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I'm not sure that I understand unlocked bootloaders. If there is no lock, why is there not already a gingerbread Rom out for this phone? What is stopping any dev from making a gingerbread Rom?
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Having to rewrite that majority of the code for the OS for the infuse might be a little bit of a time constraint.
/sarcasm
But really, there is no proper port out for the infuse and I think the devs are just waiting for a gingerbread ROM to leak out, whether it is from the Canadian Infuse or elsewhere
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I'm not sure that I understand unlocked bootloaders. If there is no lock, why is there not already a gingerbread Rom out for this phone? What is stopping any dev from making a gingerbread Rom?
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Simple. The Android userland license doesn't require manufacturers to release source code for the userland portion of the Android stack - the only thing that manufacturers must release source code for is the kernel.
So all device-specific userland code must be reimplemented to get AOSP running on a device.
In many cases, even if someone had device-specific Froyo userland source, a lot of changes were made from Froyo to Gingerbread that require device-specific stuff to be reimplemented. (Look at the state of xdandroid for example - Gingerbread is missing a LOT of stuff that works in Froyo.)
So what is stopping developers from a Gingerbread ROM for the Infuse?
1) Time
2) Time
3) Time
4) Probably lack of documentation on some of the device-specific stuff, fortunately the Infuse is very architecturally similar to the Galaxy S series.
5) Time
6) Lack of the right device in the right developer's hands - the Cyanogenmod guys are so experienced at device porting that between that despite 4), they could likely target the Infuse quickly if one of them had a device. None do yet, there are some threads where people are trying to line up hardware donations.
Please not that to my knowledge, there are ZERO AOSP-source-derived builds for the Infuse for any Android version. All ROM builds currently in existence are "tweaked" variants of the stock Android userland stuff.
Ah hah, I see now. I was assuming this Rom I am using on my inspire was not an official gingerbread Rom, now I know that it must be.
Given samsungs track record for updates. I'm nervous to switch to this phone because it may never receive gingerbread
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Unlocked means you can flash anything... Doesn't mean you have that thing to flash.
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Unlocked means you can flash anything... Doesn't mean you have that thing to flash.
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Got it.
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Ah hah, I see now. I was assuming this Rom I am using on my inspire was not an official gingerbread Rom, now I know that it must be.
Given samsungs track record for updates. I'm nervous to switch to this phone because it may never receive gingerbread
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I'm not saying it's impossible to port AOSP GB or the Cyanogenmod source tree to the Infuse, I'm just saying it hasn't happened yet. The Infuse has been out for a few months less than the Inspire, and it took some time for CM7 to become stable on the Inspire too.
In the case of the Inspire it apparently has. The Cyanogenmod team seems a bit HTC-focused, however that's because Samsung seems to be a slightly later player in the Android game. Samsung is clearly interested in catching up - they already donated a GSII to one of the Android devs.
My guess is that the Infuse is similar enough to the GS i9000 that once the right dev gets their hands on one it won't be long. After all, we're using the CWM from the i9000.
The thing to keep in mind, the most important thing actually, is that all of these things take time AND the efforts of a team of people to accomplish. Every well-known/famous/appreciated dev I've ever spoken too about this very topic all says the same thing - they can't do these things alone OR they can do it alone but it'll take forever to get done.
Hence my donation thread
this is my 6th android phone, and I can say it's the only one I'm not in a huge hurry to put a custom ROM on
I loaded ADW EX on it, and the phone's fast enough to run it buttery smooth with no lag. I also absolutely hate Cyanogenmod's camera software, and really enjoy the native camera software on Samsung devices.
I was considering the Evo 3D instead of keeping the Infuse (still in 30 days) but I'm not sure I could move back to an HTC screen. I hated the screen on my mytouch 4g (went there from the Vibrant). Samsung also flat out makes far better camera hardware and software on their phones.
I don't see any reason to get a different phone right now
I was really wandering and maybe someone can answer this. I'm aware this isn't the latest of gingerbread out so push this one?
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dont know... lg is just plain garbage at there job man... we have alot better coders here at xda... i dont think they have to knowledge or just plain common sense enough to do it... you would think there main flagship phone, especially after all the complaints would have the latest and greatest... hell they should have had people working rotating 12 hour shifts to get this **** right!
It's a matter of the amount of time they need to do their work and test it, well at least that's how it should work. They've probably been working on 2.3 and then 2.3.3 for a while, and it would have meant delaying the release another couple months to implement 2.3.5 since it's so new.
thats why i use cyanogenmod
I know we just got 2.3.3 but I'm just wandering why they getting an update so fast and who knows when we will get another one
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Probably never, there are rumors of the g2x getting ICS 4.0 sometime, although that is highly unlikely. You can try out CM7 for 2.3.5.
What he said
LG and T-Mobile won't come out with any updates. LG releasing the source code, they abandoned support.
XDA is only reason this phone gets any kind of love and support.
There is hardly anything noticeable between 2.3.3, 2.3.4, and 2.3.5.
If you want a newer version, do a custom rom. I can't understand why people, on XDA especially, fight so hard to stay on a stock rom that is old and lacking. My neighbor bought a G2x the other day and I NVFlashed his phone in like 4 minutes (mostly due to downloading and finding the XDA thread for the NVFlasher).
Gingerbread is available in a plethera of roms for our device. I'd much rather LG focus their efforts on a timely ICS release.
I just wish nvidia would release drivers. I would love a2dp on the newer roms
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Probably never, there are rumors of the g2x getting ICS 4.0 sometime, although that is highly unlikely. You can try out CM7 for 2.3.5.
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What information are you basing this on? I don't have any proof that you're wrong, but then again I don't believe you have any proof that you're right either.
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I'd much rather LG focus their efforts on a timely ICS release.
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I agree completely. This hardware won't be outaded any time soon. It has a lot of power. Hopefully LG will do a better job with the next update.
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I agree completely. This hardware won't be outaded any time soon. It has a lot of power. Hopefully LG will do a better job with the next update.
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I hope we don't get 2.3.4 or 2.3.6 if that comes. I want LG to just focus on getting out 2.4 as near as available as possible. All the learning from vanilla with driver fixes should make 2.4 a snap.
At this point nothing about 2.3 any variants makes any difference after 2.3.3
The G2X vanilla should easily be able to handle Android 4, or 2.4 whatever its named sandwich. The hardware is spec. And should be able to get onto the next version after Ice Cream, at that time it will be like a basic model that can still easily support.
I am expecting 2 more full releases on the phone, as the cost for LG to do, with the drivers worked out, should be very minimal.
Worse case, LG can license a custom ROM, and toss that out for a couple hundred K. 2 man years cost.
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I just wish nvidia would release drivers. I would love a2dp on the newer roms
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i dont understand what is that if nvidia releases driver, whats a2dp is?
gypsy214 said:
i dont understand what is that if nvidia releases driver, whats a2dp is?
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Bluetooth = a2dp
gypsy214 said:
i dont understand what is that if nvidia releases driver, whats a2dp is?
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Streaming audio via bluetooth
That's what she said...
even though
tombaker1 said:
I hope we don't get 2.3.4 or 2.3.6 if that comes. I want LG to just focus on getting out 2.4 as near as available as possible. All the learning from vanilla with driver fixes should make 2.4 a snap.
At this point nothing about 2.3 any variants makes any difference after 2.3.3
The G2X vanilla should easily be able to handle Android 4, or 2.4 whatever its named sandwich. The hardware is spec. And should be able to get onto the next version after Ice Cream, at that time it will be like a basic model that can still easily support.
I am expecting 2 more full releases on the phone, as the cost for LG to do, with the drivers worked out, should be very minimal.
Worse case, LG can license a custom ROM, and toss that out for a couple hundred K. 2 man years cost.
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It is nice to see you post something other than the CAL... if you really think LG is gonna release anything other than maybe a small updae which i also doubt. maybe youll join with the CAL.. This is it even LG has said they dont even plan on bringing out the camera appp which i thought they would at least do.
As burk said no proof either way. But history means a lot and sicne this debacle i have looked at lg and see this has been nothing new with them. and Updates have been only carrier pushed for bugs from what i have read.
Yes it would be nice to see something new and great for the phone from LG but dont hold your breath.
hmmm
I would rather LG focus on getting all the bugs fix with this phone rather than releaseing a new os version for it plauged with the same issues and froyo and gingerbread
My neighbor bought an airplane... I need to get a spaceship...
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i only want them to give us 2.3.4 because of gtalk video chat.. other then that i can careless. i know we can get it with custom roms but i actually love the stock rooted gingerbread rom. this is the only time i actually love the stock rom lol
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i only want them to give us 2.3.4 because of gtalk video chat.. other then that i can careless. i know we can get it with custom roms but i actually love the stock rooted gingerbread rom. this is the only time i actually love the stock rom lol
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Wouldn't actually work since gtalk works using NEON which our processors don't have. I haven't tried the alternatives (like vtalk our vtok, something like that) but they don't apparently work well. google has to fix it unless there's been a development I missed.
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After the fiasco of 2.3.3, LG is never going to touch this phone ever again. It's dead in the water for all they care, and Tmo isn't going to pressure them into updating because they're focused on pimping the Sensation right now.
CyanogenMod is the only way this phone will ever see ICS, I would put money on that.
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Wouldn't actually work since gtalk works using NEON which our processors don't have. I haven't tried the alternatives (like vtalk our vtok, something like that) but they don't apparently work well. google has to fix it unless there's been a development I missed.
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Vtok has been working well with me. Gtalk mod works but with back camera.
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After the fiasco of 2.3.3, LG is never going to touch this phone ever again. It's dead in the water for all they care, and Tmo isn't going to pressure them into updating because they're focused on pimping the Sensation right now.
CyanogenMod is the only way this phone will ever see ICS, I would put money on that.
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Because of some impatient g2x owners.
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Because of some impatient g2x owners.
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No, because they don't know what the hell they are doing.
http://www.tmonews.com/2011/10/ice-...a-couple-of-weeks-after-galaxy-nexus-release/
It says 2.3 devices will likely get it.
Maybe LG will actually give a GOOD update for us but with what they've done so far i doubt it. Is anyone planning on a port?
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http://www.tmonews.com/2011/10/ice-...a-couple-of-weeks-after-galaxy-nexus-release/
It says 2.3 devices will likely get it.
Maybe LG will actually give a GOOD update for us but with what they've done so far i doubt it. Is anyone planning on a port?
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Doubt it. Only way we'll get it is through CM9.
No good ROM's will be made until source is released.
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Doubt it. Only way we'll get it is through CM9.
No good ROM's will be made until source is released.
Powered by a G2x
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Yes that's probably true. CM9 better be good...
LOL, LG will never touch this device ever again, I will bet actual money on that. CM9, however, is almost a sure thing. Frankly, I consider that better than the alternative.
I am sure that it will happen and I think that those of you who say LG will never touch this device are right as well. I could be wrong thought maybe LG will wake up and fix the device. HAHA
LG has a history of not updating devices. Like I have said before other 2X devices are still on Froyo. I asked girl at LG store in Bangkok when the device will get update to Gingerbread and she said "it is not being updated." So be thankful you got any Gingerbread at all, and don't count on ICS or you will be sure to be disappointed later.
Looks like ics source should be released soon...
http://androidandme.com/2011/10/new...de-will-be-available-soon-get-ready-for-roms/
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Really? ANOTHER ICS thread?
d12unk13astard said:
Looks like ics source should be released soon...
http://androidandme.com/2011/10/new...de-will-be-available-soon-get-ready-for-roms/
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That just got me excited.
Hopefully they don't burst the bubble and make us wait into the new year.
And honestly, I don't see why Google wouldn't release ICS. I mean I understand they're waiting for the Nexus to ship, so that people will buy it for ICS. But then their goal is to have all phones updated to the newest OS. By making their OS compatible with all hardware, and releasing the source code, they don't have to do any work while ROM developers make Google's dream come true.
This is the great thing about open sourcing. Love it!
HELL YAH! Can't wait for CM9!
They're probably going to release the source the day the Galaxy goes on sale.
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It says 2.3 devices will likely get it.
Maybe LG will actually give a GOOD update for us but with what they've done so far i doubt it. Is anyone planning on a port?[/QUOTE]
You need to read again. It does not say 2.3 devices will likely get it. They are keep their fingers crossed hoping they will get it.
"Rubin wouldn’t specify which tablets or smartphones would receive the update or how fast but we’ll keep our fingers crossed that every current Android 2.3 device receives the update."
1-14-11 Update: Some, remain disappointed that the ICS update remains in flux prior to its release on the G2x phone series.
I have carefully updated the FAQ below to address all the concerns raised in the various replies. Hopefully to those critical, your thorough review of differences and key updates in the FAQ, as reflected below, shall meet with your satisfaction.
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Here it is: The ICS release on the G2X FAQ.
QUESTION: Has the CM team said they are working on it, and they will release it free of charge when its done?
ANSWER: YES
QUESTION: LG has basically said that the entire series of phones released on the G2x reference platform will all be getting ICS, so LG will release ICS for the G2x, and the only factor is now total time right?
ANSWER: Yes yes yes yes yes. The G2x is getting ICS.
QUESTION: So basically ICS is coming to the G2x from both official and unofficial channels.
ANSWER: YES
QUESTION: Will you tell me when ICS for the G2X. done, and post a thread announcing it, and allow me to download it and use ICS.
ANSWER: YES
QUESTION: Is it done yet? Is ICS ready for the G2x now? Now? How about now? waiting waiting NOW? I just heard a new rumor that it running and ready and its ready and I just want to confirm is it finally done now?
ANSWER: NO
QUESTION: I was told that being a total butt-wipe and protesting and saying that I will boycott LG and Nvidia is going to help the developers These butt-wipes want me to go in and start wiping with them. Will this help get ICS on the G2x faster.
ANSWER: NO.
QUESTION: I would like a fresh update on the status of the ICS build for the G2x....so.....IS THE ICS UPDATE READY NOW?????
ANSWER: NO.
QUESTION: I have suddenly become aware that the ICS update has been released, that everyone is using it, and that there has been no public posting about how to download the new ICS update. Can I have it now since you are all using it.
ANSWER: Its not ready, and NO.
QUESTION: I am really wanting this ICS, can I have the ALPHA BETA ANDROMEDA Strain testing version now.
ANSWER: NO, when its ready you can have it.
QUESTION: Hey guess what phone X just got ICS up and working, but the G2x does not. I think our developers suck. I am going to create a thread that blames Nvidia for this shameful delay, but anyone reading between the lines will see that I think our developers suck, and that all the good developers are working on other phones. Sooooo would starting a thread to shame the developers for not being all that good be a way to get ICS on the my G2x faster.
ANSWER: NO.
QUESTION: Phone Z just got it, looks like we are going to be 3rd and at least 6 days after phone Z, this sucks, I just started a thread saying the same, and have posted excessively on 6 other similar threads. This is helpful and helping the developers right?
ANSWER: Wrong.
QUESTION: I have no need for any of the new features on ICS, but want to overclock my G2x with ICS so as I can post my high numbers for benchmark scores. Since I am a real power-user right along with Pi using the phone to the fullest, can I get a special early release of ICS.
ANSWER: NO
QUESTION: Ready it is! Now?
ANSWER: NO. And that is the worst Yoda impersonation.
QUESTION: I have more questions, except they are already answered, would it help if ask again, start a new thread maybe.
ANSWER: NO
QUESTION: I have just one more question so let me start it this way....
ANSWER: Its not done yet.
QUESTION: How about now?
ANSWER: NO
Note: For others wanting to re-purpose this FAQ for their phones, a shout-out for tombaker would be nice.
Dude, this is great. One question though-
Is the ICS build done yet?
No!
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LOL
Couldn't have said it better myself. Thanks for the laughs!
how about now? can we have it?
Awesome! I really like the part about needing ics features. Don't misunderstand, I want ics as much as the next guy, but in reality my phone can already do everything I ask of it. I've played with a galaxy nexus and my phone does pretty much what it does, just goes about some of it a little different.
Sorry but I don't have the time to read through the whole thread and I just have one question or concern:
I've heard that ICS is ready for some devices so doesn't that mean that it's ready now? I just need a beta version for the facial recognition feature. I'm also going to start a thread flaming LG for not releasing an official version.
nice post. however, let me phrase it this way.. is..? hehe..
thanks for the updates!
I saw a YouTube video of the g2x running ics. Can I haz now
Also lg hates us g2x owners so I will make a petition to let them know we bought there phone. Since they announced a ics release for all there other phones they must hate g2x really bad.
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if they cant figure it out by now, i think it will be very long wait because they trying to find out. i told you i bought the wrong phone. hd2 ftw hahaha more roms and more better faster developers/
Please read the OP. It says it all. It is not ready NOW. It will be released when and only when it is ready. Give them time to get it right.
GTWalling said:
Please read the OP. It says it all. It is not ready NOW. It will be released when and only when it is ready. Give them time to get it right.
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I'd have to say... Everyone but possibly tainle was being sarcastic.
I have to take issue with one part of this Faq...
That LG has said the 2X is getting ICS is not true - they *NEVER* said that the G2X will get it. You may disagree with me here, but this is an *important* distinction. Why?
1) T-Mobile has to REQUEST and APPROVE the update for it to happen.
2) T-Mobile has a history of NOT Requesting and Approving updates for devices with "nearly identical except for the radio" devices in the past - such as the Vibrant, which got no Gingerbread despite *every* other major Galaxy S variant having it.
Until LG specifically says "G2X" is getting ICS, I would put it into the column of "maybe" and not definitely.
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I have to take issue with one part of this Faq...
That LG has said the 2X is getting ICS is not true - they *NEVER* said that the G2X will get it. You may disagree with me here, but this is an *important* distinction. Why?
1) T-Mobile has to REQUEST and APPROVE the update for it to happen.
2) T-Mobile has a history of NOT Requesting and Approving updates for devices with "nearly identical except for the radio" devices in the past - such as the Vibrant, which got no Gingerbread despite *every* other major Galaxy S variant having it.
Until LG specifically says "G2X" is getting ICS, I would put it into the column of "maybe" and not definitely.
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True, but they did say the O2x would get the update. It almost certainly wouldn't be stock, but devs on the forum have made it seem like it isn't the most difficult thing porting to the G2x. Mind you, I have absolutely no idea myself, so it could be very difficult. It's still probably easier than writing drivers or finding ways to hack the phone around existing already compiled ones.
EDIT: My bad, forgot that I've only seen ports from one to the other of CM7 based things like MIUI.
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True, but they did say the O2x would get the update. It almost certainly wouldn't be stock, but devs on the forum have made it seem like it isn't the most difficult thing porting to the G2x. Mind you, I have absolutely no idea myself, so it could be very difficult. It's still probably easier than writing drivers or finding ways to hack the phone around existing already compiled ones.
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I don't know which Devs said porting it would be easy, but so far NOBODY has been able to port G2X and O2X Roms either direction with stock LG Code. CM based Roms, YES, but Factory Stock, NO... The radio files are very different and all attempts to port - by some very talented Devs - have ended in a nice looking rom that can't make calls.
That's not to say that if ICS were the prize, someone couldn't come up with a way, but it's *still* not a guarantee.
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Not trying to create drama or anything, but I just think that a FAQ should stick with the facts and not hopes.
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I don't know which Devs said porting it would be easy, but so far NOBODY has been able to port G2X and O2X Roms either direction with stock LG Code. CM based Roms, YES, but Factory Stock, NO... The radio files are very different and all attempts to port - by some very talented Devs - have ended in a nice looking rom that can't make calls.
That's not to say that if ICS were the prize, someone couldn't come up with a way, but it's *still* not a guarantee.
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I agree, the carriers don't want interchangeability of phones with their competitors' services. That's why the radio frequencies are not shared, they're fragmented between the carriers as is Android for their phones. I only recently got an Android phone but I now realize that the Open Source promise is a fraud.
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if they cant figure it out by now, i think it will be very long wait because they trying to find out. i told you i bought the wrong phone. hd2 ftw hahaha more roms and more better faster developers/
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The faulty hardware of the HD2 is a plus also. You should include that next time.
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There is at least potentially one P999 device sold as an Optimus 2X - by Wind Mobile. Potentially there may be another sold by Cincinnati Bell Wireless.
LG says ALL O2X devices are getting ICS. There is a P999 sold as O2X. How is there even debate over this? After getting sued once over failing to deliver a ROM update, do you think LG is really going to fool around with technicalities?
Thats probably something else to consider from LGs point of view. TMobile didn't get sued, LG did. If I were running LG, I would make very sure to fulfill my promises this time around.
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I have to take issue with one part of this Faq...
That LG has said the 2X is getting ICS is not true - they *NEVER* said that the G2X will get it. You may disagree with me here, but this is an *important* distinction. Why?
1) T-Mobile has to REQUEST and APPROVE the update for it to happen.
2) T-Mobile has a history of NOT Requesting and Approving updates for devices with "nearly identical except for the radio" devices in the past - such as the Vibrant, which got no Gingerbread despite *every* other major Galaxy S variant having it.
Until LG specifically says "G2X" is getting ICS, I would put it into the column of "maybe" and not definitely.
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There's a new version of Android out? How come no-one's talking about it?
But more seriously thanks to tombaker1 for the humorous post.
Core Memory said:
I agree, the carriers don't want interchangeability of phones with their competitors' services. That's why the radio frequencies are not shared, they're fragmented between the carriers as is Android for their phones. I only recently got an Android phone but I now realize that the Open Source promise is a fraud.
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How is the android open source promise a fraud? I mean you do realize that they released ICS source right? Up until recently, they couldn't control what vendors did with their phones. Now, with Android being the most used phone OS, they have a little more control on everything.
A lot of people tend to blame Google/Android for the mistakes brought on with a company's phone. I know that an iPhone fanboy here at work made a comment everytime about Android when my G2x died, when it was obviously the phone itself.