feel thats what this forum is all about. Yes I am guilty of not supporting ANY host of download sites, and was not aware that this puts you out of pocket till now. without the hosts support to this forum it would be useless but it is not unreasonable for people to express their OWN opinion.
Respectfully
Jay
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Thats a good point to note as well - Hosting cost me money, but it also costs the people who host this forum money. So, I wonder how many people have noticed the Donate link at the top of this page (near the Wiki link)...
Disagree with Beastie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I totally disagree with Beastie on this matter! If you take a look at the installed software on that Uni it has SPB Finance, Weather and Pocket Plus retailing at 70$ as well as a quite long list of other appz. More than that what we do here isn't fully legal either or at least moral. For example in our ROMs we include software that we do not have a licence or any right to use like MSVoiceCommand, MSOffice, HTC Stuff etc, etc, if you compare this to a PC it would be like buying a PC with Win98 then taking a copy(image) of a friend WinXP(with Office, and other apps) and loading it on your one. Do you thing this is right? And also if someone would do the same and sell this "New" PC complain about it. You develop for your own fun and hobby. If you decided to share something not very moral with others, don't complain when someone does something that is not fully moral by your judgement. Morality or legality of this matter is a subjective matter. And do understand the concept of open source. I'm coming from a Mozilla exdeveloper background. And Mozilla is used in numerous commercial applications with proper credits. You have no right to claim that someone used your work to make money on it, as you are using someone else work in your own interests (name, hobby, any reason). You have your reasons to make just what that guy did for his reasons(in his case money). One thief is judjung another!!! How moral is that??? Of course you do develop your own tools and enchacements, BUT on top of a STOLEN OS!!! Microsoft, HTC,etc invested money and time in their developers, designers, markeing depts. to bring this OS to life, and if they decide they don't want to give it for free it is their choice as a business model. You do not have the right to steal this OS tweak it and claim that it is YOUR and someone should pay you for this. Look a the whole picture not that just some guy used the ROM you dont own but tweaked it and claim it is yours.
PS. Last night i posted my 1st ever ROM on this forum wich is as vanilla as possible(for me), the reasons behind postin it here was exactly that. Anyone can download it and tweak it to his own use, or install new soft one it, new soft keybd, new media player, fast GPS soft etc, etc. I didn't own that OS, I took it of Thingonasping wich took it from someone else. You spend a some time and money in "developing" "your" ROMs, corporations spend billions on that, and someone comes along and steals it. Now that person do not have the need to upgrade his device anymore as "his" new OS will keep him happy for a while. How much damage do you do then to even HTC themselves who didn't sell another unit as their potential customer didn't buy it cos he's got his old device new features(without permision from legal developer).
PS. And how do you know or are so sure that he used "Your" ROM? Maybe he took your kitchen and compiled it, (wich in your view and interpretation), makes it "His" ROM now, isn't it?
I feel sorry for the poor sod who will buy this Universal:
1. As far as legality is concerned, any stolen goods doesn't pass the title of ownership to the buyer. Even though the buyer is unaware of this theft and he/she is innocent, the ownership title doesn't pass to him/her. A case in point about Spb software on the phone, which we are assuming installed on the phone illegally.
2. To add to this the poor sod's nightmare, he/she will be lumbered with Windows Mobile 6 with full of bugs. For sure it won't have video calling.
KOR!
Just a suggestion....
Why don't the admins setup a donations area and all the Chef's have a chance to put their " please donate to me here " buttons rather than plastering it over every single signature on this forum. It is making the site look like an average walk up your local high street, people popping up every 2 feet asking for your hard earned money.
I think that if people want to donate they will go and find the place to do it, they don't need to read it at the beginning, middle and end of every post.
I would also like to add that I think the chefs deserve some payback for their efforts and that this is no way a moan at them, just needs a little tidying up and maybe less of the " I've lost this " or " I've had that stolen ". We know you all deserve a donation but for the work that you do, not for your mis fortune. If personal loss is going to be involved then everyone out there will be posting requests for money, my dog went to the vets last week, please send me some money! I just isn't needed.
Let's have a Pay your dues area, get the chefs to post a request and keep the rest of the forum cleaner and tidier.
Just my opinion.
Basically a good idea, however, it would make more works for the admins as well since they would have to maintain that section to make sure that the donation information are up-to-dat!
By having donation links in their signature, chefs can update this information themselves whenever needed without having to contact admins in order to do the upgrade. I do believe, if someone wants to donate, it is not too much to ask for if he has to click on a link in the signature ...
So some of the developers working on the rezound are phenomenal for dealing with all the drama and childish behavior and the fact that the phone was a B*%#& and a half to develop for.
I am trying to help out a developer with whatever lil i have but i dont want to insult him / her either . What do you guys recommend for min ( or even max to evenly distribute ) for a developer that you feel really helped you out ?
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So some of the developers working on the rezound are phenomenal for dealing with all the drama and childish behavior and the fact that the phone was a B*%#& and a half to develop for.
I am trying to help out a developer with whatever lil i have but i dont want to insult him / her either . What do you guys recommend for min ( or even max to evenly distribute ) for a developer that you feel really helped you out ?
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What an interesting thread , among those where people are just too lazy to search...
Don't worry about how much you give, no developer will feel insulted.
You won't be able to make it worthwhile for the developer, most spend countless hours on their projects and 3 digit donations would have to come in to make it worthwhile for the dev. But that doesn't matter as no one publishes his creations on xda in expectations of money.
The developer will just be happy that some users care enough about his work to even donate.
That being said, i would recommend this:
If you are looking for a minimum to give, my recommendation would be the price of a beer/energydrink/nice cup of coffee/tee .
There is no maximum , if you have the money and give the developer 1000$, i'm sure he won't mind. Maybe don't donate a million else he might abandon his work and live on an island in the pacific drinking cocktails instead of developing .
Between those, donate anything you would feel good about or are comfortable with.
i normaly donate like 5-10 dollars/eur.
how much u will donate is up to you...since its your own will how much u will give. i'd give even more if i had golds
Generally I donate about 10-20 dollars for the developer. All the money you donate goes to the person. This way I'm more apt to give a little more without the question of where my money is going.
I'd say about 5 min 20 at the top level if your poor like me
What about donations to multiple devs?
I recently made some donations to some devs who packaged one-click solutions for the Transformer Prime & Galaxy Nexus. Now, the devs did use other's work (and acknowledged it), but is it OK to just ask them to share the donation as they see fit?
I mean, when I buy software, I pay a company and they distribute the proceeds to employees in the form of wages (and to shareholders/owners) so I don't have to find each individual who contributed to the application and determine how much they deserve based on the significance of their contributions.
Not that these donations are expected to make anyone rich, but my hope would be that ALL contributors are receiving something for their work.
give what you have to give
Just curious, whats a respectable amount? Of course one could say any amount out but really, whats like the normal for a donation for say a rom or kernel? I often find myself about to donate $500 to some developers but then wonder if thats the norm or too less? Yes some is better than none but how much is worth it and how much is less enough to be a insult? 5$ literally a beer? 1$ why bother? Does 10 make a dev grin? Would 20 make them love me? Dont need that.
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Just curious, whats a respectable amount? Of course one could say any amount out but really, whats like the normal for a donation for say a rom or kernel? I often find myself about to donate $500 to some developers but then wonder if thats the norm or too less? Yes some is better than none but how much is worth it and how much is less enough to be a insult? 5$ literally a beer? 1$ why bother? Does 10 make a dev grin? Would 20 make them love me? Dont need that.
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Its like any other donation, whatever you feel like giving, while $500 would be much appreciated by any developer, I'd say its a bit excessive as donations go.
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Lol i was deff jk with the 500. Had to throw a big number in just in case my little ones were trumped. I donate occasionally, for like the santas that are coming anytime now outside stores, and the occasional guy with his bicycle holding a sign saying he ran out of gas. Talkin like a few bucks. As bad as it sounds they really didnt put effort for me to donate, and alls they are wanting is whatever you can give. Here tho, they are taking time and effort and mad skills to create something for anybody without the intention of being donated to but gladly accepts. Just last week I was about to send 7$ to someone but didnt because idk if the beer money others have said to donate or the coffee some say would be nice is just that or if it's forum donation slang. Not too long ago i misunderstood this Linux distro download and thought it said donations required. I had yet to try it or even knw if it was good. I donated a penny. Received a thank you email and all. The donation actually wasnt required and there was an option to download for free. I was like man if i got a penny for a unrequired donation id question my material or wonder what that guys problem was. Obviously when its nothing vs something the something always wins. However, sometimes it may of been better to not at all, like i used to move houses, furniture moving, and after moving all of someones stuff and they are like o here i wanted to give you this for all of your hard work, get yourself a 10-10-21 call on me for 1$. Its a little awkward cuz u dont knw if they knw and its all n kindness but really you shouldnt have. Would of been better with a handshake and the security of knowing i am still unaware you have no idea what year it is.
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Its like any other donation, whatever you feel like giving, while $500 would be much appreciated by any developer, I'd say its a bit excessive as donations go.
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Lol i was deff jk with the 500. Had to throw a big number in just in case my little ones were trumped. I donate occasionally, for like the santas that are coming anytime now outside stores, and the occasional guy with his bicycle holding a sign saying he ran out of gas. Talkin like a few bucks. As bad as it sounds they really didnt put effort for me to donate, and alls they are wanting is whatever you can give. Here tho, they are taking time and effort and mad skills to create something for anybody without the intention of being donated to but gladly accepts. Just last week I was about to send 7$ to someone but didnt because idk if the beer money others have said to donate or the coffee some say would be nice is just that or if it's forum donation slang. Not too long ago i misunderstood this Linux distro download and thought it said donations required. I had yet to try it or even knw if it was good. I donated a penny. Received a thank you email and all. The donation actually wasnt required and there was an option to download for free. I was like man if i got a penny for a unrequired donation id question my material or wonder what that guys problem was. Obviously when its nothing vs something the something always wins. However, sometimes it may of been better to not at all, like i used to move houses, furniture moving, and after moving all of someones stuff and they are like o here i wanted to give you this for all of your hard work, get yourself a 10-10-21 call on me for 1$. Its a little awkward cuz u dont knw if they knw and its all n kindness but really you shouldnt have. Would of been better with a handshake and the security of knowing i am still unaware you have no idea what year it is.
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These guys don't do this for donations, its a labor of love and they do it whether they get anything for it or not, its about sharing knowledge for most of us. Donations are not required but they are appreciated in any amount.
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"Here tho, they are taking time and effort and mad skills to create something for anybody without the intention of being donated to but gladly accepts"
I know thats what i was sayin.... so 10$ a good norm donation? 50? 5? If it was something that was sold (custom roms) it could easily be priced 25-100$ (i think anyways). Basically id rather not donate something that is not enough to be taken as a real donation and id rather not do so much that an awkward "friendship" is created. Lol i think im runnin n circles here. Like tipping at a restaurant, go to rule 15% (hopefully), whats that for here? Lol just tryin to do it right.
droseofc said:
"Here tho, they are taking time and effort and mad skills to create something for anybody without the intention of being donated to but gladly accepts"
I know thats what i was sayin.... so 10$ a good norm donation? 50? 5? If it was something that was sold (custom roms) it could easily be priced 25-100$ (i think anyways). Basically id rather not donate something that is not enough to be taken as a real donation and id rather not do so much that an awkward "friendship" is created. Lol i think im runnin n circles here. Like tipping at a restaurant, go to rule 15% (hopefully), whats that for here? Lol just tryin to do it right.
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The amount doesn't matter, that's the point. When developers offer development then any donation of any amount is just a bonus. There is no "too small" or "too big", they don't do this for donations so it doesn't matter if you give anything or not. I'm sure that developers want to know their work is appreciated but they don't care if they get donations or not, if that were so then it wouldn't be freely offered, they'd charge a set amount for it and that goes against the community rules here. You are making more of this than what it really is, just donate or don't, its that simple.
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