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I've moved this discussion from the Kaiser_Diamond_Version_1 Thread to open it up for more discussion.
I took a very aggressive Mod Stance in the thread as within minutes of it's creation we were already on page four of posts like:
"Woot I'm first", "Where is the link", "OMG IDK WTF", and such.
Within the first 30 minutes (all before the link was posted) I had removed about 20 pages of worthless posts.
So, users of XDA-Devs give me your feedback on this...
Excuse me? Trying to make the forum more readable of all of you members, remember even with our recent pay increase ($0 added to our already excessive salary of $0) we are still underpaid and overworked allowed the privlige of getting the heel of the boot from members who don't agree with our decisions.
Do you think nobody will complain when the first usable post is somewhere around page 112?
(but of course this post will be deleted within a few minutes also so enjoy and reply while you can)
standbackiamcrazy said:
thanks for all of your hard work, but where is the humanity? and the facist moderating of this forum, i say free ranting! and also free love,(any offers?)
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Ask questions & take interest sure but 100 pages of "Woot" & "I got first post" or "Man where the %&^#$ is the DL Link" will only serve to flush this thread before the Rom is even released.
orithm said:
Are you deleting posts kyphur? Can't we ask questions and take and interest?
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orithm said:
Are you deleting posts kyphur? Can't we ask questions and take and interest?
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he is doing his job and trying to keep thread clean to discuss issues.
leo, if u have time, can u plz post benchmarks so we can compare how rom stacks against others?
Jealous, no... Everybody plays, everybody wins.
You completely missed the point of what I'm doing here. Think about what you just said, you've made now 4 posts about something that hasn't been released yet and not one of them was relevant to the topic at hand.
So we end-up with 500 posts in the thread that you have to wade through to get to the 58 which really have something to say about the Rom (once it's released) and everyone wonders why so many members simply start new threads or ask a question that has already been answered 12 times in the thread.
My threads are clean(er) because I aggressivly moderate them. I'm simply expanding that policy into this thread because I know it's gonna be huge even if it is cut down to only the essential posts.
NOTE: even this discussion about my over-aggressive moderation will be removed from the thread (although I just might make it a new thread to allow for discussion of it).
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Kyphur, I have a lot of respect for u and what you do for this community. But emotions are also important. You deleted 3 of my messages... And they were not that bad... Also Everybody find its way trough the messages Leo gets. Within 2 days he gets more than 20 pages..
Jealous???
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kyphur said:
Excuse me? Trying to make the forum more readable of all of you members, remember even with our recent pay increase ($0 added to our already excessive salary of $0) we are still underpaid and overworked allowed the privlige of getting the heel of the boot from members who don't agree with our decisions.
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I would really like to thank you for moderating this fourm and deleting my message before I got the chance to delete it myself after your post.
Seriously thanks for the hard work and feel free to delete this.
Kyphur thanks man
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Jealous, no... Everybody plays, everybody wins.
You completely missed the point of what I'm doing here. Think about what you just said, you've made now 4 posts about something that hasn't been released yet and not one of them was relevant to the topic at hand.
So we end-up with 500 posts in the thread that you have to wade through to get to the 58 which really have something to say about the Rom (once it's released) and everyone wonders why so many members simply start new threads or ask a question that has already been answered 12 times in the thread.
My threads are clean(er) because I aggressivly moderate them. I'm simply expanding that policy into this thread because I know it's gonna be huge even if it is cut down to only the essential posts.
NOTE: even this discussion about my over-aggressive moderation will be removed from the thread (although I just might make it a new thread to allow for discussion of it).
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kyphur said:
Excuse me? Trying to make the forum more readable of all of you members, remember even with our recent pay increase ($0 added to our already excessive salary of $0) we are still underpaid and overworked allowed the privlige of getting the heel of the boot from members who don't agree with our decisions.QUOTE]
I would really like to thank you for moderating this fourm and deleting my message before I got the chance to delete it myself after your post.
Seriously thanks for the hard work and feel free to delete this.
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Are you serious? - answers to my questions were not deleted but the questions were, me thinks slightly over zealous..........
EDIT: WONDER HOW LONG TILL THIS GETS DELETED
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I think deleting genuine posts has meant the post has turned into that not the fab new diamond based rom we are about to receive.
As this is the first diamond rom there will many pertinant questions not currently answered in the first post and the opportunity at least to ask should be there, even if this will need some tidying up later...IMO
Ah, but your question was quoted in the answer so instead of leaving 2 posts I left the one that contained all of the content
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Are you serious? - answers to my questions were not deleted but the questions were, me thinks slightly over zealous..........
EDIT: WONDER HOW LONG TILL THIS GETS DELETED
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Ah, but your question was quoted in the answer so instead of leaving 2 posts I left the one that contained all of the content
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My point is rather than moderating minute by minute allow there to be some questions and answers and then tidy it up. OK most posts dont add value (like this one which you can kindly delete) but does it matter? It doesn't matter deleting them I guess but it just feels a bit crappy to find out your geniune posts have been deleted 5 minutes after posting.
I've never had a Rom chef get upset about this kind of trimming and in fact Leo has thanked me for the house cleaning.
Trimming excess content from a thread is Moderator Discretion and I don't often use that as a reason to remove posts. As I said this is gong to be a bear of a thread just becuase it's the first Diamond Port so I'm just doing some preventive maintenance and trying to set the tone early on.
I will be moving all posts regarding my moeration from this thread into another thread in one of the General Forums (later this evening) so we can talk this out if anyone likes.
Everyone's input is appreciated and taken into consideration but I have seen many excellent Rom Chefs walk out of the kitchen because of too many useless posts like "Woot I got first" or "can't wait for the link" etc.
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So, while I appreciate everything you have done for us Kypher, and with all due respect, I think you are overstepping your bounds. If you strongly disagree I would talk it over with the site admins and update forum rules accordingly. If there is a forum rule that already prohibits this (other than an all inclusive "moderator discretion" then please point me to it).
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kyphur said:
I've never had a Rom chef get upset about this kind of trimming and in fact Leo has thanked me for the house cleaning.
Trimming excess content from a thread is Moderator Discretion and I don't often use that as a reason to remove posts. As I said this is gong to be a bear of a thread just becuase it's the first Diamond Port so I'm just doing some preventive maintenance and trying to set the tone early on.
I will be moving all posts regarding my moeration from this thread into another thread in one of the General Forums (later this evening) so we can talk this out if anyone likes.
Everyone's input is appreciated and taken into consideration but I have seen many excellent Rom Chefs walk out of the kitchen because of too many useless posts like "Woot I got first" or "can't wait for the link" etc.
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great point Kyphur i dont post as many of other user but many people post useless junk like the one you told, let it be people and mantain these forum clean of junk
sorry to post another (useless) post with regards to the title, but i had to speak up my opinion about this.
i really really appreciate the job kyphur and all the other moderators are doing in terms of deleting, cleaning, etc. to be honest, if we hadnt been this used to talk a lot and not say anything, this "job" would not exist. when a noob goes asking questions without searching, everybody starts flaming, but it is just because these insane 100-page threads that they are not reading.
and btw, im active on other forums as well, on different matters, and trust me, this is a more than free and common-sense forum in my opinion. i simply love it.
so lets stop posting useless posts and go to the subject thinking about the others as well, people who want to find out real things about this ROM, for example, and not other BS. for example, i was just trying to find out whether this is more than a diamond-ringtone ROM or not. i managed to find this out after 5-6 pages of threads.
to be honest, even the "im downloading now, thanks a million" posts i find useless. there should be a place with all the master cooks names where they could get thanks and donation and that should not count against the user post count. im wondering how many of those "thanks, ure a GOD", etc. kind of guys would still thank.
just my 2 cents on the matter...
kyphur said:
Jealous, no... Everybody plays, everybody wins.
You completely missed the point of what I'm doing here. Think about what you just said, you've made now 4 posts about something that hasn't been released yet and not one of them was relevant to the topic at hand.
So we end-up with 500 posts in the thread that you have to wade through to get to the 58 which really have something to say about the Rom (once it's released) and everyone wonders why so many members simply start new threads or ask a question that has already been answered 12 times in the thread.
My threads are clean(er) because I aggressivly moderate them. I'm simply expanding that policy into this thread because I know it's gonna be huge even if it is cut down to only the essential posts.
NOTE: even this discussion about my over-aggressive moderation will be removed from the thread (although I just might make it a new thread to allow for discussion of it).
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ionutz6 said:
sorry to post another (useless) post with regards to the title, but i had to speak up my opinion about this.
i really really appreciate the job kyphur and all the other moderators are doing in terms of deleting, cleaning, etc. to be honest, if we hadnt been this used to talk a lot and not say anything, this "job" would not exist. when a noob goes asking questions without searching, everybody starts flaming, but it is just because these insane 100-page threads that they are not reading.
and btw, im active on other forums as well, on different matters, and trust me, this is a more than free and common-sense forum in my opinion. i simply love it.
so lets stop posting useless posts and go to the subject thinking about the others as well, people who want to find out real things about this ROM, for example, and not other BS. for example, i was just trying to find out whether this is more than a diamond-ringtone ROM or not. i managed to find this out after 5-6 pages of threads.
to be honest, even the "im downloading now, thanks a million" posts i find useless. there should be a place with all the master cooks names where they could get thanks and donation and that should not count against the user post count. im wondering how many of those "thanks, ure a GOD", etc. kind of guys would still thank.
just my 2 cents on the matter...
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ionutule you are so right. There are many ways the topic can be organized. Seperate bug topics for example, or some Thank you tools (a post after the 1st one where all thanks stay together (i dont know if there is such a hack for this forum).
Eitherway... my respect to the rest of the chefs and the mods who r trying to keep mess out of the forums
I like many others experienced developers do not appreciate going thru the reg process and then being told I cannot post except in the kiddy forums. (Q$A or General). I have read xda forums for the better part of 4 months and don’t feel like being baby sat!
Here is my 1st post only 9 more I have no general questions as I got past that YEARS AGO. I will play nice I will play nice ...
I was going to post some VALID comments and was blocked.
Sorry for rant but... I wont go on.
updated to AT$T 2.2 and now on quest to root
I have to get this bloatware off this phone one way or another. I cant stand paying for a phone and then being unable to get the junkware off.
Has anyone had success with rooting the stock ATT 2.2 rom. The update.zip files dont seem to work anymore.
I am just posting this here so I can get my post count up so I can participate in the dev forums.
Later.
Mark
It only takes 8 posts for the admins to approve your account for full membership, and getting to post in development.
8 posts. wait an hour or less. done!
8 posts isnt hard and isnt treating anyone like a child.
thank u for the info, TRusselo ...
I agree, the post minimum should only apply when starting a thread in dev, not fair to apply it to replys. If you need to reply in a thread then more power to you. If your wish is to start a thread in dev to ask a question then I will inform you now to post it in q&a as it will be moved there
Well why not just be in the Q&A forum and help people out by answering their questions? You help people and you get your post count up.
No offense to the OP, but that's probably one of the dumbest posts I've seen here. It doesn't matter if you're a programmer/developer/what-have-you, just because you spend 4 months lurking and don't contribute a single post doesn't give you any kind of authoritative measure as to how the posting should be govern regardless of your literacy on the matter of programming/hacking.
The more educated tend to be the most antidisestablishmentarists there are.... The Rule for 10 posts really is more dealing with the noobs that have no idea the difference between a smartphone and a smart-ass... Ergo the rule, just post 10 times and move on.
Love Android ......... can't wait until the next flash !!!!!
Well,I for one don't like the whole 10 posts idea.Why?There are people who can contribute from their first moment here,without having a single post,and there are others who have hundreds or even thousands of posts,but cannot help anybody,not even themselves.Number of posts doesn't make you a noob,nor does it un-noob you if you have it in you.
tolis626 said:
Well,I for one don't like the whole 10 posts idea.Why?There are people who can contribute from their first moment here,without having a single post,and there are others who have hundreds or even thousands of posts,but cannot help anybody,not even themselves.Number of posts doesn't make you a noob,nor does it un-noob you if you have it in you.
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It's also to curb spambots with their single-post filled with links. Any other questions?
lude219 said:
It's also to curb spambots with their single-post filled with links. Any other questions?
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that one makes sense ...
lude219 said:
No offense to the OP, but that's probably one of the dumbest posts I've seen here. It doesn't matter if you're a programmer/developer/what-have-you, just because you spend 4 months lurking and don't contribute a single post doesn't give you any kind of authoritative measure as to how the posting should be govern regardless of your literacy on the matter of programming/hacking.
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No lurking at all. I spent four months researching and doing things in android w/o posting a bunch of stupid questions for things that have been already answered. I am sorry if your feelings were hurt.
All that rule accomplished was that I didn’t post an observation that I saw while trying to root the stock 2.2 ATT ROM. But since I couldn’t post I guess I will just let others figure it out on their own.
It is not so much my literacy on programming / hacking it is the assumption that I am a spammer and or a stupid kid that won’t use search to find answers to questions that have already been asked.
The one post per every 5 minutes works for most spammers.
IN ADDITION if you didn’t get the obvious smiley connotations that it WAS MOSTLY SARCASM and a way to get startedd posting in the kid section. The end of the world didn’t come because I couldn’t post on an Android forum LOL I don’t have to say more, SARCASM!! Get it???
Well, removed the posts which are not meant for this section ( maybe off topic section ! )
And yes, if you have achieved all that you claim to have - as in the developer etc etc you could be kind enough and go over to the question answer 10 simple questions and bingo ! Post in the dev section, that would be appreciated way more than a rant.
But, your call.
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Why is it that I have to wait ten postings long to ask a question concerning a problem with a ROM I'm using? You want me really to do some generic blabla to wait till I'm "qualified enough" to post on a thread in the developement section? Oh and in the meantime I'll go to a public phone instead of using my mobile that is not working due to a problem from one of the ROM's on here. That is not very user friendly to say the least.
And eight more postings to go........
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Why is it that I have to wait ten postings long to ask a question concerning a problem with a ROM I'm using? You want me really to do some generic blabla to wait till I'm "qualified enough" to post on a thread in the developement section? Oh and in the meantime I'll go to a public phone instead of using my mobile that is not working due to a problem from one of the ROM's on here. That is not very user friendly to say the least.
And eight more postings to go........
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Well I guess you should have done better research huh. All the roms on XDA are betas as there is no promise it will work. Also making 10 valid posts is not that hard. Any pointless post count bumping will be deleted.
This is a developers forum
Not a users forum
zelendel said:
Well I guess you should have done better research huh. All the roms on XDA are betas as there is no promise it will work. Also making 10 valid posts is not that hard. Any pointless post count bumping will be deleted.
This is a developers forum
Not a users forum
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Dear Zelendel,
this has nothing to do with missing research. I've been using ROM's from the xda-community for some time now and never had any unsolvable problems so far. Therefore I had no reason to post. Right now i'm encountering a strange behaviour with the newest update of the ROM I'm using. And since there is no solution described in the thread of this ROM so far, I wanted to contribute something to make the developer aware of this problem and to better the ROM. Where else would user comments be more needed than in the developement section? What would be development without user feedback? Nothing, I'd say. And if you don't think so, you can delete half of the comments there since they're often not saying more than "oh, wifi support is missing, why is that", "can you integrate that feature from...", etc. And someone with 20 postings can write as much **** there as someone with five postings, and they often do. So the number of postings is not necessarily a quality indicator. It's just delaying feedback and in my case the recovery of my phone.
This not ment to insult anyone on this board, it's great to have it, it's a source of great software and information. It's just sometimes you can't relate to specific board rules and it's frustrating because it's hindering you getting problems solved.
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Did you try sending a PM to the Dev? Or maybe one of the regular rom users? This is normally alot faster way to get a reply. Most issues have been come across at least once before.
n0me said:
Why is it that I have to wait ten postings long to ask a question concerning a problem with a ROM I'm using? You want me really to do some generic blabla to wait till I'm "qualified enough" to post on a thread in the developement section? Oh and in the meantime I'll go to a public phone instead of using my mobile that is not working due to a problem from one of the ROM's on here. That is not very user friendly to say the least.
And eight more postings to go........
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Simple!
Its to cut down on the n00b crap that pollutes the dev forum. As already stated this is a dev forum not a support forum.
99.9% of things you could ask or post have already been posted so look and read before attempting to post.
Post your issue here and the rom you have issue with and Ill try and help, although its extremely likely all I will do is use search or read forum and get answer for you, which is what you should be doing really.
And before you said "I've already looked" etc, You obviously don't do it properly as this very topic you have created has already been created and discussed AT LENGTH!!
n0me said:
Dear Zelendel,
this has nothing to do with missing research. I've been using ROM's from the xda-community for some time now and never had any unsolvable problems so far. Therefore I had no reason to post. Right now i'm encountering a strange behaviour with the newest update of the ROM I'm using. And since there is no solution described in the thread of this ROM so far, I wanted to contribute something to make the developer aware of this problem and to better the ROM. Where else would user comments be more needed than in the developement section? What would be development without user feedback? Nothing, I'd say. And if you don't think so, you can delete half of the comments there since they're often not saying more than "oh, wifi support is missing, why is that", "can you integrate that feature from...", etc. And someone with 20 postings can write as much **** there as someone with five postings, and they often do. So the number of postings is not necessarily a quality indicator. It's just delaying feedback and in my case the recovery of my phone.
This not ment to insult anyone on this board, it's great to have it, it's a source of great software and information. It's just sometimes you can't relate to specific board rules and it's frustrating because it's hindering you getting problems solved.
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You may have been using ROM's for a long time, but obviously not XDA. The 10 post rule is to prevent spam from getting into the truly Development Forums. The moderators can deal with the spam in the general, but it has no place in the thread for a ROM. If you go through the pages of the general forum, you can find numerous spam posts. I'm not talking about a pointless post, I mean true spam...advertisements and such. These are posted by people with 1 or 2 posts. So instead of complaining, go to the off-topic section, knock out 10 posts in 30 seconds and you are good to go. It is protection FOR you, not AGAINST you.
I have been registered here for more then 2 years, I read and read and have questions from time to time. but either say screw the answer (if I cant find it) or look elsewhere.
I understand WHY the rule is a min. post count. But apparently there was something wrong with the site two years ago and the "Action Required to Activate Membership for xda-developers" email had problems. Without activating account you cant even see your profile OR post in the designated areas.... annoying to say the least since you dont even know that you didnt get an email you were suppose to.
So after resending the activation link just now on a hunch (and getting another error /shakes head) I am able to post and see my profile in full I believe, since the email came through despite the error on the board. Not to mention why I have 27 posts yet had to activate the account again!
Maybe the post count rule isnt the solution to the spam problem as it hinders the very development its meant to protect. Maybe with such a vast team to oversee things that harsher penalties for such spam posting could be implemented and the current post count rule be abandoned. But what do I know it seems the site fouled up in a unique way for my account....
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Did you try sending a PM to the Dev? Or maybe one of the regular rom users? This is normally alot faster way to get a reply. Most issues have been come across at least once before.
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I did send a private message to the developer and I have to see what comes out of this. But in my opinion it is a lot more molesting to write a p.m. than to post in a thread. Also I thought it might help others with the same problem to have it discussed in public.
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So instead of complaining, go to the off-topic section, knock out 10 posts in 30 seconds and you are good to go. It is protection FOR you, not AGAINST you.
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I tried exactly this, trying to post ten comments in some trash forum or a very very old thread and guess what! You have to wait five minutes between postings as a "newbie" and even better the post was deleted just a few minutes later, resetting my post count to zero again. Seems like moderators take their job very seriously at 3 a.m. cet So no chance this way.
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Simple!
Its to cut down on the n00b crap that pollutes the dev forum. As already stated this is a dev forum not a support forum.
99.9% of things you could ask or post have already been posted so look and read before attempting to post.
Post your issue here and the rom you have issue with and Ill try and help, although its extremely likely all I will do is use search or read forum and get answer for you, which is what you should be doing really.
And before you said "I've already looked" etc, You obviously don't do it properly as this very topic you have created has already been created and discussed AT LENGTH!!
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It seems you have more insight in the spam topic than I do. And it's good people look after spam. But sometimes these rules are just getting in the way of solving things.
As I pointed out before developers are nothing without the community and the feedback of the users. I guess most devs are not programming ROM after ROM just for the sake of it or giving it to their ten close friends, but to spread their good work to the community for everyone to benefit from it. And how many of the registered users on here are really devs? Is it more than 5 to 10%?
Posting my ROM-specific issue in the general section? How fast will moderators remind me that this is the wrong place and the posting will be removed or moved to the appropriate section. So maybe I will do this and get my post to the thread it belongs to without having ten postings after all
And yes I searched the thread all the way after the release of the recent ROM version to see if someone had the same problem. There were some hints people had, but no soultion was offered. So to boost problem solution and for the sake of solidarity with my fellow users I wanted to post there.
But maybe I will just save my time and instead of posting here any longer and just rebuild the phone from step one with a new ROM. Seems faster than to get help here.
Happy holidays...
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It seems you have more insight in the spam topic than I do. And it's good people look after spam. But sometimes these rules are just getting in the way of solving things.
As I pointed out before developers are nothing without the community and the feedback of the users. I guess most devs are not programming ROM after ROM just for the sake of it or giving it to their ten close friends, but to spread their good work to the community for everyone to benefit from it. And how many of the registered users on here are really devs? Is it more than 5 to 10%?
Posting my ROM-specific issue in the general section? How fast will moderators remind me that this is the wrong place and the posting will be removed or moved to the appropriate section. So maybe I will do this and get my post to the thread it belongs to without having ten postings after all
And yes I searched the thread all the way after the release of the recent ROM version to see if someone had the same problem. There were some hints people had, but no soultion was offered. So to boost problem solution and for the sake of solidarity with my fellow users I wanted to post there.
But maybe I will just save my time and instead of posting here any longer and just rebuild the phone from step one with a new ROM. Seems faster than to get help here.
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Many moon's ago before implementation of post rules there wasn't just a small amount of spam and most of our time was dishing out bans and removing threads so the implementation is to help users and XDA it may be a gripe to new users but it saves work load in the long run.
Besides 10 posts without being SPAM is easily achievable.
Sent from the valley of the shadows....
@ OP
No need to create tipple posts, You have a "multi-quote" button or an "edit" button.
The 10 post rule has absolutely nothing to do with advertising spam, Its simply to do with not allowing new users to post questions etc since any questions they have will have already been asked and people was getting sick of seeing the same ****. The limit is there to force users to sit back and have a good read instead of jumping in and posting as soon as they reach hurdle.
Also do not listen to the person who told you to post knock out 10 posts in 30 seconds as they will just get pruned by mods after users report you.
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@ OP
No need to create tipple posts, You have a "multi-quote" button or an "edit" button.
The 10 post rule has absolutely nothing to do with advertising spam, Its simply to do with not allowing new users to post questions etc since any questions they have will have already been asked and people was getting sick of seeing the same ****. The limit is there to force users to sit back and have a good read instead of jumping in and posting as soon as they reach hurdle.
Also do not listen to the person who told you to post knock out 10 posts in 30 seconds as they will just get pruned by mods after users report you.
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HAHAHA, so post 10 posts and you are not a noob. Get real buddy. And if you re read my post you will see that I said to do it in THE OFF TOPIC SECTION! I highly doubt he will get reported to a mod for posting in the "3 Word Story" thread. Grow up.
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HAHAHA, so post 10 posts and you are not a noob. Get real buddy. And if you re read my post you will see that I said to do it in THE OFF TOPIC SECTION! I highly doubt he will get reported to a mod for posting in the "3 Word Story" thread. Grow up.
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Firstly, When did I say or infer that posting 10 posts and you're not a n00b??
I said that the 10 post rule is to stop n00bs joining up and immediately jumping in and posting without first searching. Also yes he will get reported and posts pruned, even in off-topic section if they are his first posts and simply spamming to bypass 10 post rule.
Secondly, "grow up"?? wtf are you talking about? Have you been smoking crack with your family today for Xmas? If you are going to reply or contradict me at least try and make sense.
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Firstly, When did I say or infer that posting 10 posts and you're not a n00b??
I said that the 10 post rule is to stop n00bs joining up and immediately jumping in and posting without first searching. Also yes he will get reported and posts pruned, even in off-topic section if they are his first posts and simply spamming to bypass 10 post rule.
Secondly, "grow up"?? wtf are you talking about? Have you been smoking crack with your family today for Xmas? If you are going to reply or contradict me at least try and make sense.
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You are very lost and confused...
n0me said:
Why is it that I have to wait ten postings long to ask a question concerning a problem with a ROM I'm using? You want me really to do some generic blabla to wait till I'm "qualified enough" to post on a thread in the developement section? Oh and in the meantime I'll go to a public phone instead of using my mobile that is not working due to a problem from one of the ROM's on here. That is not very user friendly to say the least.
And eight more postings to go........
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Seriously, come on..
I fully understand this rule and I have "only" been a member since feb 2011..
Since I own a huge forum of my own I might have some info to bring forward to you.
If you allow newbies to post everywhere, where do you think the forum will be placed?
a) In the top of active forum list?
b) In the spammers heaven list?
And a follow up to that, where do you think a forum owner would like to end up?
All right kids knock it off. The 10 post rule is there for a reason and it is not hard to make 10 good posts.
As for the question of what would be posted if users couldn't post? Well check my sign for that answer. Before android hit the masses, the posts in Dev based threads were Dev related posts offering fixes. If something is broken in a rom your using then dig in and try to fix it. That is what XDA is here for. To help others learn. Rom makers do it for the fun of it and decide to share. Some also include small bugs to see who will try to help fix it by providing good info and possible fixes and who will post "huh this is broke please fix"
Meanwhile back at the ranch...
Ok, to end this thread, I restored the phone yesterday using the good old diy-trial-and-error method. Works like a charm again with the old ROM. I have to see where I go from here ROM-wise. I will probably change the ROM and move to a more user-focused community. Meanwhile the dev got back to my p.m. explaining what could have caused the problem, which is very kind of him. So thanks to ladyboo for helping out.
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I will probably change the ROM and move to a more user-focused community.
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lol, good luck finding a forum with even 1% of the roms/releasers/info that XDA has
LMAO!! So...I think he got his 10 posts here...
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LMAO!! So...I think he got his 10 posts here...
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But I understand the need for 10 posts...It's really not that hard. and in the case of an emergency...PM the dev.. I did
I would like to help out with the Cyanogen 7.2 port to the Wildfire S but I can't post in the DEV forums even with 11 posts.
Am I being impatient or do I have more hurdles to hop just so I can be of use to the community?
I know I'm new here, and yes I read the reasoning for the 10 post rule, but it's silly and it's quite frustrating to somebody who not only understands how to read forum rules and etiquette, but also could be helping out with a great project but I'm held back because I must be a "noob"
BTW I know you mods think this isn't true but it really does force new users to have to "spam" in some way shape or form just to be able to help out in the developer forums. I didn't go around posting a bunch of useless junk but my posts would have been more useful and well thought out if they weren't aimed more or less as gaining my 10 count of posts.
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I agree. I'm in same situation and think this 10 post rule is really frustrating.
This is my first "spam" post
I believe that a moderator has to go over your posts, make sure they are valid and not spam (by spam I mean real spam, against forum rules, or just saying that you need ten posts) and then they'll move you from junior member to just "member", allowing you to post in development forums. They do this on a schedule, if I have read correctly. All of your posts seem legit, and you've helped out, so just wait it out.
In the meantime you can pm whoever you need to reach if it's applicable in your case. Good luck, and welcome to the forums!
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I believe that a moderator has to go over your posts, make sure they are valid and not spam (by spam I mean real spam, against forum rules, or just saying that you need ten posts) and then they'll move you from junior member to just "member", allowing you to post in development forums.
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A user needs 30 posts to become a "member".
Regardless, the solution is still acceptable since cases such as yourself are rare. Happy XDAing however.
Has anyone ever noticed only people with less than 10 posts complain about this rule? You never see people that were stuck by this rule a few weeks ago say how it sucked, and was unfair.
You will see a lot of people with 100+ posts say that 10 posts isn't enough, but you never see anyone with more than 15 posts complain. I always found that interesting. Once people get over the hurdle, they start to feel less a n00b and notice all the n00bs that are so ignorant, and impatient, something they never were.
I agree with the rule, once you have some posts down, and get a feel for how these forums work you realize the rule is far from exorbitant. I think at about 25 posts people discover there is a search button, and at 50 posts they realize that most threads have more than one page, and there is actual useful content between post one and the last post.
If it were up to me it would be 20 posts, AND 30 days before you could open a new thread in a non-dev section, and 100+ posts before you can start a thread in a dev section. To post a reply to an open dev thread with 10 posts seems low, but acceptable.
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quarlow said:
Has anyone ever noticed only people with less than 10 posts complain about this rule? You never see people that were stuck by this rule a few weeks ago say how it sucked, and was unfair.
You will see a lot of people with 100+ posts say that 10 posts isn't enough, but you never see anyone with more than 15 posts complain. I always found that interesting. Once people get over the hurdle, they start to feel less a n00b and notice all the n00bs that are so ignorant, and impatient, something they never were.
I agree with the rule, once you have some posts down, and get a feel for how these forums work you realize the rule is far from exorbitant. I think at about 25 posts people discover there is a search button, and at 50 posts they realize that most threads have more than one page, and there is actual useful content between post one and the last post.
If it were up to me it would be 20 posts, AND 30 days before you could open a new thread in a non-dev section, and 100+ posts before you can start a thread in a dev section. To post a reply to an open dev thread with 10 posts seems low, but acceptable.
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That's almost exactly what I wanted to say , but I didn't want to lecture .
quarlow said:
Has anyone ever noticed only people with less than 10 posts complain about this rule? You never see people that were stuck by this rule a few weeks ago say how it sucked, and was unfair.
You will see a lot of people with 100+ posts say that 10 posts isn't enough, but you never see anyone with more than 15 posts complain. I always found that interesting. Once people get over the hurdle, they start to feel less a n00b and notice all the n00bs that are so ignorant, and impatient, something they never were.
I agree with the rule, once you have some posts down, and get a feel for how these forums work you realize the rule is far from exorbitant. I think at about 25 posts people discover there is a search button, and at 50 posts they realize that most threads have more than one page, and there is actual useful content between post one and the last post.
If it were up to me it would be 20 posts, AND 30 days before you could open a new thread in a non-dev section, and 100+ posts before you can start a thread in a dev section. To post a reply to an open dev thread with 10 posts seems low, but acceptable.
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Thanks for the lecture.
Granted there are, and always will be, people with far less than even half a brain. Far more are just plain lazy and don't know how to search google. People also like to break rules, or just not read / follow them in the first place, I know what you're saying.
The frustrating part is that I've actually spent many many hours on these forums, just never had anything to contribute - I know the ropes, I get the gist of what is going on and where posts belong / where they dont but I found it annoying nontheless.
Anyway I'm not here, as a new member, trying to change any rules - I was more or less wondering what else I had to do, and somebody kindly answered my question for me above so I thank you for that.
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That's almost exactly what I wanted to say , but I didn't want to lecture .
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It's a dirty job, but someone's got to do it.
I wasn't trying to lecture, just respond to one rant with a rant of my own. It wasn't directed at the OP. He wasn't the first to gripe about this rule, and he won't be the last (even this week probably). That was my point, its a constant issue, but an issue that is always dropped as soon as the person hits the hurdle. If its such an unfair rule, why are there no advocates of repealing it (with more than 15 posts at the time)?
I agree with the OP, as I am in the same situation myself. I have spent weeks reading xda-dev posts, rooted my new Nook Tablets, learned from the experience and would like to contributed my experience and collaborate with other members. But due to this rule, I am forced to spend time on other topics, for which I am making less of a contribution to the community.
Regarding the reason why people with 100+ posts are not complaining about this rule... well, I think that is obvious -- they are now (hopefully) contributing to the community and do not want to waste their effort complaining. Otherwise people like myself and the OP could likely give-up out of frustration before ever finding enough less constructive posts to make. In these cases we all lose. We continue to make progress on our own (sometimes "re-inventing the wheel") but we could all be more productive together.
Preaching to the Choir here, but yeah, I'm commenting here because in other threads where I'd like to respond to a reply to a post I made, I can't.
What is odd is that I was able to post in Development threads at first and then couldn't.
Either way, walking the path because I am forced to...
Cheers
Even I've made 11 and can't post in the development thread I want. There's a great CM 12 Rom thread I need to post urgently and still can't post although I got 11. Really frustrated!
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Even I've made 11 and can't post in the development thread I want. There's a great CM 12 Rom thread I need to post urgently and still can't post although I got 11. Really frustrated!
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Some developers have put limits on which ranks of users are able to post in their threads. As of right now, you should be able to post in any thread on XDA, so that thread's OP may have set a rank limit, or perhaps it's a bug.
Let me know.
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Some developers have put limits on which ranks of users are able to post in their threads. As of right now, you should be able to post in any thread on XDA, so that thread's OP may have set a rank limit, or perhaps it's a bug.
Let me know.
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Yup I can post now. It seems all I needed to do was wait for an hour or so. I logged in after an hour and yay!
Hello All....
Sory before...i have join XDA forum, since time along ago.....
But, just from now i have been post in this forum...
Why? cause only member have 10 minimum post can reply the thread in every section...
I hope admin, can reduction this problem...cause, much member like me want to reply the thread but he can't....
anyway...thanks before for any respon....
This is exactly why there is 10 minimum useful posts rule.
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yes i also want to ask question on development forum.
Because of selfish people posting stuff like: "yo, I didnt read the guide or the faq lol so plz post a one-click exe so dat i can install the hackz0rz on my phone thx."
Personally, I don't think this 10 post limit is that effective. However, it might deter the worst offenders...
XDA has rules like this in place for a reason and if you don't like them, it's tough really. The rules won't simply change because a few people moan about them.
So you want to post in the development forums? Either it's going to be a question which belongs in Q&A, you saying "Thanks" for a ROM, or being genuine and reporting an issue with a certain ROM etc.
Now, if it belongs in Q&A, keep it in Q&A. If you just want to say 'thanks', there's a button for that. And if you want to report a problem, bug etc. then either the dev already knows about it because of someone else reporting it, OR it's something that can wait until you've made 10 helpful posts. (If it was something too major, the dev would already know about it)
Is it really so hard for you to make 10 constructive posts? The answer to that is no.
The best way to do that is to answer other people's problems and queries in the General and Q&A forums for your device. Now that's really not hard to do.
And, on a final note, as you'll notice here, if you stay around for long enough and help others out, it's only the people who have around 10 posts who moan about the rule. People who have passed this restriction don't keep *****ing about it or anything like that. They simply say, while it may not have been ideal, we'll do as instructed and stick to the rules so we can truly enjoy our time as part of this vibrant community.
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XDA has rules like this in place for a reason and if you don't like them, it's tough really. The rules won't simply change because a few people moan about them.
So you want to post in the development forums? Either it's going to be a question which belongs in Q&A, you saying "Thanks" for a ROM, or being genuine and reporting an issue with a certain ROM etc.
Now, if it belongs in Q&A, keep it in Q&A. If you just want to say 'thanks', there's a button for that. And if you want to report a problem, bug etc. then either the dev already knows about it because of someone else reporting it, OR it's something that can wait until you've made 10 helpful posts. (If it was something too major, the dev would already know about it)
Is it really so hard for you to make 10 constructive posts? The answer to that is no.
The best way to do that is to answer other people's problems and queries in the General and Q&A forums for your device. Now that's really not hard to do.
And, on a final note, as you'll notice here, if you stay around for long enough and help others out, it's only the people who have around 10 posts who moan about the rule. People who have passed this restriction don't keep *****ing about it or anything like that. They simply say, while it may not have been ideal, we'll do as instructed and stick to the rules so we can truly enjoy our time as part of this vibrant community.
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What he said, the rules are in place to stop normal users posting no dev stuff in the development section.
this is a rule, follow the rules and try to help.... and read a lot! learn a lot! and then help a lot!
I have often solutions for some problems, but i can't post in development. It's stupid (10 posts)
You can do another restrictions for spammers etc.
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I have often solutions for some problems, but i can't post in development. It's stupid (10 posts)
You can do another restrictions for spammers etc.
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If the rule was considered "stupid" then it wouldn't be in place. It's in place in an attempt to cut down on the spam and useless crap which goes into the development forums. There's no 100% way of stopping spam but at least this aides the solution.
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SphunaR said:
I have often solutions for some problems, but i can't post in development. It's stupid (10 posts)
You can do another restrictions for spammers etc.
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People still post ALOT that shouldnt be in the dev, but this is one way to slow it down
To many people post questions in the dev forum and so it had to be done
I think it's a good idea... personally i entered here to find answers to some questions about my phone (a Huawei U8180), but every single question that i had has already been answered... and i don't flood a thread with my silly questions... so... i think this method is good.
ompew said:
Hello All....
Sory before...i have join XDA forum, since time along ago.....
But, just from now i have been post in this forum...
Why? cause only member have 10 minimum post can reply the thread in every section...
I hope admin, can reduction this problem...cause, much member like me want to reply the thread but he can't....
anyway...thanks before for any respon....
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Let's be honest, making ten posts really isn't hard.
Unfortunately a lot of people seem to get their ten posts by complaining that they have to get ten posts in the first place.
Dave
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Okizhaa said:
Baaaad ...
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All your posts up to now are useless, and doesn't contribute to the forums at all. Mostly just a few words answering the, what is your first phone, forum or something like that.
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First of all, wrong section for this type of topic. Secondly, this rule is in place for a number of good reasons and likely will remain, so complaining isn't go to get anyone anywhere. Finally, cheap attempts to increase one's post count beyond 10 (ie. spam) will result in those posts being deleted and a warning being issued. Thread closed.