Could ROM Manager fake Flash Clockworkmod recovery be responsible for bricking phones on LG update? Let me explain what I mean - Lots of people, like myself, installed ROM Manager and its CWM because we did not know it's not real Flash. Then We switched to "real" CWM. Now the question is when we do normal stock recovery in order to get official GB update, does this CWM of ROM manager still remains in the phone? If so, could it be that it contributed to the troubles updating through LG tool? How can I make sure I removed it from the phone?
Thanks!
Yes. Many people have confirmed that not having the stock recovery on the device is a road to Bricksville. Even though you are fake flashed there is code inserted somewhere to redirect to the fake flash, and the recovery images for flash (normally installed every boot) have been deleted or renamed. You should flash stock recovery with NVFlasher to make sure you are back at a clean stock recovery before using the LG Update tool.
Thanks but what I mean is that AFTER I realized it's fake flash I installed "real" CWM. So when I do stock on this "real", does CWM rom manager still remains in the phone and how can I remove it?
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so I am a little confused I used CWM to make a backup before I did anything to my phone. And I was already on the 2.3.3 lg update. So if I restore that I should be back to stock and CWM should still be there right? But lets say LG comes out with another update (Doubtful) and I want to use it I should use the NVflash to reture the phone to stock? if I use NVflash will that put me back on froyo 2.2.2 or GB 2.3.3?
Also I used rom manager to make a backup of the rom I was on which was the stock rooted so is that fake or what the hell is fake? is it the first option in rom manager the CWM recovery? is it the same if I use CWM stock recovery? in cwn itself? Oh I am so confused someone help me
ROM Manager cannot flash directly to the phone so it "fake flashes" CWM recovery. It only installs a few files to the system so that when you run recovery the stock recovery runs an "upate" and that launches CWM recovery from your SD card. Just return the phone to GB 2.3.3 stock and be happy with it. If you restore using CWM it will remain there, so you should use NVFlash to restore stock recovery also.
jboxer said:
ROM Manager cannot flash directly to the phone so it "fake flashes" CWM recovery. It only installs a few files to the system so that when you run recovery the stock recovery runs an "upate" and that launches CWM recovery from your SD card. Just return the phone to GB 2.3.3 stock and be happy with it. If you restore using CWM it will remain there, so you should use NVFlash to restore stock recovery also.
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I have BOTH - CWM AND CWM through the ROM Manager. So if use NV Flash to go to stock, is the CWM from ROM manager still in the phone and how can I remove it?
Thanks!
so what I am getting out of this is rom manager is crap and dont use it. If you just use CWM to do your flashing and backups and recoverys you should be ok.
Charlie
mojorisin7178 said:
so what I am getting out of this is rom manager is crap and dont use it. If you just use CWM to do your flashing and backups and recoverys you should be ok.
Charlie
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Thanks but my questions are:
1. If I go to stock using NV Flasher, is ROM Manager's CWM still going to be in the phone, since I have BOTH?
2. Can it BRICK my phone if I do the LG update then?
3. How can I make sure I removed BOTH - NV Flash CWM AND ROM Manager CWM?
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I used the one click root method and installed rom manager. from rom manager, I flash clockworkmod recovery, but when I tried to backup current rom. I got an error. Now I'm a bit worried to try installing any roms if I cant backup properly. Whats going on?
pretty sure the ROM manager flash recovery only puts the update.zip on your sd care. you can search dev forum (this should be in general btw) and do one click clockwork so you can boot to it from rom manager. otherwise you can boot to stock recovery and flash the update.zip on your sd to boot clockwork, then you can backup and stuff. but you will need the one click to boot to CWM from rom manager.
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wat?
sorry, I had a hard time following, could you elaborate please?
When flashes go wrong things can get bad.with the vibrant I just odined to stock...through download load. Will we get something similiar for the greatest smartphone ever LG g2x
Luthien1 said:
When flashes go wrong things can get bad.with the vibrant I just odined to stock...through download load. Will we get something similiar for the greatest smartphone ever LG g2x
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NV Flash
its not the same. odin was a backup in case you couldnt even get into recovery, so there was download mode as a failsafe....which was through odin.. there has to be something like this available... anyone know.. or are we sol if we mess up bad
Im wondering this as well...my friend flashed a rom on the G2x and the wifi is broken. Rom manager won't flash into recovery. Used my Sim card which has internet but the phone won't recognize the internet. Tried the power+ volume buttons on boot up but nothing happens. Any idea on how to get back to stock? Rom is eagle's blood
You would need to flash CWM through NVflash
ROM manager will not flash CWM, it looks like it did but is actually a fake flash. That's why you need to do it through nv flash.
Sent From My G2x EB 1.07
Yes. You flash back to stock with the KDZ file and the KD flasher program.
Sent from my LG-P999 using Tapatalk
downloaded nvflash and drivers, have usb debug mode on but when i do anything on nvflash it says no usb connected?
nvm got everything done thanks a lot!
I believe that there's the program used to flash KDZ files, I guess that could restore EVERYTHING back to stock.
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You would need to flash CWM through NVflash
ROM manager will not flash CWM, it looks like it did but is actually a fake flash. That's why you need to do it through nv flash.
Sent From My G2x EB 1.07
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Koush and Cyanogen said ROM Manager is not doing a fake flash. After flashing the rom you have to immediately boot into recovery using rom manager. It them flashes the new recovery right after boot. The recovery partition is not available when the phone is in normal mode. If you don't do an immediate boot into recovery through ROM Manager then the recovery is not properly flashed. If you have updated to GB then the first time you must do the NVFlash method as there is no way to root the phone any other way at this time.
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Koush and Cyanogen said ROM Manager is not doing a fake flash. After flashing the rom you have to immediately boot into recovery using rom manager. It them flashes the new recovery right after boot. The recovery partition is not available when the phone is in normal mode. If you don't do an immediate boot into recovery through ROM Manager then the recovery is not properly flashed. If you have updated to GB then the first time you must do the NVFlash method as there is no way to root the phone any other way at this time.
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It is fake in the sense that no matter what you do it isn't on the actual recovery partition and if the phone goes to hell in a handbasket then you have to flash one through NVFLASH anyways. Koush just happens to have a vested interest in people using Rom Manager.
Yes, STAY THE HELL AWAY FROM ROM MANAGER. Seriously, you're just asking for trouble.
I use rom manager all the time. It works great for downloading and flashing roms on the fly... but just NVFlash first.
NVFlash takes like 3.5 seconds and your done. Nandroid backup and your good.
Then either download Rom manager or manually download and copy it to your SD card. Very very simple. Easiest phone ever to get going. You don't even need to worry about rooting first.
You'll gain root after flashing s custom rom. MIUI is my choice right now. CM7 is having problems after they merged the LG GB source.
MIUI 8.19 is found in the rom forums. Weapon is also nice but lacks some extras I'm used to.
LG G2x - 2.3.5 MIUI Love
Asus TF - Custom 3.2
I have rooted my LG G2X and flashed the Clockwork Recovery image using ROM Manager. I have read that this is a "fake flash" but I have booted into recovery using ROM Manager and done a nandroid backup and it seems to work fine? I have a 2 GIG SD installed and it looks like Clockwork only works from the external SD card?
I am running the stock ROM at the moment until I can find a stable custom ROM to use as my daily driver. I want to keep the phone rooted and the recovery image intact until I find a stable custom ROM.
I am looking for the procedure to flash back to stock recovery and unroot if I have to return the phone for repair to T-Mobile in the future. If there is a stock recovery image that can be flashed using clockwork or a one-click method, I would greatly appreciate it.
I have the G2X Model LG P999
If you continue to boot into CWM using RomManager (for now) your stock recovery is still intact. If you want to return to stock from the point you're at, stick the stock nandroid restore image on your sd card and restore it. Then uninstall Titanium Backup and unroot the phone using the SuperOneClick root program. If you would like to continue flashing ROMs I suggest doing a *real* flash of CWM (which you can still reverse in the future) in case you end up in boot loops and cannot access RomManager. All links are below.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1048274 (Stock NANDROID Restore)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1056847 (OneClick CWM flasher, can also flash stock recovery)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1039985 (SuperOneClick Root, can also unroot)
I have:
Infuse
Infused ROM V2
So today I downloaded "ROM Manager" and "ROM Manager Premium" from the market. AFAIK, this means they are up to date as of today.
Then installed CWM Recovery.
Then installed the 3e mod fix.
Then booted to CWM and did a nandroid backup.
Then booted normally.
Then attempted to install MYUI via ROM Manager download.
It bricked the phone.
Restored the phone with Odin.
Rooted.
Then installed both ROM Managers.
Then installed CWM Recovery.
Then installed the 3e mod fix.
Then booted to CWM and did a restore from the new backup done earlier in the day.
Now it just hangs at the Samsung splash screen.
Any ideas? I have a LOT of investment in the backed up ROM and don't want to lose it.
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I have:
Infuse
Infused ROM V2
So today I downloaded "ROM Manager" and "ROM Manager Premium" from the market. AFAIK, this means they are up to date as of today.
Then installed CWM Recovery.
Then installed the 3e mod fix.
Then booted to CWM and did a nandroid backup.
Then booted normally.
Then attempted to install MYUI via ROM Manager download.
It bricked the phone.
Restored the phone with Odin.
Rooted.
Then installed both ROM Managers.
Then installed CWM Recovery.
Then installed the 3e mod fix.
Then booted to CWM and did a restore from the new backup done earlier in the day.
Now it just hangs at the Samsung splash screen.
Any ideas? I have a LOT of investment in the backed up ROM and don't want to lose it.
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I dont know what ALOT of investment is.......but what i think happened here is this<<
You were on Gingerbread right, Infused v2.x.x and you made a Nandroid(thats fine)
u installed miUi and didnt have the luck you wanted...Thats fine
You went back to stock, and rooted and modded the Recovery so you could restore your nandroid....Thats fine
But if you went back to stock(Froyo Right) and try to load up a Gringerbread Nandroid on top it shouldnt work. Nandroids only back up the ROM not the Kernel......so you were in a sense trying to run a Gingerbread Rom on a Stock Froyo Kernel......
Go into CWM flash your Kernel, or use odin and flash a Ginger Kernel then go into CWM and RESTORE.
Happy FLashing
Didn't know that! That may explain a lot of my ROM frustrations.
I'll try this and report back.
Off to go find a suitable kernel....
I really should get my post count up so I can get past this horrible 10 post restriction.
Did you try initiating the flash through CWM or through ROM Manager? Honestly I don't prefer to do any work via ROM Manager, I always have more luck going through CWM and starting a flash from there. Kernel is the first place I'd start but you should also Factory Wipe and Cache Wipe each time you move between ROMs, sometimes you get very lucky and don't need to, most times you bork your phone, and if you're nandroiding back from a backup wiping before you restore is good practice just to make sure you don't leave anything behind from your old ROM.
I installed a gingerbread kernel:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1212485
Version 1.1.
But it didn't work out.
So now I'm fighting with trying to get a stock Infused V2 ROM on there.
No luck yet. Once I do, I'll try the recovery again.
Btw, I'm using CWM for everything.
Go to mounts and storage in clockwork recovery then select format system then do your nand restore ...
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Wow, I was totally making some rookie (which I am) Android mistakes today.
Every time I tried to restore the backup image, I was doing it in CWM by selecting "install .zip from SD card". When I SHOULD have been using the "backup/restore" function.
I'm up & running again. All original apps/settings are restored. Great!
Now to start breaking things again, since I know how to restore from backup now.
I hear some people use it some say it doesent work. Does it work? Is it worth installing? Just want to know if its worth my time or not lol
Sent from my LG-P999
MIUI 2.3.2
The problem with ROM manager and the G2x is that the proper method of installing the recovery is is not used. If you install recovery from ROM manager it does install a fake recovery that is basically a use-once recovery. The proper method to install the recovery on the G2x is to use NVFLASH to low level flash it. Once you install the recovery in this method the device is almost unbrickable.
Many functions in ROM manager do not work with the NVFLASH installed recovery so this kinda renders ROM manager useless. I think the only function in ROM Manager that has some merit is the fix permissions, but you can run the same thing faster from CWM recovery that is installed through NVFLASH.
A side benefit to using NVFLASH is that you do not have to root your device to install it since it is a much lower level than the OS. You can install recovery, backup the stock OS, then flash a custom ROM. If you want to go back to stock just restore the backup and use the NVFLASH program to install the stock recovery and you are back to stock for repairs or whatever.
Link to NVFlash: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1056847
I've installed recovery with nvflash but and works great but just wondering cause roms will come with ROM manager installed and I'm just wondering if I'm missing anything I guess by not letting it install its "fake" recovery or if it will mess up my nvflash version?
Sent from my LG-P999
MIUI 2.3.2
"Thanks Richie390"
I have never tried allowing ROM Manager to install the fake recovery but I do not think that it will be harmful to the NVFLASH recovery.
I believe this because many people use ROM Manager without knowing and post here that they bricked their devices and the stock recovery is always reachable. Also I bought my G2x from craigslist from someone that used ROM Manager and "bricked" the phone. I was able to fix it using the NVFLASH to flash CWM and install CM7.
Some roms (like Bionix) come with Rom Manager because the user can track OTA updates of the Rom they're using, so if the dev releases a new version, the user will get a notification that an update is available for download, if the dev set it up right.
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