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[Q] ROM Manager bricking phones...?

Could ROM Manager fake Flash Clockworkmod recovery be responsible for bricking phones on LG update? Let me explain what I mean - Lots of people, like myself, installed ROM Manager and its CWM because we did not know it's not real Flash. Then We switched to "real" CWM. Now the question is when we do normal stock recovery in order to get official GB update, does this CWM of ROM manager still remains in the phone? If so, could it be that it contributed to the troubles updating through LG tool? How can I make sure I removed it from the phone?
Thanks!

Yes. Many people have confirmed that not having the stock recovery on the device is a road to Bricksville. Even though you are fake flashed there is code inserted somewhere to redirect to the fake flash, and the recovery images for flash (normally installed every boot) have been deleted or renamed. You should flash stock recovery with NVFlasher to make sure you are back at a clean stock recovery before using the LG Update tool.

Thanks but what I mean is that AFTER I realized it's fake flash I installed "real" CWM. So when I do stock on this "real", does CWM rom manager still remains in the phone and how can I remove it?

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so I am a little confused I used CWM to make a backup before I did anything to my phone. And I was already on the 2.3.3 lg update. So if I restore that I should be back to stock and CWM should still be there right? But lets say LG comes out with another update (Doubtful) and I want to use it I should use the NVflash to reture the phone to stock? if I use NVflash will that put me back on froyo 2.2.2 or GB 2.3.3?
Also I used rom manager to make a backup of the rom I was on which was the stock rooted so is that fake or what the hell is fake? is it the first option in rom manager the CWM recovery? is it the same if I use CWM stock recovery? in cwn itself? Oh I am so confused someone help me

ROM Manager cannot flash directly to the phone so it "fake flashes" CWM recovery. It only installs a few files to the system so that when you run recovery the stock recovery runs an "upate" and that launches CWM recovery from your SD card. Just return the phone to GB 2.3.3 stock and be happy with it. If you restore using CWM it will remain there, so you should use NVFlash to restore stock recovery also.

jboxer said:
ROM Manager cannot flash directly to the phone so it "fake flashes" CWM recovery. It only installs a few files to the system so that when you run recovery the stock recovery runs an "upate" and that launches CWM recovery from your SD card. Just return the phone to GB 2.3.3 stock and be happy with it. If you restore using CWM it will remain there, so you should use NVFlash to restore stock recovery also.
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I have BOTH - CWM AND CWM through the ROM Manager. So if use NV Flash to go to stock, is the CWM from ROM manager still in the phone and how can I remove it?
Thanks!

so what I am getting out of this is rom manager is crap and dont use it. If you just use CWM to do your flashing and backups and recoverys you should be ok.
Charlie

mojorisin7178 said:
so what I am getting out of this is rom manager is crap and dont use it. If you just use CWM to do your flashing and backups and recoverys you should be ok.
Charlie
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Thanks but my questions are:
1. If I go to stock using NV Flasher, is ROM Manager's CWM still going to be in the phone, since I have BOTH?
2. Can it BRICK my phone if I do the LG update then?
3. How can I make sure I removed BOTH - NV Flash CWM AND ROM Manager CWM?

[Q] How do I back up my Rogers SGS2 ROM

Got the new i727 from Rogers. First time Android user, come from the BB world.
Want to back up my stock ROM. Installed paid version of Rom Toolbox. Went to the Manage ROM section, and it told me I had to have ROM Manager.
Downloaded the free version of ROM manager, and it told me I had to have ClockworkMod installed, and asked if I wanted to install it.
Said YES, and it took me to a group of phones, not the SGS2 LTE. So I cancelled.
So three questions:
1. When I buy Rom Toolbox, why do I have to then get ROM Manager?
2. What is ClockworkMod?
3. Which phone do I select that will work on my Rogers Samsung Galaxy S2, and will that finally allow me to back up my stock ROM.
Thanks
Harry Fine

I'm not familiar with ROM Toolbox, nor do I know why you would use it. I'm not much of a fan of ROM Manager, either, but it does work. Install it, and select the T-Mobile SGS2 to get CWM installed. You can then take a Nandroid backup.
That said, backups of untouched stock ROMs are much less needed when there's already an Odin TAR out.

What does it mean to "take a nandroid" backup?

Got it. Installed CWM and did the ROM backup, now have a Nandroid backup, also copied to PC. I'm assuming if I've done this correctly, I can now re-install the stock ROM if I had to.
Once I have a nandroid backup that is known to be good, is there any situation (other than hardware) that would prevent me from un-bricking my phone by simply installing a known good ROM?

As long as you have a backup and are able to access CWM...flash away
Sent from my SGH-I727R using XDA App

And where is CWM? Is it on the ROM itself, or on the boot sector? If the ROM is bad, or boot sector becomes corrupted, how do you access CWM?

And even if you can't access CWM - in other words, if you can't get past the Samsung logo - you can always return to stock with Odin.

basically as long as you can boot to either download mode or recovery you're safe.
Sent from my SGH-I727R using XDA App

[Q] How to update GTP3113??

I am on stock(P3113 rooted+cwm)...I am getting an OTA for 4.0.4 but for that i'll need to go back to stock recovery...Should i :
1) Flash stock rom n then take the OTA
2) Flash 4.0.4 through odin [ http://samsung-updates.com/device/?id=GT-P3113 ]
3) Flash stock recovery n then take the ODA.
I would like to go with option 3 cuz it will require the min. amount of downloading....But for that i need stock recovery...So what should i do n is there any other way??

On my 5113 the only thing that worked for me was to flash with Kies and then reroot. It was well worth it though.
There doesn't seem to be an easy way to get just the recovery and I think (not sure) that only Odin can unlock that partition anyway. There are some stock images in Odin format and I have been meaning to pick through them to see if I can find the stock recovery image, but since no one has posted such, I am guessing you can't.

wd5gnr said:
On my 5113 the only thing that worked for me was to flash with Kies and then reroot. It was well worth it though.
There doesn't seem to be an easy way to get just the recovery and I think (not sure) that only Odin can unlock that partition anyway. There are some stock images in Odin format and I have been meaning to pick through them to see if I can find the stock recovery image, but since no one has posted such, I am guessing you can't.
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But the problem is that i can't update vie kies...It keeps on disconnecting, so OTA is my only option n for that i need to get rid of CWM.

I am curious too, I rooted using this method, and have CWM installed.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=25480291&postcount=137
I guess I can just flash the stock image and loose root, upgrade, then reroot. Hopefully, someone will drop a stock, rooted and deodexed 4..0.4 rom for the P3113.
Also, I have not used Kies before, so I guess I don't even know how to flash the stock image for this tablet. Can anyone help with that?

fillyo said:
I am curious too, I rooted using this method, and have CWM installed.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=25480291&postcount=137
I guess I can just flash the stock image and loose root, upgrade, then reroot. Hopefully, someone will drop a stock, rooted and deodexed 4..0.4 rom for the P3113.
Also, I have not used Kies before, so I guess I don't even know how to flash the stock image for this tablet. Can anyone help with that?
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To flash stock you'll have to use the stock rom n flash using odin,,, But i was hoping that there is way around it...

I've updated today my rooted P3113 to 4.0.4
This is the only way to upgrade rooted P3113 (with CWM), because the samsung official upgrade scenario doesnt works on CWM
1. Backup with Titanium
2. Wipe/factory reset with CWM
3. Download and unzip stock 4.0.4 firmware from here, then flash it with odin (PDA button)
4. Configure your device (now it's clean stock apps and stock recovery)
5. Restore your apps with Titanium
6. Install CWM and root - If you wish so (just as you installed on 4.0.3)

barmalei7 said:
I've updated today my rooted P3113 to 4.0.4
This is the only way to upgrade rooted P3113 (with CWM), because the samsung official upgrade scenario doesnt works on CWM
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I would imagine this is just like the 5113. If you use Keis instead of the OTA update it works. Apparently Keis uses the USB instead of the recovery. However, a lot of people are having trouble getting Keis to stay connected. But I used it with no problems. Just reflashed CWM and rerooted as you say, but did not have to reflash to stock.

Just updated manually from 4.0.3 + Rooted + CWM 5.5.0.4 (GT3113)
Sorry too young to post links
Went very simple (10 minutes)
Returned to Stock Recovery: h://theunlockr.com/2012/06/02/get-samsung-galaxy-tab-2-7-gtp3113-back-stock
REBOOTED
Applied Update (not 4.0.4, not sure what it was)
Downloaded 4.0.4 from Samsung directly: h://samsung-updates.com/device/?id=GT-P3113
Unzipped to Desktop
Updated to 4.0.4 using ODIN (PDA)
REBOOTED
System applied update on startup
Asked me to select language, date, Goodle backup, etc
It loaded all existing Apps, Wi-Fi, etc automatically no TiRestore needed
Up and running, seems faster- smoother, new keyboard (old keyboard was good, this one is as good better for big fingers?)
:laugh:
Back to CWM & Root
h://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1722304

I downloaded the file from the Samsung site, launched Odin and updated. It kept all my apps and settings since I did not wipe. Flashed recovery, then rerooted, did not take long. If it gets yucky, I will do a factory reset.

Very helpful!
Very helpful guide.
On a semi-related note, I really like 4.0.4 it's certainly an improvement over the last and seems to have cured the stupid interface lag.

Ok flashed mine using mobile odin...no need to wipe data..

JacRyan said:
Just updated manually from 4.0.3 + Rooted + CWM 5.5.0.4 (GT3113)
Sorry too young to post links
Went very simple (10 minutes)
Returned to Stock Recovery: h://theunlockr.com/2012/06/02/get-samsung-galaxy-tab-2-7-gtp3113-back-stock
REBOOTED
Applied Update (not 4.0.4, not sure what it was)
Downloaded 4.0.4 from Samsung directly: h://samsung-updates.com/device/?id=GT-P3113
Unzipped to Desktop
Updated to 4.0.4 using ODIN (PDA)
REBOOTED
System applied update on startup
Asked me to select language, date, Goodle backup, etc
It loaded all existing Apps, Wi-Fi, etc automatically no TiRestore needed
Up and running, seems faster- smoother, new keyboard (old keyboard was good, this one is as good better for big fingers?)
:laugh:
Back to CWM & Root
h://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1722304
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Your steps are so easy. I wish I could follow you on this, but I can't figure out how to revert back to stock recovery only. The theunlockr.com link shows how to completely revert the entire firmware. How do you revert recovery ONLY?

Hasn't someone made a .zip file that can be flashed with CWM? Why is it different than flashing a 3rd party rom?

[Q] Backup stock recovery for Samsung Galaxy Tab 2 7.0 (US Wifi+IR) P3113

I have a Samsung Galaxy Tab 2 7.0 (US Wifi+IR) P3113 [ROM Build Number: IMM76D.P3113UEBLH2] which is still 100% stock. I plan on installing a custom rom, but first I want to make a complete backup of everything.
I know I need to use a custom recovery (I plan on using ClockworkMod) and flash the custom rom. I don't have any problems with that part.
I also have all of my data already backed up. I plan on doing a full factory reset before installing anything anyway.
My main issue is that I want to backup the original stock ROM and all other partitions/images before making any permanent changes.
Since the device doesn't support fastboot I can't just "fastboot boot cwm-recovery.img" to do a temporary boot to backup the stock rom and recovery. All the instructions I've seen indicate I must first flash a new recovery image then boot the device from that. This would cause me to not have a backup of the stock recovery image.
I didn't see any backup options in Heimdall or ODIN either. No luck with Check Fus either.
Is there a way to backup the stock recovery image without flashing anything to the device first?
I have looked at sammobile at the P3113 firmwares, but I can't be sure those apply to my version (US WiFi + *IR blaster*) or would have the stock recovery image. Samsung Kies doesn't seem to have any updates or downloadable firmware for my tablet (it still has the ROM it came with out of the box) that I could extract the stock recovery for my P3113 (US WiFi+IR) from either.
I'd like a backup of everything so I could revert to 100% stock if needed. I also want to be sure I have the original recovery image and not some other version from a "stock rom" downloaded from the Internet.

rbeede said:
I have a Samsung Galaxy Tab 2 7.0 (US Wifi+IR) P3113 [ROM Build Number: IMM76D.P3113UEBLH2] which is still 100% stock. I plan on installing a custom rom, but first I want to make a complete backup of everything.
I know I need to use a custom recovery (I plan on using ClockworkMod) and flash the custom rom. I don't have any problems with that part.
I also have all of my data already backed up. I plan on doing a full factory reset before installing anything anyway.
My main issue is that I want to backup the original stock ROM and all other partitions/images before making any permanent changes.
Since the device doesn't support fastboot I can't just "fastboot boot cwm-recovery.img" to do a temporary boot to backup the stock rom and recovery. All the instructions I've seen indicate I must first flash a new recovery image then boot the device from that. This would cause me to not have a backup of the stock recovery image.
I didn't see any backup options in Heimdall or ODIN either. No luck with Check Fus either.
Is there a way to backup the stock recovery image without flashing anything to the device first?
I have looked at sammobile at the P3113 firmwares, but I can't be sure those apply to my version (US WiFi + *IR blaster*) or would have the stock recovery image. Samsung Kies doesn't seem to have any updates or downloadable firmware for my tablet (it still has the ROM it came with out of the box) that I could extract the stock recovery for my P3113 (US WiFi+IR) from either.
I'd like a backup of everything so I could revert to 100% stock if needed. I also want to be sure I have the original recovery image and not some other version from a "stock rom" downloaded from the Internet.
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Excellent way of articulating the issues and questions rbeede.
This is exactly what I have been trying to do too. I have searched the forums and google and haven't been able to figure out how to do this either. I was actually fixing to post the same questions myself and thought I should do one last search before I did, which lead me to this thread
I have the same tab and build (P3113 - ROM Build Number: IMM76D.P3113UEBLH2). As an android newbie I have been reading/researching for hours a day since Christmas and there is still a lot I don't understand. This is the first step I would like to take though and I intend on doing a full factory reset before installing anything too.
Can anyone help us with this please?
A. Want to backup the original stock ROM and all other partitions/images before making any permanent changes. Would like a backup of everything so I can revert to 100% stock.
B. For the same reasons as the OP, I also want to be sure I have the original recovery image and not some other version from a "stock rom" downloaded from the Internet.
I am happy to show proper appreciation for anyone who can help and once I get things sorted out and figured out I am willing to help others too. Thank you in advance

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Howdy
You should find and download the stock rom for your device on the net. I myself do not recommend you to install custom rom as it can brick ur device.
For the backup:-
1. For the backup of your apps download this app (App Backup and Restore) from the play store. It can backup ur apps and then can also restore them back but also dont forget to take the backup of this app itself.
2. Connect your tablet/phone to your pc/laptop and then copy all the files in your SD card and Device and store them to seperate folders on your pc/laptop.
3. Now the backup of all your files is created.
According to my information you cannot backup your current rom you will have to download the stock rom from the net which you need and then fla**** in case of a mishappening or incase you wish to revert back.
Best of luck Happy flashing and a happy new year.
Sent from my GT-P3100 using xda app-developers app

@kunalthakur - There isn't an official Samsung download source that one can use. Most of the other downloads I've seen have had the recovery.img modified to enable the backup in the first place. We want a trustworthy (verified no malicious software added) stock OEM rom/recovery with no modifications.
I have had some initial success getting the Samsung Kies software to attempt to download the current official ROM from official Samsung servers. I guess Samsung wants people to only download via Kies instead of offering it on their website to reduce the load on their servers and prevent end-users from flashing the wrong ROM because they didn't know what they were doing.
I will update if I have success getting a clean download.

If u are successful in flashing the original rom then notify me too as i dnt know of any such method. Oh by the way here is a site where you can download original roms.
downloadandroidrom.com
And by original I dont mean official.
Sent from my GT-P3100

That site didn't have a ROM for the US (Wifi+IR) GT-P3113
I did however notice that an official ROM update has just become available in Samsung Kies.
Version ending in LK7 (update from LH2).
I'm going to try to save a copy of the download for backup purposes.

rbeede said:
That site didn't have a ROM for the US (Wifi+IR) GT-P3113
I did however notice that an official ROM update has just become available in Samsung Kies.
Version ending in LK7 (update from LH2).
I'm going to try to save a copy of the download for backup purposes.
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I did not say that it had a rom for every device
Sent from my GT-P3100

Hello,
I'm using Galaxy Note 10.1 (N8013, UEALI3).
As our hardware and software are almost identical, I'll assume things will be the same for you and me.
How to create a full backup of your device, without touching anything?
There must be a way, but I also couldn't find it.
So, I found a way that just works as we expect.
To create a full stock device backup, with all images and partitions, without rooting, you'll have to....
Flash CWM! No, please, wait, let me finish...
When you flash a custom Recovery, it is actually not something permanent.
Once you boot your stock rom with stock kernel, your custom recovery is overwritten with the default one.
So, you can flash your CWM, and reboot your device immediately to it.
If you let your stock ROM boots, you are going back to stock recovery.
EXCEPTION:
- When you boot to CWM, choose "Reboot", you'll be given the following option: "ROM may flash stock recovery on boot. Fix? This can not be undone.". If you choose "Yes", you'll never get to stock again, even while booting stock rom.
So, flashing a custom recovery is actually very similar to "fastboot boot recovery recovery.img", as no permanent damages are made.
Finally, that's what you'll have to do:
1) Use Oding to Flash CWM. DO NOT Restart your device from ODIN.
2) Force turn off your device (press power button for > 8 seconds)
3) Boot to recovery (power button + volume up)
4) Make a full backup! In this backup, you'll have the CWM recovery.
5) Reboot your device.
6) Boot normally, and copy your backup from SDCard to your computer.
How to restore the stock I just saved?
1) Flash CWM again if needed.
1.1) If you want to get rid of the binary count, you'll have to make CWM permanent.. for a while.
1.2) Boot into CWM, go to Reboot Device, and choose "Yes - Make it permanent".
1.3) Boot your rooted ROM, download and execute TriangleAway.
1.4) Ok, your download count is zero.​2) Now, go back to CWM and restore your backup.
3) This time, you have your stock rom + stock kernel, but still have the CWM recovery.
4) Boot your stock rom
5) Now, you have your stock rom + stock kernel + stock recovery.
I know this is not what you REALLY wanted (extract stock images, including stock recovery image), I wanted that to..
But this just works.
Let me know if I was able to help you.
Good luck!

So this is basically not possible then?

[Q] searching for nandroid or cwm compatible stock rom

Hello everyone
I have my GT-P5110 since a bit more than a year and since the begin, it runs CyanogenMod 10.1.3. Everything worked fine until a few days ago, since when my tab isn't recognised by any computer (as storage but also via Odin/Heimdall) Before I could connect my tab to my Pc and it appeared as external drive. I want to give the device back to the shop to get a new one with my warranty. But to be able to get warranty, I have to reinstall the stock rom. I saw a bunch of tutorial explaining how to flash the stock via odin/heimdall. But as I told, this is not working in my case. I read, that some ROM's are installable with ClockworkRecovery (which I have still installed on my tab). Unfortunately, I couldn't find a Samsung GT-P5110 stock rom, which is installable via CWR. An other way would be to recovery with a nandroid. But because I do not have a nandroid backup, this is also not working. Could anyone help me out with a Samsung stock rom, which is installable with CWR, an nandroid backup or an other idea, how to install a stock rom without USB connection.
Thank you very much in advance.
Chip

Did you try a factory reset,that should make the tab stock again.
Pp.
sent from my microwave running lollipop 5.0.

Hi PanchoPlanet
Thanks for your answer. Unfortunately, a factory reset only resets my CyanogenMod to factory mode and doesn't bring me the Samsung ROM back.
Cheers, Chip

Hello
Could someone do me the favor, doing a backup of the Samsung stock rom with the CWM Recovery and send me this backup? This way I could restore the Samsung stock rom. I would be really glad, if someone could help me this way because it is the only solution I can see at the moment.
Thanks in advance
Chip
Chip4Android said:
Hi PanchoPlanet
Thanks for your answer. Unfortunately, a factory reset only resets my CyanogenMod to factory mode and doesn't bring me the Samsung ROM back.
Cheers, Chip
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By flashing the stock firmware (samsung ) twice you can get back to stock os, rooting and installing CWM can give you nandroids galore.
Pp.
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Look here for your build, if it's too slow Google may give you a better link to download .
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=27268346
Pp.

Hi PanchoPlanet
Thanks for your answer. I tried to install the (Samsung) stock rom again. I downloaded SMO-P5110XXCMA2. The problem is, that it doesn't work to install the stock rom with CWR. I get always the following errer:
-- Installing: /external_sd/SMO-P5110XXCMA2-201301121172232.zip
Finding update package...
Opening update package...
E:Can't open /externel_sd/SMO-P5110XXCMA2-201301121172232.zip
(bad)
Installation aborted.
Installing a CyanogenMod rom with the CWR works without problem. How should I proceed to install the stock rom with CWM?
Cheers, Chip

The zip you downloaded may have to be opened (un-zipped) first and you may find a file that you will use with Odin, stock firmware cannot be flashed with a custom recovery. (Not from Samsung anyway)
Use Odin , go to download mode on Tab, connect and flash with Odin.
Main objective is been able to get download mode, run Odin on PC, make sure you have drivers installed on PC , load corresponding file (md5) onto PDA slot and tap start.
*** Only re-boot should be checked on Odin. ***
Pp.
sent from my microwave running lollipop 5.0.

Hi PanchoPlanet
Thanks again for your help. My problem is, that my tab's usb connection is broken, and so Odin will never detect my tab (Also is my tab not longer recognized as an external device, when I start CyanogenMod). That's why I'm searching for a stock rom, which I can install with CWM or I would really appreciate, if someone could share his/her CWM backup with me, that I could install it. Maybe there are other solution to bring me back the stock rom without a usb connection. I'm open for every suggestion.
Cheers, Chip

Hi everyone
I would like to ask again for a favor. Could anyone make a CWM backup of his/her GT-P5110 with stock rom installed? This way I could get the stock rom back.
Thanks in advance
Chip