[Q] reg. stock gmail app vs K-9 in andorid-activesync - General Questions and Answers

As we all know, keeping "activesync" on would drain your Android phone's battery pretty quickly. but if i turn in off, "push" does not work. when a thrid party app like K-9 mail can deliver mail almsot at real times with only background data on(and push off) why cant we get same functionality on stock gmail app?

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Liberated FR008 & Exhange ActiveSync

Hey guys-
I recently went from Liberated b005 to the FR008 and everything is working great except one thing: Exchange ActiveSync.
I have my normal email with gmail, and my business email & calendar is on Exchange. I am using the HTC "Mail" app on the phone. The problem is that it does not get the mail in a timely fashion. With the previous Liberated b005 Eclair it worked perfectly, just as expected, with no tweaking required. I'd get mail on my phone within a few minutes of when I got it on my PC. But now I generally have to open the Mail app and manually refresh it to get any Exchange mail.
Under "Accounts & sync" settings, I have "Background data" checked and "Auto-sync" (which I understand is aka "push email") is unchecked. Maybe it works right with Auto-sync checked but my battery life is horrible with it set that way.
I have "Exchange ActiveSync" account
Under "Data and synchronization" for that account, it has:
Schedule: Manual
Sync mail: checked
Sync contacts: not checked
Sync calendar: checked
If I click "Schedule", it has "Peak time" which is Mon-Fri 7:30am-7:00pm, and then "Frequency" Peak times: Every 15 minutes and Off-peak times: Every hour
I don't recall these "peak time" and etc. from the b005 settings. It just seemed to work as expected without me having to fool with it.
Any ideas why this isn't syncing my mail ever 15 minutes as I would expect during "peak time"?
Oh and by the way, thanks attn1 for the ROMs. This stuff is brilliant.
i don't think theres anything particularly wrong with what the app is doing.
you put that the schedule is manual...rather than you manually setting it, perhaps it means it only refreshes when you refresh it manually?
i would set it to auto sync and perhaps change a few other things to manage battery life better? disable gps/wifi when not needed, lower screen brightness all that stuff.
i know i'm not extraordinarily helpful, but thats all i've got.
Well, clearly under the "manual" settings, it appears that it's supposed to be doing something automatically.
I already manage gps & wifi and all that other stuff to improve battery life. I still have to charge the phone mid-day. Turning on Auto-sync may "fix" my mail issue (work around it, really), but the cost is way too high in terms of battery life.
mr72 said:
Hey guys-
I recently went from Liberated b005 to the FR008 and everything is working great except one thing: Exchange ActiveSync.
I have my normal email with gmail, and my business email & calendar is on Exchange. I am using the HTC "Mail" app on the phone. The problem is that it does not get the mail in a timely fashion. With the previous Liberated b005 Eclair it worked perfectly, just as expected, with no tweaking required. I'd get mail on my phone within a few minutes of when I got it on my PC. But now I generally have to open the Mail app and manually refresh it to get any Exchange mail.
Under "Accounts & sync" settings, I have "Background data" checked and "Auto-sync" (which I understand is aka "push email") is unchecked. Maybe it works right with Auto-sync checked but my battery life is horrible with it set that way.
I have "Exchange ActiveSync" account
Under "Data and synchronization" for that account, it has:
Schedule: Manual
Sync mail: checked
Sync contacts: not checked
Sync calendar: checked
If I click "Schedule", it has "Peak time" which is Mon-Fri 7:30am-7:00pm, and then "Frequency" Peak times: Every 15 minutes and Off-peak times: Every hour
I don't recall these "peak time" and etc. from the b005 settings. It just seemed to work as expected without me having to fool with it.
Any ideas why this isn't syncing my mail ever 15 minutes as I would expect during "peak time"?
Oh and by the way, thanks attn1 for the ROMs. This stuff is brilliant.
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I have my exchange account set as follows:
Days: Every day
Peak time start: 05:00
Peak time end: 22:00
Peak times: As items arrive
Off-peak times: Every 4 hours
Works brilliantly.
First off I think "Auto-sync" being off is your issue. I do not believe that the "Auto-sync" setting refers to "push mail". I believe the auto-sync setting is general for all apps and how they are allowed to sync data either manual or automagically, where as push mail has to do with your mail client only. I believe setting your exchange account to receive items as they arrive is "push mail". I have Auto-sync enabled.
Think of it this way, your schedule settings are for the exchange app in particular where as the "auto-sync" setting is for all apps that use a data connection so no matter what you specify in the app settings, the general data sync settings will over ride them. By turning off auto-sync you are telling your phone to not allow any app to sync on it's own but to allow the app to sync when it is launched manually.
The only other thought that comes to mind is that if you are using wifi and connected to the same network that your exchange server is on, your phone will not be able to sync your mail unless you turn off your wifi or you have your wifi set to sleep after 15 minutes of phone sleep. Once your wifi sleeps your exchange mail will use the carrier network and be able to sync.
OK, I get it.
"Background Data" is aka "push"? Or, in other words, there is no way to allow a timed sync like a normal old fashioned email app, while also disabling push email, correct?
mr72 said:
OK, I get it.
"Background Data" is aka "push"? Or, in other words, there is no way to allow a timed sync like a normal old fashioned email app, while also disabling push email, correct?
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Push refers to how an exchange server sends email to your mobile client, it has nothing to do with the "background data" or "auto-sync" settings. No matter how you want your exchange client to sync, either timed like every 5 minutes or immediately when items are received, you have to have "auto-sync" enabled for it to work.
Let's break it down like this:
With "auto-sync" enabled your mail should update per the schedule you set automatically without launching the app.
With "auto-sync" disabled your mail will only update when you launch it from the application shortcut.
Does that make sense?
NOTE: Background data must be enabled as well.
mr72 said:
Well, clearly under the "manual" settings, it appears that it's supposed to be doing something automatically.
I already manage gps & wifi and all that other stuff to improve battery life. I still have to charge the phone mid-day. Turning on Auto-sync may "fix" my mail issue (work around it, really), but the cost is way too high in terms of battery life.
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turning on auto sync isn't a work-around; as a$$h4t pointed out, it is a solution. for your phone to grab mail as per your schedule, auto sync must be enabled.
as far as your battery woes go, i'm at a loss as to how it could be draining so much if you already manage your battery life pretty well. i would install the app watchdog task manager to keep an eye on any processes trying to eat more battery than they need to.
also, a readthrough of this tutorial never hurts.
mr72 said:
Under "Accounts & sync" settings, I have "Background data" checked and "Auto-sync" (which I understand is aka "push email") is unchecked.
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The Background/Auto-sync settings are purely advisory, and many apps ignore them completely. To change the HTC mail sync behavior you need to change the settings in the HTC mail prefs.
When you do set Background and/or Auto-sync, most of the Google apps (and some of the HTC ones) start polling the network regularly, which is what kills your battery. Weather, stocks, gmail, etc etc. In my experience it takes quite a lot of tweaking to run them all down. Once done though, I've been able to re-enable those global settings without killing the battery.
thanks for the tips. Auto-sync is working fine now with Exchange and it's not draining the battery unduly, well not any more than it drains it with auto-sync turned off.
I can't seem to remove apps like News & Weather, GMail, Stocks, etc. that would use background data services and which I do not ever use. Guess I can just delete the apk files.
mr72 said:
thanks for the tips. Auto-sync is working fine now with Exchange and it's not draining the battery unduly, well not any more than it drains it with auto-sync turned off.
I can't seem to remove apps like News & Weather, GMail, Stocks, etc. that would use background data services and which I do not ever use. Guess I can just delete the apk files.
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You can go into settings under "Accounts & sync" and go into each account that you don't want to sync and uncheck sync. I usually do that with news, stocks and weather right off the bat when I set up a phone. That will cut down on the background data and help with your battery life.
mr72 said:
thanks for the tips. Auto-sync is working fine now with Exchange and it's not draining the battery unduly, well not any more than it drains it with auto-sync turned off.
I can't seem to remove apps like News & Weather, GMail, Stocks, etc. that would use background data services and which I do not ever use. Guess I can just delete the apk files.
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you can remove certain system apps via this method. i always do this for facebook, news/weather, stocks and things like that.
and for more battery help, check this out.
thanks. i'll check it out. location-based wifi would be the bomb for battery saving, but Y5 does not work on Froyo/Aria and everything else that has this feature is a paid app... guess I just am not yet willing to spring for it. Cheap == me.

K-9 mail

Noticing today my internet modem and router lights flashing away, discovered it's my K-9 email, and in the app "OSmonitor" K-9 is using between 6% and 26%
Only if I disable the K-9 "push" does it decrease all the usage, settings are the same as I've always had. (trying it with "poll" once per minute)
Wondering if anyone understands well the settings for it. I realize with the setting it's on, it's always checking for mail, but didn't seem to be taking internet and OS resources so much before.
Thanks

K-9 Mail + Juice Defender Ultimate = no mail sync

OK, so Juice Defender and K-9 Mail are both quite popular.
I am running CM7 on an HTC Aria (Liberty). Trying to get a hair more battery life with JD, but unfortunately with JD enabled, my email does not sync, ever, using K-9 mail.
K-9 is set to poll every 15 minutes for two accounts (no push).
JD is set up with essentially the default settings. K-9 is on the list of apps to work all the time including screen off.
Anyone have any clues about how to make these two apps work together?
Don't know how to get those two things working together but if you are trying to achieve good battery life outta your device then please uninstall JD, it causes more drain than saving it. Read XDA topics, it has been stated already.
Regards.

Mail issues w/ Exchange

I've noticed that my Mail app - which I only use for corporate exchange email - occasionally causes extremely heavy battery drain, enough to kill 40-50% battery life halfway through a day. I've found no pattern for the problem, but here's what I've noticed so far when having the issue:
-Mail using upwards of 50-60% of battery consumption
-Outgoing Mail hangs up and requires multiple resend attempts and/or killing the mail service and retrying a few times.
-Settings>Apps> Running list shows 2 mail apps: EASAppSvc and EASDirectPush, running for different durations of time. (typically only shows EASAppSvc when functioning 'normally.')
-Task Manager always shows just the one main Mail app.
-Killing DirectPush seems to help the problem, but not sure if this is directly related or just triggers something else.
I can't tell if this is related to my corporate server or my phone, but while I'm at work, I've noticed my desktop email application (Outlook) working as expected but the phone Mail app having the apparent sync connectivity issues.
Currently fully stock on the OTA version of 1.85. Had the same problem on fully stock 1.73, as well. Any thoughts on how to fix this connection issue or at least what may be the root of the problem? Has anyone else had this happen? There are a number of posts about activesync delays, but all of my mail is coming in on time and as expected, it's just the sending and constant battery drain that seem to pop up for me.
Other settings of note:
-Push email during peak (not smartsync).
-Peak time set to 7am-10pm. Off peak sync set to every hour.

Knox mail sync battery drain

Hi guys,
I've used my Galaxy S6 for two months through work and I like it... sort of.
Lag spikes are normal, compared to my Moto X 2014 which runs smoothly. However, this is not what really bothers me.
I've set up Knox to work with my corporate Exchange server.
The mail app has been set to manually sync, as push and timed sync drained my battery incredibly fast.
Even now with sync settings on manual, the phone chews through at least 5-10% per hour. As soon as I disable my email connection or disable Knox, the battery drain stops.
Is there an alternative app that can be used in Knox? I've tried Outlook but it doesn't allow me to specify a certificate or enforce SSL.
I would prefer to use something other than the built in email app, as that seem to be the source according to other forum posts.
Even better: is there any way of plugging the battery drain without loosing Knox email capability?
Thanks!
I'm using the email app Nine in Knox and it's great. No problems that I can see. Nine is a paid app but there is a trial period.
Another one to try is Mailwise. It's totally free.
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